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Post by mossie on Feb 19, 2023 22:42:15 GMT
The Rossies did nicely today against Armagh and deserved their win. I'd be very disappointed if we don't beat Ros. and Armagh I was in Hyde Park and believe me both teams looked just a little above average. Watch out for The Dubs this year Not being smart but it does nt work like that. At the moment both Rossies and Armagh probably a little better than us. Next week with home advantage I'd like to think we will win but not a given by any means. Yes midfield is a problem but David Moran don't grow on trees. This year was always going to be tough midfield. People saying Barry Dan not the answer and maybe they are right but tell me one Kerry midfielder that has shone constantly besides Moran since Anthony Maher and Sheahan retired. Hopefully Diarmuid might be the answer but he has blown hot and cold midfield too.Dubs are the benchmark and as has been mentioned earlier they tried to win every game. Some say it was only the McGrath Cup. Now its only February. Losing like winni g becomes a habit. We need to win next week and definately not lose anyway. This league is going to have some relegation battle. In a way maybe its no harm that a couple of goals were scored as I did argue last year that while our defense was mean we did give up goal chances (they just were nt converted. Yesterday the first half performance was dire and the worst I've seen for years. Time for certain players to pee or get off the pot. I think Barry Dan is doing okay and an option to throw in at 14 from time to time
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Post by mossie on Feb 19, 2023 22:43:42 GMT
McCaffrey is some player for the Dubs. They will go close this year They went close last year! we kind of fell over the line in the semi final and they were short Con
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Post by blacksheep21 on Feb 19, 2023 22:58:25 GMT
It really is incredible to see how quickly some Kerry supporters turning their backs on a team so quickly. Nothing has happened so far that wasn't expected. Be patient and get behind the team when they now need it the most. Ffs. There are always those who have been waiting for this moment this past year.
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Post by mossie on Feb 19, 2023 23:46:13 GMT
They went close last year! we kind of fell over the line in the semi final and they were short Con Yes Dublin will be better this year. The big question is will we? we will be better I am confident on that
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Post by piggott on Feb 20, 2023 0:23:16 GMT
Championship begins 6th May. 11 weeks away. It will be all go May and June. We must win munster to be seeded 1. if we lose munster we seeded 2 and in with Connaught winners.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 20, 2023 5:56:58 GMT
We are all ireland champions , the only starting player from last years team missing will be Dave Moran, so for me the questions we are asking from our league campaign. 1. can we replace DM, so far the answer is NO, maybe we can bridge the gap, only time will tell.
2. Can we perform without DC, answer 100% NO
3. Can we improve our bench, so far the guys have not stepped up, but we get a better view when we introduce the guys into the team as replacement when we start our best 15, so last few league games needs to be used to get our best 15 settled and look at the sub performance from that perspective.
Our biggest risk is some of last year starting 15 are not performing, the risk is highest from 8 to 15.
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Post by kerrysouth on Feb 20, 2023 8:11:04 GMT
Other results have worked in our favour yesterday .Donegal and Monaghan favourites to be relegated looked very poor but we do need to start picking up points starting sat evening .Div 2 looks to be a stronger division .Watched the highlights again and the lack of mobility in midfield is really hurting us with the runners from midfield creating overlaps and exerting huge pressure on our defence .Jack needs mobile midfielders or this will really hurt us later in the summer on faster surfaces.No need to panic yet still in a reasonable position in the league table 6 points should easily keep us up .That was always the target as we are well behind other teams in our preparation due to holidays combined with the number of players we are missing .
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 20, 2023 9:03:58 GMT
The big worry is if something happens to David Clifford. A worry stat is the Mayo keeper scored more than any of the starting forwards.
