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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 26, 2023 9:42:28 GMT
Good man yourself. Isn't it great to live a free world and have that choice and you know what they say about opinions. Absolutely and his is the last one I'd listen too. Yes, I don't agree either - we won't be sitting ducks and know fully what to expect, so no excuses on that front. On the actual result, I can't call this one definitively either way but hopefully Kerry can do it. What's your own opinion?
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Post by john4 on Jun 26, 2023 9:47:12 GMT
Cork got a tough one. Think they'd take Armagh alright but Derry will be tougher
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 26, 2023 9:50:55 GMT
Absolutely and his is the last one I'd listen too. Yes, I don't agree either - we won't be sitting ducks and know fully what to expect, so no excuses on that front. On the actual result, I can't call this one definitively either way but hopefully Kerry can do it. What's your own opinion? Kerry are in a better position coming into this than 2021. I know that's obvious but in 2021 we beat them by 16 odd points about 6 weeks beforehand. The team were likely complacent I know I certainly was. They have beaten us in the last 3 occasions so we can be sure there will be no complacency this time. Both Tyrone and Kerry have been mixed this year. Tyrone could have gone out last weekend only for the width of a post. For Kerry to win, Less nieve, Be patient, Keep our shape at the back. Try break even in midfield. If we do that then yes we can win. We were sitting ducks in 2021 ... surely we can't be now.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 26, 2023 9:55:34 GMT
No repeat pairings if possible, so if Kerry & Mayo win there will be no draw as they will be kept apart, unless of course Cork win too. In that case, they'll have to be a repeat pairing. Why will there be no draw if Mayo and Kerry win? Won't there still need to be a draw to see who they play e.g. if Derry and Armagh get through still need a draw to see if Kerry play Derry or Armagh. I don't see any scenario where there's no draw. Yes, you're right off course. In the scenario I mentioned, you would still need to draw to see who Kerry & Mayo faced.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 26, 2023 10:00:53 GMT
Why will there be no draw if Mayo and Kerry win? Won't there still need to be a draw to see who they play e.g. if Derry and Armagh get through still need a draw to see if Kerry play Derry or Armagh. I don't see any scenario where there's no draw. Yes, you're right off course. In the scenario I mentioned, you would still need to draw to see who Kerry & Mayo faced. I was wrong though about not needing a draw in any scenario. If Derry and Tyrone win there'll be no semi draw, it'll just be: Armagh/Monaghan v Mayo/Dublin Derry v Tyrone
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Post by keane on Jun 26, 2023 10:06:13 GMT
Wrong thread
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 26, 2023 10:09:32 GMT
They’ll probably structure it, if they have any common sense, that Kerry’s opponents are decided first so that is crossed off and Dublin’s last. You were right Kerrybhoy but I found that very strange. I've never seen them conduct a draw like that before. I guess it makes the most logical sense although it does seem like strange way to do a football draw. I just looked at it in terms of solving a mathematical equation so I premise they did too.
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Post by glengael on Jun 26, 2023 10:14:54 GMT
Cork got a tough one. Think they'd take Armagh alright but Derry will be tougher Yes, I think Derry might be a sticky wicket for them. But you never know, our neighbours might surprise us... Armagh v Monaghan will be fun also.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 26, 2023 10:24:29 GMT
Great time for Mayo to play Dublin. Dublin only played Sligo, Roscommon and Kildare. Had no test in Leinster. Mayo have had great battles v Galway, Kerry and Cork.
Mayo, Armagh, Kerry and Derry to win. Mayo v Armagh and Derry v Kerry in the semis. Kerry beat Armagh in the final.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 26, 2023 11:33:19 GMT
FULL DRAW dates and times confirmed.
All Ireland SFC Quarter-Finals:
Saturday July 1st;
Kerry vs Tyrone, 3.45pm, Croke Park
Armagh vs Monaghan, 6pm, Croke Park
Sunday July 2nd;
Derry vs Cork, 1.45pm, Croke Park
Dublin vs Mayo, 4pm, Croke Park
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 26, 2023 11:58:03 GMT
I suppose from a neutrals perspective you'd have to say it has the ultimate pairings.
Now I don't like mentioning odds but I think Padraig Power was on the beer when Tyrone were on show, though in fairness he may base his figures on what he thought they were up against.
Well I suppose that is why people bet - they think they can beat the odds, but The Red Hands at 12/1 sounds crazy and moreover with them Canavans sprouting.
BTW out of interest, does anyone know the process of the draw? E.g. were Kerry's opponents decided first, and which would have prevented a cul de sac if only Mayo and Cork were left in the drum for us.
