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Post by austinstacksabu on Nov 13, 2006 12:50:57 GMT
Very sad to hear it yesterday, he provided me with some great memories when I listed to himself and Weeshie from far away commentate on the All Ireland final last September.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Nov 13, 2006 12:54:31 GMT
Let' stay here for a while. How will most people find their way to any new forum? People find it because they wander onto the county board website. It's essential that any forum remain part of the county board website and not have a free for all one like hoganstand.com (chronic stuff on there, and that's run by Lynn Communications that have a fleet of people working for them).
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2006 13:00:25 GMT
fully agree stacks,time to batten the hatches and sit tight till admin and the county board get things up and running again.give them space.
a forum run outside the county boards censorship and influence wont survive and grow into what this forum has become.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2006 13:05:58 GMT
Very sad to hear it yesterday, he provided me with some great memories when I listed to himself and Weeshie from far away commentate on the All Ireland final last September. liam wasn't well around the time of the all-ireland final but battled on and displayed the bravery which drove him on to win back to back all-ireland senior championships with kerry in'69,'70 at fullforward. someone described him in yesterdays papers as the origional kieran donaghy,a target man at full with the instruction to win ball and let it off.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2006 13:18:38 GMT
anyone know if maurice is ok,was he kept in hopital over night.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Nov 13, 2006 13:36:11 GMT
Heartfeld condolences to Liams family. I had Liam as a teacher many years ago and found him to be tough but fair - attributes he also held to while commentating..
With regards the website. I would to thank the old administrator for all the hard work and dedication he put in....it cannot be easy having to labour through posts for many hours each day and remove some of crap we'd all be talking...lets hope the web-site continues in its current vein! I myself would be more than willing to pay a small subscription to join the forum if needs be!
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Post by kerryman on Nov 13, 2006 13:40:00 GMT
Condolences to Liam Higgins' friends and family. A true Kerry sportsman. His commentary kept me sane during a year away in 2004.
As for the forum: Yer man starting the other forum already is jumping the gun as the same thing will happen there, or worse. While the admin has edited posts here n' there, the forum has remained outstanding and a great source of insider info! If the forum does get canned, I'd like to thank admin for doing a sterling job over the years.
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Post by lostinmayo on Nov 13, 2006 14:25:48 GMT
just use the new forum for the moment, you can't go discussing everything here in this thread, Admin posted last Thursday and hasn't been seen since, I PMed him but have no reply, we could be waiting another month for him\her to come back, just use the other site for the moment
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2006 14:29:56 GMT
just use the new forum for the moment, you can't go discussing everything here in this thread, Admin posted last Thursday and hasn't been seen since, I PMed him but have no reply, we could be waiting another month for him\her to come back, just use the other site for the moment take a wee look 8 posts back up this thread lostinmayo like a good man/woman
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Post by scooter on Nov 13, 2006 15:09:09 GMT
just wondering why i cant seem to reply to alot of the threads on the forum...really annoyin
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Post by PatSpillane on Nov 13, 2006 17:20:01 GMT
I also agree with the previous threads regarding the continuation of the forum. Hopefully the Co. Board will be able to get somebody to take over the mantel. This has been a brilliant forum for sources of knowledge and info. Think of all the enjoyment and info the Kerry people living out of the county and overseas in particular get from this forum. A lot of people wouldn't have a clue about what's going on in Kerry football circles without this forum. I myself have moved to London for the year and have found the forum brilliant. Hopefully if people do jump ship to the other forum, they will return when this forum is fully operational again. Maybe an on-line petition could be started to show our support for the maintaining of the forum. If the Co. Board sees that there's big support and interest in the forum, this could convince them to put a new administrator and some financial backing in place.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 13, 2006 18:05:30 GMT
there wouldnt be need for a fulltime moderator if everyone played ball and kept the vitriol about certain players/managers out.
We are anonymous and that carries certain responsibilities..........
I wil say it again........... until the players are paid ................ we owe them everything and they owe us nothing.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Nov 13, 2006 18:20:24 GMT
Hello everybody.
