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Post by rossranger on May 20, 2023 14:58:04 GMT
Is Peter Keane back managing Kerry today? defence all over the shop really should be contest over at half time and can be thankful to Shane Ryan that it's not.
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 15:02:58 GMT
Tony Brosnan is a busted flush at this level. Paul Geaney finished. Jack Barry was done 2 years ago.
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Post by exiled on May 20, 2023 15:38:54 GMT
Mayo have a better panel as the second half has shown. We have a non existing middle third for this level. Daragh Moynihan only a sub. Jack Barry not mobile enough. Diurmuid O'Connor not a midfielder. But basically missing the grit needed for this level. After today things can only get better.
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 15:50:34 GMT
Dara Moynihan is only a sub at best. Diurmuid o Connor is not a good enough for midfield at this level.Jack Barry is done at this level. Tom o Sullivan defensive qualities & leadership at the back needs to be questioned.Paul Murphy is a liability,Sean o Shea failed to show leadership again when it counts. Adrian Spillane needs to be put in midfield and Barry Dan. D Clifford kicked some great scores but went for goal too many times when a point was on.We need new players to come in and challenge this current crop.
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Post by mike70 on May 20, 2023 15:52:07 GMT
🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺did I ask, was anyone else worried about the mayo pace, we got our answer.
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Post by orangerhyme on May 20, 2023 15:56:23 GMT
Dara Moynihan is only a sub at best. Diurmuid o Connor is not a good enough for midfield at this level.Jack Barry is done at this level. Tom o Sullivan defensive qualities & leadership at the back needs to be questioned.Paul Murphy is a liability,Sean o Shea failed to show leadership again when it counts. Adrian Spillane needs to be put in midfield and Barry Dan. D Clifford kicked some great scores but went for goal too many times when a point was on.We need new players to come in and challenge this current crop. Paul Murphys one of our most consistent players. We're lacking an inside forward with pace. Too reliant in the two Clifford's for scores and creativity. Our midfield isn't good enough unfortunately. Ruane destroyed them. Our backs aren't sticky enough. Tom Sullivan's has forgotten his defensive responsibilities. |
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Post by exiled on May 20, 2023 16:01:23 GMT
It wasn't any 1 player today at fault...it was the collective and management have to take responsibility for that. As for David Clifford going for goals instead of points,he went for goals because we needed goals.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 20, 2023 16:01:31 GMT
False score line. We were hammered really, beaten in many positions and tactically outfoxed.
Shane Ryan kept the scoreboard respectable for Kerry at one end (stopping at least 4 goal bound shots) and David Clifford put serious respect at the other end for Kerry - where would Kerry be only for that exceptional man?! The Kerry midfield was non-existent and beaten by better men, highways were open towards our goalmouth especially in the first half. Make no mistake as suggested at the outset the scoreboard lies and Mayo would have been well worth a 10-12 point win at least.
I would love to see Brian Ó Beaglaoich back starting as he brings a bit of steel and we need to try something else at midfield. David Clifford was abandoned by some of his teammates today and the man doesn't deserve it. I'm raging with the lack of effort from some fellows and a big reaction is needed but maybe in some positions there is no improving and midfield is a major worry going forward.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 20, 2023 16:17:07 GMT
The worry is Mayo don't even have the best midfield in the country and they cleaned us out this afternoon. I would rank the Galway midfield pairing ahead of Mayo, I would suggest Dublin, Derry and Tyrone are well ahead of Kerry with regards midfield pairings as well. Of course we just need to break even at midfield or force turnovers as we have the firepower from David Clifford to win most games. However, we should remember Cillian McDaid of Galway was the dominate midfielder in the All Ireland final but the miracle of David Clifford got us over the line. Jack O -> Darragh Ó Sé -> David Moran -> midfield leader 2023? We're missing a leader in middle no doubt about it now.
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 16:32:54 GMT
A Spillane has to start in midfield as he has some steel in him as Jack Barry hasn't the mobility and D o Connor hasn't got the leadership qualities.
