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Post by taggert on Jun 25, 2023 18:00:47 GMT
Also, if the draw progresses such that Kerry are one of 2 teams left in Pot 1 and Mayo wnd Cork are the 2 teams left in pot 2, Kerry will have to take the place of the 2nd team drawn out of Pot 1 who would have been drawn with either Tyrone or M'ghan. Simples!
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Post by pillar on Jun 25, 2023 18:01:02 GMT
Draw should be left open!!
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Post by southward on Jun 25, 2023 18:01:41 GMT
This thing that you can't meet a team you've played already should be scrapped. So many teams have played each other at this stage, the outcome of the draw is nearly pre-ordained.
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Post by pillar on Jun 25, 2023 18:05:29 GMT
From the GAA Website Where possible, repeat pairings from the group stage will be avoided. A repeat of any provincial final is ruled out, though the outcome of the group stage has rendered that impossible.
Define where possible?
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 25, 2023 18:32:23 GMT
The draw MUST be based on balls randomly coming out of 2 pots so "the next available position" will be used. If Kerry come out first and then Cork come out of pot 2 Cork will be placed in the next available position i.e. position 2 for pot 2. If Mayo come out next then they will be put in place 3, pot 2. Then Kerry will get Monaghan. If Dublin are then taken from bowl 1 they are put in the next available position, in the vacant position of place 2 in pot 1. In this way it will all work out.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 25, 2023 18:46:48 GMT
This thing that you can't meet a team you've played already should be scrapped. So many teams have played each other at this stage, the outcome of the draw is nearly pre-ordained. Jeez I wouldn't agree it's awful boring seeing the same teams playing each other imo variety being the spice of life and all that !
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 25, 2023 19:33:44 GMT
[br That's fine if we beat them but maybe Monaghan as safer bet no disrespect to them. These lads will love a challenge like Tyrone and will fear no one. I would love them to draw and beat Tyrone. If we aren’t good enough that’s fair enough we have no business going any further. I just think that Kerry with a smell of blood in their nostrils will be a hugely motivated one.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 25, 2023 19:43:33 GMT
I understand the draw tomorrow morning was already scheduled but since all results in this preliminary round of the All Ireland series ahead the quarter finals needed to be finalised today, they could have planned for a live TV draw on the Sunday Game this evening. It would make for great television and discussion by the panel - and is a little missed opportunity. I'm sure everyone would like to go to sleep tonight knowing who they are actually facing next weekend.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 25, 2023 20:01:00 GMT
Galway, Tyrone, Kildare and Cork, are my predictions. These four as an accum. pays 18's ... I reckon Galway will squeeze through alright. I actually think that game is the easiest one to call if that makes sense. As for the others, I'd go along with Tyrone. I think Monaghan might just take Kildare and Rossies v Cork is such a hard one to figure out. I'd say home advantage might just swing it. 3 out of 4 ain't bad??!!! 😬
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 25, 2023 21:52:03 GMT
Tyrone looked good against Donegal.
If we draw them it'll be a very difficult game.
