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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 27, 2023 22:08:19 GMT
Any details of fixtures.
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 27, 2023 22:10:55 GMT
Kerry v Tipp 3/1/24. STACKS PARK Limerick v Kerry 6/1/24 Rathkeale.
Final.19/1
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 27, 2023 22:54:16 GMT
What kind of team would people like to see out?
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 27, 2023 23:12:50 GMT
One without any cliffords in it....unless its Fiachra Clifford
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Post by homerj on Dec 27, 2023 23:36:53 GMT
Hopefully we get to see the likes of Joe O Connor, Dara Roche, Stefan etc who were injured last year.
Need to unearth 3 or 4 lads this year.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 27, 2023 23:41:52 GMT
Surely just be lads who don’t have too much experience considering the standard of the opposition. Based off public knowledge of the panel something like
Shane Murphy, Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue, Damien Bourke, Stefan Okunbor, Mike Breen, Sean O’Brien, Joe O’Connor, Barry O’Sullivan, Ronan Buckley, Ruairi Murphy (if fit), Cillian Burke, Conor Geaney, Darragh Roche, Dylan Geaney.
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 27, 2023 23:44:51 GMT
I would be happy enough with a selection like that.
Might make the effort to drive down to one of the games. I'm starved of football
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 28, 2023 10:55:45 GMT
Surely just be lads who don’t have too much experience considering the standard of the opposition. Based off public knowledge of the panel something like Shane Murphy, Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue, Damien Bourke, Stefan Okunbor, Mike Breen, Sean O’Brien, Joe O’Connor, Barry O’Sullivan, Ronan Buckley, Ruairi Murphy (if fit), Cillian Burke, Conor Geaney, Darragh Roche, Dylan Geaney. That would be a very good team.
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Post by legendz on Dec 28, 2023 12:13:26 GMT
Division 2 football isn't the end of the world. The McGrath Cup and league campaign should be about giving more players experience.
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Post by john4 on Dec 28, 2023 12:24:31 GMT
Division 2 football isn't the end of the world. The McGrath Cup and league campaign should be about giving more players experience. And allowing established players a break from the game. The split season has been fantastic from a supporters point of view but for county players it's a nonstop treadmill of football. 100% agree with legendz
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 28, 2023 12:25:11 GMT
Surely just be lads who don’t have too much experience considering the standard of the opposition. Based off public knowledge of the panel something like Shane Murphy, Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue, Damien Bourke, Stefan Okunbor, Mike Breen, Sean O’Brien, Joe O’Connor, Barry O’Sullivan, Ronan Buckley, Ruairi Murphy (if fit), Cillian Burke, Conor Geaney, Darragh Roche, Dylan Geaney. Yes, good selection, Personally, I think Shane Murphy has had his stint, and won’t push Shane Ryan for the number one position, in saying that, I rate the Rathmore man in high esteem and think he is the best we have had since the baker, and that is saying a lot, I think Coffee the Mid Kerry lad is calm but I really rate Devon Burns. Mangan from Laune Rangers had a solid county championship and had a good inning against DC… I also rate the ex U20 full back, Andrew Moynhan, even if he had been played around the centre by his club, Stacks system hinders Heimrick, but I feel he is a rough diamond, Barry O’Sullivan got a good league run, but come dry sod, Jack did not rate, going by that theory, I cannot see him as a viable option this year, Roche was impressive last two years, but injuries curtailed, while Donal Down, for me, as much as I am a fan, failed to launch. I have often touted Barry Mahoney, I think it’s now or never for the Senan’s lad, being honest, there is nothing else out in NK, bar maybe Rob Stack from Beale, for me I would edge towards something like the following: Devon Burns (Na Gaeil) Dylan Casey (Stacks) Andrew Moynihan (Rathmore) Dan O’Donogue (Spa) Keith Evans (Keel) Stefan Okunbor (Na Gaeil) Armin Heimrich (Stacks) Sean O’Brien (Beaufort) Joe O’Connor (Stacks) James McCarthy (Kenmare) Barry O’Mahoney (St Senans) Ruairi Murphy (Listry) Darragh Roche (Glenflesk) Killian Bourke (Castlemaine) Dylan Geaney (Dingle)
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Post by chicago09 on Dec 28, 2023 13:05:24 GMT
Wow agree to a lot of that team from both of you. Yeah I would start joe and O’Brien at midfield and give them a good run. It’s a big chance for Okunbor too hope he has a good run injury free. Hard to know where to play him wouldn’t be a great man marker inside so he could maybe be a sweeper. Big fan of omahoney too big and strong and a lot of football in him. I like Keith Evans too should get a run as the time is up for Burns and Moynihan in my opinion in fact I have no idea what they see in Dara and can’t figure out what his role actually is. Don’t know how much I can say and don’t want to criticize too much but to me our half forward line is our weakest line. Killian bourke is a good prospect and is a raw talent no doubt but the problem is where to play him but that’s the job of the coaches. He likes to go forward and can score and hope they don’t take that out of him.