As others have said there's too many of the same types of player, particularly in the forwards. It also seems to be the same players who just aren't doing it despite having been given a lot of chances at this point.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 20, 2023 9:09:42 GMT
We are all ireland champions , the only starting player from last years team missing will be Dave Moran, so for me the questions we are asking from our league campaign. 1. can we replace DM, so far the answer is NO, maybe we can bridge the gap, only time will tell. 2. Can we perform without DC, answer 100% NO 3. Can we improve our bench, so far the guys have not stepped up, but we get a better view when we introduce the guys into the team as replacement when we start our best 15, so last few league games needs to be used to get our best 15 settled and look at the sub performance from that perspective. Our biggest risk is some of last year starting 15 are not performing, the risk is highest from 8 to 15. You are correct in what you say but even David won't save us from performances like Sat night. David can influence our scoring but if the supply is nt good. The problem the last night is Mayo were able to run through us and our half forward line were nt good enough either. We need another string to our bow. I still think we have scoring forwards that can destroy lots of teams especially croke park but we need another strong midfielder and the backs need tightening up again. For teams like Mayo we probably need a 3rd midfielder to play defensive from half forward ie Adrian or his likes. A lot of the failings from Saturday night, the covering, tracking, turnovers etc were missing as our half forward line lacked physicality . Who was missing, Adrian Spillane, I'm not saying we would have won with him on the field, abd some fans don't rate the Templenoe man, I'm the opposite, he was exactly what was missing last Saturday night.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 20, 2023 10:40:35 GMT
You are correct in what you say but even David won't save us from performances like Sat night. David can influence our scoring but if the supply is nt good. The problem the last night is Mayo were able to run through us and our half forward line were nt good enough either. We need another string to our bow. I still think we have scoring forwards that can destroy lots of teams especially croke park but we need another strong midfielder and the backs need tightening up again. For teams like Mayo we probably need a 3rd midfielder to play defensive from half forward ie Adrian or his likes. A lot of the failings from Saturday night, the covering, tracking, turnovers etc were missing as our half forward line lacked physicality . Who was missing, Adrian Spillane, I'm not saying we would have won with him on the field, abd some fans don't rate the Templenoe man, I'm the opposite, he was exactly what was missing last Saturday night. I agree with you horse, Every team needs a man like Spillane to do the dirty work. Now I dont think it would have changed the result as we were awful on every line. We had chances but our shooting was really bad. Struggling to think of a worse performance since Meath in 2001
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Post by thehermit on Feb 20, 2023 11:14:03 GMT
Ah a few of the League games in 2013 and 14 were as bad Royal - was it against Donegal where we failed to score in the entire first half at home in Killaney!
Eamon never much bothered with the League though, its very rare to see a Jack O'Connor team playing so badly in it!
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 20, 2023 11:25:03 GMT
Complete overreaction on here.
People have no idea what type of training Kerry are doing. Remember how Limerick hurlers trained intensely through the league last year and their league performances suffered? I've no doubt Kerry are doing something similar.
People talking about how Kerry's performances show how irreplaceable David Moran is - you know he only played more than 35 minutes in two games in 2022, missing the entire league?
I've no doubt the Kerry team that started on Saturday would beat Mayo if they met in Croke Park in July, never mind with all the big guns back.
Don't underestimate what a difference Shane Ryan in goals makes to the team also.
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Post by homerj on Feb 20, 2023 11:29:56 GMT
as somebody said to me after the game, Jack will learn more from that game than any in his time since coming back, so all is not lost.
as dominant as Mayo were, Kerry gifted them 2 goals. 5 of the starting 15, i dont think we will see much of them again in a starting 15 youd imagine either.
most disappointing aspect for me was Jordan Flynn was essentially a free man and was causing havoc (i assume he was MOM on tv??). i was watching him closely and couldnt believe how much freedom he got and how long it took to sort it.
