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Post by listowelemerrs on Nov 14, 2023 18:43:38 GMT
It was certainly not the county championship that opened people’s eyes to Rob monahan. For me and many I know it was ardfert junior run last year. He was midfield for ardfert and outstanding in every game.
I see a few posters on about the development squads. I met a former GAA legend from Kerry who has 4 all Ireland medals last weekend. He was going on about the development squads potentially having a negative impact on players as they progress, his point was are these so called coaches, coaching the skills and natural football out of players, not allowing them to express themselves and being coached within a system.
It made me think, especially when you see how much fear we played with versus Dublin in final in July .
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Post by mike70 on Nov 14, 2023 18:44:52 GMT
The time for change is nigh, appreciate it’s hard to let go, but if you were in castleisland for Fossa game or stacks park for the ballymac v emmets, you can see why we need change. I am still waiting for a valid reason to maintain divisional teams, they served their purpose in the past but the structures have moved on, I think we need to move with it.Looking forward to hearing from the hurling man, or the hurler on the ditch. 😂 "Structures have moved on" begs the question what exactly has changed in the last year or so.
The obvious response reminds me of the point Donald Tusk made, when he was landed with the problem of organising Brexit. "All of this, just because of one political party with a sense of divine entitlement ....." or words to that effect. 1. Development squads are firmly in place, they did not exist 20 years ago, they now provide the platform for talent to come through. 2. Social media coverage of our games has exposed far more players to a wider public, via streaming and even forum like this. 3. Kerry schools are getting a lot more exposure across the different divisions, so again more exposure gor players. 4. Kerry leadership in the development squads from likes of Pat shea,donal Daly and Mike quirke in the past. IMO all of the above are huge improvements that did not exist in the past, I believe these take away the argument that most seem to put up for divisional sides discovering new players. Long way from when Pat from Duagh called up miko Dwyer after scoring 3-3 in the north kerry final. 😂🙈
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 14, 2023 19:01:24 GMT
"Structures have moved on" begs the question what exactly has changed in the last year or so.
The obvious response reminds me of the point Donald Tusk made, when he was landed with the problem of organising Brexit. "All of this, just because of one political party with a sense of divine entitlement ....." or words to that effect. 1. Development squads are firmly in place, they did not exist 20 years ago, they now provide the platform for talent to come through. 2. Social media coverage of our games has exposed far more players to a wider public, via streaming and even forum like this. 3. Kerry schools are getting a lot more exposure across the different divisions, so again more exposure gor players. 4. Kerry leadership in the development squads from likes of Pat shea,donal Daly and Mike quirke in the past. IMO all of the above are huge improvements that did not exist in the past, I believe these take away the argument that most seem to put up for divisional sides discovering new players. Long way from when Pat from Duagh called up miko Dwyer after scoring 3-3 in the north kerry final. 😂🙈 No Pat Cash scored 3-3 AGAINST Duagh. For Listowel.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 14, 2023 19:19:01 GMT
1. Development squads are firmly in place, they did not exist 20 years ago, they now provide the platform for talent to come through. 2. Social media coverage of our games has exposed far more players to a wider public, via streaming and even forum like this. 3. Kerry schools are getting a lot more exposure across the different divisions, so again more exposure gor players. 4. Kerry leadership in the development squads from likes of Pat shea,donal Daly and Mike quirke in the past. IMO all of the above are huge improvements that did not exist in the past, I believe these take away the argument that most seem to put up for divisional sides discovering new players. Long way from when Pat from Duagh called up miko Dwyer after scoring 3-3 in the north kerry final. 😂🙈 No Pat Cash scored 3-3 AGAINST Duagh. For Listowel. Cheers, it was great old story 😂😂😂
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 14, 2023 19:28:22 GMT
"Structures have moved on" begs the question what exactly has changed in the last year or so.