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Post by The16thMan on Dec 28, 2023 13:59:35 GMT
I think fellas who would have any chance of breaking into team compared to last year will need to start getting starts in the McGrath Cup. Fellas like Joe O'Connor, Cillian Burke, Darragh Roche, Mike Breen & Dan O'Donoghue. They need to hit the ground running between now and April. Playing 15/20 fellas who won't have any chance of starting in a fully fit squad against Limerick/ Cork on April 20th would be counter productive. Need to see something fresh.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 28, 2023 17:15:41 GMT
. Playing 15/20 fellas who won't have any chance of starting in a fully fit squad against Limerick/ Cork on April 20th would be counter productive. Need to see something fresh. Great point.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 28, 2023 17:39:37 GMT
I think fellas who would have any chance of breaking into team compared to last year will need to start getting starts in the McGrath Cup. Fellas like Joe O'Connor, Cillian Burke, Darragh Roche, Mike Breen & Dan O'Donoghue. They need to hit the ground running between now and April. Playing 15/20 fellas who won't have any chance of starting in a fully fit squad against Limerick/ Cork on April 20th would be counter productive. Need to see something fresh. I take your point but we lost Diarmuid O Connor last year to injury in the McGrath cup. I really don't see the point of playing any first team regulars. I hate making comparisons but Dublin play a 3rd team in OByrne Cup.
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Post by shannonsider on Dec 28, 2023 18:20:23 GMT
Surely just be lads who don’t have too much experience considering the standard of the opposition. Based off public knowledge of the panel something like Shane Murphy, Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue, Damien Bourke, Stefan Okunbor, Mike Breen, Sean O’Brien, Joe O’Connor, Barry O’Sullivan, Ronan Buckley, Ruairi Murphy (if fit), Cillian Burke, Conor Geaney, Darragh Roche, Dylan Geaney. Yes, good selection, Personally, I think Shane Murphy has had his stint, and won’t push Shane Ryan for the number one position, in saying that, I rate the Rathmore man in high esteem and think he is the best we have had since the baker, and that is saying a lot, I think Coffee the Mid Kerry lad is calm but I really rate Devon Burns. Mangan from Laune Rangers had a solid county championship and had a good inning against DC… I also rate the ex U20 full back, Andrew Moynhan, even if he had been played around the centre by his club, Stacks system hinders Heimrick, but I feel he is a rough diamond, Barry O’Sullivan got a good league run, but come dry sod, Jack did not rate, going by that theory, I cannot see him as a viable option this year, Roche was impressive last two years, but injuries curtailed, while Donal Down, for me, as much as I am a fan, failed to launch. I have often touted Barry Mahoney, I think it’s now or never for the Senan’s lad, being honest, there is nothing else out in NK, bar maybe Rob Stack from Beale, for me I would edge towards something like the following: Devon Burns (Na Gaeil) Dylan Casey (Stacks) Andrew Moynihan (Rathmore) Dan O’Donogue (Spa) Keith Evans (Keel) Stefan Okunbor (Na Gaeil) Armin Heimrich (Stacks) Sean O’Brien (Beaufort) Joe O’Connor (Stacks) James McCarthy (Kenmare) Barry O’Mahoney (St Senans) Ruairi Murphy (Listry) Darragh Roche (Glenflesk) Killian Bourke (Castlemaine) Dylan Geaney (Dingle) Good post and lot of good points there I'd agree with. Few things I'd throw into the mix. Dylan Geaney, Cillian Burke, Ruairi Murphy (if fit) and Damien Bourke will all start in Sigerson cup with UCC so I would let them focus on that and see how they got on there. No need to be flogging young fellas. Dylan Geaney had an extended run with Dingle, Burke with Milltown same. Murphy has had an injury plagued year. It makes no sense to be pulling them in several directions this time of year