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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 25, 2023 16:12:04 GMT
Venue is being finalised this evening, yes?
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Post by thehermit on Apr 25, 2023 18:23:14 GMT
Yes
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Post by kerry1974 on Apr 25, 2023 18:45:07 GMT
I think I read in the examiner decision at 9pm tonight.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 25, 2023 20:25:20 GMT
Hopefully Clare follow through and ask for the home/away agreement to extend to finals from next year.
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Post by john4 on Apr 25, 2023 20:47:56 GMT
That's a pity, I hope it's a fine day and get a spot on the open stand. I can't believe that whoever designed the Mackey Stand ever attended a match in his/her life. The slope is dreadfully flat.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 25, 2023 21:12:15 GMT
From a purely selfish point of view the Gaelic Grounds is going to be a far easier trip to make coming from a stag with a hangover the size of Clare, good decision Munster council
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 25, 2023 21:19:48 GMT
So we're off to Limerick guys, I can't remember the last time Kerry played there.. it must have been Mayo 2014?.. Nice to get to a different venue anyways. I'd be surprised if there was anything over 15k in attendance.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 26, 2023 9:27:55 GMT
The last time I was in the Gaelic Grounds for a Kerry/Clare Munster final certain cows were not milked in certain places. 31 years on, I sincerely hope the 2023 Munster final will be a more enjoyable experience that my first Munster final was
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 26, 2023 9:51:22 GMT
The last time I was in the Gaelic Grounds for a Kerry/Clare Munster final certain cows were not milked in certain places. 31 years on, I sincerely hope the 2023 Munster final will be a more enjoyable experience that my first Munster final was I still have 'Who the F*** is Jacko?' ringing in my ears.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 26, 2023 10:52:32 GMT
The last time I was in the Gaelic Grounds for a Kerry/Clare Munster final certain cows were not milked in certain places. 31 years on, I sincerely hope the 2023 Munster final will be a more enjoyable experience that my first Munster final was I still have 'Who the F*** is Jacko?' ringing in my ears. A very enthusiastic female Clare supporter nearly took my Dad's eye out with the yellow and blue flag she was wildly swinging about at the full time whistle.
Needless to says my father's already pitch dark mood failed to lift for the rest of the night, despite stopping off in every second pub from Limerick to the Halfway on the journey home
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 28, 2023 9:54:58 GMT
Tickets on sale now €35 for both stands and €25 for ennis road terrace. Still a bit steep, price wise, in my opinion for whats on offer. Only consolations are we've a double header with the ladies game vs Cork and it's a slight reduction on the €40 I paid last year vs Limerick.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 28, 2023 11:37:40 GMT
I still have 'Who the F*** is Jacko?' ringing in my ears. A very enthusiastic female Clare supporter nearly took my Dad's eye out with the yellow and blue flag she was wildly swinging about at the full time whistle.
Needless to says my father's already pitch dark mood failed to lift for the rest of the night, despite stopping off in every second pub from Limerick to the Halfway on the journey home Was there a consensus that it would be business as usual and we'd win by just walking onto the grass? My dad God bless him now told his fellow match day passengers that Clare would win that day. Was it expected? As for Jacko, well he is still an all time great. Ah maybe my auld head is in overdrive here but on the subject of greats, and yes I feel haunted here with Vet missing - he had a noble view on this, but could anyone venture into comparing greats of big and small ball? Yes, mad I am.. Jimmy Barry Murphy, Ray Cummins, Paul Galvin and of course the greatest of 'em IMO would be Ballydonoghue's Bunyan brothers - dual players are my Gods. And here's a right trivia - would rugby, and indeed soccer be closer relations to our big ball than hurling and which has to be a cousin of golf? On the face of it my line of thought sounds crazy but what to me defies the law of genetics is how individuals can be greats in contrasting codes. We should be so grateful to have even one of these codes but to have both is, well truly awesome. I think we re blinded by it all - no other country in the whole wide world has anything near - ah maybe Wales and Rugby but sure aren't we handy at that too and Johnny Bunyan was able for the rabbit. I'd say I'm putting the fear of God into laddos who he played Gaelic codes with, well against I mean. Looking at this weekends fixtures, you'd want to have nothing else to be doing - teetotaller writer Bryan MacMahon used to say that he'd be intoxicated from conversations at Puck - if others had his antennae we'd all be legless come cow time these Sabbaths. On reflection maybe that's why Freud couldn't figure us out as we are permanently, well plastered? - Him above bragged that He sat on his backside on a Sunday so now, there you go - who are the real Gods? Yerra maybe he wasn't such a bad auld latchico but sure a deir MOM, great an all as that auld hoor Lazarus was he couldn't kick points like Colin Corkery - the plot thickens when dwelling on the subject of Gods.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 28, 2023 11:53:18 GMT
A very enthusiastic female Clare supporter nearly took my Dad's eye out with the yellow and blue flag she was wildly swinging about at the full time whistle.
