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Post by mike70 on Oct 30, 2023 16:01:58 GMT
Performances of clubs vs performances of divisions is irrelevant. The makeup of the county championship is the strongest 8 clubs and 8 divisions made up of all the other clubs. Clubs compete against themselves to be in the county championship. Those arguing in favour of the clubs above - what do you want to become of poor performing divisional teams? A club team who are relegated go into the intermediate championship and join their division for the county championship. If you’re trying to relegate a division it just means they play no football. The CURRENT makeup of the county championship is 8 clubs and 8 divisions and I find it difficult to agree that any teams performance in the county championship is irrelevant. The make up of teams competing in the county championship has varied,- both at club and divisional level, over the years. Divisions like Eoin Rua, Na Fianna, Killarney and more recently Kenmare District have competed while dozens of clubs have come and gone with a very small number being ever present. I think Rahillys were the longest "ever present" (going back to the late 1920's) brigade. The current debate is as a result of the County Board restructuring of the competition in 2016 when the number 16 became the deciding factor. Before that the number of clubs in county championship was always greater than the number of divisions - typically 11 or 12 clubs with 8 or 9 divisional sides. In the most recent revision, Divisions were deemed sacrosanct with automatic entry to the championship with the only proviso being 8 was the maximum which gave rise to a Divisional playoff in 2016 & 2017 to eliminate 1 division in a preliminary round. Clubs lost out big time with a limit of 8 being imposed. The championship will continue to evolve and change and the current arguments centre on whether divisions automatic right to enter should be maintained or whether they should be required to qualify in some manner - I believe the performance of some divisions takes away from the integrity of the competition and an absolute right of a division to a place in the draw needs to be seriously reviewed. A fair and objective post , well said.
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Post by Premier on Oct 30, 2023 16:47:13 GMT
I believe I am correct, need to go back in time but the 3 clubs were 100% more competitive than a number of divisions, fact. Again I am talking about a better championship with these teams. If you increased the senior county championship by 4 teams, it would weaken the competiveness of the intermediate championship considerably. I don’t believe that would be case at all. If you reset the senior to 12 and moved the other teams by county league position, this is the way it would shape out: Dingle Crokes Kenmare Na Gaeil Spa Rathmore Fossa Templenoe Legion Kilcummin Milltown Stacks Rahillys Beaufort Gaeltacht Laune rangers Gneevguilla St Marys Glenbeigh Ballydonoghue Glenflesk Castleisland John Mitchells Ballymac Listowel Listry Ardfert Firies Currow Dromid Pearses Waterville Ballyduff Pats Castlegregory Annuscaul Brosna Churchill Senans Keel Renard Tarbert Coral Beale Knocknagoshel St Michael’s/Foilmore Skellig Rangers Kilgarvan Sneem/Derrynane Duagh Asdee Moyvane Valentia Lispole Cromane Scartaglen Finuge Tuosist Ballylongford This would be a much healthier balance and the divisions would be much more even as a result
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Post by diego on Oct 30, 2023 18:08:51 GMT
Last year has nothing to do with it. Based on this year why shouldn't Strand Road been relegated? No reason - however, if you look at the tables, Strand Road finished ahead of Feale & Shannon Rangers, South Kerry, West Kerry & St Brendans Board - St Brendans board were the worst team in the championship. My question remains however - Is it acceptable that a team give a walkover in the county championships?! What would be the point of travelling from back west all the way around to Cahersiveen during a yellow weather warning for a game where both teams were already eliminated? It was common sense not to fulfil that fixture.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 30, 2023 18:21:45 GMT
No reason - however, if you look at the tables, Strand Road finished ahead of Feale & Shannon Rangers, South Kerry, West Kerry & St Brendans Board - St Brendans board were the worst team in the championship. My question remains however - Is it acceptable that a team give a walkover in the county championships?! What would be the point of travelling from back west all the way around to Cahersiveen during a yellow weather warning for a game where both teams were already eliminated? It was common sense not to fulfil that fixture. All other fixtures were fulfilled - none deferred/postponed due the the weather.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Oct 30, 2023 18:26:07 GMT
