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Post by Jo90 on Jun 21, 2023 8:25:57 GMT
Semi final against Monaghan fixed for this Saturday at 2.30pm in Tullamore. Monaghan seniors will be on after it v Kildare. 2nd semi Derry v Dublin is on at 5.30pm Sunday evening in Armagh. Christ, there will be some crowd from Monaghan.. wowee, we'll be seriously outnumbered. To protect these 16 and 17 year olds, weren't the GAA supposed to stop minor games going on before senior games especially if the same county was taking part in both?
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Post by Joxer on Jun 21, 2023 8:53:20 GMT
They were but y'know.... One thing you can guarantee is that if we were playing in the Preliminary Qtr. Finals this weekend, our minors wouldn't be on before the seniors....but that's just me being bitter
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Post by thehermit on Jun 21, 2023 14:05:26 GMT
They were but y'know.... One thing you can guarantee is that if we were playing in the Preliminary Qtr. Finals this weekend, our minors wouldn't be on before the seniors....but that's just me being bitter Experience makes you bitter in my, ah, experience
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 21, 2023 15:43:00 GMT
They were but y'know.... One thing you can guarantee is that if we were playing in the Preliminary Qtr. Finals this weekend, our minors wouldn't be on before the seniors....but that's just me being bitter My interest in following minors has dwindled since they changed to U17 but my memory (perhaps fading) of following Kerry Minor games up to then was that up to the AI SF stage games were never curtain raisers for senior fixtures (provincial final being the other exception obviously). QF's were nearly always played in "lesser" venues like Thurles, Tullamore etc with double header minor fixtures on occasion.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 21, 2023 16:30:59 GMT
I take it Kirby comes straight back in, although, Ben Murphy gave another sterling performance scoring 1-02. Still both have to be accommodated. I would take it that Pa Walsh will make way. Hard to make a case for any other changes, both wing forwards and their respective replacements from NK are 50/50, being honest, I would be inclined to leave as is with only Kirby coming in. Is Kirby related to William? William is Daniel’s dad.
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Post by southward on Jun 21, 2023 18:17:53 GMT
They were but y'know.... One thing you can guarantee is that if we were playing in the Preliminary Qtr. Finals this weekend, our minors wouldn't be on before the seniors....but that's just me being bitter My interest in following minors has dwindled since they changed to U17 but my memory (perhaps fading) of following Kerry Minor games up to then was that up to the AI SF stage games were never curtain raisers for senior fixtures (provincial final being the other exception obviously). QF's were nearly always played in "lesser" venues like Thurles, Tullamore etc with double header minor fixtures on occasion. I seem to remember the 2018 minor S/F v Monaghan was played before the Monaghan seniors' semi against Tyrone. Which made the win all the more commendable what with a large and vocal Monaghan support. Terrific game it was too.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 21, 2023 18:25:10 GMT
They were but y'know.... One thing you can guarantee is that if we were playing in the Preliminary Qtr. Finals this weekend, our minors wouldn't be on before the seniors....but that's just me being bitter My interest in following minors has dwindled since they changed to U17 but my memory (perhaps fading) of following Kerry Minor games up to then was that up to the AI SF stage games were never curtain raisers for senior fixtures (provincial final being the other exception obviously). QF's were nearly always played in "lesser" venues like Thurles, Tullamore etc with double header minor fixtures on occasion. That was the usual case alright but the odd exception- Kerry v Tyrone was part of a triple header with Kerry-Down & Tyrone-Dublin in 2010.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 23, 2023 14:05:48 GMT
What is the feelings on this, I have a fear we may just come up short, just about, maybe one score game.. I hope I'm wrong, but the gut is unfortunately leaning towards Monaghan.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 23, 2023 14:40:53 GMT
What is the feelings on this, I have a fear we may just come up short, just about, maybe one score game.. I hope I'm wrong, but the gut is unfortunately leaning towards Monaghan. Up against it. Monaghan are a huge physical team that look like they've done lots of weights. Trashed the Connaught Champions by 8 points. Kerry will need to take a very % of their chances particularly any goal chances that come their way. I'm hopeful of a good plan to combat this physicality I.e. quick quality ball.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 23, 2023 14:47:45 GMT
What is the feelings on this, I have a fear we may just come up short, just about, maybe one score game.. I hope I'm wrong, but the gut is unfortunately leaning towards Monaghan. Up against it. Monaghan are a huge physical team that look like they've done lots of weights. Trashed the Connaught Champions by 8 points. Kerry will need to take a very % of their chances particularly any goal chances that come their way. I'm hopeful of a good plan to combat this physicality I.e. quick quality ball. The majority of our scores, the goals in particular all cone from deep defense splitting runs right through the middle. That will not be possible against a more physically imposing and packed defensive unit from Monaghan. So where will the goals that are so badly needed come from? I can't see Kerry adapting their attacking style within two weeks ... I hope I'm wrong, but fear we may come up short if our goal chances are stifled.
