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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 6, 2023 14:52:39 GMT
Desire is probably one question to be asked! 2nd its not a great sample size one run ie had conroy just burst up the field a few times and was gassed how many runs in last 5 minutes had both made etc etc. Mccarthy is an athletic freak in fairness but some day fairly soon he will wilt as everyone does time waits for no man. Very true, Hes a remarkable player.
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Post by taggert on Jul 6, 2023 20:28:06 GMT
JM one of the all time greats no doubt.
Has remarkable stamina, is a brilliant footballer and while more a long distance operator than a sprinter such as Murchan or Jack Mc, he is really hard to stop/catch in full flight.
Incidentally, Conroy burned him with a quick burst in the first half, earning JM a deserved yellow....
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Post by Hicser on Jul 6, 2023 22:36:04 GMT
There is a certain hardness and honesty about JM that makes you like him. Would defo be my favorite Dublin player. We’d adore him if he was from Kerry, he’s exactly the type of midfielder we need
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 15, 2023 15:06:54 GMT
One thing I will be looking out for in the Dublin game today is the performance Con O'Callaghan. He has been very ordinary so far this year. I have said before that he is a footballer with limited strings on his bow, but it must be said that he did "ferret out" goals when necessary. These movements were rehearsed in training and were not the product of creative genius in the heat of battle but they paved the way for Dublin wins in many games. I still think that Dublin might have a couple of goal poaching drills up their sleeves but only for emergency use. There are too many players from the Gavin era who benefitted from these in the past not to have convinced Dessie.
If it is tight after 55 minutes I will be keeping an eye on Con. Of course Dublin could be out of sight by then.
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Post by hatchetman on Jul 15, 2023 16:12:36 GMT
Kilkenny on the bench, is he injured?
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Post by kingdomofciar on Jul 15, 2023 17:22:30 GMT
Dublin up by one at half time.... A couple of phantom frees....
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Post by forpucksake on Jul 15, 2023 18:11:49 GMT
Dublin up by one at half time.... A couple of phantom frees.... The ref was never letting Dublin out of Croke Park with anything else but a win. That stank of achieving an agenda today.
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Post by percentageplay on Jul 15, 2023 18:17:15 GMT
Dublin up by one at half time.... A couple of phantom frees.... The ref was never letting Dublin out of Croke Park with anything else but a win. That stank of achieving an agenda today. Ah give over, that was one of the best performances I have seen in Croke park in a long time. Agenda... Big GAA conspiracy is it? Are Kerry in on it too?
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Post by jackiel on Jul 15, 2023 18:24:54 GMT
Realistically Hurson was quite even in is performance , pulled Con for over carrying , a few minutes later he did the same to the Monaghan player. Dublin looked fairly ordinary for most of that match, once they went 1 up they had the experience to grind out the win. Fitness probably a major factor in the difference. If we make it through tomorrow I think we can beat them. Nerves are at me now.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 15, 2023 19:02:00 GMT
Monaghan were fantastic,
Take a bow Conor McManus what a way to bow out.
Dublin pulled away but were average for large parts.
They are very beatable.
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Post by john4 on Jul 15, 2023 19:19:33 GMT
Monaghan were fantastic, Take a bow Conor McManus what a way to bow out. Dublin pulled away but were average for large parts. They are very beatable. Tactically, Monaghan set up very well in fairness. Stayed with Dublin till HT and did everything they could to stop Dublin pulling away in the 3rd Qtr. Fitzmaurice summed it up well when he said that Fenton stood up when it was still a game. If there's a lesson in this it's that we might be asked to dig very deep aswell tomorrow.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jul 15, 2023 19:29:27 GMT
One thing I will be looking out for in the Dublin game today is the performance Con O'Callaghan. He has been very ordinary so far this year. I have said before that he is a footballer with limited strings on his bow, but it must be said that he did "ferret out" goals when necessary. These movements were rehearsed in training and were not the product of creative genius in the heat of battle but they paved the way for Dublin wins in many games. I still think that Dublin might have a couple of goal poaching drills up their sleeves but only for emergency use. There are too many players from the Gavin era who benefitted from these in the past not to have convinced Dessie. If it is tight after 55 minutes I will be keeping an eye on Con. Of course Dublin could be out of sight by then. Poor again today. An incredibly overrated player, it pains me when he’s compared to Clifford.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 15, 2023 19:35:59 GMT
One thing I will be looking out for in the Dublin game today is the performance Con O'Callaghan. He has been very ordinary so far this year. I have said before that he is a footballer with limited strings on his bow, but it must be said that he did "ferret out" goals when necessary. These movements were rehearsed in training and were not the product of creative genius in the heat of battle but they paved the way for Dublin wins in many games. I still think that Dublin might have a couple of goal poaching drills up their sleeves but only for emergency use. There are too many players from the Gavin era who benefitted from these in the past not to have convinced Dessie. If it is tight after 55 minutes I will be keeping an eye on Con. Of course Dublin could be out of sight by then. Poor again today. An incredibly overrated player, it pains me when he’s compared to Clifford. Don't be jinxing us.
