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Post by Jo90 on Nov 14, 2006 14:04:32 GMT
A membership fee would kill off the forum. It's just not done in the internet world (except various work related ones). Some forums have a paypal account that you can donate funds to voluntarily. I think that's the way to go. However forums 10 times the size of this one are lucky to get a few grand. Maybe when you donate funds, you can leave your username and then these get listed so you know who's contributing and who's not.
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Post by BIGMAC on Nov 14, 2006 14:33:55 GMT
A membership fee would kill off the forum. It's just not done in the internet world (except various work related ones). Some forums have a paypal account that you can donate funds to voluntarily. I think that's the way to go. However forums 10 times the size of this one are lucky to get a few grand. Maybe when you donate funds, you can leave your username and then these get listed so you know who's contributing and who's not. agreed,when it comes to parting with money u c the majority of people jump ship
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Post by BIGMAC on Nov 14, 2006 15:15:42 GMT
anyone know if maurice is ok,was he kept in hopital over night. Former Kerry star Maurice Fitzgerald has been released from hospital after being knocked unconscious during Sunday’s county football final. The gifted forward was knocked out in a freak collision with his South Kerry team captain Paul O’Connor during their one-point victory over Dr Croke’s. “It was a pure accident,” O’Connor said. “And to make it worse I came to the game with Maurice, and he was giving me advice all the way up from Cahirciveen on how to concentrate on my own game and enjoy the occasion. Then what happens as thanks – I
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 14, 2006 15:23:43 GMT
thats the sad reality bigmac,people want top notch service but dont want to pay for it. I've encountered that most days for the last 15 years running my own business,its fine once the service is top class,as with the case with the last admin,and sun shines out of ur rear but dont talk about money or increasing the fee to enhance or improve the service.
i deal with people from around the country who are very successfull in their line of business but some of them tell me that they dont bother going to the local gaa clubs agm anymore because theirs always the lads at the back who dont want change or improvement and tear the arse out of progress.
as regards the forum no one is suggesting that membership be complusory or forced but have different levels of voluntary contributions for those interested indexed to the right to buy an all-ireland final ticket.its not rocket science.
no one should be excluded from viewing or posting because they choose not to contribute.
theres also scope to bring in non forum members,people who travel the lenght and breath of the county winter and summer supporting kerry teams as financial contributers to the forum creating a loyalty type supports group with the right to buy an all-ireland ticket.
these names of people could easily be removed from club distribution schemes thus not impinging on ticket supplies.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 14, 2006 15:27:39 GMT
anyone know if maurice is ok,was he kept in hopital over night. Former Kerry star Maurice Fitzgerald has been released from hospital after being knocked unconscious during Sunday’s county football final. The gifted forward was knocked out in a freak collision with his South Kerry team captain Paul O’Connor during their one-point victory over Dr Croke’s. “It was a pure accident,” O’Connor said. “And to make it worse I came to the game with Maurice, and he was giving me advice all the way up from Cahirciveen on how to concentrate on my own game and enjoy the occasion. Then what happens as thanks – I cheers bigmac.
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Post by homerj on Nov 14, 2006 17:19:16 GMT
7 pages and still no nearer a solution!!! we need feedback from admin!
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Post by RashersTierney on Nov 14, 2006 17:51:45 GMT
only suggestions rashers!! its quite clear that the county board may be a small worried about wat is said here. at least if stricter guidelines are put in place, then this can stay open. its a big big responsibility for only one person. i dont think its possible really. and the €100 is a no go, you will see the same 4 or 5 people on it all day and thats it. it has to remain amateur. As one of the representatives of the ethnic minorities on here, I can state that I find myself in agreement with those points homerj. As Saint Larkin himself would have held forth, "I do declare" sez he, "that I believe it is the incontrovertible responsibility......of the wealthy hosts amongst this community.....to finance the essential needs of the poorer guests...ad totum factorum (et expensis) Deus...." (except for dirty, skiving students ) And I couldnt have speachified it better meself!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Nov 14, 2006 18:17:14 GMT
There have been enough offers of people willing to act as moderators in the past few days to see the forum, and indeed the website survive. If I'm not mistaken, there were more than one moderator before but that all fell back on one man, so a strong team would be needed, which I believe is there.