The obvious response reminds me of the point Donald Tusk made, when he was landed with the problem of organising Brexit. "All of this, just because of one political party with a sense of divine entitlement ....." or words to that effect. 1. Development squads are firmly in place, they did not exist 20 years ago, they now provide the platform for talent to come through. 2. Social media coverage of our games has exposed far more players to a wider public, via streaming and even forum like this. 3. Kerry schools are getting a lot more exposure across the different divisions, so again more exposure gor players. 4. Kerry leadership in the development squads from likes of Pat shea,donal Daly and Mike quirke in the past. IMO all of the above are huge improvements that did not exist in the past, I believe these take away the argument that most seem to put up for divisional sides discovering new players. Long way from when Pat from Duagh called up miko Dwyer after scoring 3-3 in the north kerry final. 😂🙈 1.County SFC is at a far higher level than anything development squads can offer. Which is a better measure of whether Cillian Burke could step up and play Kerry Senior: A) U16 Kerry South development squad 4 years ago or B)Taking on Jack Sherwood in a county Senior final? The answer is obvious. 2.Social media? Are you joking? Thankfully nobody serious would select Kerry players via social media. Or via this forum either thank god. 3.Corn ui Mhuiri is a great development tool and highly useful for picking potential Minor players and a few u20s. But again, third level football would be a far closer level to gauge off than second level. And again County SFC in current format would be a step up again from Fresher football a 19/20 year old would be playing. 4.Same as point 1. Donal Daly does a great job but he’s the manager of the GDAs, he’s not going to be coaching any squads. Pat O’Shea is long gone and is head of coaching in Munster. And to be perfectly honest the GDAs are hit and miss in terms of high performance.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 14, 2023 19:43:00 GMT
"Structures have moved on" begs the question what exactly has changed in the last year or so.
The obvious response reminds me of the point Donald Tusk made, when he was landed with the problem of organising Brexit. "All of this, just because of one political party with a sense of divine entitlement ....." or words to that effect. 1. Development squads are firmly in place, they did not exist 20 years ago, they now provide the platform for talent to come through. 2. Social media coverage of our games has exposed far more players to a wider public, via streaming and even forum like this. 3. Kerry schools are getting a lot more exposure across the different divisions, so again more exposure gor players. 4. Kerry leadership in the development squads from likes of Pat shea,donal Daly and Mike quirke in the past. IMO all of the above are huge improvements that did not exist in the past, I believe these take away the argument that most seem to put up for divisional sides discovering new players. Long way from when Pat from Duagh called up miko Dwyer after scoring 3-3 in the north kerry final. 😂🙈 You never responded to my point about a talented young player with a club down in junior or junior premier and going nowhere. Not even talking about finding players for Kerry.
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Post by mossie on Nov 14, 2023 20:17:18 GMT
1. Development squads are firmly in place, they did not exist 20 years ago, they now provide the platform for talent to come through. 2. Social media coverage of our games has exposed far more players to a wider public, via streaming and even forum like this. 3. Kerry schools are getting a lot more exposure across the different divisions, so again more exposure gor players. 4. Kerry leadership in the development squads from likes of Pat shea,donal Daly and Mike quirke in the past. IMO all of the above are huge improvements that did not exist in the past, I believe these take away the argument that most seem to put up for divisional sides discovering new players. Long way from when Pat from Duagh called up miko Dwyer after scoring 3-3 in the north kerry final. 😂🙈 1.County SFC is at a far higher level than anything development squads can offer. Which is a better measure of whether Cillian Burke could step up and play Kerry Senior: A) U16 Kerry South development squad 4 years ago or B)Taking on Jack Sherwood in a county Senior final? The answer is obvious. 2.Social media? Are you joking? Thankfully nobody serious would select Kerry players via social media. Or via this forum either thank god. 3.Corn ui Mhuiri is a great development tool and highly useful for picking potential Minor players and a few u20s. But again, third level football would be a far closer level to gauge off than second level. And again County SFC in current format would be a step up again from Fresher football a 19/20 year old would be playing. 4.Same as point 1. Donal Daly does a great job but he’s the manager of the GDAs, he’s not going to be coaching any squads. Pat O’Shea is long gone and is head of coaching in Munster. And to be perfectly honest the GDAs are hit and miss in terms of high performance. I d speculate Cillian Burke was heading into Jack's plans for 2024 long before the 2023 county championship commenced not to mention the final v Jack Sherwood
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Post by mossie on Nov 14, 2023 20:20:34 GMT
would people see Luke as a potential Kerry Senior in 2-3 years time? i certainly see it anyway. Yes but a cavaet He plays off the cuff and with flair somewhere along the line people may try coach that out of him
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 14, 2023 21:49:00 GMT
