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Post by The16thMan on Mar 5, 2023 22:22:33 GMT
After todays defeat to Tyrone we now can kiss our league title goodbye and start preparing for a Relegation battle. We will need at least 1, if not 2, wins out of our last 2 games to guarantee survival. Especially with how bad our away form has been this year, including McGrath Cup we've lost all 4 away games so far this year. We definitely cannot afford to go into the final game in Salthill after losing this game. We should see the return of Geaney, White & Adrian Spillane and possibly Mike Breen for this game. This can have a big boost. White can puncture holes in mass defences with his pace and power and Geaney likes to shoot on sight, 2 things Kerry have really lacked in the league for the most part. As far as I'm concerned, if Kerry lose, we will most likely be relegated no matter the result against Galway. The advantage Kerry might have is Roscommon are on 6 points and might start looking towards Championship, also they don't seem to pack the defence like Donegal or Tyrone do so there might be a small bit more space for the forwards to do damage. I'd like to say Kerry should win but with how inconsistent we've been in the league so far nothing would surprise me really.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 5, 2023 22:26:39 GMT
A very interesting stat is that out of the 20 division 1 games this year, the away side has only won on 3 occasions.
Would we not be safe with 6 points?
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 5, 2023 22:50:48 GMT
A very interesting stat is that out of the 20 division 1 games this year, the away side has only won on 3 occasions. Would we not be safe with 6 points? I don't think so, bottom 4 has 3 teams on 4 points and Donegal bottom on 3 points. With the way fixtures run I can see 1 of the teams relegated having 6 points.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 5, 2023 22:52:47 GMT
A very interesting stat is that out of the 20 division 1 games this year, the away side has only won on 3 occasions. Would we not be safe with 6 points? Most likely we would unless it’s just us and Tyrone (or Donegal) on 6 points which would relegate us on head to head. If there’s more than 2 teams on 6 points it will come down to points difference and we’re not too bad in that department at the moment.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 5, 2023 22:56:36 GMT
A very interesting stat is that out of the 20 division 1 games this year, the away side has only won on 3 occasions. Would we not be safe with 6 points? I don't think so, bottom 4 has 3 teams on 4 points and Donegal bottom on 3 points. With the way fixtures run I can see 1 of the teams relegated having 6 points. Yes, that could happen but I don’t think it will be Kerry.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 6, 2023 10:00:30 GMT
After todays defeat to Tyrone we now can kiss our league title goodbye and start preparing for a Relegation battle. What are you on about? Kerry are the most likely team to get 2nd spot and qualify for the league final with a probability of 37% while they've only a 4% chance of getting relegated. If Kerry win their last 2 games it's almost certain they'll be in the league final. (Stats from @statsandsolos)
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 6, 2023 10:10:25 GMT
On the relegation front - the three teams below us have the following games to play Tyrone - Monaghan and Armagh Monaghan - Tyrone and Mayo Donegal - Mayo and Roscommon
I suspect Monaghan and Donegal are most likely to go down and on current form they may not improve their points tally in the final two games. One win from our final two games should see us safe.
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 6, 2023 11:22:33 GMT
After todays defeat to Tyrone we now can kiss our league title goodbye and start preparing for a Relegation battle. What are you on about? Kerry are the most likely team to get 2nd spot and qualify for the league final with a probability of 37% while they've only a 4% chance of getting relegated. If Kerry win their last 2 games it's almost certain they'll be in the league final. (Stats from @statsandsolos) Possibly, I think maybe Kerry would want Galway to beat Armagh the next night and if we beat Roscommon and Galway the week after we would have a good chance to get a league final place. That would be my understanding. There's a good chance there could be a league final spot for a team on 8 points. As well as a possibility for a team on 6 points to be relegated. All too tight to call.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 6, 2023 16:27:16 GMT
What are you on about? Kerry are the most likely team to get 2nd spot and qualify for the league final with a probability of 37% while they've only a 4% chance of getting relegated. If Kerry win their last 2 games it's almost certain they'll be in the league final. (Stats from @statsandsolos) Possibly, I think maybe Kerry would want Galway to beat Armagh the next night and if we beat Roscommon and Galway the week after we would have a good chance to get a league final place. That would be my understanding. There's a good chance there could be a league final spot for a team on 8 points. As well as a possibility for a team on 6 points to be relegated. All too tight to call. Yes, a good chance a team on 6 pts gets relegated and a team on 8 pts qualifies for the league final.