Predictions will be interesting here though I don't think it's as difficult as the weekend past: I'll go Kerry, Armagh, Derry, Mayo.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 26, 2023 13:03:05 GMT
Surprisingly, Eamonn Fitzmaurice mentioned the revenge factor for Kerry players when commenting on the Kerry draw with Tyrone this morning. I don’t like mention of the word revenge – this is the wrong mindset straight away. The motivation for winning is to book a ticket into the All Ireland semi-final and nothing else. Kerry faces a daunting battle with Tyrone in a game that could go either way. For my money, we are facing in Tyrone the best midfield pairing in the country. When Kerry were wiped out by Mayo at midfield in their league match, and in the All Ireland group series, what worried me is Mayo are not at Tyrone’s level or indeed Galway’s (who shot themselves in the foot yesterday) level at midfield. Is the Tyrone forward model of 2023 a better version than 2021? I believe they are, Darragh Canavan has matured into a top class forward and Ruairi is another class act emerging before out eyes on the national stage and Tyrone now have plenty of weaponry up front. Call it aggression, call it nastiness, but when Tyrone are in the mood for battle they are the original masters of the rip and strip of possession and letting you know all about it. Kerry cannot repeat the mistake of 2021 and continually running the ball from their own 21 to be repeatedly turned over – it’s exhausting and demoralising so we must take risk. To beat Tyrone - Kerry must match the aggression, be absolutely fearless and fight likes dogs for the breaks. Some neutrals are already calling this for Tyrone, I heard Anthony Moyles on OTB saying Kerry are sitting ducks and he thinks Tyrone will win. I can see why based on all the total evidence of this year. I see this being a very tense and extremely close battle, and extra-time again would surprise no one. A one-point victory either way but this is truly a 50/50 contest and hopefully Kerry. Excellent post Kingdomson and very hard to disagree with you. However, winning an All Ireland since their last meeting and learning how to tough it out when the * hits the fan (Dublin and to a lesser extent, Galway last year) will be something that will embolden the Kerry challenge next Saturday. As you said they need to learn from the mistakes of 2021 but we can also use the lessons learned in tough situations last year and indeed, this year.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 26, 2023 15:23:42 GMT
As an earlier poster said we will have 3 ulster counties shouting against us. One would think Cork could have been played same day as Kerry but the gaa don't always do sense. Monaghan and Armagh hate Tyrone and will be cheering on Kerry. Dublin, Mayo and Cork would have been cheering on Tyrone so it was the best pairing possible for Kerry getting neutral support.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 26, 2023 18:32:05 GMT
Absolutely and his is the last one I'd listen too. Lads he is only giving his opinion. I have heard Moyles many a time in the radio and he was very complimentary towards Kerry. Just because a lad fancies another team does nt mean he dislikes us. The only Meath pundit I have a problem with is Liam Hayes (now he is anti Kerry). Think Lee Keegan fancies Tyrone too but he is another good and decent pundit. Think Tyrone have beaten us last 3 meetings so it's understandable. Many of us get predictions wrong. I thought Kildare would beat Monaghan. No issue with anyone thinking Tyrone will win. Probably a few on here agree with him. He broke his heart laughing at the draw and said Bye Bye Kerry in a very juvenile way. Played against him and frankly wouldn't have a great time for him.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 26, 2023 18:40:00 GMT
Lads he is only giving his opinion. I have heard Moyles many a time in the radio and he was very complimentary towards Kerry. Just because a lad fancies another team does nt mean he dislikes us. The only Meath pundit I have a problem with is Liam Hayes (now he is anti Kerry). Think Lee Keegan fancies Tyrone too but he is another good and decent pundit. Think Tyrone have beaten us last 3 meetings so it's understandable. Many of us get predictions wrong. I thought Kildare would beat Monaghan. No issue with anyone thinking Tyrone will win. Probably a few on here agree with him. He broke his heart laughing at the draw and said Bye Bye Kerry in a very juvenile way. Played against him and frankly wouldn't have a great time for him. That’s the role of the media these days though. It’s not about giving insightful, measured opinions, it’s about giving short, shock jock, content making clips
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 26, 2023 18:49:12 GMT
Former players turned pundits are not to be confused with intelligent people - all too often they are just noisy people not afraid to broadcast their opinions if they can find someone willing to throw them a few bob - media competing for viewers/listeners need to generate interest in their platforms and loud, controversial or belligerently ignorant often fits the bill......
Thankfully there are a few pundits who proffer an opinion and support it with reasoned arguments.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 28, 2023 10:13:39 GMT
. . BTW out of interest, does anyone know the process of the draw? E.g. were Kerry's opponents decided first, and which would have prevented a cul de sac if only Mayo and Cork were left in the drum for us. . . At the start, they put Monaghan and Tyrone's names in a bowl and drew one to see who played Kerry, then they added the other 2 preliminary 1/4s winners and carried on as normal. One aspect of the draw is if Kerry and Derry win, Kerry can't meet Dublin (or Mayo) in the semi-final, would meet Monaghan, Armagh or Derry.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 28, 2023 12:47:25 GMT
. . BTW out of interest, does anyone know the process of the draw? E.g. were Kerry's opponents decided first, and which would have prevented a cul de sac if only Mayo and Cork were left in the drum for us. . . At the start, they put Monaghan and Tyrone's names in a bowl and drew one to see who played Kerry, then they added the other 2 preliminary 1/4s winners and carried on as normal. One aspect of the draw is if Kerry and Derry win, Kerry can't meet Dublin (or Mayo) in the semi-final, would meet Monaghan, Armagh or Derry. You had me confused there for a minute Jo but I think you're right. If Derry win they can't play the winners of Armagh & Monaghan as they've played them before, therefore we can't play the winners of the other QF. God, it s complicated.