1.County SFC is at a far higher level than anything development squads can offer. Which is a better measure of whether Cillian Burke could step up and play Kerry Senior: A) U16 Kerry South development squad 4 years ago or B)Taking on Jack Sherwood in a county Senior final? The answer is obvious. 2.Social media? Are you joking? Thankfully nobody serious would select Kerry players via social media. Or via this forum either thank god. 3.Corn ui Mhuiri is a great development tool and highly useful for picking potential Minor players and a few u20s. But again, third level football would be a far closer level to gauge off than second level. And again County SFC in current format would be a step up again from Fresher football a 19/20 year old would be playing. 4.Same as point 1. Donal Daly does a great job but he’s the manager of the GDAs, he’s not going to be coaching any squads. Pat O’Shea is long gone and is head of coaching in Munster. And to be perfectly honest the GDAs are hit and miss in terms of high performance. I d speculate Cillian Burke was heading into Jack's plans for 2024 long before the 2023 county championship commenced not to mention the final v Jack Sherwood You’re right he would have been in shakeup regardless. But since Kerry u20s were beaten on May 7th, playing in Senior championship will have been a lot better as a mode of development than were he just playing intermediate club alone I’m sure you’d agree.
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Post by mossie on Nov 14, 2023 22:02:51 GMT
I d speculate Cillian Burke was heading into Jack's plans for 2024 long before the 2023 county championship commenced not to mention the final v Jack Sherwood You’re right he would have been in shakeup regardless. But since Kerry u20s were beaten on May 7th, playing in Senior championship will have been a lot better as a mode of development than were he just playing intermediate club alone I’m sure you’d agree. I might not agree The lad will have had 7 matches in the intermedite club in kerry before it is over ( a very good standard maybe better than some of the passionless senior county championship matches), he had 7 matches in the county senior championship Potentially matches to come in the munster intermediate and the mid kerry championship I would be worried about such a player being flogged to be honest and in a need of a rest. How many matches and competitions do you want for such players? I am not sure it is development having players playing so many matches and competitions particularly when the county selectors know all about them anyway I am not entirely against divisional teams , on the round I am in favour of them but the round robins need to go to avoid so many matches and number of club teams to go to 12
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Post by legendz on Nov 14, 2023 22:04:39 GMT
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Post by mossie on Nov 14, 2023 22:08:50 GMT
If a restructure to 12 senior clubs does happen who decides what clubs go senior? It would make most sense to work off the county league placings and also obviously if a club felt they could go senior. Or do we just say add the Narries, Stacks and the winners of the fossa and Miltown final to the pot? With how Strand Road have been performing at all levels, especially underage what happens if they are bottom of the pile again? Another restructure? They have 6 titles in total. The last nearly 20 years ago. county league should have nothing to do with it, sure club teams are without county players for it so ratings are a bit false The fairest way is keep the 8 senior clubs from 2023 ( KOR get a reprieve) Add in the 4 intermediate semi finalist from 2023 - Stacks, Legion, Fossa , Milltown\Castlemaine
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 14, 2023 22:24:54 GMT
would people see Luke as a potential Kerry Senior in 2-3 years time? i certainly see it anyway. Yes but a cavaet He plays off the cuff and with flair somewhere along the line people may try coach that out of him Absolutely 100%. And it would be at the very start of the line.
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Post by mossie on Nov 14, 2023 22:32:01 GMT
Yes but a cavaet He plays off the cuff and with flair somewhere along the line people may try coach that out of him Absolutely 100%. And it would be at the very start of the line. sad that gaelic football has gone that way
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Post by kerryblueboy on Nov 15, 2023 11:02:21 GMT
Any movement or outcome on the return to even ages vote and the debate on decoupling. I know Cork recently announced a return to even ages. Cork voted to return to u18 with full decoupling, significantly though, allowed a derogation to junior clubs. KCB is not giving this option to clubs. The motion is full decoupling under 18 across the board. It will cause big problems to smaller rural clubs already struggling to field teams. There really should be a partial decoupling option for junior clubs - i.e. 18 y/o's available from say July onward or for Junior club c/ships and some co league games in summer when challenges fielding teams come on. The small club is not being looked after under current proposals. U18 full decoupling may solve one problem but will create an even bigger problem for the survival of rural clubs down the road. A derogation for junior clubs has to be found. there is little or no interest from the chairman or mr twiss in the plight of struggling rural clubs not allowing players play senior football until they are 19 is madness I played it at 16 like most of my friends did us no harm at all this is a play by some bigger clubs to try and delay young players from going to senior to make space for them
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 15, 2023 13:11:43 GMT
Here's my real issue with our competitions.
