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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 18, 2023 22:44:17 GMT
David's yellow was an absolute joke. You could see it in his reaction. Must say 2 weeks in a row the ref was appalling for both sides. Teams deserve better. Gavin White MOTM after 7 months out shows how important he is. Diarmuid aswell showed well. A win in Galway and a league final is possible. Was he really motm, pretty poor fair across the park, hard to pick out any decent performance. Any way a win none the less, the summer awaits. He was super, Strong on the ball, made smart runs,no aimless runs into corners or traffic and physicality. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 18, 2023 22:51:02 GMT
They more I see Kerry play this year the less confident of a successful defence of the All Ireland.
We seem completely clueless against a massed defence. Clifford was being double marked and we still insisted on playing through him. Could Paudie or Seanie not take over as a playmaker besides us still trying to feed the ball to Clifford.
I thought DOC should have come on for Jack Barry not Barry Dan. Midfield is a big concern. Apart from being completely at sea for the important kickouts at the end, they don't seem to be able to provide the cover to the defence the way Moran would drop back last year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 18, 2023 22:56:05 GMT
They more I see Kerry play this year the less confident of a successful defence of the All Ireland. We seem completely clueless against a massed defence. Clifford was being double marked and we still insisted on playing through him. Could Paudie or Seanie not take over as a playmaker besides us still trying to feed the ball to Clifford. I thought DOC should have come on for Jack Barry not Barry Dan. Midfield is a big concern. Apart from being completely at sea for the important kickouts at the end, they don't seem to be able to provide the cover to the defence the way Moran would drop back last year. I don't think you can judge on the league this year. We have a new league after the Munster Championship and then we will see. Playing mass defense in croke park won't work unless you really know how to play it. Not just occasionally against us. It's wide open in my opinion. |
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Post by mike70 on Mar 18, 2023 23:00:21 GMT
Was he really motm, pretty poor fair across the park, hard to pick out any decent performance. Any way a win none the less, the summer awaits. He was super, Strong on the ball, made smart runs,no aimless runs into corners or traffic and physicality. Someone had to be the motm, but poor fair overall. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 18, 2023 23:02:01 GMT
He was super, Strong on the ball, made smart runs,no aimless runs into corners or traffic and physicality. Someone had to be the motm, but poor fair overall. Agreed it wasn't great Mike |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 19, 2023 0:20:54 GMT
They more I see Kerry play this year the less confident of a successful defence of the All Ireland. We seem completely clueless against a massed defence. Clifford was being double marked and we still insisted on playing through him. Could Paudie or Seanie not take over as a playmaker besides us still trying to feed the ball to Clifford. I thought DOC should have come on for Jack Barry not Barry Dan. Midfield is a big concern. Apart from being completely at sea for the important kickouts at the end, they don't seem to be able to provide the cover to the defence the way Moran would drop back last year. Regards Clifford being double marked two on him all the time and when in possession two more join in at least thats how the northern teams mark him but definitely its space for many open players at the very least some one on ones why would you then force it to David in those situations we need to use that overloading to our benefit especially at the start of games when defensive systems are more rigid regards the midfield substitution i think we took off the wrong midfielder and it nearly cost us. clearly jack trying to restore last years partnership ignoring current form on this occassion |
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Post by piskin on Mar 19, 2023 1:34:16 GMT
Got the badly needed points,credit to Roscommon they are a better outfit this year than other years. We still can make sloppy decisions on the pitch. P Geaney should know by now that running into tackles has cost us badly in the past. More shape in the team but midfield is a worry still, We are counting on a big year from D o Connor to lead that midfield. S o Shea needs to come into the game more, the Cliffords need a rest I think. Jack knows better than most what is needed and he has seen enough flaws that he can work on for the Championship.
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Post by rossranger on Mar 19, 2023 1:45:54 GMT
Hope you lads don't mind to have a bit of Roscommon perspective on tonight's encounter in Tralee. Long trip just back home now.
Firstly well done to Kerry on what was a deserved win.
A battling display by our lads after giving you a 1-3 to no score head start and it was really 20 minutes of the match before we sorted out our kick out issues and we got our defensive shape set right. 2nd game in a row that we started a contest slow this time had more of an excuse as we had a new full back (Conor Daly out injured) and another two changes in defence. (two players that didn't feature at all against Mayo)
I thought 2nd half especially we were very competitive (0-7 to 0-5 in scoring) we probably didn't make the best use of the black card on 45 minutes. We also struggled for score from play throughout but the way Kerry defended which included clinical play few sides would have scored much from play against you tonight.