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Post by john4 on Jun 23, 2023 22:38:28 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2023 7:37:30 GMT
Very interesting read, Mark O Connor... What should have been... Thanks for sharing John.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 24, 2023 8:32:16 GMT
What is the feelings on this, I have a fear we may just come up short, just about, maybe one score game.. I hope I'm wrong, but the gut is unfortunately leaning towards Monaghan. Up against it. Monaghan are a huge physical team that look like they've done lots of weights. Trashed the Connaught Champions by 8 points. Kerry will need to take a very % of their chances particularly any goal chances that come their way. I'm hopeful of a good plan to combat this physicality I.e. quick quality ball. They have big ambitions in Monaghan of landing the minor all Ireland this year, very strong panel not only first 15. But listen anything can happen in an all Ireland semi especially at such a tender age.
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Post by diego on Jun 24, 2023 9:14:27 GMT
Not a bad crop of minors to be fair. Never knew Liam Kearney played with New York in Carlow.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 24, 2023 9:29:26 GMT
Up against it. Monaghan are a huge physical team that look like they've done lots of weights. Trashed the Connaught Champions by 8 points. Kerry will need to take a very % of their chances particularly any goal chances that come their way. I'm hopeful of a good plan to combat this physicality I.e. quick quality ball. They have big ambitions in Monaghan of landing the minor all Ireland this year, very strong panel not only first 15. But listen anything can happen in an all Ireland semi especially at such a tender age. I think it's Derry's to lose, they put up some great results in Ulster: Derry 3-12 Donegal 0-6 Derry 1-14 Monaghan 0-6, etc. Monaghan managed a draw with them in the Ulster final before losing on penalties, but Derry looked far better IMO. However the minor hurling had a similar pattern with Galway trashing everyone by 10pts or more and then lost the final to Clare.
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2023 14:09:35 GMT
Boll*cks anyway. Jammy goal. Dodgy free in the first place and the time was well up in any case.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 24, 2023 14:18:34 GMT
Boll*cks anyway. Jammy goal. Dodgy free in the first place and the time was well up in any case. Ref giving easy frees to Monaghan!!
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 24, 2023 15:04:01 GMT
Flicking over and back between minor game and the Roscommon V Cork game - the contrast in refereeing is astounding. Difficult to believe the same rule book is being used.
Disappointing loss for Kerry in a close game where a fortuitous goal proved to be the difference.
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Post by pukefootball on Jun 24, 2023 15:04:53 GMT
The minute that Monaghan went 3 points up at the start of the second half, I knew it was curtains. Our comeback ability at underage is non-existent, and when you’re up against a strong and physical team like Monaghan, I couldn’t see any chance of us winning. Monaghan well deserved of their victory, we bottled handy chances and our decision-making was brutal. Going for points from 40-60 yards and running into Monaghan traffic continuously was hard watching. Another year of what could have been in underage.