Dublin players have the feet up since at latest the Oct Bank Holiday.
We are still playing upto this weekend.
Dublin players are playing 1 championship.
The Clifford's are playing 2.
My point is entirely selfish as I'm in my 40s and frankly my main concern is Kerry success.
Keeping divisional teams is a side issue for me.
The crux of the problem is the amount of games and the amount of games we are asking our best players to play.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 15, 2023 13:27:23 GMT
Here's my real issue with our competitions. Dublin players have the feet up since at latest the Oct Bank Holiday. We are still playing upto this weekend. Dublin players are playing 1 championship. The Clifford's are playing 2. My point is entirely selfish as I'm in my 40s and frankly my main concern is Kerry success. Keeping divisional teams is a side issue for me. The crux of the problem is the amount of games and the amount of games we are asking our best players to play. This post is simply put and to the point. Why did Jack Barry opt out, probably sick to the teeth of football. You quoted the Dubs have the feet up, if Fossa win on Sunday they will be out again in the Munster Club, and we haven't even touched on the staging of the O'Donoghue Cup.... Playing devil's advocate, is there anything to be said for retaining the club structure as is, but instead of a Divisional inclusion in the county championship, have something along the lines of the Millennium Cup.. all in one pot and knockout ball...
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Post by john4 on Nov 15, 2023 14:17:11 GMT
Here's my real issue with our competitions. Dublin players have the feet up since at latest the Oct Bank Holiday. We are still playing upto this weekend. Dublin players are playing 1 championship. The Clifford's are playing 2. My point is entirely selfish as I'm in my 40s and frankly my main concern is Kerry success. Keeping divisional teams is a side issue for me. The crux of the problem is the amount of games and the amount of games we are asking our best players to play. Player burnout is a real factor that must be considered. The split season has been ideal for club players but for IC fellas there's no downtime. Not only are the Dublin players out of competition now, nobody in Dublin Gaa will lose any sleep if the same players are rested throughout the national league and finish up being relegated to Div 2 again. This is an issue that needs to be managed. The Gaa calendar has changed but, up to now anyway we haven't adjusted our club competitions to take into account the new demands on IC players.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 15, 2023 15:56:02 GMT
Here's my real issue with our competitions. Dublin players have the feet up since at latest the Oct Bank Holiday. We are still playing upto this weekend. Dublin players are playing 1 championship. The Clifford's are playing 2. My point is entirely selfish as I'm in my 40s and frankly my main concern is Kerry success. Keeping divisional teams is a side issue for me. The crux of the problem is the amount of games and the amount of games we are asking our best players to play. This post is simply put and to the point. Why did Jack Barry opt out, probably sick to the teeth of football. You quoted the Dubs have the feet up, if Fossa win on Sunday they will be out again in the Munster Club, and we haven't even touched on the staging of the O'Donoghue Cup.... Playing devil's advocate, is there anything to be said for retaining the club structure as is, but instead of a Divisional inclusion in the county championship, have something along the lines of the Millennium Cup.. all in one pot and knockout ball... I'll have to wash out my mouth with holy water after this but, Tyrone have a straight knock out competition. No groups, no second chances. That makes the championship more cut throat and also makes the leagues more valuable as they play apart in seeding. I'm not suggesting we do that but I think we need to look at this with an open mind.