Particularly concerned about midfield as Tyrone look particularly strong there.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 25, 2023 22:00:24 GMT
Tyrone looked good against Donegal. If we draw them it'll be a very difficult game. Particularly concerned about midfield as Tyrone look particularly strong there. Who do we want Monaghan or Tyrone, being honest, I fear neither... Would love a Dublin vs Mayo draw... 😁
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 25, 2023 22:14:22 GMT
Tyrone looked good against Donegal. If we draw them it'll be a very difficult game. Particularly concerned about midfield as Tyrone look particularly strong there. Well then maybe we better off meeting Monaghan. If we get to a final we have a great chance of winning it but we have to get their first so no harm do it the easier way. Yeah I was a bit bullish last night may have been the vino.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 25, 2023 22:29:29 GMT
Does anyone know for definite is it an open draw for the semi finals or are the provincial winners pre determined pairings still in place? Quarter finals obviously the focus but just interested in how the semi pairings will be decided in the new format.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 25, 2023 22:33:02 GMT
[br That's fine if we beat them but maybe Monaghan as safer bet no disrespect to them. These lads will love a challenge like Tyrone and will fear no one. I would love them to draw and beat Tyrone. If we aren’t good enough that’s fair enough we have no business going any further. I just think that Kerry with a smell of blood in their nostrils will be a hugely motivated one. I think Kerry have been training at a serious level of intensity since the start of the year. It effected their league performances. They always had a second chance if it cost them a game as in losing to Mayo but then had to blow Louth away because they could be knocked out. The first time they wanted to be sure was facing Clare in Ennis in the Munster final. They were on fire from the start. It was something like 2-5 to 0-3 after about 20 minutes so they went back to playing a basic game. I think they might have Dublin in mind for the high level of fitness. Dublin had about 5 players in their thirties against Sligo. Last year against Dublin it was much too tight in the end. If they meet this year Kerry want to be in a much stronger position entering the last quarter. A year on Kerry want to be see if if James McCarthy is ready to sprint the the length of Croke Park every few minutes. So Tyrone next weekend should not be a problem.
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Post by taggert on Jun 25, 2023 22:46:44 GMT
I'd like to see Dublin draw Tyrone personally as they are the two teams I fear most - not saying others can't take Kerry down of course. We'll know soon enough and there will be nothing soft next weekend.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 25, 2023 22:54:18 GMT
Spillane has Kerry favourites for Sam now and reckons Kerry and Dublin well ahead of the pack. Does Pat ever remember what he wrote in the past. It's only a few weeks ago he said Kerry were rank outsiders.Pat genuinely makes me laugh as I don't understand how he still gets paid for articles with the same ole raiméis. One of the best half fkrrwards of all time but one of the worst forecasters He would have made a great weather forecaster - showers with sunshine and a slight breeze from the North, South, East or West ....
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 25, 2023 22:59:39 GMT
I understand the draw tomorrow morning was already scheduled but since all results in this preliminary round of the All Ireland series ahead the quarter finals needed to be finalised today, they could have planned for a live TV draw on the Sunday Game this evening. It would make for great television and discussion by the panel - and is a little missed opportunity. I'm sure everyone would like to go to sleep tonight knowing who they are actually facing next weekend. The GAA must think that we really trust them by having the draw on RTE Radio 1. They have forfeited a fantastic promotional opportunity by not have it on The Sunday Game and well they should know it. It's doubtful that they will miss the opportunity of drawing Kerry V Tyrone. I will be shocked if we get Monaghan and I'm almost unshockable these days.
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Post by taggert on Jun 26, 2023 7:46:45 GMT
Kerry v Tyrone Dublin v Mayo Derry v Cork Armagh v Monaghan
Reckon Mayo v Dublin Sunday given Mayo played Sunday.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 26, 2023 7:56:27 GMT
I understand the draw tomorrow morning was already scheduled but since all results in this preliminary round of the All Ireland series ahead the quarter finals needed to be finalised today, they could have planned for a live TV draw on the Sunday Game this evening. It would make for great television and discussion by the panel - and is a little missed opportunity. I'm sure everyone would like to go to sleep tonight knowing who they are actually facing next weekend. The GAA must think that we really trust them by having the draw on RTE Radio 1. They have forfeited a fantastic promotional opportunity by not have it on The Sunday Game and well they should know it. It's doubtful that they will miss the opportunity of drawing Kerry V Tyrone. I will be shocked if we get Monaghan and I'm almost unshockable these days. Technically it was live on TV, on the RTE news channel.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 26, 2023 7:59:06 GMT
Kerry v Tyrone Dublin v Mayo Derry v Cork Armagh v Monaghan Reckon Mayo v Dublin Sunday given Mayo played Sunday. Yeah, Dublin v Mayo certain to be Sunday. Kerry v Tyrone on Saturday so. They won't put the two marquee games on together.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 26, 2023 8:22:24 GMT
They’ll probably structure it, if they have any common sense, that Kerry’s opponents are decided first so that is crossed off and Dublin’s last. You were right Kerrybhoy but I found that very strange. I've never seen them conduct a draw like that before.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 26, 2023 8:25:20 GMT
Does anyone know for definite is it an open draw for the semi finals or are the provincial winners pre determined pairings still in place? Quarter finals obviously the focus but just interested in how the semi pairings will be decided in the new format. No repeat pairings if possible, so if Kerry & Mayo win there will be no draw as they will be kept apart, unless of course Cork win too. In that case, they'll have to be a repeat pairing.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 26, 2023 8:51:55 GMT
Will Ryan O'Donoghue face a sanction after the fact... it was a cowardly act, I'm old school and have no issue with two lads facing up man to man, there is an honourability about it.... O'Donoghue's kick was calculated and damage intending..