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Post by homerj on Feb 20, 2023 11:33:29 GMT
oh, amongest all the talk about Clifford etc coming on, i thought Stefan was very good when he came on and our better ending to the game, was helped by the energy he brought to the team. defo deserves a starting spot the next night.
shame on that very poor stadium announcer, for how he couldnt pronounce his name and just gave up. do your f*kcing research before hand ffs.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 20, 2023 11:53:47 GMT
Complete overreaction on here. People have no idea what type of training Kerry are doing. Remember how Limerick hurlers trained intensely through the league last year and their league performances suffered? I've no doubt Kerry are doing something similar. People talking about how Kerry's performances show how irreplaceable David Moran is - you know he only played more than 35 minutes in two games in 2022, missing the entire league? I've no doubt the Kerry team that started on Saturday would beat Mayo if they met in Croke Park in July, never mind with all the big guns back. Don't underestimate what a difference Shane Ryan in goals makes to the team also. I would say im generally the most optimistic person on here most of the time but i dont see that Kerry team that started on Sat beating Mayo in July. I don't think it's an overreaction to call the game as it was. @hermit that's true regarding previous league games but we weren't all ireland champions and down 11 points at HT. Stefan Okunbor needs to start on Sat in my opinion. He did ok on Sat but like the week before the game was well over at that stage.
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Post by Joxer on Feb 20, 2023 13:27:47 GMT
Complete overreaction on here. Thats a shocker Jo! Didn't see that coming...
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 20, 2023 13:39:04 GMT
Article In Irish Examiner by James Horan regarding Kerry v Mayo game - SUN, 19 FEB, 2023 - 14:13
James Horan: Flynn already a Mayo leader but Jack O’Connor will be fuming
Some Kerry players who played Saturday night, may not see game time again for a long while.
A first-half performance from Mayo in Castlebar that was full of the key attributes you want from a team.
2-8 to 0-3 at the break Saturday night in favour of Mayo was something to behold, and due reward for effort. Mayo, full of vigour, pummelled an unbelievably lacklustre Kerry team, whose attitude was so far off what you expect from a county that relishes victory and competition like none other.
Mayo were fantastic, though. Their attitude was exemplary, 10 out of 10, and the visitors to Hastings MacHale Park could not or did not want to keep pace.
Jack O’Connor will be quietly stewing. I would go as far as to say that some Kerry players who played Saturday night, may not see game time again for a long time. A chance to stand up when things were going badly was spurned by too many. The Kerry manager will be annoyed for sure.
This Mayo team are in a good place; momentum is with them, players are returning from injury, decisions are going their way (a lot of steps for Ryan O’Donoghue’s opening goal which changed the flow of the game was allowed), all of which can be so important. There are enough smarts in that dressing room, though, to take the victory for what it was. It was a reward for hard work, attitude and no little skill, against an opposition that played poorly.
It’s February in what will be a strange season with new formats and an abundance of games, so any mature analysis will be factual, taking the learnings, accepting Kerry will be a different beast next time out, and move forward to Tuesday’s session.
The seasoned Mayo players will be really buoyed and energised by the composure Bob Touhy is displaying. They will be happy David McBrien is finally getting a run of games, and also now that Rory Brickenden is displaying his speed and defensive ability. Rory is one of the fastest players around, so no one will beat him on speed. Jack Coyne, despite his schedule, also looked full of running. His give and go when he came on, had a few of the opposition just dropping their heads.
James Carr, at times mercurial, was wreaking havoc in the first half and it must have felt like his birthday with the space he was given. It’s a small thing but the angle and weight of Diarmuid O’Connor’s handpass into James created the goal chance. James could take the ball facing goal which allowed him, in one movement to cut across the defender, opening the goal for his shot.
It was in such contrast to how Kerry were attacking. The All-Ireland champions played slowly, with most of their players holding onto the ball three or four seconds longer than they needed too. Their forwards were all taking the ball running away from goal. This allowed Mayo players to amble back into defensive position. Little or no threat in the first half as a result.
Jordan Flynn really rolls up the sleeves each and every day and is a player that others are now responding to. He is brave, strong, willing to work, and his skills and confidence are really shining through. He is becoming the heartbeat of the team. His connection with Mattie Ruane in the middle is vital, as is his understanding with Aidan O’Shea, when inside, contributed to his 0-4 from play. He also should have had a penalty. Some performance.