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Post by Premier on Nov 15, 2023 19:47:39 GMT
If a restructure to 12 senior clubs does happen who decides what clubs go senior? It would make most sense to work off the county league placings and also obviously if a club felt they could go senior. Or do we just say add the Narries, Stacks and the winners of the fossa and Miltown final to the pot? With how Strand Road have been performing at all levels, especially underage what happens if they are bottom of the pile again? Another restructure? They have 6 titles in total. The last nearly 20 years ago. county league should have nothing to do with it, sure club teams are without county players for it so ratings are a bit false The fairest way is keep the 8 senior clubs from 2023 ( KOR get a reprieve) Add in the 4 intermediate semi finalist from 2023 - Stacks, Legion, Fossa , Milltown\Castlemaine Would that involve bringing 4 teams up from Premier Junior to intermediate? Currow would stay intermediate and be joined by Ballymac, Listowel, Ardfert and Annuscaul. 4 teams would join Premier junior then, Renard, Tarbert, Moyvane and Sneem/Derrynane with Skellig Rangers not being relegated
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 16, 2023 1:21:57 GMT
county league should have nothing to do with it, sure club teams are without county players for it so ratings are a bit false The fairest way is keep the 8 senior clubs from 2023 ( KOR get a reprieve) Add in the 4 intermediate semi finalist from 2023 - Stacks, Legion, Fossa , Milltown\Castlemaine Would that involve bringing 4 teams up from Premier Junior to intermediate? Currow would stay intermediate and be joined by Ballymac, Listowel, Ardfert and Annuscaul. 4 teams would join Premier junior then, Renard, Tarbert, Moyvane and Sneem/Derrynane with Skellig Rangers not being relegated That doesn’t really make sense and imbalances the lower levels aswell I would say? Which is why the motion to make Intermediate a 12 team competition along with Senior club is being brought forward possibly. Probably makes it more likely that you’d have 12 Senior, 12 Intermediate, 16 in Prem Junior and Junior down the line. I think the proposal is to do it on a phased basis. In theory for 2024 if you had the following: Senior Dingle, Crokes, Rathmore, Kenmare, Na Gaeil, Spa, Templenoe, Rahillys, Fossa, Miltown-Castle, Stacks, Legion Intermediate Glenflesk, Desmond’s, Listowel, Gneevguilla, Glenbeigh-Glencar, Beaufort, Gaeltacht, Kilcummin, St Mary’s, Laune Rangers, John Mitchels, Ballydonoghue Premier Junior Currow Ballymac Ardfert Annascaul Dromid Pearses Churchill Renard Firies Listry Keel Waterville Brosna Castlegregory St Senans Ballyduff St Pats Junior Portmagee Tarbert Beale Sneem-Derrynane Bally-Foilmore Moyvane Scartaglen Cordal Cromane Knocknagoshel Duagh Lispole Valentia Finuge Kilgarvan Asdee (Ballylongford badly need to agree an amalgamation with Asdee to get back into things but that’s another story) Looks like 4 very competitive grades of football there to me. We just need for the proposal for Senior championship to get approved by Croke park.
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Post by legendz on Nov 16, 2023 18:28:31 GMT
If the Senior Club Championship is 12 clubs and the Intermediate Championship is 12 clubs, will that be 2 groups of 6 for both? The group stage will require 5 rounds and at least semi-finals and final. The Senior Championship this year was 3 group games, semi-final and final. The County Championship was 3 group games, quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. If Dingle had made the County final, that would have been 11 rounds between Senior Club and County. If the Senior Club requires 7 rounds for finalists, the County Championship will have to be straight knockout from 16 to quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. If Intermediate Club finalists require 7 rounds, it'll be a big demand on divisional club players.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 16, 2023 19:09:31 GMT
I've already mentioned my main concern with the structures resulting in too many games.
But surely the elephant in the room is 2 senior championships squeezed into 4 months.