and in the conditions you will be playing in. There's at least 2 players in UCC squad who haven't been mentioned who may be worthy of a look for Kerry at some stage - Eoin O'Sullivan from Legion and Dara O'Callaghan from Kilcummin. But again, if they perform well at Sigerson you can bring them in then. I think O'Callaghan may still be u20 and he's a very good prospect. David Mangan and James McCarthy are both in UL I believe so would expect them to start there. I think Keith Evans, Tony Brosnan and a few other potential panelists will play with Tralee in Trench cup. I would be of the opinion that if they are going to start for college team let them focus on that for January. I thought what Jack did with Tony Brosnan and was it Jack Savage a couple of years back - making them travel to a meaningless game in Tipperary the SAME DAY as a Sigerson game was a disgrace. Anyway. I'd agree with giving Devon Burns a go in nets. I think he could potentially be Shane Ryan's back up. Mike Breen, Dan O'Donoghue, Dylan Casey, Stefan Okunbor, Seán O'Brien could feature in defence.Okunbor and O'Brien may also be options at midfield. Joe O'Connor if fully back fit, would be great to see him get back on field. We really need to look hard at midfield options and I'm not sure who they have in the squad but if the management have no faith in Barry Dan then I don't know what the point is? Personally think he got shafted a bit and never really got a chance to prove anything but maybe he wasn't doing it in training. Okunbor, Seán O'Brien, Darragh Lyne, Ronan Buckley, Barry O'Mahony - are any or a few of these guys going to be options? Adrian Spillane COULD fill in but he's more likely to feature at 10/12 as a 3rd midfielder. Up front Darragh Roche proved in county championship he is a good operator and should be told to give it a real go this year. Rob Monahan heading away is a pity as he would definitely feature here. Conor Geaney if fit may get a run. Killian Spillane really needs to nail down a place this year I feel. I would think Dara Moynihan has a bit to prove, he does in my book anyway, so he may play. Not sure if Seánie Shea will. Ronan Buckley could also feature in the forward line possibly. Could be way off in some of that, so will just await word on what formula they come up with.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Dec 28, 2023 18:22:08 GMT
Cillian Burke is an obvious player coming through that needs as much game time as possible to get him up to championship level. He definitely can do a job as a wing forward, an area where we have lacked a ball winner and a scoring threat in recent years. Dara Moynihan, Micheál Burns are hard working players but they lack an x factor. At their respective ages I don't see them developing beyond their current abilities. They won't grow a few inches either.
We were relatively fortunate with injuries the last 2 years and hopefully that'll still be the case. I don't see Okunbar as a midfielder as he doesn't gave enough guile or kicking ability. He would be ideal as a man marker. I think he would have been a perfect man to mark McCaffrey in last year's final who did huge damage to us.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 28, 2023 21:11:27 GMT
I think fellas who would have any chance of breaking into team compared to last year will need to start getting starts in the McGrath Cup. Fellas like Joe O'Connor, Cillian Burke, Darragh Roche, Mike Breen & Dan O'Donoghue. They need to hit the ground running between now and April. Playing 15/20 fellas who won't have any chance of starting in a fully fit squad against Limerick/ Cork on April 20th would be counter productive. Need to see something fresh. The opposition is half strength Tipperary and Limerick teams. Is it not better to play all the fringe players and see who of them will step up and lead. Anyway of the team I posted the majority of them are fellas who I wouldn’t write off having an impact this year, things may have to fall for them but they aren’t no hopers.