Not one that overly gives out about clinical play as it's very much part of the game now like it not not and we are still a learning in that regard. As John Evans said when he managed us "too nice of a team for the opposition" However I think in this Division 1 league campaign we have at least made ourselves more difficult team to beat play against and the best teams know they got a decent competitive contest against us.
Lastly late on it appeared at the match that referee Derek O'Mahony (awful all game) had given us a penalty to grab unlikely draw when he had his arm out wide. whatever the umpire said changed his mind and having watched the incident back since I must say I have seen penalties given for much less.
Once again well done on the win if we don't cross paths in the upcoming championship hopefully we'll meet again in the league next year.
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Post by paudief on Mar 19, 2023 8:33:24 GMT
Lastly late on it appeared at the match that referee Derek O'Mahony (awful all game) had given us a penalty to grab unlikely draw when he had his arm out wide. whatever the umpire said changed his mind and having watched the incident back since I must say I have seen penalties given for much less. Once again well done on the win if we don't cross paths in the upcoming championship hopefully we'll meet again in the league next year.
Thanks for your input. Yeah, it looked like a penalty to me watching on telly. Just the way he fell, it seemed like there was definitely contact, but there was a lot of bodies, and I didn't have that clear a view.
The black card I think they should nearly do away with now. It's not serving its purpose. Black cards for innocuous enough stuff out the field, and then Jason Foley rugby-tackles someone going in for goal, which I thought was a clear black card, if not a penalty (under the rule for denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity), and he gives a yellow.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 19, 2023 8:44:23 GMT
Does anyone know what's the story with not wanting people to come onto the pitch after the game? Even tried to use the excuse of keeping it for the hurlers today last night. When it wouldn't surprise me if there's actually nothing done to it for today.
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Post by paudief on Mar 19, 2023 9:08:47 GMT
Not to be all negative, Tony Brosnan's pass for the goal was sensational. link |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 9:10:24 GMT
Does anyone know what's the story with not wanting people to come onto the pitch after the game? Even tried to use the excuse of keeping it for the hurlers today last night. When it wouldn't surprise me if there's actually nothing done to it for today. The made the same request in Armagh last night. Guessing its the amount of rain and trying to protect the pitch. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 9:13:59 GMT
Lastly late on it appeared at the match that referee Derek O'Mahony (awful all game) had given us a penalty to grab unlikely draw when he had his arm out wide. whatever the umpire said changed his mind and having watched the incident back since I must say I have seen penalties given for much less. Once again well done on the win if we don't cross paths in the upcoming championship hopefully we'll meet again in the league next year.
Thanks for your input. Yeah, it looked like a penalty to me watching on telly. Just the way he fell, it seemed like there was definitely contact, but there was a lot of bodies, and I didn't have that clear a view.
The black card I think they should nearly do away with now. It's not serving its purpose. Black cards for innocuous enough stuff out the field, and then Jason Foley rugby-tackles someone going in for goal, which I thought was a clear black card, if not a penalty (under the rule for denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity), and he gives a yellow.
Might be mistaken here but I thought Jason's was just a coming together and they fell over each other. I didn't see it as a black card but I'm open to correction. |
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Post by paudief on Mar 19, 2023 9:21:47 GMT
Might be mistaken here but I thought Jason's was just a coming together and they fell over each other. I didn't see it as a black card but I'm open to correction.