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 16, 2023 19:22:47 GMT
If the Senior Club Championship is 12 clubs and the Intermediate Championship is 12 clubs, will that be 2 groups of 6 for both? The group stage will require 5 rounds and at least semi-finals and final. The Senior Championship this year was 3 group games, semi-final and final. The County Championship was 3 group games, quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. If Dingle had made the County final, that would have been 11 rounds between Senior Club and County. If the Senior Club requires 7 rounds for finalists, the County Championship will have to be straight knockout from 16 to quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. If Intermediate Club finalists require 7 rounds, it'll be a big demand on divisional club players. 3 groups of 4 would work far better for Senior club & Intermediate than 2 x 6. A 3 game minimum as opposed to 5. Top 2 group winners on pts (or scoring difference if needed) get a bye to semis. Other group winner and 3 runners up play 2 quarter finals. Also I know it’s good to complete championships instead of waiting around but it might benefit the Senior club winners if the final was played a week or 2 before Munster club I think? So that final need not be played before County SFC starts. If SFC returns to winners/losers round system OR divisions play off down to 4-6 and then you play knockout, then straight away you are lightening the load for Senior clubs. They could have a weekend or 2 off while Divisions played possibly.
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Post by legendz on Nov 16, 2023 22:47:15 GMT
If the Senior Club Championship is 12 clubs and the Intermediate Championship is 12 clubs, will that be 2 groups of 6 for both? The group stage will require 5 rounds and at least semi-finals and final. The Senior Championship this year was 3 group games, semi-final and final. The County Championship was 3 group games, quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. If Dingle had made the County final, that would have been 11 rounds between Senior Club and County. If the Senior Club requires 7 rounds for finalists, the County Championship will have to be straight knockout from 16 to quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. If Intermediate Club finalists require 7 rounds, it'll be a big demand on divisional club players. 3 groups of 4 would work far better for Senior club & Intermediate than 2 x 6. A 3 game minimum as opposed to 5. Top 2 group winners on pts (or scoring difference if needed) get a bye to semis. Other group winner and 3 runners up play 2 quarter finals. Also I know it’s good to complete championships instead of waiting around but it might benefit the Senior club winners if the final was played a week or 2 before Munster club I think? So that final need not be played before County SFC starts. If SFC returns to winners/losers round system OR divisions play off down to 4-6 and then you play knockout, then straight away you are lightening the load for Senior clubs. They could have a weekend or 2 off while Divisions played possibly. I suppose 3 groups of 4 reduce fits the current 6 week timescale at intermediate. Relegation is a bit tricky but I suppose the better two 4th placed teams should go into an intermediate relegation semi-final. In the senior club championship, only 2 of 3 4th placed teams could theoretically make the County Final. The alone 4th placed team not to make the county final could be automatically relegated in that case. Otherwise all 4th placed teams not to make the county final enter relegation semi-final if needed or relegation final. If the 12 senior clubs all go into the County Championship last 16, the 8 divisional clubs would have to contest a qualifying round. 1. Club championships Group Round 1 2. Club championships Group Round 2 3. Club championships Group Round 3 4. Club championships quarter-finals 5. Club championships semi-finals 6. Club championships finals 7. Divisional qualifying round. 8. County Championship Round of 16 9. County Championship quarter-finals 10. County Championship semi-finals 11. County Final.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 17, 2023 11:28:45 GMT
I've already mentioned my main concern with the structures resulting in too many games. But surely the elephant in the room is 2 senior championships squeezed into 4 months. All that will happen if the number of games is reduced is that it will just lead to more training sessions. Ask any player if they would prefer training or games and games are going to win out all the time.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 17, 2023 15:17:36 GMT
I've already mentioned my main concern with the structures resulting in too many games. But surely the elephant in the room is 2 senior championships squeezed into 4 months. All that will happen if the number of games is reduced is that it will just lead to more training sessions. Ask any player if they would prefer training or games and games are going to win out all the time. Journalists and supporters giving out about too many matches. I doubt many players are. We should listen
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 17, 2023 16:05:51 GMT
All that will happen if the number of games is reduced is that it will just lead to more training sessions. Ask any player if they would prefer training or games and games are going to win out all the time. Journalists and supporters giving out about too many matches. I doubt many players are. We should listen There's a middle ground to be found there. I remember a few years ago Bryan Sheehan played 12 games in 13 weeks between Mary's and South Kerry and was asked if he was knackered by a journo. His response (and lets be honest, Bryan was no marathon runner!) was that it was one of the most enjoyable spells of his career. If you're still playing it means you're winning! That being said the condensed nature of things now with the split season means we need to avoid a scenario of a club being flogged. Dingle played 8 weekends in a row this season I think. So a break weekend worked in there would alleviate things. BUT at the same time, clubs have loads of time to get players conditioned for championship schedule so should have their work done. Between games all you need then is a bit of recovery and tactical work.