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Post by Hicser on Jun 28, 2023 13:30:20 GMT
At the start, they put Monaghan and Tyrone's names in a bowl and drew one to see who played Kerry, then they added the other 2 preliminary 1/4s winners and carried on as normal. One aspect of the draw is if Kerry and Derry win, Kerry can't meet Dublin (or Mayo) in the semi-final, would meet Monaghan, Armagh or Derry. You had me confused there for a minute Jo but I think you're right. If Derry win they can't play the winners of Armagh & Monaghan as they've played them before, therefore we can't play the winners of the other QF. God, it s complicated. Good spot, while I'd like Cork to win, I would prefer to avoid Dublin,
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Post by dc84 on Jun 28, 2023 14:31:32 GMT
It could all be moot after Saturday anyway but playing dublin in a semi might not be the worst thing to happen we would be in a good place if we beat tyrone you would imagine!
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Post by Joxer on Jun 29, 2023 9:56:12 GMT
To beat Tyrone - Kerry must match the aggression, be absolutely fearless and fight likes dogs for the breaks. In a nutshell! Totally agree....
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 29, 2023 14:22:59 GMT
It could all be moot after Saturday anyway but playing dublin in a semi might not be the worst thing to happen we would be in a good place if we beat tyrone you would imagine! As peanuts pointed out, if Derry beat Cork, Kerry can't meet Dublin in the semi-final.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 29, 2023 15:48:31 GMT
It could all be moot after Saturday anyway but playing dublin in a semi might not be the worst thing to happen we would be in a good place if we beat tyrone you would imagine! As peanuts pointed out, if Derry beat Cork, Kerry can't meet Dublin in the semi-final. As the Spartans said to the macedonians "If" I'd give Cork a fair chance vs derry is what I'm saying
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 30, 2023 8:37:07 GMT
Dublin have named their strongest 26 year to date.
They really wanted to get to this stage with all their players fit and really only went through the motions.
They look formidable.
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Post by somethingwitty on Jun 30, 2023 9:56:59 GMT
Great time for Mayo to play Dublin. Dublin only played Sligo, Roscommon and Kildare. Had no test in Leinster. Mayo have had great battles v Galway, Kerry and Cork. Could be tough on the Mayo Legs to have 3 Must win games in 3 weeks. Could they run of steam in the last quarter or have the energy to stay in the game if Dublin start to drift a few points ahead in the 2nd half?
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Post by thepope on Jun 30, 2023 14:57:18 GMT
Dublin have named their strongest 26 year to date. They really wanted to get to this stage with all their players fit and really only went through the motions. They look formidable. If you had to put your house on any team left at this stage. The Dubs look primed.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 30, 2023 15:12:30 GMT
The draws for the semi-finals of the Sam Maguire Football Championships, if required, will take place on Sunday evening after the games on RTE 2 tv.
The draws will be conducted by GAA President Larry McCarthy and Derek Kent, Chairman of the C.C.C.C. and overseeing the draw is Bernard Smith, the GAA’s Games Administration Manager.
The four quarter-final winners from this weekend's games will be drawn to two semi-finals - subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the overall championship, where possible. The semi-finals are due to take place on the weekend of 15/16 July at Croke Park.
Possible Repeat Pairings.Kerry v Cork, Kerry v Mayo, Cork v Mayo, Tyrone v Armagh, Tyrone v Monaghan, Armagh v Derry & Monaghan v Derry.
Fixture details will be confirmed by the C.C.C.C. on Monday afternoon next.
Note
If Tyrone & Derry win, no draw is required, as both teams have played Armagh & Monaghan, and the pairings would be Tyrone v Derry & Winner of Armagh/Monaghan v Winner of Dublin/Mayo.
If Kerry, Cork & Mayo win, a repeat pairing can’t be avoided, so all four teams would be drawn from the same bowl, 1st team out will play the 2nd team. The 3rd team will play the 4th team drawn.
In all other combinations, a repeat pairing(s) can be avoided.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 30, 2023 15:55:28 GMT
As peanuts pointed out, if Derry beat Cork, Kerry can't meet Dublin in the semi-final. As the Spartans said to the macedonians "If" I'd give Cork a fair chance vs derry is what I'm saying Either way, the likelihood of Kerry meeting Dublin in the semi-final is only 6%:
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 1, 2023 19:20:30 GMT
McGeeney and/or the Armagh lads starting a row at the end of the match? Are they looking to set a world record?
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 1, 2023 19:44:18 GMT
Armagh 🤝 England: Losing Penalty Shootouts I'd swear Armagh are cursed at this stage 🤣
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