I am a computer professional and am more than willing to help maintain the website if the county board wish to discontinue it. Also in regard t the forum I was wondering if i could assemble a list of people interested in being moderators so that i can pass it on to the Admin and maybe draw up a short list of candidates and facilitate a change over in personell as soon as possible to get this site going again. Anyone wanting to be placed on this list plese pm me
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Post by Jo90 on Nov 13, 2006 18:34:10 GMT
just wondering why i cant seem to reply to alot of the threads on the forum...really annoyin Lots of people are coming into this thread here asking similiar questions. If ye read the whole thread ye'd know ye lazy beggars! The former admin has left so they've nobody left to moderate the forum which is why only this one thread remains unlocked. This means that the way it's looking now, the forum will be no more and the website will not get updated. I hope it's not the end but if it is, fair play to the County Board for setting it up in the first place. The website was the best County GAA website in Ireland by a mile and the forum was excellent as well. The previous moderator did a great job in the forum and the website. The amount of info in the website is unreal - from County league tables getting updated to all Kerry's intercounty teams results (with teams and scorers for the senior team) for the last 8 years as well as all County championship results and a lot lot more. The 4 All-Ireland tickets given out over the last 2 years was extremely generous as well. On the bright side my productivity will surely go up if it ceases to exist. Maybe it's the ideal time to bring it down - after that All-Ireland display we've finally got nothing to criticise about!!!!! Someday a song will be written about the forum and it's characters.
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Post by Jo90 on Nov 13, 2006 18:39:13 GMT
Hello everybody. I am a computer professional and am more than willing to help maintain the website if the county board wish to discontinue it. Also in regard t the forum I was wondering if i could assemble a list of people interested in being moderators so that i can pass it on to the Admin and maybe draw up a short list of candidates and facilitate a change over in personell as soon as possible to get this site going again. Anyone wanting to be placed on this list plese pm me I wouldn't mind helping with updating information on the website either.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2006 20:01:59 GMT
Hello everybody. I am a computer professional and am more than willing to help maintain the website if the county board wish to discontinue it. Also in regard t the forum I was wondering if i could assemble a list of people interested in being moderators so that i can pass it on to the Admin and maybe draw up a short list of candidates and facilitate a change over in personell as soon as possible to get this site going again. Anyone wanting to be placed on this list plese pm me theres a good offer admin,surely it would be worth making contact with this poster and seeing what can be done.
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Post by falveyb2k on Nov 13, 2006 20:58:03 GMT
hopefully this place will survive however i'm registered on the new place just in case! Condolonces to the Higgins family and congrats to South Kerry.
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Post by homerj on Nov 13, 2006 21:53:16 GMT
May Laim Higgins rest in peace. A true true great, who, when i think about it, battled through illness this year to provoid us with a brillaint commentary of the all ireland final. He will be sadly missed.
Now, as regards the forum, ill give my opinion. it needs to stay open, full stop.every county has one and it needs to be official like this one. the site itself is integral to the game these days and that also needs to be left as it is. we are the all ireland champions and not to have our own site, is seriously bad.
here is what i suggest, some of these may help the issue -
* its clear that admin does not have the time anymore, so leave him slip off into the sunset and leave others step forward. i feel that we should establish a team of 5 people, to moderate the forum on a daily basis and also update the mainsite itself, say 3 or 4 times a week.
* these people should be the 5 people that spend the most time on here and who know how it works, i can think of certain people already.
* this group will meet the county board and all issues are discussed, passwords are handed over by the current admin and these 5 people all have equal rights to moderating.
* a new forum charter is drawn up, with stricter guidelines. this way and with 5 moderators instead of 1, the topics can be screened more effeciantly.
* people are going to take the piss and slag off. to counter act this, bannings could become harder.
* the previous admin asked for people to put in their real names. im against this as it adds to the whole forum issue, but certainly, guidelines could be out in place where applications to join the forum are rejected unless the email address are actually proper ones - i.e. persons work address/college etc rather than say kerrygaafan @hotmail.com for example.
* the new team could go through all the existing members and email them, letting them know that their current membership will be deleted(easily done with proboards) unless their details are confirmed. This way, they either make themselfves known to the admins or have to create new accounts.
* the group of 5 should be rewarded for this. an agreement for this would be say the option to buy a stand ticket from the county board for kerry matches(includeing all ireland final) etc. Not doing to job correctly would result in not being able to apply for any tickets through clubs.
* updating the site itself is basic, but time consuming. would look good on a cv though.
* this works on boards.ie, anybody wondering what way that is run, give it a look. 100's of admins on there, nearly 60,000 users.
other suggestions -
* lock all the current threads and start afresh - * create sub forums, with various rights for posting -
serious forums and full rights(start threads, apply to all etc) - say to people with 250 posts on the forum at the moment middle forums and basic rights(just reply to threads) - people with 75-250 posts at the moment low rights(able to post on low forums only) - people under 75 posts on current forum
to move up the ladder, you have to apply to do so, not just post rubbish, so when you hit 75 posts, you apply to move. 2 people on the middle forum can then recommend you and you are given access to that. the same then applies to the high forum. this works on alot of sites.
alot of work involved in this, but something drastic needs to be done, suggestions please.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 13, 2006 22:14:25 GMT
As Brendan Behan said............. the first thing on the agenda of the 5 person committeeeee will be the split.............