Performances of clubs vs performances of divisions is irrelevant. The makeup of the county championship is the strongest 8 clubs and 8 divisions made up of all the other clubs. Clubs compete against themselves to be in the county championship. Those arguing in favour of the clubs above - what do you want to become of poor performing divisional teams? A club team who are relegated go into the intermediate championship and join their division for the county championship. If you’re trying to relegate a division it just means they play no football. The CURRENT makeup of the county championship is 8 clubs and 8 divisions and I find it difficult to agree that any teams performance in the county championship is irrelevant. The make up of teams competing in the county championship has varied,- both at club and divisional level, over the years. Divisions like Eoin Rua, Na Fianna, Killarney and more recently Kenmare District have competed while dozens of clubs have come and gone with a very small number being ever present. I think Rahillys were the longest "ever present" (going back to the late 1920's) brigade. The current debate is as a result of the County Board restructuring of the competition in 2016 when the number 16 became the deciding factor. Before that the number of clubs in county championship was always greater than the number of divisions - typically 11 or 12 clubs with 8 or 9 divisional sides. In the most recent revision, Divisions were deemed sacrosanct with automatic entry to the championship with the only proviso being 8 was the maximum which gave rise to a Divisional playoff in 2016 & 2017 to eliminate 1 division in a preliminary round. Clubs lost out big time with a limit of 8 being imposed. The championship will continue to evolve and change and the current arguments centre on whether divisions automatic right to enter should be maintained or whether they should be required to qualify in some manner - I believe the performance of some divisions takes away from the integrity of the competition and an absolute right of a division to a place in the draw needs to be seriously reviewed. The key premise of the county championship is that every player in the county is eligible. That must be maintained so not including poor performing divisions isn’t a runner. Now I would agree that if a division is consistently performing poorly a rejigging of the make up of the divisions should happen.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2023 1:23:05 GMT
Dingle are some people's favourites in Munster.
I think it would be an against odds achievement for them to do that.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 18, 2023 8:24:11 GMT
If injury free, Dingle should have enough to win munster.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 18, 2023 10:51:52 GMT
Dingle are some people's favourites in Munster. I think it would be an against odds achievement for them to do that. Dingle are a very good side. I wouldn’t read much into the Mid Kerry game as Mid Kerry would definitely win Munster and there was the tiredness factor. The standard of the other teams in Munster isn’t too high. I think it’d be disappointing for Dingle if they don’t win Munster. There’s actually a path to the AI final there for them because I think they avoid the Ulster and Leinster winners in the semi final.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2023 11:29:37 GMT
Dingle are some people's favourites in Munster. I think it would be an against odds achievement for them to do that. Dingle are a very good side. I wouldn’t read much into the Mid Kerry game as Mid Kerry would definitely win Munster and there was the tiredness factor. The standard of the other teams in Munster isn’t too high. I think it’d be disappointing for Dingle if they don’t win Munster. There’s actually a path to the AI final there for them because I think they avoid the Ulster and Leinster winners in the semi final. Is it their first time out in Munster? I have a notion that it is very hard to go far first time out. Maybe Narries show that as a lie. I think Clonmel and Castlehaven have this provincial experience I am talking about. I am loathe to invoke soccer, but we see the same with English teams in the European Cup. It takes them a while to find their feet in that competition.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 18, 2023 13:17:26 GMT
Selfishly, with a Kerry hat on, long run in Munster will kill off Paul Geaney at Inter County level, will give no break to Tom Sullivan and prevent a serious look at Conor or Dylan in the league
Tho only bonus is it would force Jack and Co. to look at alternative corner back options which might in a perverse way, allow us release Tom to the wing...
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Post by mossie on Nov 18, 2023 18:22:56 GMT
No reason - however, if you look at the tables, Strand Road finished ahead of Feale & Shannon Rangers, South Kerry, West Kerry & St Brendans Board - St Brendans board were the worst team in the championship. My question remains however - Is it acceptable that a team give a walkover in the county championships?! What would be the point of travelling from back west all the way around to Cahersiveen during a yellow weather warning for a game where both teams were already eliminated? It was common sense not to fulfil that fixture. what about a bit of pride in their jersey and the region\team they represent? Maybe get a win and end the campaign on a high? This is the premier sporting competition in kerry after all or maybe not the more I see applying your logic, teams shouldnt bother playing dead rubber county league matches either or national football league matches that are dead rubbers
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 26, 2023 14:55:05 GMT
Dingle are some people's favourites in Munster. I think it would be an against odds achievement for them to do that. A very good result for Dingle, the two county players stretching their lead from one to three in injury time.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 26, 2023 18:30:56 GMT
Dingle had to be favourites for munster as long as they get their starting 15 on the field. They have been consistent performers in kerry last few seasons.