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 26, 2023 8:58:35 GMT
Does anyone know for definite is it an open draw for the semi finals or are the provincial winners pre determined pairings still in place? Quarter finals obviously the focus but just interested in how the semi pairings will be decided in the new format. No repeat pairings if possible, so if Kerry & Mayo win there will be no draw as they will be kept apart, unless of course Cork win too. In that case, they'll have to be a repeat pairing. Why will there be no draw if Mayo and Kerry win? Won't there still need to be a draw to see who they play e.g. if Derry and Armagh get through still need a draw to see if Kerry play Derry or Armagh. I don't see any scenario where there's no draw.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 26, 2023 9:16:05 GMT
No repeat pairings if possible, so if Kerry & Mayo win there will be no draw as they will be kept apart, unless of course Cork win too. In that case, they'll have to be a repeat pairing. Why will there be no draw if Mayo and Kerry win? Won't there still need to be a draw to see who they play e.g. if Derry and Armagh get through still need a draw to see if Kerry play Derry or Armagh. I don't see any scenario where there's no draw. Derry are likely to get to the semi finals and they can’t get Armagh/Monaghan in the semi final so they’ll be in separate semis. As you say if it was Kerry and Mayo there’d have to be draw to see whether we’d play Derry or Armagh. If Tyrone qualify they can’t play Armagh/Monaghan so they’d have to face Derry meaning there’d be no draw.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 26, 2023 9:19:46 GMT
It wasn't great from ODonoghue...
But their playing Dublin so let it be 🤣🤣
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 26, 2023 9:21:26 GMT
Surprisingly, Eamonn Fitzmaurice mentioned the revenge factor for Kerry players when commenting on the Kerry draw with Tyrone this morning. I don’t like mention of the word revenge – this is the wrong mindset straight away.
The motivation for winning is to book a ticket into the All Ireland semi-final and nothing else. Kerry faces a daunting battle with Tyrone in a game that could go either way. For my money, we are facing in Tyrone the best midfield pairing in the country. When Kerry were wiped out by Mayo at midfield in their league match, and in the All Ireland group series, what worried me is Mayo are not at Tyrone’s level or indeed Galway’s (who shot themselves in the foot yesterday) level at midfield. Is the Tyrone forward model of 2023 a better version than 2021? I believe they are, Darragh Canavan has matured into a top class forward and Ruairi is another class act emerging before out eyes on the national stage and Tyrone now have plenty of weaponry up front.
Call it aggression, call it nastiness, but when Tyrone are in the mood for battle they are the original masters of the rip and strip of possession and letting you know all about it. Kerry cannot repeat the mistake of 2021 and continually running the ball from their own 21 to be repeatedly turned over – it’s exhausting and demoralising so we must take risk. To beat Tyrone - Kerry must match the aggression, be absolutely fearless and fight likes dogs for the breaks.