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2023 15:38:14 GMT
Coward troll registering after the game in multiple accounts to slag off young lads. F*ck right off will you.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 24, 2023 15:39:45 GMT
Disappointing for sure but Monaghan deserved their win. Breaking ball killed us especially in first half. Lessons need to be learned but tbf they are young lads and tried hard. Saved me typing, the above sums it up perfectly. Unlucky, but in honesty, the better team won.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2023 16:33:20 GMT
Sport is cruel and unfortunately that goal was the difference.
Monaghan deserved it in the end.
Kerry had chances but unfortunately it didn't come off for us.
It's Monaghans first final since the 50s and I hope the win it now.
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Post by mack21 on Jun 24, 2023 17:12:56 GMT
So unfair to make Kerry play in front of such a big Monaghan following. A crowd like that makes a difference to young lads....and sways a ref in the tight calls.
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2023 17:25:02 GMT
It's an indictment of the modern game that Monaghan managed to win despite almost never kicking the football. Three points from play they got.
The goal was a real sickener, just when Kerry were getting on top. You just knew it was going to be decisive.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 24, 2023 19:32:32 GMT
Monaghan get to their first minor final since 1939 and first final of any sort in 70 years. Sligo also got to their first u20/u21 by beating Kerry in the semi.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 24, 2023 20:21:11 GMT
Saved me typing, the above sums it up perfectly. Unlucky, but in honesty, the better team won. True Horse but once lessons are learned we l go again next year. That Evan Boyle could be a future star. Watch Boyle since way underage, serious talent and in my opinion the best big ball prospect of the house hold.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 24, 2023 20:36:11 GMT
It is likely that there are a small number of players who played today who are still 15 years of age so we must be measured in our comments.
Having said that I think people are skirting around the edges. The better footballers today lost that game. Good footballers playing at a pedestrian pace is throwing away their advantage. Did any Kerry player break into any kind of a stride that was any faster than a trot at any time in the game? I have seen faster creativity in division 7, "B" teams. You get the impression that management would see no role here for Jack McCaffrey.
A very talented team have sold themselves so short in so many games this year.
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Post by kerrysouth on Jun 24, 2023 20:36:44 GMT
While the result was disappointing I think the boys and management can hold their heads high as I have been saying in all the previous posts that we just lacked the quality to win an all Ireland this year and even if we won I don’t think we would have beaten the winners of Derry / Dublin tomorrow.A real lack of pace and mobility around the middle third and a forward line dependant on one player held to two points from play today was always going to going to be on a knife age in these type of games .The amount of mistakes and turnovers by both teams was huge today and I was disappointed with the skill levels of some of the Kerry players kicking and soloing especially.I also think the crowd factor was huge today and very unfair on Kerry as looking at the squad the majority would not have experienced this type of occasion even at colleges level .Thel lack of quality off the bench and indeed on the bench was another key factor as I think we really lacked strength in depth in the squad this year and 4 starting forwards substituted tells its own story.I do think Wayne is a good manager and winning Munster after an initial loss v Cork is a good achievement but maybe having too many players from his own club on the panel all deserving of course could have been a distraction that he could have done without.Lastly I do think minor has to be restored to U18 sooner rather than later .
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 24, 2023 20:48:30 GMT
Is minor reverting to u18 in 2024?
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Post by john4 on Jun 24, 2023 21:51:14 GMT
Is minor reverting to u18 in 2024? Club Minor will revert to U18 afaik but not I/C Irish Independent Colm Keys Sat 18 Feb 2023 at 13:58 Inter-county minor will remain an U-17 competition after attempts to restore it to U-18 were resisted. At this morning's session of GAA Congress, just 32pc supported motions from Tyrone, Kerry and Longford proposing a return to U-18. The motion was rejected largely on the basis that it would increase the pressures on elite players in their 18th year who would again be eligible for inter-county minor teams and their club's adult teams too, in addition to second level activity. Armagh delegate Paul Duggan told the gathering that the Association was "duty bound to try and limit the number of teams that a talented 18 year is available for," adding that Congress would be doing a "great disservice to the welfare of our young players," if the motion for change was carried.
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