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Post by kerryblueboy on Feb 12, 2024 21:10:33 GMT
I am disappointed that Michael Burns has left . He was a useful panel member. However , he can have few complaints about match opportunities., getting more chances than most but could never make himself indispensable. The harsh reality is that while Michael is a serious club player he was no more than a squad inter county member. I hope he doesn’t walk away feeling bitter because ,if he is honest with himself , he will surely realise being in with the top players in the county has , inevitably, raised his game. At 27, my wish is that he made this decision after careful reflection rather than in a fit of pique. I wish him well and thank him for his contribution. great post my thoughts exactly other players have passed him out so in the ruthless inter county gaa scene his days were numbered
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 12, 2024 22:04:48 GMT
Ok lads let's keep it to the proper football... Just scroll past if you don't want to read it
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Post by shannonsider on Feb 12, 2024 22:31:03 GMT
I think Burns sees himself rightly or wrongly as better than Dara Moynihan who has gone an abundance of faith placed in him through starting games and Burns hasn’t got half as much opportunity. That’s what it boils down to.
I don’t think Micheál has ever quite hit the heights as a Kerry senior player though despite his talent. I am surprised at him leaving panel though but we don’t know what personal situations might be impacting him.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Feb 12, 2024 22:48:26 GMT
Ok lads let's keep it to the proper football... Just scroll past if you don't want to read it I was joking. Relax.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 12, 2024 23:03:57 GMT
I think Burns sees himself rightly or wrongly as better than Dara Moynihan who has gone an abundance of faith placed in him through starting games and Burns hasn’t got half as much opportunity. That’s what it boils down to. I don’t think Micheál has ever quite hit the heights as a Kerry senior player though despite his talent. I am surprised at him leaving panel though but we don’t know what personal situations might be impacting him. Micheál got plenty of game time. He was hugely committed and worked very hard unfortunately though the issue for me was his inconsistency infront of goals. I'd imagine tracking up too Monaghan and seeing no game time when you feel you should can be very frustrating. I hope he doesn't regret his decision because playing for Kerry is a privilege and one that doesn't happen for most of us.
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Post by kerrysouth on Feb 13, 2024 0:40:30 GMT
Maybe it’s the south Kerry connections but I always felt that Michael Burns was much maligned on this forum from the usual suspects but he contributed handsomely especially off the bench in the 22 final and who will ever forget his block in last years final had Kerry won it would have been talked about for years hope Jack does not get caught up in this new is better hysteria and get caught with a lack of experience off the bench later in the year especially if we pick up a few injuries I am not a bit convinced of the ability and hype attached to some of the new players introduced but hopefully I am wrong .Yes Burns had among others a poor 30 mins v Derry following an excellent display v cork a week earlier but what about the many poor displays by other players that seem to get a free pass in the media and especially on this forum .I admit Burns was no longer a contender to start but I do think we will miss his dynamic impact off the bench and the energy he brought when defences were tiring.first hiccup by jack this year hopefully he won’t regret it
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Post by blacksheep21 on Feb 13, 2024 5:01:02 GMT
Burns is a loss and his departure weakens the panel.
It is easy for those of us who were never good enough to play for Kerry to speak about the honour and privilege but the reality of putting your life on hold and not get the rewards of playing is difficult to justify. I can understand his frustrations and he probably feels like he has been unfairly scapegoated. Also he is entitled to believe he is a much better player than at least two players who played against Monaghan who to be honest are quite lucky to be on the panel in reality.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 13, 2024 8:41:59 GMT
Burns is a loss and his departure weakens the panel. It is easy for those of us who were never good enough to play for Kerry to speak about the honour and privilege but the reality of putting your life on hold and not get the rewards of playing is difficult to justify. I can understand his frustrations and he probably feels like he has been unfairly scapegoated. Also he is entitled to believe he is a much better player than at least two players who played against Monaghan who to be honest are quite lucky to be on the panel in reality. Care to elaborate
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Post by mike70 on Feb 13, 2024 9:10:50 GMT
Michael had a positive contribution in the past for sure and off the bench was where he best impacted games, more so when the games opened up.