Needless to says my father's already pitch dark mood failed to lift for the rest of the night, despite stopping off in every second pub from Limerick to the Halfway on the journey home Was there a consensus that it would be business as usual and we'd win by just walking onto the grass? My dad God bless him now told his fellow match day passengers that Clare would win that day. Was it expected? I was way too young to know anything more than Kerry was my team and they had won loads of All Irelands - my Dad had a poster of the 86 team hung on my bedroom wall since I was in my cot.
I'd assume that at the time my father's generation understood Kerry well past what they had been 7-8 years before but they had reached the All Ireland semi-final the year before and to paraphrase a certain legendary Scottish manager I would surmise the general feeling was 'lads its Clare'. I'm sure older posters could shed more light on that.
But if the reaction to Kerry performance against the Clare U20's last week is anything to go by, I'd suspect that now, as well as back then, there was this attitude that a Clare football team is something that doesn't arouse the same level of respect as certain other counties.
I hope that attitude doesn't take hold of the Kerry team for next week or we could be in for a few hairy hours!
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Post by john4 on Apr 28, 2023 11:55:59 GMT
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 28, 2023 12:02:32 GMT
The main focus in the build up was the controversial dropping of Ambrose for 19 year old Seamus Moynihan. Kerry had beaten Clare by 13 points in Ennis in 91 so a shock wasn't predicted by many. Limerick should have beaten Kerry in the 91 final, so that might have weighed on some people's minds.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 28, 2023 12:45:10 GMT
Was there a consensus that it would be business as usual and we'd win by just walking onto the grass? My dad God bless him now told his fellow match day passengers that Clare would win that day. Was it expected? I was way too young to know anything more than Kerry was my team and they had won loads of All Irelands - my Dad had a poster of the 86 team hung on my bedroom wall since I was in my cot. I'd assume that at the time my father's generation understood Kerry well past what they had been 7-8 years before but they had reached the All Ireland semi-final the year before and to paraphrase a certain legendary Scottish manager I would surmise the general feeling was 'lads its Clare'. I'm sure older posters could shed more light on that. But if the reaction to Kerry performance against the Clare U20's last week is anything to go by, I'd suspect that now, as well as back then, there was this attitude that a Clare football team is something that doesn't arouse the same level of respect as certain other counties. I hope that attitude doesn't take hold of the Kerry team for next week or we could be in for a few hairy hours!
My auld pal Eamon Ned Kennelly, brother of the horse, tells a great yarn about League seasons - apparently a host made a derogatory remark about us and to which wan of our own countered that 'we like going to placed we haven't been before' and if you think about that a second time your shoulders will drop!
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 28, 2023 14:23:53 GMT
The main focus in the build up was the controversial dropping of Ambrose for 19 year old Seamus Moynihan. Kerry had beaten Clare by 13 points in Ennis in 91 so a shock wasn't predicted by many. Limerick should have beaten Kerry in the 91 final, so that might have weighed on some people's minds. In hindsight, that wasn’t the worst Kerry team on paper; Peter O’Leary, Stephen Stack, Anthony Gleeson, Eamon Breen, Liam Flaherty, Sean Burke, Connie Murphy, Noel O’Mahoney, Seamus Moynihan, Sean Geaney, Timmy Fleming, Maurice Fitzgerald, Karl O’Dwyer, Jacko and Billy Shea. … eight went on to win the Sam in 97… off the bench that day was Rosie, Pa Laide and Noel O’Leary… I always felt certain players of that era were fair unlucky, Connie, Anthony Gleeson and Timmy Fleming really grafted hard in the lean years…
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Post by peanuts on Apr 28, 2023 14:31:59 GMT
The main focus in the build up was the controversial dropping of Ambrose for 19 year old Seamus Moynihan. Kerry had beaten Clare by 13 points in Ennis in 91 so a shock wasn't predicted by many. Limerick should have beaten Kerry in the 91 final, so that might have weighed on some people's minds. In hindsight, that wasn’t the worst Kerry team on paper; Peter O’Leary, Stephen Stack, Anthony Gleeson, Eamon Breen, Liam Flaherty, Sean Burke, Connie Murphy, Noel O’Mahoney, Seamus Moynihan, Sean Geaney, Timmy Fleming, Maurice Fitzgerald, Karl O’Dwyer, Jacko and Billy Shea. … eight went on to win the Sam in 97… off the bench that day was Rosie, Pa Laide and Noel O’Leary… I always felt certain players of that era were fair unlucky, Connie, Anthony Gleeson and Timmy Fleming really grafted hard in the lean years… Might not be a bad team on paper but they were shockingly bad that day. I saw the game again on TG4 or Setanta sports a few years ago. If you swapped free takers that day Kerry would've lost by 8 or 9 points. Maurice's frees kept Kerry in the game while the Clare freetaker missed a lot of scorable frees.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 28, 2023 14:52:21 GMT
Missed a Penalty too, if my memory is correct?