I expect them to win munster, but an all ireland might be a bridge too far.
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Post by clarinman on Nov 26, 2023 18:57:10 GMT
Dingle had to be favourites for munster as long as they get their starting 15 on the field. They have been consistent performers in kerry last few seasons. I expect them to win munster, but an all ireland might be a bridge too far. Strength of the bench is a big worry for Dingle. Dylan Geaney very impressive in the second half. Paul Geaney and Tom Sullivan very quiet but did up it at the end for the last 2 scores. Tom nearly gave half of Dingle a heart attack with a crazy back pass from a free when they were one up at the end of normal time.
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Post by Premier on Nov 27, 2023 23:06:06 GMT
The word is that the final will be neutral, Limerick or Tipp. What a disaster. No1 can convince me that playing the game in Killarney or Mallow would be any more or less benefit to either side of apparent home advantage. Carrying teams half the length of the country to empty stadiums with no neutrals there to watch. If you put it within distance of people they would go and make a proper occasion of it
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 28, 2023 10:26:42 GMT
The word is that the final will be neutral, Limerick or Tipp. What a disaster. No1 can convince me that playing the game in Killarney or Mallow would be any more or less benefit to either side of apparent home advantage. Carrying teams half the length of the country to empty stadiums with no neutrals there to watch. If you put it within distance of people they would go and make a proper occasion of it 100% Killarney or Mallow would make so much more sense. Surely both clubs would have been willing to toss for either Killarney or Mallow.
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Post by homerj on Nov 28, 2023 12:00:31 GMT
ya these games should be played in smaller grounds and make it all ticket incase crowd goes over say 6,000.
imagine the atmosphere if you have a ground packed to capacity!
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 29, 2023 21:38:40 GMT
Dingle v Castlehaven fixed for Limerick. Had hoped there might be some sort of arrangement and it would be Killarney but no joy.
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Post by ballybunion on Nov 29, 2023 21:46:41 GMT
Sunday December 10th at 2pm Dingle v Castlehaven in Limerick.
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Post by Premier on Nov 29, 2023 23:08:26 GMT
Sunday December 10th at 2pm Dingle v Castlehaven in Limerick. An honestly incomprehensible decision. 2:40 for castlehaven. 2:10 for Dingle. Up to a soulless stadium with no neutral supporters. The mind boggles
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Post by mike70 on Dec 10, 2023 17:02:21 GMT
Dingle will be very disappointed after that loss and so cruel to lose on penalties, add the awful weather, how the game went ahead, who knows.
Not much in it all day, you would have thought dingle might push on and win the game when haven lost one of the Hurley and one cahalane for a period. In fairness the haven boys just kept coming back with the wind,draw maybe a fair result in FT and extra time.
Hard luck to Dingle.
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Post by The16thMan on Dec 10, 2023 19:46:16 GMT
How the game went ahead baffles me, the pictures shown on TG4 showed weather you wouldn't put a dog out in. It was actually dangerous, Tom Sullivan was lucky after turning his ankle in a puddle under the Mackey stand that he didn't suffer anything worse... However, Dingle will be disappointed in their game management. Situations like Mikey Geaney booting the ball over the sideline when they were 2 points up, rather than trying to work another score.. That was what cost Dingle, they were the only team to take the lead in the 80+ minutes but they allowed Castlehaven to claw their way back everytime. They will learn from this. Pity about how it all ended bit fair play to both sets of players for putting in the effort in that weather and hopefully Castlehaven can give a good account in the semi final.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 10, 2023 20:07:03 GMT
Just getting to comment now,
The GAA should be ashamed that they played a game in a weather warning today.
No consideration for the wellbeing of players or travelling supporters.