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Post by glengael on Mar 8, 2023 10:58:12 GMT
The last 2 games need to be won, if only to build some of precious momentum which is crucial for confidence etc. We have failed to put 2 wins together in this League, not great.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 8, 2023 11:50:46 GMT
'Tis a fine line there between the top of Div 1 and Div 2 for 2024, and which is a sign that competition is close, all really great for the game, also bearing in mind the newcomers (like the Orchards and Rossies) and then that Dublin are having it all to do in Div 2.
It was only lately there was a chasing pack behind the Dubs - is this an unintended consequence of the new structure and which hasn't played out yet, or is it simply an accelerated passage of change I wonder - revolution vs evolution?
BTW all this talk of our long list of injuries - that is in part because we have such an extensive panel, they say it is a job in itself to whittle it down to the 26, and then to shave 11 off that while keeping lads sweet, and which can't be easy with all the effort put in.
Though I am no expert in things MF, 2 notions come to mind - firstly it is probably the hardest role to play and secondly, and I suppose by the same token, were we spoilt with David Moran, i.e. we only fully appreciate him when we see what happens in his absence? Still the current contingent will come good, patience is all it takes!
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Post by thehermit on Mar 9, 2023 10:32:30 GMT
Very quiet on here the last couple of days?!!
It all gets fairly crabby after a disappointing defeat I suppose.
Still last Sunday will be long forgotten about by the end of April. A win Saturday week and we should be safe.
An win up in Salthill and we would end the League with some good momentum going into a Munster semi-final. Was looking at the calendar, hard to believe we'll have a Munster game as soon as 22 April!
Paper's reporting DOC could make a comeback for the Galway game, seems White and Geaney could be in line for involvement for Patrick's weekend.
Do we stick with a similar team to the last two games or do something a little different?
I think its vital Adrian is back.
Would it be worth considering giving Paudie a break if not David? Hard to know but you have to suspect their performances on the pitch are being impacted by private issues. There's more to life than the League, maybe it would be no harm carrying on the last two games without them. Then again maybe being in with Kerry is the distraction they want and need just now.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 9, 2023 10:46:32 GMT
Any word about when Brian O'Beaglaoich will be back?
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Post by thehermit on Mar 9, 2023 10:47:56 GMT
Last I heard he was making progress not sure if he'll be there for any of last two League games
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Post by piskin on Mar 9, 2023 17:45:10 GMT
The main problem is this lateral passing & turning back toward our own goal, even S Ryan did it and threw the ball into his own net. True it is hard to play against the puke but surely there must be a way to counter that garbage. We need a big full forward to aim at inside. Jack has tried our a few players in intense games but Barry Dan is the only one I see with potential. Brosnan is talented but really needs to step up in these last two games as as this is his fourth season on the panel. Dara Moynihan is a workhorse but no discerning end product at this stage of his career. We have some fair-weather players but when it comes to the crunch they are not up to scratch at this level. I am not being harsh but this needs to be said, we have been living on hope saying these players will come good even after years on the panel. Jack sorted out the defence last year now he has a job on his hands with midfield & the forwards this year. An injury to D Clifford or S o' Shea is too scary to contemplate.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 9, 2023 20:01:48 GMT
I actually think Donal Down has more of a chance of starting or nailing down starting berth than Barry Dan, The Dingle man has been impressive but I think Spillane or Diarmuid O'Conner will fall in beside the other Na Gaeil man.
Ok, I know up front, Geaney, Spillane and O'Brien are to return but I have been impressed by the Kilgarvan man for years, a good injury free stint would do him the world of good.
I'm still a fan of Barry Dan and think he has a role to play, actually, when you think about jt, he was badly missed last week, but luckily, it was illness opposed to injury.