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jul 15, 2023 20:33:38 GMT
Another distinctly average performance from Dublin. You take Fenton out of that 2nd half and it could have been a different result. Huge respect for Monaghan who are never afraid of Dublin and kudos to Conor M on a stellar performance. They ran out of legs in the end which is when you need them most these days but especially against Dublin. They also did so well to quell the tide at the start of the 2nd half when we know the damage the dubs, of all teams, can do in that time.. If, and I mean IF we win tomorrow, the nerves will grow but right at this moment, I think they would be more afraid of Kerry than Kerry would be of them. I wonder why Monaghan kept putting their big men in the square towards the end and then never let a high ball in?
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 15, 2023 20:41:14 GMT
Well I got the answer.
Before our last game I was surprised when people thought Tyrone could beat us because they were sweating on a free by Westmeath in time added on. They had no card to play and were at the mercy of the universe. Good teams don't allow themselves to get into these situations. Today Dublin were level with Monaghan at 60 minutes. That was not where they wanted to be but all through the second half they had had no cards to play to put daylight between them. They did manage the last 10 minutes+ better purely through experience and the fact that Monaghan didn't have the stamina. Legitimate grounds for winning any game but definitely not a reason for Kerry to fear them.
Why shouldn't Kerry fear them? When the ball came to Seanie at the edge of the small square after David's outrageous pass he had a lot of work still to do. Monaghan got 2 chances like that in the first half but didn't have the experience to finish them. Dublin should have been trailing by a few at half time.
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Post by taggert on Jul 15, 2023 20:53:48 GMT
Realistically Hurson was quite even in is performance , pulled Con for over carrying , a few minutes later he did the same to the Monaghan player. Dublin looked fairly ordinary for most of that match, once they went 1 up they had the experience to grind out the win. Fitness probably a major factor in the difference. If we make it through tomorrow I think we can beat them. Nerves are at me now. He pulled Con for over carrying once but he allowed him take 7 or 8 steps later when Con gave Dublin the lead (IIRC it was to go 12 11 up). It was another big moment. For me, Con and Murchan, are notorious over carriers as they frequently take many short steps in quick succession without hopping or soloing. Its soul destroying for defenders.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 15, 2023 21:15:55 GMT
I've been watching the Dubs from very close quarters for many years and i'm pretty au fait with how certain players operate. Murchan has been getting away with overcarrying/fouling the ball throughout his career, not sure if its his lack of height that seems to let him away with it.
Personally I don't think the Dublin conspiracy theory talk helps at all.
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Post by taggert on Jul 15, 2023 21:24:34 GMT
Likewise, living and working here, I agree. Its the stature of both, low to the ground, they move at such pace but its several short steps in the blink of an eye. Not for a second am I suggesting refs are turning a blind eye to it but they have both been able to trick refs with their fleet of foot too often for my liking.
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Post by taggert on Jul 15, 2023 21:28:40 GMT
Semi finals are for winning and down the years the teams that struggled in the semis were the Victor's on All Ireland final day. Dublin deserve to be in the final and can sit back and watch now. We should nt even be thinking of Dublin yet. Tomorrow is what should be occupying our minds. We have a big hurdle to climb tomorrow and like today the weather might not be great and a few errors could be costly for either team. Hopefully we ready for all eventualities We are merely commenting on an aspect of their win. No reference on my part as to who will play them in the final. Its a thread re SAM. Far from anything but a very tough hurdle to overcome tomorrow. 👍
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Post by jackiel on Jul 15, 2023 21:46:10 GMT
Likewise, living and working here, I agree. Its the stature of both, low to the ground, they move at such pace but its several short steps in the blink of an eye. Not for a second am I suggesting refs are turning a blind eye to it but they have both been able to trick refs with their fleet of foot too often for my liking. The difference between Dublin & other teams is that they capitalize(no pun intended) on all of these little things. I've often commented that I think our Kerry lads can be "too nice", we need to learn from them and maximize the little advantages.
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Post by john4 on Jul 15, 2023 21:55:07 GMT
Likewise, living and working here, I agree. Its the stature of both, low to the ground, they move at such pace but its several short steps in the blink of an eye. Not for a second am I suggesting refs are turning a blind eye to it but they have both been able to trick refs with their fleet of foot too often for my liking. The difference between Dublin & other teams is that they capitalize(no pun intended) on all of these little things. I've often commented that I think our Kerry lads can be "too nice", we need to learn from them and maximize the little advantages. They're never thankful for a lucky break, or a piece of good fortune, but instead look for more, and expect it.
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Post by exiled on Jul 16, 2023 7:09:32 GMT
I was at the game and thought Monaghan were very good at what they do. But they are limited and Dublin never really looked in danger. I thought Mccarthy was really good when needed as was Fenton. Costello is in great form as well all year. Basquill was poor enough.
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Post by augustafield on Jul 16, 2023 10:09:42 GMT
Dubs yesterday did just as much as they wanted to win . They never were in top gear . Never once threatened a goal save Rock’s messy score .
They bought the narrative that they were going to beat Monaghan easily and played that way . That explains a very ordinary team staying with them for so long . Dubs will be a different animal in a swan song All Ireland final for some of their great players .
So let’s park this idea that they are very beatable . Kerry must take one match at a time so the absolute focus must be on Derry today .
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