Why not pay someone to do it (be the moderator)............... are people willing to pay €100 per annum?
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Post by RashersTierney on Nov 13, 2006 22:42:59 GMT
May Laim Higgins rest in peace. A true true great, who, when i think about it, battled through illness this year to provoid us with a brillaint commentary of the all ireland final. He will be sadly missed. Now, as regards the forum, ill give my opinion. it needs to stay open, full stop.every county has one and it needs to be official like this one. the site itself is integral to the game these days and that also needs to be left as it is. we are the all ireland champions and not to have our own site, is seriously bad. here is what i suggest, some of these may help the issue - * its clear that admin does not have the time anymore, so leave him slip off into the sunset and leave others step forward. i feel that we should establish a team of 5 people, to moderate the forum on a daily basis and also update the mainsite itself, say 3 or 4 times a week. * these people should be the 5 people that spend the most time on here and who know how it works, i can think of certain people already. * this group will meet the county board and all issues are discussed, passwords are handed over by the current admin and these 5 people all have equal rights to moderating. * a new forum charter is drawn up, with stricter guidelines. this way and with 5 moderators instead of 1, the topics can be screened more effeciantly. * people are going to take the piss and slag off. to counter act this, bannings could become harder. * the previous admin asked for people to put in their real names. im against this as it adds to the whole forum issue, but certainly, guidelines could be out in place where applications to join the forum are rejected unless the email address are actually proper ones - i.e. persons work address/college etc rather than say kerrygaafan @hotmail.com for example. * the new team could go through all the existing members and email them, letting them know that their current membership will be deleted(easily done with proboards) unless their details are confirmed. This way, they either make themselfves known to the admins or have to create new accounts. * the group of 5 should be rewarded for this. an agreement for this would be say the option to buy a stand ticket from the county board for kerry matches(includeing all ireland final) etc. Not doing to job correctly would result in not being able to apply for any tickets through clubs. * updating the site itself is basic, but time consuming. would look good on a cv though. * this works on boards.ie, anybody wondering what way that is run, give it a look. 100's of admins on there, nearly 60,000 users. other suggestions - * lock all the current threads and start afresh - * create sub forums, with various rights for posting - serious forums and full rights(start threads, apply to all etc) - say to people with 250 posts on the forum at the moment middle forums and basic rights(just reply to threads) - people with 75-250 posts at the moment low rights(able to post on low forums only) - people under 75 posts on current forum to move up the ladder, you have to apply to do so, not just post rubbish, so when you hit 75 posts, you apply to move. 2 people on the middle forum can then recommend you and you are given access to that. the same then applies to the high forum. this works on alot of sites. alot of work involved in this, but something drastic needs to be done, suggestions please. Holy Jaysus (so ban me!), are you by any chance in the union? Some good ideas there, but alot of over-complication/admin & OTT "control" type stuff me-fears. It seemed that the admin up to now was pretty much very fair & balanced. With a good forum/plenty of good users, trouble-makers are usually kept in order anyway, by the example/influence/censure of the more responsible users. Yis wont have much to talk about next year in anyway - it'll be blue & navy all the way........ I think yis need a representative of the ethnic minorities to keep the fascists from persecuting us!
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 14, 2006 0:31:33 GMT
As Brendan Behan said............. the first thing on the agenda of the 5 person committeeeee will be the per ansplit............. Why not pay someone to do it (be the moderator)............... are people willing to pay €100 per annum? i'd be in agreement here with mickmack, i feel one person to run the forum and the site replacing the last admin could drive this forum and web site onto to new levels of excellance. i think gathering membership to pay a full time post would be the way to go on this one,if a proper supporters club could be formed inconjuction with the forum why not sponsor the kerry minor team,ie.one paid person controlled by the county board running the web site,the forum and the supporters club. I think the logo,"kerry gaa forum" on the kerry minor jersey would drive this brillant forum onto a new level. i'd be quiet happy to contribute a 100 euro per annum,2 euro a week,a can of coke and two bags of kingcrisps ffs. look at the membership,30 members have joined this forum since admin put it back online a few days ago,that big interest and its not even operating properly at the moment. people are joining quicker than turkeys are being fattened for christmas at the moment. theres a huge oppurtunity here to do something special here with this forum. reach out and grasp it.