Mayo are at Championship condition level, no question, which suggests their pre-season must have been a high level. The level of their conditioning was evident throughout the game. How many times did we see Enda Hession take a short kick out, solo, and then drive past multiple Kerry players.
Take Jordan Flynn's first score of the second half: he brushed Tadgh Morley out of the way as though he was not there. Kerry could not break through the Mayo combat area or get through the tackle, and quickly started to look backwards instead of taking the fight forward. This did change with the introduction at half time of David Clifford and Seanie O’Shea. They showed strong leadership, and Clifford’s points were a little special.
The Mayo supporters would have enjoyed this one, and rightly so - it was a while coming. It was a serious evening's entertainment in MacHale Park, watching a group of guys you know so well performing so impressively. Of course, winning or losing league games at this stage of the campaign is not the end of the world and other performance criteria can supersede the final score - criteria like team development, structure, shape enhancement and individual player improvements take pre-eminence. It’s the manner of the performance and how you delivered on targets that’s key. On that front, Mayo will be happy.
As for Kerry, I am sure there will be so shortage of experts to tell them what was wrong! But it is safe to assume you may not see a Kerry team that bad or that dominated again. It will certainly help Jack O’Connor in terms of firing up their season. Clearly 2022 rustiness is still lingering.
But I wouldn’t have liked to be on the bus back to Kerry afterwards…
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Post by peanuts on Feb 20, 2023 13:58:58 GMT
Complete overreaction on here. People have no idea what type of training Kerry are doing. Remember how Limerick hurlers trained intensely through the league last year and their league performances suffered? I've no doubt Kerry are doing something similar. People talking about how Kerry's performances show how irreplaceable David Moran is - you know he only played more than 35 minutes in two games in 2022, missing the entire league? I've no doubt the Kerry team that started on Saturday would beat Mayo if they met in Croke Park in July, never mind with all the big guns back. Don't underestimate what a difference Shane Ryan in goals makes to the team also. I would say im generally the most optimistic person on here most of the time but i dont see that Kerry team that started on Sat beating Mayo in July.I don't think it's an overreaction to call the game as it was. @hermit that's true regarding previous league games but we weren't all ireland champions and down 11 points at HT. Stefan Okunbor needs to start on Sat in my opinion. He did ok on Sat but like the week before the game was well over at that stage. I don't think it would either. A moot point anyway because the Kerry team in July will have most of Ryan, White, Beaglaoich, Diarmaid O'Connor, A. Spillane , S. O'Brien, Seanie, David Clifford and P. Geaney playing. That's 9 players of which at least 7 I would expect to be starting come championship. There's no doubt it was disappointing on Saturday night but when you see Tom O'Sullivan kicking the ball straight up in the air when going for a point you know its just not going to be your night. As others have said Seanie and David will most likely start on Saturday night. That will allow the other forwards a better opportunity to show what they can do.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 20, 2023 14:08:03 GMT
Complete overreaction on here. People have no idea what type of training Kerry are doing. Remember how Limerick hurlers trained intensely through the league last year and their league performances suffered? I've no doubt Kerry are doing something similar. People talking about how Kerry's performances show how irreplaceable David Moran is - you know he only played more than 35 minutes in two games in 2022, missing the entire league? I've no doubt the Kerry team that started on Saturday would beat Mayo if they met in Croke Park in July, never mind with all the big guns back. Don't underestimate what a difference Shane Ryan in goals makes to the team also. I agree with a lot of what you say - there’s no doubt Kerry are playing catch up in terms of fitness - very obvious on Sat night. I remember a few years ago that players trained harder before away games than home games as they always wanted to perform in front of home crowd. The difference a few players would make should not be underestimated- hard to see anyone, other than Paudie, being one of our sextet come championship. It’s obvious too we need legs around the middle - for that reasons alone I would be starting Adrian or Stefan in midfield - if not , there should be a slot for Stefan in the half back line next weekend - he is a serious athlete & well worth a look. There’s no need for panic now - Mayo were gunning for us, had the legs & @ home were always going to be formidable- if we meet later in the summer, don’t see the same thing happening as last Sat night.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 20, 2023 15:51:40 GMT
Complete overreaction on here. Thats a shocker Jo! Didn't see that coming... I honestly don't see what the issue is with the reaction to that game. Yes there are mitigates that can give us some comfort but having sat through it,it's fair to say it as it is. It's also a comfort that no team is pulling up trees at the minute.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 20, 2023 16:18:39 GMT
There is always an overreaction whether Kerry win or lose.