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Post by crokes86 on Dec 29, 2023 21:43:59 GMT
1 Sean Coffey 2 Dan O’Donoghue 3 Dylan Casey 4 James McCarthy 5 Armin Heinrich 6 Stefan Okunbar 7 Sean O’Brien 8 Mark Ryan 9 Joe O’Connnor 10 Darragh Lyne 11 Cillian Burke 12 Ronan Buckley 13 Darragh Roche 14 David Shaw 15 Dónal O’Sullivan 16 Devon Burns 17 Mike Breen 18 Dylan Geaney 19 Cian Gammell 20 Barry Mahony 21 Conor Geaney 22 Joe Linehan 23 Eddie Horan 24 Paul Walsh 25 Cian O’Donoghue 26 William Shine
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Post by Premier on Dec 29, 2023 22:18:13 GMT
1 Sean Coffey 2 Dan O’Donoghue 3 Dylan Casey 4 James McCarthy 5 Armin Heinrich 6 Stefan Okunbar 7 Sean O’Brien 8 Mark Ryan 9 Joe O’Connnor 10 Darragh Lyne 11 Cillian Burke 12 Ronan Buckley 13 Darragh Roche 14 David Shaw 15 Dónal O’Sullivan 16 Devon Burns 17 Mike Breen 18 Dylan Geaney 19 Cian Gammell 20 Barry Mahony 21 Conor Geaney 22 Joe Linehan 23 Eddie Horan 24 Paul Walsh 25 Cian O’Donoghue 26 William Shine Half the lads you’ve named are not on the panel
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 29, 2023 22:45:53 GMT
Who is the one player people want most to break in, for me, I would love to see Dan O'Donoghue to really stake a claim to a starting corner spot, I would love to release Tom Sull to the wing...
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Post by Premier on Dec 29, 2023 23:00:31 GMT
Who is the one player people want most to break in, for me, I would love to see Dan O'Donoghue to really stake a claim to a starting corner spot, I would love to release Tom Sull to the wing... I think Kerry getting a cast iron wing forward who is a scoring threat (Burke?) would take us to another level with the 2 Clifford’s and O’Shea a dead cert for the team. Spillane also jumping ahead of Roche, Brosnan and the 3 Geaney’s to really make our 15 a genuine threat Realistically barring injury the following are for me dead certs if we were to start an all Ireland final. Ryan Foley Tom Morley White O’Connor O’Shea 2 Clifford’s Everything else very much up for grabs
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Post by thehermit on Dec 30, 2023 11:23:41 GMT
Can't wait for Wednesday next, I'm gagging for some Kerry football!!! The off season is unbearably long now and after a loss like last July's it feels like an eternity.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 30, 2023 11:37:18 GMT
Can't wait for Wednesday next, I'm gagging for some Kerry football!!! The off season is unbearably long now and after a loss like last July's it feels like an eternity. Ah Hermit, get into the club scene more, it really only finished two weeks ago and the next year phone calls are going on since.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 30, 2023 12:31:02 GMT
Can't wait for Wednesday next, I'm gagging for some Kerry football!!! The off season is unbearably long now and after a loss like last July's it feels like an eternity. Ah Hermit, get into the club scene more, it really only finished two weeks ago and the next year phone calls are going on since. My own club in Meath won the junior championship for the first time since the early 70s. A club made famous by the famous Meath player Jack Quinn. Unfortunately for me the boots are well hung up so I could only watch from the stand in Parc Tailteann. But the off season is long after a loss like ours last July. On a side note I thought RTEs piece on David Clifford was very nice and it was good seeing him getting a break with his family.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Dec 30, 2023 14:10:56 GMT
I agree with alot of posters but I for one do think Barry Dan hasa role to play.I actually think our management team made a bobo by not giving Barry more championship time and he is honest and hard working and might have beem the difference last year.Joe O Connor is still untested and I believe its either Joe or Barrydab.I agree we want lads tried that might be in our championship team but forget about the certainties like Tom Sull Foley Morley White the Cliffords Seanie Paul Geaney etc.Give the possibles the chances JOC gave Barry Dan plenty of run outs during the league but when it came to an important championship game he simply didn't trust putting him on. Jack Barry was very lucky not to have been sent off shortly after half time v Tyrone this year. He was on a yellow and hit a Tyrone player with a clothesline. The ref gave a tick. JOC still kept Jack Barry on when a further foul would have been red. The game was still competitive at that stage and it was the obvious change to make. Furthermore even when that game was over with 15 minutes left JOC didn't give him a run.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 30, 2023 15:53:54 GMT