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Post by ciarrai74 on May 20, 2023 16:40:22 GMT
I was nervous beforehand and genuinely would have taken a draw. I feel we have nt pushed on at all but every time I say it some posters say I'm anti Kerry. Kerry have been very mediocre this year and even in last years final we stumbled over a Galway team that were much weaker than this year's team. I watched Kerry v Mayo recently ( last years quarter final) and I posted on it too that David Moran was brilliant that day and we might not have beaten them without him as was Paul Geaney. We were nt at the races midfield today. I love Diarmuid as a baller but I have made my concerns know b4 about him midfield. Maybe half forward his position. Only for Shane Ryan and David Clifford today it could have been a massacre. Tom Sullivan is another brilliant player but has struggled on Ryan Ó Donoghue on a few occasions. Jack and selectors have to take a fair share of blame today. Tbf we improved 2nd half although not on the score. The game against Cork now is so important and Cork will be rubbing their hands. Scoring could be important in this group yet as I feel there are more twists in this group. You are nervous before any game from my reading here. You are way too negative. Bad day at the office. 1 Win gets you out of the group. Long way to go yet but vast improvements required. |
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Post by The16thMan on May 20, 2023 16:50:57 GMT
Kerry lost and with it comes a 28 year home record. Yes the disappointing performance hurts but I think there would been a lot of 'only the league' mentality around the camp. We haven't clicked yet this year. This game will humble Kerry some bit I would expect. Team selection needs to be looked at also. At least 3 fellas who started today have played themselves out of future starting places. The real test will be if we learn from this, if not questions will be asked and rightly so
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 16:52:35 GMT
It wasn't any 1 player today at fault...it was the collective and management have to take responsibility for that. As for David Clifford going for goals instead of points,he went for goals because we needed goals. We pulled it back at one stage by taking our points, had we taken the easy point instead of going for goal we would have been level. We stumbled over the line against Dublin & Galway last year and had Mayo taken their chances they would have beaten us but we showed more grit & intensity last year to win it. That has been missing all this year. |
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Post by exiled on May 20, 2023 16:53:51 GMT
I was nervous beforehand and genuinely would have taken a draw. I feel we have nt pushed on at all but every time I say it some posters say I'm anti Kerry. Kerry have been very mediocre this year and even in last years final we stumbled over a Galway team that were much weaker than this year's team. I watched Kerry v Mayo recently ( last years quarter final) and I posted on it too that David Moran was brilliant that day and we might not have beaten them without him as was Paul Geaney. We were nt at the races midfield today. I love Diarmuid as a baller but I have made my concerns know b4 about him midfield. Maybe half forward his position. Only for Shane Ryan and David Clifford today it could have been a massacre. Tom Sullivan is another brilliant player but has struggled on Ryan Ó Donoghue on a few occasions. Jack and selectors have to take a fair share of blame today. Tbf we improved 2nd half although not on the score. The game against Cork now is so important and Cork will be rubbing their hands. Scoring could be important in this group yet as I feel there are more twists in this group. You are nervous before any game from my reading here. You are way too negative. Bad day at the office. 1 Win gets you out of the group. Long way to go yet but vast improvements required. Typical post..not seeing the truth. Kerry have regressed since last year and today showed just how much they have gone back. There is no magic wand.Does anybody on here see us winning the AI this year. We won't know if they have improved until the quarter finals as Cork Louth should not be any problem. |
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 16:56:17 GMT
I was nervous beforehand and genuinely would have taken a draw. I feel we have nt pushed on at all but every time I say it some posters say I'm anti Kerry. Kerry have been very mediocre this year and even in last years final we stumbled over a Galway team that were much weaker than this year's team. I watched Kerry v Mayo recently ( last years quarter final) and I posted on it too that David Moran was brilliant that day and we might not have beaten them without him as was Paul Geaney. We were nt at the races midfield today. I love Diarmuid as a baller but I have made my concerns know b4 about him midfield. Maybe half forward his position. Only for Shane Ryan and David Clifford today it could have been a massacre. Tom Sullivan is another brilliant player but has struggled on Ryan Ó Donoghue on a few occasions. Jack and selectors have to take a fair share of blame today. Tbf we improved 2nd half although not on the score. The game against Cork now is so important and Cork will be rubbing their hands. Scoring could be important in this group yet as I feel there are more twists in this group. You are nervous before any game from my reading here. You are way too negative. Bad day at the office. 1 Win gets you out of the group. Long way to go yet but vast improvements required. We have been saying that since the first game in the League yet there has been zero improvement!! |
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Post by horsebox77 on May 20, 2023 16:58:27 GMT
Wow, steady the horse lads, beat Cork, Louth finish second, home preliminary quarter... not the end of world, need to get a bit of perspective. Yes we were poor but relax the kacks
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 20, 2023 17:00:00 GMT
Congratulations to Mayo firstly.
Beaten on every line and we can have no complaints.
You really are hero to zero in Kerry in a blink of an eye.
DublinMick is a prime example always looking to critise Kerry at any opportunity.
We lost, we look well off it, And some lads ate dealing with more than football.
Perspective.
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Post by onlykerry on May 20, 2023 17:01:34 GMT
Poor performance from Kerry that lacked intensity for lengthy periods. Second best in too many positions and physically bossed in the middle.
Despite this Mayo failed to really put us away and could have paid the price if our shooting was a bit better.
Reality check for Kerry and the fear is we are missing some pieces of the jigsaw required to retain the AI this year. Clinging to the memory of nearly losing to Sligo some years ago before the ship was righted...
On an aside - is there any need to re-develop Fitzgerald Stadium when only 23,000 (with a large number of children in that) bothered to attend a prime fixture between two sides that have realistic aspirations of winning this years AI and the game was not on public TV. Spending 72m for what???