Ok, I'll watch it back today.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 19, 2023 10:30:17 GMT
They more I see Kerry play this year the less confident of a successful defence of the All Ireland. We seem completely clueless against a massed defence. Clifford was being double marked and we still insisted on playing through him. Could Paudie or Seanie not take over as a playmaker besides us still trying to feed the ball to Clifford. I thought DOC should have come on for Jack Barry not Barry Dan. Midfield is a big concern. Apart from being completely at sea for the important kickouts at the end, they don't seem to be able to provide the cover to the defence the way Moran would drop back last year. I certainly would not be confident but hopeful; the massed defence is an issue but whilst both Armagh and Roscommon deployed it we still found a way to win - David was only one part of the equation, with plenty of ball being pumped into the other corner too - I was disappointed that we did not use Tom O'Sullivan in a more central role when playing in - both himself and Gavin White have the pace to break the line and make a difference - O'Beaglaoich is badly needed as he also possesses the pace to break through. Whilst Tony Brosnan had a good game, his 2nd half miss was poor as chances were so hard to create - having said that both David Clifford and Killian Spillane both found space to get their shots away and score good points - Geaney never seems to find that space, albeit he is only returning from injury and is bound to be ring rusty. Final point on massed defences - think they are not as effective in Croke Park. Agree totally on midfield - Jack Barry continues to struggle and Barry Dan may not have the legs when the ground is faster - Okunbar looked to be an option vs Tyrone but it seems he has a long term problem so we are no nearer a solution - think we may need to move Seanie there as we have options up front and he may solve a problem. |
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Post by southward on Mar 19, 2023 10:37:48 GMT
Thanks for your input. Yeah, it looked like a penalty to me watching on telly. Just the way he fell, it seemed like there was definitely contact, but there was a lot of bodies, and I didn't have that clear a view. The black card I think they should nearly do away with now. It's not serving its purpose. Black cards for innocuous enough stuff out the field, and then Jason Foley rugby-tackles someone going in for goal, which I thought was a clear black card, if not a penalty (under the rule for denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity), and he gives a yellow. Open to correction but I think that rule is only there for hurling. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 11:02:52 GMT
They more I see Kerry play this year the less confident of a successful defence of the All Ireland. We seem completely clueless against a massed defence. Clifford was being double marked and we still insisted on playing through him. Could Paudie or Seanie not take over as a playmaker besides us still trying to feed the ball to Clifford. I thought DOC should have come on for Jack Barry not Barry Dan. Midfield is a big concern. Apart from being completely at sea for the important kickouts at the end, they don't seem to be able to provide the cover to the defence the way Moran would drop back last year. I certainly would not be confident but hopeful; the massed defence is an issue but whilst both Armagh and Roscommon deployed it we still found a way to win - David was only one part of the equation, with plenty of ball being pumped into the other corner too - I was disappointed that we did not use Tom O'Sullivan in a more central role when playing in - both himself and Gavin White have the pace to break the line and make a difference - O'Beaglaoich is badly needed as he also possesses the pace to break through. Whilst Tony Brosnan had a good game, his 2nd half miss was poor as chances were so hard to create - having said that both David Clifford and Killian Spillane both found space to get their shots away and score good points - Geaney never seems to find that space, albeit he is only returning from injury and is bound to be ring rusty. Final point on massed defences - think they are not as effective in Croke Park. Agree totally on midfield - Jack Barry continues to struggle and Barry Dan may not have the legs when the ground is faster - Okunbar looked to be an option vs Tyrone but it seems he has a long term problem so we are no nearer a solution - think we may need to move Seanie there as we have options up front and he may solve a problem. Just on Stefan, I saw a few tweets inferring his season is over ? Is that true as it didn't appear that serious last week. |
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Post by clarinman on Mar 19, 2023 11:05:32 GMT
Wins for Monaghan and Mayo today will leave us safe from relegation.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 19, 2023 11:15:54 GMT
I certainly would not be confident but hopeful; the massed defence is an issue but whilst both Armagh and Roscommon deployed it we still found a way to win - David was only one part of the equation, with plenty of ball being pumped into the other corner too - I was disappointed that we did not use Tom O'Sullivan in a more central role when playing in - both himself and Gavin White have the pace to break the line and make a difference - O'Beaglaoich is badly needed as he also possesses the pace to break through. Whilst Tony Brosnan had a good game, his 2nd half miss was poor as chances were so hard to create - having said that both David Clifford and Killian Spillane both found space to get their shots away and score good points - Geaney never seems to find that space, albeit he is only returning from injury and is bound to be ring rusty. Final point on massed defences - think they are not as effective in Croke Park. Agree totally on midfield - Jack Barry continues to struggle and Barry Dan may not have the legs when the ground is faster - Okunbar looked to be an option vs Tyrone but it seems he has a long term problem so we are no nearer a solution - think we may need to move Seanie there as we have options up front and he may solve a problem. Just on Stefan, I saw a few tweets inferring his season is over ? Is that true as it didn't appear that serious last week. Unfortunately it looks like he is gone for inter county this year - hamstring badly torn. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 11:19:52 GMT
Just on Stefan, I saw a few tweets inferring his season is over ? Is that true as it didn't appear that serious last week. Unfortunately it looks like he is gone for inter county this year - hamstring badly torn. Ahh that is so unfortunate, I feel so sorry for him he can't seem to get a break. Not good for Kerry either. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 19, 2023 11:23:59 GMT
Might be mistaken here but I thought Jason's was just a coming together and they fell over each other. I didn't see it as a black card but I'm open to correction. Ok, I'll watch it back today.