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Post by Premier on Nov 17, 2023 16:35:38 GMT
Would that involve bringing 4 teams up from Premier Junior to intermediate? Currow would stay intermediate and be joined by Ballymac, Listowel, Ardfert and Annuscaul. 4 teams would join Premier junior then, Renard, Tarbert, Moyvane and Sneem/Derrynane with Skellig Rangers not being relegated That doesn’t really make sense and imbalances the lower levels aswell I would say? Which is why the motion to make Intermediate a 12 team competition along with Senior club is being brought forward possibly. Probably makes it more likely that you’d have 12 Senior, 12 Intermediate, 16 in Prem Junior and Junior down the line. I think the proposal is to do it on a phased basis. In theory for 2024 if you had the following: Senior Dingle, Crokes, Rathmore, Kenmare, Na Gaeil, Spa, Templenoe, Rahillys, Fossa, Miltown-Castle, Stacks, Legion Intermediate Glenflesk, Desmond’s, Listowel, Gneevguilla, Glenbeigh-Glencar, Beaufort, Gaeltacht, Kilcummin, St Mary’s, Laune Rangers, John Mitchels, Ballydonoghue Premier Junior Currow Ballymac Ardfert Annascaul Dromid Pearses Churchill Renard Firies Listry Keel Waterville Brosna Castlegregory St Senans Ballyduff St Pats Junior Portmagee Tarbert Beale Sneem-Derrynane Bally-Foilmore Moyvane Scartaglen Cordal Cromane Knocknagoshel Duagh Lispole Valentia Finuge Kilgarvan Asdee (Ballylongford badly need to agree an amalgamation with Asdee to get back into things but that’s another story) Looks like 4 very competitive grades of football there to me. We just need for the proposal for Senior championship to get approved by Croke park. Why would you say it imbalances the lower tiers but doesn’t imbalance the intermediate? Under this system it goes 12,16,16,12. Whereas with yours it goes 12,12,16,16. Not much of a difference but I do feel that the premier junior clubs are still a behemoth every year they come out of Kerry. It should be an achievement for them to progress further, not a given as has been the case. Readdressing the balance would do that
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Post by Premier on Nov 17, 2023 16:39:05 GMT
3 groups of 4 would work far better for Senior club & Intermediate than 2 x 6. A 3 game minimum as opposed to 5. Top 2 group winners on pts (or scoring difference if needed) get a bye to semis. Other group winner and 3 runners up play 2 quarter finals. Also I know it’s good to complete championships instead of waiting around but it might benefit the Senior club winners if the final was played a week or 2 before Munster club I think? So that final need not be played before County SFC starts. If SFC returns to winners/losers round system OR divisions play off down to 4-6 and then you play knockout, then straight away you are lightening the load for Senior clubs. They could have a weekend or 2 off while Divisions played possibly. I suppose 3 groups of 4 reduce fits the current 6 week timescale at intermediate. Relegation is a bit tricky but I suppose the better two 4th placed teams should go into an intermediate relegation semi-final. In the senior club championship, only 2 of 3 4th placed teams could theoretically make the County Final. The alone 4th placed team not to make the county final could be automatically relegated in that case. Otherwise all 4th placed teams not to make the county final enter relegation semi-final if needed or relegation final. If the 12 senior clubs all go into the County Championship last 16, the 8 divisional clubs would have to contest a qualifying round. 1. Club championships Group Round 1 2. Club championships Group Round 2 3. Club championships Group Round 3 4. Club championships quarter-finals 5. Club championships semi-finals 6. Club championships finals 7. Divisional qualifying round. 8. County Championship Round of 16 9. County Championship quarter-finals 10. County Championship semi-finals 11. County Final. Would 4 groups of 3 not work better. Makes relegation very easy with the bottom 4 teams going into semis. Top team gets a home quarter final, 2nd team is away. Very clean system. 2 games guaranteed. 1 rest week for teams. Benefits of winning 2 games with home advantage
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