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Post by thehermit on Apr 28, 2023 21:59:23 GMT
Cheers for posting the link, was watching it back there. Not a game for the purists anyway. Mad to see the footage of Moynihan so young at the start.
But yeah some poor, poor football from Kerry that day. Still if Jacko hadn't blazed that shot over the bar it might have been a different story at the end.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 29, 2023 8:21:27 GMT
Timmy Fleming was a very good footballer but decided to retire from inter County very young. Anthony Gleeson and Connie Murphy very good players and unlucky not to win all Ireland medals. 1992 was a strange year. Clare gave Dublin a good game in the semi while Donegal beat Mayo in one of the worst semis ever played. Donegal were lucky to beat an average Cavan team after a replay and were rank outsiders for final before playing great football to beat the Dubs in a massive shock. Kerry were very poor that day v Clare although they had good players. Kerry beat a very good Cork side in Páirc Uí Caoimhh. It was a massive shock but make no mistake about it Clare deserved their victory. Ambrose being dropped was the big story and don't think he ever played for Kerry again although he was only 30 or 31. I was always a huge fan of Gleeson, I was full back underage and used watch everything he did in matches, he was so underrated. I remember Ambrose talking on radio one time, I'm nearly sure he played league in 1993, I must root out an old programme for 1993. I know vs Cork, that day Dermot Hanafin and Bernard McElligott were in the middle and Noel O'Mahony came in at HT... so I envisage if he was on the bench he'd have cone in.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 29, 2023 8:27:27 GMT
Timmy Fleming was a very good footballer but decided to retire from inter County very young. Anthony Gleeson and Connie Murphy very good players and unlucky not to win all Ireland medals. 1992 was a strange year. Clare gave Dublin a good game in the semi while Donegal beat Mayo in one of the worst semis ever played. Donegal were lucky to beat an average Cavan team after a replay and were rank outsiders for final before playing great football to beat the Dubs in a massive shock. Kerry were very poor that day v Clare although they had good players. Kerry beat a very good Cork side in Páirc Uí Caoimhh. It was a massive shock but make no mistake about it Clare deserved their victory. Ambrose being dropped was the big story and don't think he ever played for Kerry again although he was only 30 or 31. I was always a huge fan of Gleeson, I was full back underage and used watch everything he did in matches, he was so underrated. I remember Ambrose talking on radio one time, I'm nearly sure he played league in 1993, I must root out an old programme for 1993. I know vs Cork, that day Dermot Hanafin and Bernard McElligott were in the middle and Noel O'Mahony came in at HT... so I envisage if he was on the bench he'd have cone in. Ya, Ambrose played in the 1982/1993 league, played the three Autumn league games at full back, final game was that November, 1992 vs of all teams Kilkenny.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 29, 2023 13:58:28 GMT
Only consolations are we've a double header with the ladies game vs Cork and it's a slight reduction on the €40 I paid last year vs Limerick. Disappointing news on Radio Kerry today that the ladies match will now not preceed the mens munster final. From what Darragh Long was saying it seems as if it was because it was some condition that it had to be a Kerry Cork Munster Final in Killarney and be a Kerry Cork double header. Disappointed for the senior ladies as they are being punished for Cork mens seniors not making the Munster Final. Also disappointing for the supporters as many would have been looking forward to a womens/mens double header, myself included.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 29, 2023 19:47:55 GMT
Only consolations are we've a double header with the ladies game vs Cork and it's a slight reduction on the €40 I paid last year vs Limerick. Disappointing news on Radio Kerry today that the ladies match will now not preceed the mens munster final. From what Darragh Long was saying it seems as if it was because it was some condition that it had to be a Kerry Cork Munster Final in Killarney and be a Kerry Cork double header. Disappointed for the senior ladies as they are being punished for Cork mens seniors not making the Munster Final. Also disappointing for the supporters as many would have been looking forward to a womens/mens double header, myself included. In fairness to Cork, they played last year's Munster ladies final in Killarney. They're entitled to this year's final in Cork.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 29, 2023 20:53:48 GMT
Disappointing news on Radio Kerry today that the ladies match will now not preceed the mens munster final. From what Darragh Long was saying it seems as if it was because it was some condition that it had to be a Kerry Cork Munster Final in Killarney and be a Kerry Cork double header. Disappointed for the senior ladies as they are being punished for Cork mens seniors not making the Munster Final. Also disappointing for the supporters as many would have been looking forward to a womens/mens double header, myself included. In fairness to Cork, they played last year's Munster ladies final in Killarney. They're entitled to this year's final in Cork. Not sure it's a Munster Final, I think it's round robin but I could be wrong.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 29, 2023 21:06:22 GMT
In fairness to Cork, they played last year's Munster ladies final in Killarney. They're entitled to this year's final in Cork. Not sure it's a Munster Final, I think it's round robin but I could be wrong. Apologies, you are correct. I jumped to the conclusion that it was the final.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 1, 2023 9:49:10 GMT
Can anyone see any changes to our Tipperary lineup. For me I can only see one, Briòn O’Beaglaoich for Paul Murphy. I can in my own head make a case for Barry Dan, his tackle breaking and support play is a different dynamic to the defensive duty applied to Jack Barry. Whereas, I’ve always been a fan of the Na Gaeil duo as an inter county partnership, if we are chasing a game and need to punch holes in a defensive line, the Dingle man is best equipped for such a role.