A huge commitment to be involved in a club team today, 5x that for a county team, if not feeling your getting a fair shake, it’s hard to stay positive, all the best Michael.
Unfortunately the Mayo game will consume us from here on in. I am going with the tried and tested, Clifford’s in from the start, maybe Paudie held for second half, but rest of the team same as last day out, I think Morley be held as well. If it’s mayo team from last day out, we will win, if they have a few back like Ruane, DOC, Carr, it might get tight.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 13, 2024 9:14:46 GMT
The reality is and as most of use feared in 2023, Kerry were caught short in midfield and over dependent on too few in the forwards ultimately in 2023. The Kerry team were close to winning it all in 2023 but they were still an unbalanced side. Upgrades were and are badly needed, and on Kerry forwards they must carry a consistent scoring threat, consistently impact a game, and worry the oppositions management and defence. The Dublin setup was not a bit worried on facing Kerry’s forward unit as a whole in the All-Ireland final, we were so predictable and some pundits were openly dismissive of the supporting Kerry forward cast outside of the two Clifford’s and Sean O’Shea - they were right, and we all know it. Literally the shortcomings of some of our forwards was targeted in the AI final, just look back on the Dublin kick out strategy. I appreciate the huge effort and whole heartiness of our players but elite sport like life can be cruel. The Kerry management cannot be accused of not giving fellas plenty of chances, and it's great management are trying to unearth new threats and come with something different in 2024.
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Post by kot on Feb 13, 2024 12:04:08 GMT
Sad for him to feel like he was better off out of it. This isn't a lad who was plugging away for a Tailteann cup mainstay, Burn's has been in with Kerry team most of his life.
He was a player who excited many of the Crokes faithful when he was a young underage player, and this was at a time when Crokes were eating up Bishop Moynihan's like PSG eat up Ligue 1's at the time. So there is a tinge of sadness about it.
However, like many have said, he has been given the opportunities but hasn't grabbed them with both hands. There are other players from that golden underage era who also haven't really fully lived up to the billing. David & Seanie obviously have been unreal but others haven't hit the heights. others have done reasonable. Who does that fall on? Coaches & management surely have to take a level of responsibility for it too.
Wish M. Burns best of luck and thank him for his dedication. On to the Mayo Mob now on Saturday. A spot open for someone to force their way further into the reckoning!
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 13, 2024 12:25:25 GMT
Micheál has made vital contributions over the years and will be regarded as an honest, committed player. I wish him the best in his club career and everything else into the future.
His withdrawal has once again prompted a discussion about players. We have the players. The difference between 2022 when we won the All-Ireland, beating Dublin on the way and last year was the difference in Dublin's attitude. With the exception of David Moran the same players were available to Kerry. We didn't go into the final with an attitude to match Dublin's.
An example of how players are only as good as their instructions is Gavin White in the final. There are half backs playing every week in the county league that are far superior to Gavin at coming to a standstill and passing the ball backwards. That is alien to Gavin, yet it was what happened.
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Post by thepope on Feb 13, 2024 13:12:03 GMT
Looking forward to Saturday night.
Hope to see us build on the much improved performance in Clones. Given the lack of contests in Munster, the remaining league games give us our best opportunity to fine tune ahead of championship.
On kickouts, I'd hope to see a quicker change of tactic if we're losing our own long kickout. Vs. Derry we lost about 5/6 straight kickouts before changing approach. Shane Ryan has really settled into the keeper position in the last couple of years so no other worries there.
With fellas getting fitter now, hopefully we can better stay with runners and not put our FB line under as much pressure as we did vs. Derry. If Mayo get a plus1 on the run, we could cough up goal chances, it will be a good test in that regard given how Mayo like to play. All players in the middle third need to stay tuned in on this front.
Happy to see Tom Sullivan opening up his body when taking on scores this year. He's a Rolls Royce of a footballer but his conversion rate in knockout football was poor last year, the outside of the boot looks great when it comes off but it can be inaccurate.