However, I suspect there are other things at play, and we'll have to wait a few days to get those things sorted.
In the meantime, let's talk football and hurling. This is what the forum is for.
Surely to God somebody out there is itching to give us an update on our favourite North Kerry championship?
(Stacks runs for cover).
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 14, 2006 18:46:17 GMT
There have been enough offers of people willing to act as moderators in the past few days to see the forum, and indeed the website survive. If I'm not mistaken, there were more than one moderator before but that all fell back on one man, so a strong team would be needed, which I believe is there. However, I suspect there are other things at play, and we'll have to wait a few days to get those things sorted. In the meantime, let's talk football and hurling. This is what the forum is for. Surely to God somebody out there is itching to give us an update on our favourite North Kerry championship? (Stacks runs for cover). in time to come,to quote a highly successfull former kerry manager,maybe this time over the last 6 or 7 weeks will become known in kerry gaa forum folklore as our own "ropey period".just like the recent munster campain,and sorted out behing the scenes. ;D
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 14, 2006 22:25:44 GMT
I know that this thread is to discuss the forum but.................. I cant resist saying this...........werent Ardfert brilliant on Sunday last. Also......... was it just me or was the first match a higher quality match than the senior game.
As regards the forum................... I have a feeling that the Kerry GAA establishment want the forum to die away.......... hope I am wrong. Who knows what hassle was caused in the camp by some of the stuff written here over the past year. Did it hasten Jacks departure?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 15, 2006 0:01:48 GMT
i dont know mickmack,i think thats taking it a bit too far to be honest.Jacks lives in one of the most beautiful places in the world,right at the waters edge where the sun sets every evening over the skellig rock back in ballinskelligs.Its hard to be away from places like that when you call it home and have a young family and wife who's lives you have put on hold to indulge your own dreams of leading the kindom to the holy grail.Jack has been involved in 15 all-ireland finals with various kerry teams winning 12 of them over a 15 year period of continious service.Its a 120 mile return journey by car over poorish roads from back in the glen,his home, to tralee or killarney to train the team numerous nights per week,throw in weekend games and the man is never at home.How do you calculate the infinite number of hours thinking about games and the team churning continiously in your head. Jack has indicated that he wanted to spend more time with his and family and enjoy the company more of his young sons.He has stated his last remaining ambition in football is to lead the school in caherciveen to the senior colleges all-ireland title.The three in a row senior clubs finals won by south kerry is testament to his brillance on the side line training young players.Its no secret in south kerry that jack had apllied for his full time teaching time table back long before the all-ireland was won.He has also stated that he would not rule out the kerry job again the future,thats good enough for me.life moves on. My own personal opinion,what would be so wrong with jacks wages and pension contributions being taken up by the kerry county board with a grant from croker to allow him to continue in his role as kerry manager on a career break.what would be wrong with mike mc carthy being entitled to a tax exemption to cover lost earnings and componsate time taken up.Mike and Jack will become the norm in the future unless something is done. Blaming the forum is too simplistic and is insulting to jacks inteligence.From what i can remember anything on the forum over the summer was from people calling it as they saw it,most were proven right in the end.If the county board wanted this forum to die,they wouldnt haven given us access to this thread looking for our opinions,sometimes we can take ourselves too serious.Admin was another person burned to bone because of the demands put on his time and energy. Admin,the county board and jack are bigger than that.
ps.you have to experince the south kerry sun setting over the blaskets or the skellig,some of us live for those summer evening.Each is better than the previous sunset.