Still, Jack is a minimalist with regard to changes, unless there are knocks r enforced changes, therefore, I can only realistically see one in defence.
Another part of me wonders, will the footballers get a bounce from the display of their small ball counterparts. Everyone foresees a foregone conclusion, I think we’re in for a right battle and rattle but still, I envisage by the hour mark we’ll be pulling away.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on May 1, 2023 11:12:50 GMT
Can anyone see any changes to our Tipperary lineup. For me I can only see one, Briòn O’Beaglaoich for Paul Murphy. I can in my own head make a case for Barry Dan, his tackle breaking and support play is a different dynamic to the defensive duty applied to Jack Barry. Whereas, I’ve always been a fan of the Na Gaeil duo as an inter county partnership, if we are chasing a game and need to punch holes in a defensive line, the Dingle man is best equipped for such a role. Still, Jack is a minimalist with regard to changes, unless there are knocks r enforced changes, therefore, I can only realistically see one in defence. Another part of me wonders, will the footballers get a bounce from the display of their small ball counterparts. Everyone foresees a foregone conclusion, I think we’re in for a right battle and rattle but still, I envisage by the hour mark we’ll be pulling away. I’d like to see Adrian Spillane come in to bring some physicality and a better balance to the forward line. Whether it’s Brosnan, Moynihan or Geaney who loses out is a tough one. Agree with Beaglaoich for Murphy as well.
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Post by The16thMan on May 1, 2023 11:45:42 GMT
Can anyone see any changes to our Tipperary lineup. For me I can only see one, Briòn O’Beaglaoich for Paul Murphy. I can in my own head make a case for Barry Dan, his tackle breaking and support play is a different dynamic to the defensive duty applied to Jack Barry. Whereas, I’ve always been a fan of the Na Gaeil duo as an inter county partnership, if we are chasing a game and need to punch holes in a defensive line, the Dingle man is best equipped for such a role. Still, Jack is a minimalist with regard to changes, unless there are knocks r enforced changes, therefore, I can only realistically see one in defence. Another part of me wonders, will the footballers get a bounce from the display of their small ball counterparts. Everyone foresees a foregone conclusion, I think we’re in for a right battle and rattle but still, I envisage by the hour mark we’ll be pulling away. I’d like to see Adrian Spillane come in to bring some physicality and a better balance to the forward line. Whether it’s Brosnan, Moynihan or Geaney who loses out is a tough one. Agree with Beaglaoich for Murphy as well. I'd agree, Adrian in for maybe Moynihan. Especially with Clare's midfield. They are very strong around the middle third. We'll need more physicality there against the bigger teams and Adrian brings that. I'd leave the full forward line alone, with every team jumping on the 'double mark Clifford' bandwagon now, we'll need other scorers on the team which is what Geaney and Brosnan bring.
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Post by thehermit on May 2, 2023 10:25:49 GMT
€35 is a bit steep for a game like this, esp given the new Championship format, don't you think? Can't remember what I paid for the Limerick game last year, I assume similar?
But given the new format you'd wonder about the ticket pricing for provincial championships going forward considering provincial finals, esp in Munster and Leinster, have lost their luster and we now have to fork out for so many more games in the All Ireland.
In a given year now you'll be paying for 3 groups games, possibly a preliminary Q-final and then three more games after all going well.
Potentially 7 games on the back of 2-3 provincial games and 7 League matches.
I wonder what the pricing format will be for these new groups games but you'd have to hope the GAA sees since and doesn't take the pi$$.
I'd suspect the attendance for Sunday will suffer given the pricing and the knowledge that Kerry fans have so many other games to be going to over the next month and a half.
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