If we are talking about the same incident, a Rossie frenemy next to me spotted a touch on the ground momentarily before what may have been a peno. In a wider context, and not that I myself ever professed to be a forensic expert on the skills of the game, but having last night had a close up of a few instances of what can only be described as pure magic, and on more than one occasion by laddos who are fighting for their places, I would certainly be taking a lot of comments on things like team selection less serious henceforth. In another vein, Foley is, well probably the standard bearer of Ballydonoghoor. I focused on him a bit and not alone was he covering prairies, but who ever he chose to mark, well I'll spare a wee sabbath intention for 'em - they had no sabbatical, no, it wasn't a holiday - a weekend break that probably broke their heart. S&C sure has worked but of course, well naturally, the raw material was there - as the China man says, 'may you live in interesting times' and interesting times there are here as this band reach their pinnacle. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 19, 2023 11:25:17 GMT
Unfortunately it looks like he is gone for inter county this year - hamstring badly torn. Ahh that is so unfortunate, I feel so sorry for him he can't seem to get a break. Not good for Kerry either. Did Tommy have similar rooted issues .. AFL? |
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Post by Corner Back on Mar 19, 2023 11:26:06 GMT
Wins for Monaghan and Mayo today will leave us safe from relegation. A win next week would guarantee us a league final |
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 19, 2023 11:32:19 GMT
Might be mistaken here but I thought Jason's was just a coming together and they fell over each other. I didn't see it as a black card but I'm open to correction. Ok, I'll watch it back today.
I agree, Jason seemed to stumble into him. Looked like he tripped over his own feet and then fell into the Roscommon man. Definitely a foul but would have been a harsh black. |
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Post by paudief on Mar 19, 2023 11:35:10 GMT
Open to correction but I think that rule is only there for hurling.
Just checking there, it was brought in on a trial basis before the 2021 season, and made permanent in 2022.
But you could be forgiven for thinking it wasn't, because I don't think I've seen one referee give it.
Amazing, must've been no cynical fouls committed on players going in for goal since the rule was introduced!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 19, 2023 11:36:48 GMT
Ahh that is so unfortunate, I feel so sorry for him he can't seem to get a break. Not good for Kerry either. Did Tommy have similar rooted issues .. AFL? No there not related. Tommy tore his hamstring off the bone and to me was unfortunately never the same. Stefan just seems very unfortunate with injuries a bit like Mike Breen. Very unlucky for the lad. |
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Post by clarinman on Mar 19, 2023 11:56:50 GMT
Wins for Monaghan and Mayo today will leave us safe from relegation. A win next week would guarantee us a league final Not necessarily. Wins for Kerry and Roscommon next week will leave 3 teams on 8 points and it will come down to points difference. Roscommon could be playing an already relegated Donegal. |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 19, 2023 12:02:10 GMT
Did Tommy have similar rooted issues .. AFL? No there not related. Tommy tore his hamstring off the bone and to me was unfortunately never the same. Stefan just seems very unfortunate with injuries a bit like Mike Breen. Very unlucky for the lad. Stephan s hamstring injury seemed minor at the time Here’s hoping he’ll be back and going in another week or two Unless someone here knows any different |
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 19, 2023 12:03:25 GMT
Ahh that is so unfortunate, I feel so sorry for him he can't seem to get a break. Not good for Kerry either. Did Tommy have similar rooted issues .. AFL? Tommy tore his hamstring off the bone - similar to Paul O’Connell. |
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 19, 2023 12:04:56 GMT
No there not related. Tommy tore his hamstring off the bone and to me was unfortunately never the same. Stefan just seems very unfortunate with injuries a bit like Mike Breen. Very unlucky for the lad. Stephan s hamstring injury seemed minor at the time Here’s hoping he’ll be back and going in another week or two Unless someone here knows any different Word is that it is much worse than feared - could miss the entire championship. |
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