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Post by thehighfield on Nov 14, 2006 7:49:09 GMT
With regards to the 100 Euro being touted by all the rich folk, I hope there is a student rate as I got bank loans to juggle.
I know someone from the county board is monitoring this thread so if they are looking at going down the road of the members of the forum subsidising the costs of the forum and website maybe they could open a vote to the forum to see how much members are willing to pay (have different bands e.g. Not Willing To Pay, 5-15, 15-25 etc. etc)
Phew! That's one more post towards 75 in case homerj every takes over the asylum, at this rate I should get there in time for the 2008 All-Ireland ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by homerj on Nov 14, 2006 8:28:44 GMT
only suggestions rashers!! its quite clear that the county board may be a small worried about wat is said here. at least if stricter guidelines are put in place, then this can stay open. its a big big responsibility for only one person. i dont think its possible really.
and the €100 is a no go, you will see the same 4 or 5 people on it all day and thats it. it has to remain amateur.
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Post by thehighfield on Nov 14, 2006 9:13:06 GMT
That's the spirit homerj - tow the official GAA line ;D
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Post by BIGMAC on Nov 14, 2006 10:22:25 GMT
there are approx 2004 members on this site surely we can get 5 of those 2 b mods
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Post by seamus on Nov 14, 2006 10:26:50 GMT
Sorry BigMac but i don't think you will get a job as a moderator. Sure you must know we never give the manager's job outside the county in Kerry!!!!
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Post by Owenabue on Nov 14, 2006 10:39:15 GMT
From my experience on Rebelgaa, which is run voluntary and gets fund from donations and from merchandise. But it is a lot of hard work for the admin. Also it works out about maybe three or four moderators for each section, depending on the popularity. If the forum here stayed the same I would imagine you would need at lease five for just the football. The extra numbers covers things like holidays etc. Also you computer expert might be able to answer this, I think it is possible to delay posts from some people, people who may have been reported previously but nothing serious enough to ban them, but if left to their own devises could cause trouble. But moderators should be warned, this type of people aren’t the nicest to deal with a lot of the time. A proper set of rules need to be drawn up so that at least moderators can point out exactly why the post has been edited or deleted.
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Post by seamus on Nov 14, 2006 11:05:18 GMT
To me it is quite simple. 500 people at €20 sub/annum = €10,000. This gives you the right to post on the forum although others can still view the site but not post. It would also give you the right to enter competitions for AI tickets etc Surely we could generate another €5-10,000 from advertisements, committment from members to buys from people who advertise on the site I am sure as well that the county board would be happy to pay something towards upkeeping the site. We could then pay someone to look after the site with the help of a couple of moderators. I like the idea of delaying posts from certain individuals/ new members. Paying €20 for the right to post would reduce the vast, vast majority of posts that have to be removed. That is until the likes of myself get over excited on the monday morning after a game!
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Post by BIGMAC on Nov 14, 2006 11:26:08 GMT
Sorry BigMac but i don't think you will get a job as a moderator. Sure you must know we never give the manager's job outside the county in Kerry!!!! dont want 1 seamus,its all i can do to type ;D ;D
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Post by watchdahop on Nov 14, 2006 12:50:03 GMT
I would be willing to pay 50 a year or 100. In real terms that would work out at either a buck a week or two bucks a week. The site would be well worth that to me. Its not even the cost of a pint lads. I would agree with a members only forum as well. Look at all the hassle thats was caused when non members can just view what they want and then "carry stories". Having to pay focuses the mind. A similar editorial line as before would be good. Like a good ref I didnt always agree with it but you knew they were trying to do a good job and on an over all basis thats what happens. The editorial style also gave short shrift to kids/name callers etc. The editorial style also made sure that we had a good forum and we could get informed views from other counties from the likes of Big Mac and Dermot. I think its worth a few quid if you have a real interest in what goes on here. Backed up with sponsorship and maybe a few bob from the county board. Surely theres enough fellows in North Kerry alone who would be be willing to pay money to be able tell the rest of us that the North Kerry championship is bigger than the All Ireland! Maybe a pay per post would lead to less diverse views but I would imagine the fellows that come on and post here and agree/dissagree/slag each other might realise that it would be good value in comparison to rising ticket prices/ replica jersey costs etc. If this forum goes how often will the East Kerry men get the views of the West Kerry man and the Tralee man find out whats going on in Mid Kerry etc? Finally if this is the end I want to thank the Administrator on a job well done. It all feels like a funeral: but instead of the afterlife to look forward to all we have to look forward to is actually doing some real work !
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