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Post by kerryman99 on Nov 15, 2006 0:22:08 GMT
i dont know mickmack,i think thats taking it a bit too far to be honest.Jacks lives in one of the most beautiful places in the world,right at the waters edge where the sun sets every evening over the skellig rock back in ballinskelligs.Its hard to be away from places like that when you call it home and have a young family and wife who's lives you have put on hold to indulge your own dreams of leading the kindom to the holy grail.Jack has been involved in 15 all-ireland finals with various kerry teams winning 12 of them over a 15 year period of continious service.Its a 120 mile return journey by car over poorish roads from back in the glen,his home, to tralee or killarney to train the team numerous nights per week,throw in weekend games and the man is never at home.How do you calculate the infinite number of hours thinking about games and the team churning continiously in your head. Jack has indicated that he wanted to spend more time with his and family and enjoy the company more of his young sons.He has stated his last remaining ambition in football is to lead the school in caherciveen to the senior colleges all-ireland title.The three in a row senior clubs finals won by south kerry is testament to his brillance on the side line training young players.Its no secret in south kerry that jack had apllied for his full time teaching time table back long before the all-ireland was won.He has also stated that he would not rule out the kerry job again the future,thats good enough for me.life moves on. My own personal opinion,what would be so wrong with jacks wages and pension contributions being taken up by the kerry county board with a grant from croker to allow him to continue in his role as kerry manager on a career break.what would be wrong with mike mc carthy being entitled to a tax exemption to cover lost earnings and componsate time taken up.Mike and Jack will become the norm in the future unless something is done. Blaming the forum is too simplistic and is insulting to jacks inteligence.From what i can remember anything on the forum over the summer was from people calling it as they saw it,most were proven right in the end.If the county board wanted this forum to die,they wouldnt haven given us access to this thread looking for our opinions,sometimes we can take ourselves too serious.Admin was another person burned to bone because of the demands put on his time and energy. Admin,the county board and jack are bigger than that. ps.you have to experince the south kerry sun setting over the blaskets or the skellig,some of us live for those summer evening.Each is better than the previous sunset. good post KG, too easy to blame the forum. sure most countys in the country have a forum goin(not as good as this though!!) on a separate note, was talkin to paul, he has gutted about what happened. still they won anyway.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2006 9:24:35 GMT
Great post Kerrygold. Methinks you are right.
Now.......... what about Ardfert!
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Post by seamus on Nov 15, 2006 9:54:25 GMT
Am i right in saying that Ardfert have gone frmo division 5 straight up to probably division 1 and have not lost a championship game in over 2 years. That is truly phenomenal and while they will struggle in the senior grade they are probably as good if not better than legion, milltown, rathmore, kilcummin etc.
On that note it is probably time to rethink the county championship format. You have clubs that peaked and are on the way down like milltown, legion ,mitchels, kilcummin etc still playing senior. The divisional teams are really struggling. West Kerry is now only lispole, castlegregory and annascaul. Brendans are only churchill, na gaeil and st pats and the 2 north kerry teams are still brutal (had to get that in to keep up my anti north kerry stance!).
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 15, 2006 10:19:25 GMT
ya your right seamus,they have come all the way from div.5,some achievement,fair play to them.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 15, 2006 10:23:17 GMT
Great post Kerrygold. Methinks you are right. Now.......... what about Ardfert! jack would have been more hurt(influenced) by what happened in cork in the munster replayed final when declan was subbed more than anything that was discussed on the forum during the summer.The same vibes were coming off the streets also.
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Post by BIGMAC on Nov 15, 2006 11:53:05 GMT
thats the sad reality bigmac,people want top notch service but dont want to pay for it. I've encountered that most days for the last 15 years running my own business,its fine once the service is top class,as with the case with the last admin,and sun shines out of ur rear but dont talk about money or increasing the fee to enhance or improve the service. sad but true,i also run my own buisness and know all to well what the public are like when it comes to money,they have champange taste and tap water pockets any thing to help ;D
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Post by 2bfrank on Nov 15, 2006 12:01:19 GMT
Well done to Ardfert, there were alot of doubters at the start of the year but they proved them all wrong, St Brendans V Ardfert in next yrs senior championship would be an interesting fixture should it happen.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2006 12:06:30 GMT
Heres another idea.............
1 Admin disables all passwords and the system then allocates a password which only admin knows.
2 On receipt of a payment of €50...........€100 whatever......... admin will release the new password to each member on the forum
3 At the end of the year say - December 2007...... Admin disables as existing passwords again and the same process starts again.