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 17:05:16 GMT
At this stage Louth need to be taken seriously as well. If Cork & Louth nullify D Clifford the game is up for grabs with flatness & lack of leadership in this current Kerry side.
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Post by legendz on May 20, 2023 17:05:39 GMT
Flat first half from Kerry. Mayo fully deserving winners. Mayo as a Seed 3 is bizarre when Louth, Clare and Sligo are all Seed 2. Seed 2, 3 and 4 should be on league placing. League winners as Round 1 opponent is a disadvantage of winning a province!
Mayo played Tyrone in a challenge game during their 6 week recovery. A more sterner challenge than Kerry got in Munster.
Today is a wake-up call. We'll see over the next month or so how they respond. Two wins to secure a home playoff in Killarney. High chance of Dublin, Galway or Derry after that in the quarter-finals.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 20, 2023 17:18:38 GMT
Barry Dan did show well in the league but clearly management in their wisdom have gone with the trialed and failed yet again. Adrian Spillane and Barry Dan are worth some time at this stage starting in midfield and it's a pity Gavin 'mush' O'Brien is plying his trade in NY, he would have been a good option around the place in an area Kerry are clearly coming up short in.
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 17:32:34 GMT
Barry Dan did show well in the league but clearly management in their wisdom have gone with the trialed and failed yet again. Adrian Spillane and Barry Dan are worth some time at this stage starting in midfield and it's a pity Gavin 'mush' O'Brien is plying his trade in NY, he would have been a good option around the place in an area Kerry are clearly coming up short in. Seeing Jack Barry constantly on his back on the ground and D O Connor hiding in games has gone on too long. Barry Dan is slower but is tough and holds his ground. A Spillane has grit in him and a good spoiler. It's the position on the field that has to be sorted out first & foremost. As for Tony Brosnan & Dara Moynihan it's simple just don't start them at least, neither have the mentality for this level despite being given chance after chance. |
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Post by piskin on May 20, 2023 17:36:57 GMT
Mayo have improved bigtime from last year and that is down to McStay. They are faster and McStay used his subs well today but they coughed up a lot of chances today that were not put away by our forwards.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 20, 2023 18:22:44 GMT
Kevin McStay should have got the Mayo job years ago. No BS and a wily fox and proven manager and leader of men. Great credit to Mayo and fully deserving winners today.
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Post by oldschool on May 20, 2023 18:30:11 GMT
Beats me how otherwise good forwards just blast the ball at the goalie when a goal is on. Colm Cooper would never have done that. A bit of coaching  ? Saw Mayo at the same?? Is the side-step a forgotten skill in Gaelic Football? |
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Post by oldschool on May 20, 2023 18:36:04 GMT
Kevin McStay should have got the Mayo job years ago. No BS and a wily fox and proven manager and leader of men. Great credit to Mayo and fully deserving winners today. True. He did ok in Roscommon when he was manager there |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 20, 2023 18:47:12 GMT
Unfortunately we’ll not come near winning an all Ireland with our current midfield options.
Teams will be licking their lips at the thought of playing us, we can be pushed around too easily. The dominance at midfield today was energy sapping, dominated physically and in terms of character.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 20, 2023 19:08:36 GMT
Kevin McStay should have got the Mayo job years ago. No BS and a wily fox and proven manager and leader of men. Great credit to Mayo and fully deserving winners today. True. He did ok in Roscommon when he was manager there Did a great job at club level too. He managed St Bridges of Roscommon to become All Ireland senior club champions back in 2013 when they beat Ballymun K. |
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Post by tralee58 on May 20, 2023 19:41:43 GMT
Barry Dan did show well in the league but clearly management in their wisdom have gone with the trialed and failed yet again. Adrian Spillane and Barry Dan are worth some time at this stage starting in midfield and it's a pity Gavin 'mush' O'Brien is plying his trade in NY, he would have been a good option around the place in an area Kerry are clearly coming up short in. Seeing Jack Barry constantly on his back on the ground and D O Connor hiding in games has gone on too long. Barry Dan is slower but is tough and holds his ground. A Spillane has grit in him and a good spoiler. It's the position on the field that has to be sorted out first & foremost. As for Tony Brosnan & Dara Moynihan it's simple just don't start them at least, neither have the mentality for this level despite being given chance after chance. |
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Post by jrmanula on May 20, 2023 19:45:35 GMT
As a Mayo man I was obviously delighted if also surprised with the result.
Kerry will regroup and have a big say yet.
Clifford is impossible to mark.
Pity to see Kerry supporters leaving early,maybe Paudie was right.
Delighted A oShea got MOM.He gets dogs abuse particularly from the Dubs forums
Nice to see the Kerry goalie having a blinder, another man that seems to constantly under pressure.
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