I agree with alot of posters but I for one do think Barry Dan hasa role to play.I actually think our management team made a bobo by not giving Barry more championship time and he is honest and hard working and might have beem the difference last year.Joe O Connor is still untested and I believe its either Joe or Barrydab.I agree we want lads tried that might be in our championship team but forget about the certainties like Tom Sull Foley Morley White the Cliffords Seanie Paul Geaney etc.Give the possibles the chances JOC gave Barry Dan plenty of run outs during the league but when it came to an important championship game he simply didn't trust putting him on. Jack Barry was very lucky not to have been sent off shortly after half time v Tyrone this year. He was on a yellow and hit a Tyrone player with a clothesline. The ref gave a tick. JOC still kept Jack Barry on when a further foul would have been red. The game was still competitive at that stage and it was the obvious change to make. Furthermore even when that game was over with 15 minutes left JOC didn't give him a run. Very much inclined to agree, our issue I think is a lot of our mid-fielders are similar, or one paced... I do have time for Jack Barry and feel he will be missed come the summer, I also think a wing back berth is up for grabs, Paul Murphy owes us nothing, but I think he was exposed at various stages this year. I would rather see Paul off the bench, a fully fit O'Beagleoich would be a huge bonus defensively for us.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 30, 2023 21:23:49 GMT
JOC gave Barry Dan plenty of run outs during the league but when it came to an important championship game he simply didn't trust putting him on. Jack Barry was very lucky not to have been sent off shortly after half time v Tyrone this year. He was on a yellow and hit a Tyrone player with a clothesline. The ref gave a tick. JOC still kept Jack Barry on when a further foul would have been red. The game was still competitive at that stage and it was the obvious change to make. Furthermore even when that game was over with 15 minutes left JOC didn't give him a run. Agreed but Imo it was a mistake.Maybe BarryDan might have helped us bring Sam back home.Barry was our best midfielder during the league.Even if not spectacular he is hard working and reliable in tje mould of Donal Daly and William Kirby.If Jack and selectors feel BarryDan cant contribute during championship there s no point in him being on the panel.I think they are very wrong but cest la vie. I agree, If your not good enough you shouldn't be on the panel. I thought he did ok in league particularly against Galway.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Dec 30, 2023 23:54:31 GMT
He was good v Galway and had a bit of forward nous which Jack Barry doesnt have. However Croke parks surface suits pace. You can find an extra gear there if you have it in you. A typical provincial ground sod levels the playing field somewhat between players.
It was a mistake to not bring on Barry Dan in that Tyrone game but it was very telling that he wasn't. Im not too critical of Jack Barry as he's an honest contributor but we have high standards for midfielders in our county. But the last few managers have picked him when it mattered.
At least this year we are forced to freshen it up a bit. I don't think Adrian Spillane is the answer either. We need a kick passer. I don't think Darragh O'Sé got enough credit for his kick passing as his high fielding got most of his praise. He had a great kick from midfield and he always demanded the midfield free kicks off the hand.
I know the game has changed but in counter attacks a good accurate kick of 30 metres into half forward or even switching the play from one wing to the other is vital. The rugby lads are doing it a lot more now with the cross field kicks rather than regular passes.
There has yet to be a player who can run faster than a long accurate kick pass!
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Post by Lolly Valance on Dec 31, 2023 0:49:09 GMT
Just my own opinion but, I thought ruari Murphy was fairly poor last year when I saw him in person in the championship. Maybe it was nerves etc but, he was especially all over the place against cork in the Pairc and even struggled against Louth.
Others have hit the nail on the head re Barry Dan. He just doesn't have the pace especially on a quick sod. If I was going to keep him on the panel it would be as a FF that can come on to give us a target and take some heat off Clifford. He is well able to take a score.
As others have said it's time to move Paul Murphy into the role of impact sub or someone to bring on to close out games. Be that as either a half back or half forward. Think it will be a big league for Dylan Casey. If I remember he was given the run around by Tyrone in Killarney in the league and similar v Mayo in the round robin.
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