Some neutrals are already calling this for Tyrone, I heard Anthony Moyles on OTB saying Kerry are sitting ducks and he thinks Tyrone will win. I can see why based on all the total evidence of this year. I see this being a very tense and extremely close battle, and extra-time again would surprise no one. A one-point victory either way but this is truly a 50/50 contest and hopefully Kerry.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 26, 2023 9:25:17 GMT
Surprisingly, Eamonn Fitzmaurice mentioned the revenge factor for Kerry players when commenting on the Kerry draw with Tyrone this morning. I don’t like mention of the word revenge – this is the wrong mindset straight away. The motivation for winning is to book a ticket into the All Ireland semi-final and nothing else. Kerry faces a daunting battle with Tyrone in a game that could go either way. For my money, we are facing in Tyrone the best midfield pairing in the country. When Kerry were wiped out by Mayo at midfield in their league match, and in the All Ireland group series, what worried me is Mayo are not at Tyrone’s level or indeed Galway’s (who shot themselves in the foot yesterday) level at midfield. Is the Tyrone forward model of 2023 a better version than 2021? I believe they are, Darragh Canavan has matured into a top class forward and Ruairi is another class act emerging before out eyes on the national stage and Tyrone now have plenty of weaponry up front. Call it aggression, call it nastiness, but when Tyrone are in the mood for battle they are the original masters of the rip and strip of possession and letting you know all about it. Kerry cannot repeat the mistake of 2021 and continually running the ball from their own 21 to be repeatedly turned over – it’s exhausting and demoralising so we must take risk. To beat Tyrone - Kerry must match the aggression, be absolutely fearless and fight likes dogs for the breaks. Some neutrals are already calling this for Tyrone, I heard Anthony Moyles on OTB saying Kerry are sitting ducks and he thinks Tyrone will win. I can see why based on all the total evidence of this year. I see this being a very tense and extremely close battle, and extra-time again would surprise no one. A one-point victory either way but this is truly a 50/50 contest and hopefully Kerry. Antony Moyles is the very last person I'd listen too.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 26, 2023 9:33:32 GMT
Surprisingly, Eamonn Fitzmaurice mentioned the revenge factor for Kerry players when commenting on the Kerry draw with Tyrone this morning. I don’t like mention of the word revenge – this is the wrong mindset straight away. The motivation for winning is to book a ticket into the All Ireland semi-final and nothing else. Kerry faces a daunting battle with Tyrone in a game that could go either way. For my money, we are facing in Tyrone the best midfield pairing in the country. When Kerry were wiped out by Mayo at midfield in their league match, and in the All Ireland group series, what worried me is Mayo are not at Tyrone’s level or indeed Galway’s (who shot themselves in the foot yesterday) level at midfield. Is the Tyrone forward model of 2023 a better version than 2021? I believe they are, Darragh Canavan has matured into a top class forward and Ruairi is another class act emerging before out eyes on the national stage and Tyrone now have plenty of weaponry up front. Call it aggression, call it nastiness, but when Tyrone are in the mood for battle they are the original masters of the rip and strip of possession and letting you know all about it. Kerry cannot repeat the mistake of 2021 and continually running the ball from their own 21 to be repeatedly turned over – it’s exhausting and demoralising so we must take risk. To beat Tyrone - Kerry must match the aggression, be absolutely fearless and fight likes dogs for the breaks. Some neutrals are already calling this for Tyrone, I heard Anthony Moyles on OTB saying Kerry are sitting ducks and he thinks Tyrone will win. I can see why based on all the total evidence of this year. I see this being a very tense and extremely close battle, and extra-time again would surprise no one. A one-point victory either way but this is truly a 50/50 contest and hopefully Kerry. Antony Moyles is the very last person I'd listen too. Good man yourself. Isn't it great to live a free world and have that choice and you know what they say about opinions.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 26, 2023 9:36:28 GMT
Antony Moyles is the very last person I'd listen too. Good man yourself. Isn't it great to live a free world and have that choice and you know what they say about opinions. Absolutely and his is the last one I'd listen too.
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