Adrian had a calf knock and didn't travek at all.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 9, 2023 22:40:06 GMT
The main problem is this lateral passing & turning back toward our own goal, even S Ryan did it and threw the ball into his own net. True it is hard to play against the puke but surely there must be a way to counter that garbage. We need a big full forward to aim at inside. Jack has tried our a few players in intense games but Barry Dan is the only one I see with potential. Brosnan is talented but really needs to step up in these last two games as as this is his fourth season on the panel. Dara Moynihan is a workhorse but no discerning end product at this stage of his career. We have some fair-weather players but when it comes to the crunch they are not up to scratch at this level. I am not being harsh but this needs to be said, we have been living on hope saying these players will come good even after years on the panel. Jack sorted out the defence last year now he has a job on his hands with midfield & the forwards this year. An injury to D Clifford or S o' Shea is too scary to contemplate. Like losing that fateful Munster Final to Cork and then the same vs Armagh in ASP. Though we stick the pig here, I have a gut instinct that at the conclusion of the league, and assuming we aren't relegated, us 'teachers' will mark 100% on the exam paper of JackO'Cc & Co . He has measured it all spot on so far - maybe he has been lucky..ish, but then again one makes their own luck! Maybe the grip on Samuel will be determined by the strength we take from the league and where a few gruellings will be just what the doctor ordered?
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Post by piskin on Mar 9, 2023 23:16:21 GMT
Forgot about Donal Down, has potential but time will tell.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 10, 2023 15:04:55 GMT
I actually think Donal Down has more of a chance of starting or nailing down starting berth than Barry Dan, The Dingle man has been impressive but I think Spillane or Diarmuid O'Conner will fall in beside the other Na Gaeil man. Ok, I know up front, Geaney, Spillane and O'Brien are to return but I have been impressed by the Kilgarvan man for years, a good injury free stint would do him the world of good. I'm still a fan of Barry Dan and think he has a role to play, actually, when you think about jt, he was badly missed last week, but luckily, it was illness opposed to injury. Adrian had a calf knock and didn't travek at all. I am with you on Donal Down vs Barry Dan - Donal is a natural forward, strong & takes on defenders - Barry Dan going into full forward was desperation, nothing else. Midfield continues to be problematic but Diarmuid O’Connor’s return will help here - Jack Barry has been disappointing in the main but has had injury issues & hopefully will kick on once fitness kicks in. If not, Jack should be onto David Moran for one last fling. Paul Geaney, Gavin White & Killian Spillane all back in the fold, so options aplenty for Sat week.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 10, 2023 15:47:37 GMT
I actually think Donal Down has more of a chance of starting or nailing down starting berth than Barry Dan, The Dingle man has been impressive but I think Spillane or Diarmuid O'Conner will fall in beside the other Na Gaeil man. Ok, I know up front, Geaney, Spillane and O'Brien are to return but I have been impressed by the Kilgarvan man for years, a good injury free stint would do him the world of good. I'm still a fan of Barry Dan and think he has a role to play, actually, when you think about jt, he was badly missed last week, but luckily, it was illness opposed to injury. Adrian had a calf knock and didn't travek at all. I am with you on Donal Down vs Barry Dan - Donal is a natural forward, strong & takes on defenders - Barry Dan going into full forward was desperation, nothing else. Midfield continues to be problematic but Diarmuid O’Connor’s return will help here - Jack Barry has been disappointing in the main but has had injury issues & hopefully will kick on once fitness kicks in. If not, Jack should be onto David Moran for one last fling. Paul Geaney, Gavin White & Killian Spillane all back in the fold, so options aplenty for Sat week. Am I right in saying Stefans hammer is only a slight strain ?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 10, 2023 17:42:08 GMT
Gavin White lined out for Crokes in an East Kerry league game against Listry. He’d be a huge addition to us at wing back. I’d be very tempted to bring him straight back in to start.
Any news on Mike Breen?