Kerry will be physically ready and as fit, sharp and conditioned as any other team when it comes to June and July.
What remains to be seen is will we see an improvement individually and collectively in defence like we did last year.
Can we cope with the loss of David Moran on and off the field.
Can we create more and convert goal chances against the top teams.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 20, 2023 16:49:57 GMT
My take on it was that a number of factors almost collectively conspired if by coincidence, chief of which was Mayo having targeted this game and by the time we realised that the damage was done and we were shell shocked.
Donegal threw the game against us last year in was it ASP only to topple Tyrone 7 days later. Of course we all want to see teams always playing at their best but can we now recover enough for Armagh and who will see a potential opportunity here?
While I like McStay, Rochford is a big plus there, to me he is very under-rated and it could also be that they have clicked and nobody can deny but that the always entertain with traditional skill and tactics.
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Post by john4 on Feb 20, 2023 17:58:19 GMT
Take Roscommon out of this and it's very even!
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Post by peanuts on Feb 20, 2023 19:59:29 GMT
Was Jack interviewed after the game? I haven’t heard anything from him. It would be interesting t oh hear what he said.
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Post by john4 on Feb 20, 2023 20:03:56 GMT
Was Jack interviewed after the game? I haven’t heard anything from him. It would be interesting t oh hear what he said.
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Post by exiled on Feb 20, 2023 22:30:03 GMT
I asked earlier has Paddy Tally left the Kerry backroom team. Does anyone have an answer. Saturday night didn't have his stamp on it.
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Post by peanuts on Feb 20, 2023 22:34:56 GMT
Was Jack interviewed after the game? I haven’t heard anything from him. It would be interesting t oh hear what he said. Thanks John4. I actually heard a bit of that just after I posted. Colm Boyle was very good on OTB this evening.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 20, 2023 23:04:39 GMT
I asked earlier has Paddy Tally left the Kerry backroom team. Does anyone have an answer. Saturday night didn't have his stamp on it. Yes I saw Paddy at the game
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Post by jackiel on Feb 21, 2023 9:26:06 GMT
I sat down to re-watch the match last night, it didn't get any better. I won't rehash other's comments but I feel that there are a few lads who may have used their last chance to shine on Sat. Shane Ryan is our No 1 and no mistake. I felt Dara Moynihan gave a good account of himself, Stefan needs more game time.
I've seen Paddy Tally at matches but no sign of Tony Griffin, has he left the set up?
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Post by john4 on Feb 21, 2023 10:21:35 GMT
I sat down to re-watch the match last night, it didn't get any better. I won't rehash other's comments but I feel that there are a few lads who may have used their last chance to shine on Sat. Shane Ryan is our No 1 and no mistake. I felt Dara Moynihan gave a good account of himself, Stefan needs more game time. I've seen Paddy Tally at matches but no sign of Tony Griffin, has he left the set up? Pat Spillane made the comment after the All Ireland final that Killian was naturally talented but that Adrian needed to work hard to find improvements in himself. I've seen this before and the difference doesn't really become apparent until senior level. Killian has been given so many chances to come in and make a difference and unfortunately it's just not happening for him, whereas Adrian will burst the gut with every opportunity given. And at senior Intercounty, battling qualities are vital.
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