Midfield again will be under scrutiny and is possibly where we're most exposed this year given the lack of options there. Hopefully Joe O'Connor can continue to gain experience here as he's our most likely partner for Diarmuid. If he can field ball and leave it off, defend the run/space in pocket, that would be more than enough. Also, who will come off the bench to help in midfield when we tire there, something we need to work on in advance of the summer.
The half forward line, most likely of Dara, Paudie, Cillian, is an area of the field where 2 places are up for grabs. Paudie is obviously nailed on and crucial to how we play. Both slots on the wings are there to be claimed and it will be especially interesting to see how Cillian does again. A contribution to the scoreboard is badly needed from this area of the pitch as it has been a weakness for us in recent years.
The FF line will probably consist of David, Seanie, Dylan.
I think a lot of posters wanted Seanie in closer to goal last year. He's so dangerous, opponents will have to screen him, can win his own ball over his head, and is one of the best finishers in the game. Taking him out of the middle third might help reduce his workload as he never knew when to stop tackling and often got dragged too deep into defence.
If Dylan is going to feature this season,I think it will be as an inside option as his game isn't suited to chasing wing backs down the field. He's a Geaney though so contributing to the scoreboard is what they do, when on form.
With Seanie inside, David can drift a bit away from goal, last year saw a big improvement in David's distance kicking and if I was to criticise the near-perfect player, I'd like to see him take on a few more shots off his weak side. In the final last year, a day the radar wasn't working, I though he turned out of 1 or 2 openings on his right side.
As regards Killian, I still think he's as gifted a corner option as we have but isn't suited to winter football. He has shown his quality vs top teams and still could be a key player for us in the summer. Every squad needs impact from the bench and Killian is as likely to impact in this way as anyone.
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Post by pillar on Feb 13, 2024 13:40:53 GMT
I know the time for experiments is probably gone but would a swapping of positions between Tom O Sullivan and Dara Moynihan work..I know Tom often played in the forwards for his school and maybe we are too harsh on Dara for his lack of scoring..he could so the same role from half back.
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Post by rovingfullforward on Feb 13, 2024 14:36:29 GMT
Ok lads let's keep it to the proper football... Just scroll past if you don't want to read it What a stupid comment
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Post by jrmanula on Feb 13, 2024 16:30:13 GMT
Kerry should win this, Mayo full back and Center half back both playing in Sigerson final on Wednesday night. Kerry need the points more.
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Post by greenandgold on Feb 13, 2024 18:29:40 GMT
Did I see in Jack’s recent comments that Killian Spillane is out injured? Hope I got that wrong as I do think he has the ability to be another scoring fwd for us but he seems to have been plagued with injury since mid of last yr. anyone know more- hope im not starting a rumour but i did think i heard him Mentioned in the injured lads
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Post by mossie on Feb 13, 2024 19:36:35 GMT
I think Burns sees himself rightly or wrongly as better than Dara Moynihan who has gone an abundance of faith placed in him through starting games and Burns hasn’t got half as much opportunity. That’s what it boils down to. I don’t think Micheál has ever quite hit the heights as a Kerry senior player though despite his talent. I am surprised at him leaving panel though but we don’t know what personal situations might be impacting him. I rate Dara a better player than Micheál Dara and Micheál are first cousins!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 13, 2024 21:06:36 GMT
Did I see in Jack’s recent comments that Killian Spillane is out injured? Hope I got that wrong as I do think he has the ability to be another scoring fwd for us but he seems to have been plagued with injury since mid of last yr. anyone know more- hope im not starting a rumour but i did think i heard him Mentioned in the injured lads Yes Spillane, Obeaghlaoich, Breen all out for Sat. Brosnan, Murphy, Okunbor all back.