This should generate a good few bob to employ a fulltime resourse.
Whay do ye think?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 15, 2006 12:17:40 GMT
i would be in agreement with the concept.
how do you insure the password stays among the paid members(leaks)
members who choose not to pay membership are then excluded from a public forum,that wouldn't be fair.
i think one paid person to run the forum would ensure its survival as apposed to 5 moderates with five different agendas and opinions.
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Post by seamus on Nov 15, 2006 12:23:26 GMT
C'mon Admin. Where are you? We are not going away you know!!!
All together now. 'We shall not, we shall not be moved. We shall not, we shall not be moved......' !!!
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 15, 2006 12:27:23 GMT
C'mon Admin. Where are you? We are not going away you know!!! All together now. 'We shall not, we shall not be moved. We shall not, we shall not be moved......' !!! woossh,wooossh,eaaassy up,wooossh,back up back up. ;D
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Post by austinstacksabu on Nov 15, 2006 14:42:34 GMT
First proper day back from Bettys (Lindsay Lohan was asking for you FatTom) and I'm itching to talk football.
Any thoughts on Kieran Donaghy getting player of the year. I've absolutely no complaints at all. If you look at his form throughout the league - he may not have given diamond performances but he was extremely solid and apart from one or two rash moments earlier in the year (yellow and red cards during the league) and one or two mis timed passes, he worked incredibly hard on the pitch and was nearly our most earnest player along with Paul Galvin and Daragh O'Se. The championship has been written to death at this stage and he was the pivotal player who made it all come together for Jack.
Any other thoughts out there?
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Post by tango on Nov 15, 2006 15:14:13 GMT
Yeah I agree Stacks
Donaghy did not just play four good games this year as some are implying.
After Dara he was one of the best performers in the league and he also held his own the first day against Cork.
Also its a joke that Galvin was not on GPA team of the year.
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Post by Jo90 on Nov 15, 2006 15:22:49 GMT
By the way, what did people think of Jack's interview after he stepped down? Did his revelation of Galvin and Guiney's fight during a training game as well as repeating verbatim two of Tom O'Sullivan's text messages to him break the unwritten rule?
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Post by seamus on Nov 15, 2006 15:33:32 GMT
I heard about the article Jo90 but i would love to see it if you have it?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2006 15:34:10 GMT
I thought that that interview with Jack by Tom Humphreys was a great insightful article.......... nothing in it that wouldnt appear in a book that I hope he will wrtite some day........ His man management skills were sublime.
A fews days ago ( a wet day actually) I watched the 2004 league final between Kerry and Galway. Kerry were fragile having lost in 2001, 2002 and 2003 in big games in croke Park.
What was fascinating was watching Aidan o Mahony and Paul Galvin in the spring of 2004...... both of them bit players, low in confidence and both substituted. Jack saw something in them in by 2006 either of them could have been player of the year if it werent for another piece of genius ........ the placing of Donaghy at full forwrd.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 15, 2006 15:46:25 GMT
donaghy at full was indeed a master stroke by jack,but a question for ye,but for daragh o se's performance against armagh in the second half where he grabbed the season,the kerry team,the armagh team and the kerry faithfull by the scruff of the neck and relentlessly drove forward would keiran donaghys season and experiment not have petered out?.
not taking away fron keiran,whom i think is a fanstastic guy,daraagh o se for me over the full course of the season was the outstanding player in the championship and league this year.
ps.congrats to keiran on his award in his rookie year,a new kerry gem is being formed.
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Post by An Fod Mona on Nov 15, 2006 16:48:22 GMT
I think the contribution of Sean O'Sullivan has been very much under estimated. For me he made a huge difference once he was introduced.
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Post by homerj on Nov 15, 2006 17:19:19 GMT
whats this about tom sul and tesxts then???
and by the way, NO PAY FOR THE FORUM, it just will not work!! you will get about 1o who will pay and thats it. another admin, with stricter guidelines, should interest the county board.
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