Also did panellists not on the 26 for Tyrone line out for their clubs if they’d a fixture? I know Gavin Crowley did and I presume he’s still part of the panel.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 11, 2023 12:33:24 GMT
I actually think Donal Down has more of a chance of starting or nailing down starting berth than Barry Dan, The Dingle man has been impressive but I think Spillane or Diarmuid O'Conner will fall in beside the other Na Gaeil man. Ok, I know up front, Geaney, Spillane and O'Brien are to return but I have been impressed by the Kilgarvan man for years, a good injury free stint would do him the world of good. I'm still a fan of Barry Dan and think he has a role to play, actually, when you think about jt, he was badly missed last week, but luckily, it was illness opposed to injury. Adrian had a calf knock and didn't travek at all. I am with you on Donal Down vs Barry Dan - Donal is a natural forward, strong & takes on defenders - Barry Dan going into full forward was desperation, nothing else. Midfield continues to be problematic but Diarmuid O’Connor’s return will help here - Jack Barry has been disappointing in the main but has had injury issues & hopefully will kick on once fitness kicks in. If not, Jack should be onto David Moran for one last fling. Paul Geaney, Gavin White & Killian Spillane all back in the fold, so options aplenty for Sat week. Killian was on the bench against Tyrone , burns, donal down and Ruairi murphy all came on before him, as well as Tony starting, might be slipping down the rankings.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2023 13:35:25 GMT
I am with you on Donal Down vs Barry Dan - Donal is a natural forward, strong & takes on defenders - Barry Dan going into full forward was desperation, nothing else. Midfield continues to be problematic but Diarmuid O’Connor’s return will help here - Jack Barry has been disappointing in the main but has had injury issues & hopefully will kick on once fitness kicks in. If not, Jack should be onto David Moran for one last fling. Paul Geaney, Gavin White & Killian Spillane all back in the fold, so options aplenty for Sat week. Killian was on the bench against Tyrone , burns, donal down and Ruairi murphy all came on before him, as well as Tony starting, might be slipping down the rankings. He's just not a winter footballer from what I can tell. I suspect we see a different player on the harder ground.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 11, 2023 20:14:00 GMT
Killian was on the bench against Tyrone , burns, donal down and Ruairi murphy all came on before him, as well as Tony starting, might be slipping down the rankings. He's just not a winter footballer from what I can tell. I suspect we see a different player on the harder ground. I agree with you. ☀️☀️☀️⚽️R
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 11, 2023 20:34:30 GMT
Top of the grass player
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Post by kerrysouth on Mar 12, 2023 2:34:58 GMT
Now that the dust has settled and with time to reflect on the Tyrone game I am confident Kerry can regroup and gain the points required in the Roscommon to secure safety in Div 1 which has always been jack ‘ s primary target.With 7 weeks to championship it should be a different Kerry team we see then re charged and at full fitness ready to go and defend our title .whether we have the hunger and desire and maybe Lady Luck could determine that outcome.Time to relax enjoy the last of the league games and rest assured we won’t be discussing these league games next Autumn
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Post by mike70 on Mar 12, 2023 20:24:38 GMT
I caught up on terrace talk analysis of the kerry v Tyrone game, I just don’t get the talk about playing paudie at 11, Paudie plays all over, with priority of bringing ball out of defence and transitioning to the forwards, whether he plays from 10 to 15 the number has ZERO to do with his roll, come on lads pick up your analysis, paudie is going thru a dip, but as well as that, he is getting plenty of attention as the man that makes kerry play, he will come good. That’s the critical part of their analysis, I must agree with their comment on our defence, too many of our defenders are spending way to much time up front and maybe it’s costing us on the defensive side.
Just my observations.
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 13, 2023 10:00:34 GMT
Anyone know if Roscommon game is on TG4?
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Post by tpo on Mar 13, 2023 10:09:34 GMT
Its on TG4
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 13, 2023 12:10:57 GMT
I caught up on terrace talk analysis of the kerry v Tyrone game, I just don’t get the talk about playing paudie at 11, Paudie plays all over, with priority of bringing ball out of defence and transitioning to the forwards, whether he plays from 10 to 15 the number has ZERO to do with his roll, come on lads pick up your analysis, paudie is going thru a dip, but as well as that, he is getting plenty of attention as the man that makes kerry play, he will come good. That’s the critical part of their analysis, I must agree with their comment on our defence, too many of our defenders are spending way to much time up front and maybe it’s costing us on the defensive side. Just my observations. If you want analysis, Terracetalk ain’t the place to go!!
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