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Post by shannonsider on Feb 13, 2024 22:56:38 GMT
I think Burns sees himself rightly or wrongly as better than Dara Moynihan who has gone an abundance of faith placed in him through starting games and Burns hasn’t got half as much opportunity. That’s what it boils down to. I don’t think Micheál has ever quite hit the heights as a Kerry senior player though despite his talent. I am surprised at him leaving panel though but we don’t know what personal situations might be impacting him. Micheál got plenty of game time. He was hugely committed and worked very hard unfortunately though the issue for me was his inconsistency infront of goals. I'd imagine tracking up too Monaghan and seeing no game time when you feel you should can be very frustrating. I hope he doesn't regret his decision because playing for Kerry is a privilege and one that doesn't happen for most of us. Game time and starting games or multiple consecutive games are a very different thing. I don’t recall Burns having much faith placed in him by being handed a starting berth in many league games even. Players of (in my view) lesser ability than him got a lot more faith put in them. Anyway, he’s out of the frame for now. So we just move on. This game Saturday is interesting and games with Mayo are usually keenly contested so I expect a good battle.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Feb 13, 2024 23:42:15 GMT
Just scroll past if you don't want to read it What a stupid comment Very sensitive.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 13, 2024 23:44:58 GMT
Like others I used the free weekend well. We'd had the month's mind mass for the mother in law, watched a lot of rugby and hurling and the brother in law was over. Waterford were in action against Clare so my new home was buzzing with excitement. Even here in West Waterford expectations are high though I haven't met anyone yet who thinks Waterford are going to win Liam anytime soon. I've been around the parish for a couple of years as the girlfriend is from here, so most people know I support Kerry. The postman even refers to me as the Kerryman up on the hill, as did the local FF canvasser this week. Managed to avoid watching any soccer, unlike sully, but like others I don't get why Irish people support English soccer anyway: watching a bunch of overpaid lads running around for 90 minutes in a sport where 0-0 is considered to be a good game. None of the players from that parish, most not even from the same county or the same country. Stadiums that are often not even in the same parish anymore, named after sponsors, with coaches and sponsors that have nothing to do with the area the club is supposed to represent. Supporters who are more interested in singing clever lyrics based on old disco hits than watching the game, and the constant threat of being attacked by rival supporters. I'll stick to rugby, hurling and football.
Back to the task at hand. Burns is a loss to the panel, mostly because of the experience. But he wasn't going to be a starter and with lots of other lads trying to break into the team, I think it no longer makes sense to put his life on hold, as modern day footballers do, for a spot on the panel and fewer and fewer selections. With Tony Brosnan back, Ronan Buckley, Dylan Geaney, Cillian Burke, Conor Geaney, Seán O’Shea, Dara Moynihan, Paudie Clifford, David Clifford, Killian Spillane, Adrian Spillane and Barry Dan O'Sullivan, Stephen O'Brien, Paul Geaney, Darragh Roche and probably more there are enough players to make that forward line. Burns doesn't exactly jump out as the best of those players and it must be frustrating putting so much into training, week in, week out, and not even getting selected or having to warm the bench. Crokes have some games to win and I'm sure he will devote all his time now to making the club win more games.
Mayo are tricky, they are playing well, bate Dublin in a very entertaining game, and this is a make or break year for McStay. Yet the same is still true as it always is: Mayo don't have enough forward power. Cillian O'Connor is not fully fit and getting a bit older, Conroy is not always having the impact he should, Ryan O'Donoghue is asked to help in defence and in scoring, and so on. In the first two games Mayo's attacks are all launched via their backs and trying to run the ball up to the goal mouth. They've tried the long ball to O'Shea, but I'm still not convinced of Aidan as a full forward. That means that if Kerry can stop Mayo running at us we can stop their scoring threat. Against Derry we were wide open, against Monaghan we were almost impossible to break down. What Kerry team will we see on the weekend? I'm expecting Kerry to go with the same team as v Monaghan, and hopefully the Cliffords and Morley again will be held in reserve. Morley is key for Kerry, but we need to learn how to defend without him as well. Diarmuid and Joe in the middle worked very well and I hope to see that being tried again. Joe O'Connor is fast becoming a huge asset to Kerry, and with Barry, O'Brien and Diarmuid also on the panel we are developing a very good panel with strength in depth. Add Okunbor and we have options. I would like to see Okunbor get a bit more gametime. Likewise in the backs. I thought Nagle did well in the McGrath cup games, but he hasn't even been on the panel for the league.