It's was nearly comical at one stage where the ball was just being blown backwards.
How Dingle lost ill never know.
We really show our amature status with daft decisions like that today.
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 10, 2023 23:18:40 GMT
Dingle looked the better side but the dog in Castlehaven ended up being the difference - they just never gave up and Dingle will be rightly disappointed with the outcome. Conditions were dreadful and unfair on both sides but probably hurt Dingle more than Castlehaven. Castlehaven are unlikely to progress much further but have a Munster title for their troubles.
December is no time to be playing Championship football but difficult to see how this can be avoided - maybe each province needs an indoor pitch like the one in Mayo for these games.
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Post by shannonsider on Dec 10, 2023 23:26:13 GMT
Dingle will be sick if they watch that one back. Threw it away in both normal time, extra time and penalties. Tough one to take.
Having Paul Geaney way out the field having no effect on the game when playing with gale in 1st half was an atrocious call by their management. Paul kicked 1 good score in extra time but Aodán MacGearailt giving him MOM was a fright to God. He was nowhere near his best and fairly poor.
Dingle picked up a good few knocks during the game, Tom O’Sullivan most notably but they were very naive in their lack of game management at stages and Mark Collins, Damien & Conor Cahalane and Cathal Maguire showed a lot of doggedness and experience to keep Castlehaven in it.
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Post by greenandgold on Dec 11, 2023 8:30:19 GMT
Dingle will be sick if they watch that one back. Threw it away in both normal time, extra time and penalties. Tough one to take. Having Paul Geaney way out the field having no effect on the game when playing with gale in 1st half was an atrocious call by their management. Paul kicked 1 good score in extra time but Aodán MacGearailt giving him MOM was a fright to God. He was nowhere near his best and fairly poor. Dingle picked up a good few knocks during the game, Tom O’Sullivan most notably but they were very naive in their lack of game management at stages and Mark Collins, Damien & Conor Cahalane and Cathal Maguire showed a lot of doggedness and experience to keep Castlehaven in it. I actually though Paul Geaney played v well - esp in 2nd half and in extra time- showed game-knowledge and ‘cuteness’ a few times . Agree re him being so far outfield in 1st half but I wonder was that intentional because he was, to say the least tightly marked so had he stayed closer to goal, it would have been v crowded. Unfortunately i agree that game management by Dingle at end of normal time and esp extra time (although fatigue was undoubtedly a major factor here) was lacking . But also some of the misses in 1st half hurt - should have been further ahead and obv if Tom o’ Sullivans extra time point went a few inches lower then you’d think that would have won it. Have to give credit to the doggedness of Castlehaven too though. Fantastic game considering the conditions- a shame the attendance was so low ( location and weather major factors of course)
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Post by homerj on Dec 11, 2023 9:34:59 GMT
hard luck to Dingle, as close as it gets to winning it. hopefully they will be back.
just regarding game management and all this, come backs and so on. the elements played a huge part in this and its very unfair to criticise anybody. its not always poor tactics or blame, when theres a storm preventing you doing the basics
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Post by kerryblueboy on Dec 11, 2023 9:36:27 GMT
Unreal conditions to play a game of football dingle threw it away had loads of chances to win it and let the cork lads hang in there should Tom Sullivan be taking a penalty considering he was down injured a few times mistake for me
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Post by glengael on Dec 11, 2023 9:42:08 GMT
The GAA showed just how little they care about 'player welfare' by having that game go ahead in those conditions. Also no respect for supporters, as usual, dragging them needlessly to an empty stadium when Killarney or Mallow could have hosted the game.
I hope in vain that someone in the Kerry County Board might raise this dangerous farce at provincial level but of course they won't.
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Post by clarinman on Dec 11, 2023 10:33:08 GMT
The GAA showed just how little they care about 'player welfare' by having that game go ahead in those conditions. Also no respect for supporters, as usual, dragging them needlessly to an empty stadium when Killarney or Mallow could have hosted the game. I hope in vain that someone in the Kerry County Board might raise this dangerous farce at provincial level but of course they won't. In fairness to the Munster Council, an offer was made to both clubs to toss for Tralee or Pairc Ui Chaoimh. The clubs turned down this offer.
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