All in all, it will be a tough test on Saturday, and a late night coming home, but I feel confident Kerry can win this. 6 points should see Kerry safe in division 1
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 14, 2024 20:18:47 GMT
Can anyone make a case for a change to this selection?
1) S.Ryan 2) G.O'Sullivan 3) J.Foley 4) D.Casey 5) T.O'Sullivan 6) T.Morley 7) G.White 8) D.O'Connor 9) J.O'Connor 10) D.Moynihan 11) P.Clifford (c) 12) C.Burke 13) D.Clifford 14) S.O'Shea 15) D.Geaney
Can anyone see Stefen making an appearance to go toe to toe with Aidan O'Shea, the Mayo man has given Dylan Casey enough of it in the last two clashes.... I saying as this time last year, the Na Gaeil man was a late replacement before throw in against Armagh and was handed the task of nullifying Rían O'Neill.
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Post by kerrysouth on Feb 14, 2024 22:40:24 GMT
Interesting to hear Tony Griffin take on the Burns exit from the Kerry panel .He appears to have a great relationship with the players and has genuine concern for their well being .He rang Micheal and gave him some Brillant life tips .He is obviously a very well respected and popular part of the management and is prob the glue that keeps harmony and positivity throughout the squad interesting insight
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Post by thehermit on Feb 15, 2024 10:00:37 GMT
Interesting to hear Tony Griffin take on the Burns exit from the Kerry panel .He appears to have a great relationship with the players and has genuine concern for their well being .He rang Micheal and gave him some Brillant life tips .He is obviously a very well respected and popular part of the management and is prob the glue that keeps harmony and positivity throughout the squad interesting insight Yeah I've actually gotten to know Tony a little bit over the last couple of years and he really is an impressive individual and, of course, was a great servant to Clare hurling. As sound and positive as they come and its a positivity that's infectious. I think this is going to be his last year involved as he's moved to Kildare and is commuting up and down at present. On Burns departure look everyone has the right to decide what's best for themselves and their life. Playing for an outfit like Dr Crokes is a huge commitment in itself let alone the life on hold existence of being an inter county player for the likes of Kerry. You get to a certain age, it probably dawns on you that your chance to be a main stay of the team has passed, and why wouldn't you start thinking of having to put more into your career, putting yourself in a position to buy a home, maybe he wants a family etc. I'm sure if you look back on any era there were players who drifted away. I'm sure the older heads can think of lads who did the same during the Golden Years because they weren't getting a look in. One the one hand its not great to hear of players opting out, but looking at it another way maybe its a sign of just how fully stocked the panel is and some players, even though they are All Ireland winners, fearing they might not even make a bench come the summer. I wish Michael all the best and who's to say this is the last we will see of him anyway in the green and gold. In other news, Kerry are off to the Algarve again for an Easter training camp. Apparently they'll be using the same complex that the Irish rugby team does. Didn't realise they were the same place! www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41331169.html
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 16, 2024 19:05:34 GMT
Mayo Senior Football Team as Follows:
Colm Reape Knockmore Jack Coyne Ballyhaunis David McBrien Ballaghaderreen Donnacha McHugh Castlebar Mitchels Stephen Coen Hollymount Carramore Michael Plunkett Ballintubber Eoghan McLaughlin Westport Jack Carney Kilmeena Diarmuid O’Connor Ballintubber Bob Tuohy Castlebar Mitchels Fergal Boland Aghamore Jordan Flynn Crossmolina Deel Rovers Aidan O’Shea Breaffy Tommy Conroy (C) The Neale Ryan O’Donoghue Béal an Mhuirthead
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 16, 2024 19:44:11 GMT
Mayo Senior Football Team as Follows: Colm Reape Knockmore Jack Coyne Ballyhaunis David McBrien Ballaghaderreen Donnacha McHugh Castlebar Mitchels Stephen Coen Hollymount Carramore Michael Plunkett Ballintubber Eoghan McLaughlin Westport Jack Carney Kilmeena Diarmuid O’Connor Ballintubber Bob Tuohy Castlebar Mitchels Fergal Boland Aghamore Jordan Flynn Crossmolina Deel Rovers Aidan O’Shea Breaffy Tommy Conroy (C) The Neale Ryan O’Donoghue Béal an Mhuirthead Surprised not to see Paddy Durcan and Sam Callinan. Must be rested I'd imagine. Also had word Eoghan McLaughlin was injured, a quick recovery. I'd expect to see 2/3 changes before throw in.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 16, 2024 19:47:33 GMT
Mayo Senior Football Team as Follows: Colm Reape Knockmore Jack Coyne Ballyhaunis David McBrien Ballaghaderreen Donnacha McHugh Castlebar Mitchels Stephen Coen Hollymount Carramore Michael Plunkett Ballintubber Eoghan McLaughlin Westport Jack Carney Kilmeena Diarmuid O’Connor Ballintubber Bob Tuohy Castlebar Mitchels Fergal Boland Aghamore Jordan Flynn Crossmolina Deel Rovers Aidan O’Shea Breaffy Tommy Conroy (C) The Neale Ryan O’Donoghue Béal an Mhuirthead Surprised not to see Paddy Durcan and Sam Callinan. Must be rested I'd imagine. Also had word Eoghan McLaughlin was injured, a quick recovery. I'd expect to see 2/3 changes before throw in. Would have thought Aidan OShea was a last 15 minute man at this stage.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 16, 2024 20:01:20 GMT
Name (First & Surname) Club 1 (GK) Shane Ryan Seán Ó Riain Rath Mhór 2 Graham O’Sullivan Graeme Ó Súilleabháin Piarsaigh na Dromoda 3 Jason Foley Jason Ó Foghlú Baile Uí Donnachú 4 Dylan Casey Dylan Ó Cathasaigh Aibhistín de Staic 5 Tom O’Sullivan Tomás Ó Súilleabháin Daingean Uí Chúis 6 Tadhg Morley Tadhg Ó Muraile Teampall Nua 7 Gavin White Gabhin de Faoite Dr Crócaigh 8 Diarmuid O’Connor Diarmuid Ó Conchúir Na Gaeil 9 Joe O’Connor Seosamh Ó Conchúir Aibhistín de Staic 10 Paudie Clifford Pádraig Ó Clúmháin An Fhosadh 11 Dylan Geaney Dylan Ó Géibheannaigh Daingean Uí Chúis 12 Cillian Burke Cillian De Burca Baile an Mhuillin/Caisleán na Mainge 13 David Clifford Daithi Ó Clúmháin An Fhosadh 14 Seán O’Shea Seán Ó Sé An Neidín 15 Dara Moynihan Dara Ó Muineacháin Spa Cill Airne
Shane Murphy Seán Ó Murchú Dr Crócaigh Paul Murphy Pól Ó Murchú Rath Mhór Conor Geaney Conchúir Ó Géibheannaigh Daingean Uí Chúis Ronan Buckley Ronan Ó Buachalla Lios A’Troí Barry Dan O’Sullivan Barra Ó Súilleabháin Daingean Uí Chúis Seán O’Brien Sean Ó Briain Lios An Phúca Adrian Spillane Adrian Ó Spealáin Teampall Nua Armin Heinrich Armin Heinrich Aibhistín de Staic Tony Brosnan Antóin Ó Brosnacháin Dr Crócaigh Damien Bourke Damien De Búrca Na Gaeil Keith Evans Keith Ó hÉimhín Cill Paudie O Leary Pádraig Ó Laoire
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 16, 2024 20:09:27 GMT
Strong team,
Delighted to see Tom OSullivan at 5.
Glad Dylan Geaney is getting another run out.
I was at both Mayo games last year and they weren't fun.
I hope Kerry repay that with a bit of interest tomorrow.
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