Kerry v Mayo, Castlebar, Feb 18th @ 7.30pm - NFL Rd. 3

[The16thMan]

Nice to see Kerry get their 1st 2 league points on the board. Some good showings in the 1st two games from Donal Down and Roche up front. Mayo will be a different test away in Castlebar however but I would expect some more of our key players to be at least in the squad for this game. Perhaps the likes of Seanie, SOB, Geaney and Brian Begley. Ryan and Paudie were on the bench vs Monaghan so maybe they'll see their 1st starts of the year against Mayo. Would definitely like to see Roche and Donal Down retain their places to see how they progress. Should be a tough game but I think Kerry should have enough for Mayo if we put in a strong performance.

[peanuts]

This will be a serious test. Mayo are further along in terms of fitness than us so will be difficult.

[royalkerryfan]

Feb 5, 2023 20:54:03 GMT peanuts said:

This will be a serious test. Mayo are further along in terms of fitness than us so will be difficult.

You'd take a point up there Peanuts.

[peanuts]

Feb 5, 2023 21:25:52 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Feb 5, 2023 20:54:03 GMT peanuts said:

This will be a serious test. Mayo are further along in terms of fitness than us so will be difficult.

You'd take a point up there Peanuts.

Absolutely

[kerrybhoy06]

Feb 5, 2023 17:40:44 GMT The16thMan said:

Nice to see Kerry get their 1st 2 league points on the board. Some good showings in the 1st two games from Donal Down and Roche up front. Mayo will be a different test away in Castlebar however but I would expect some more of our key players to be at least in the squad for this game. Perhaps the likes of Seanie, SOB, Geaney and Brian Begley. Ryan and Paudie were on the bench vs Monaghan so maybe they'll see their 1st starts of the year against Mayo. Would definitely like to see Roche and Donal Down retain their places to see how they progress. Should be a tough game but I think Kerry should have enough for Mayo if we put in a strong performance.

Roche and O Sullivan have to keep their places, would be lunacy to drop them

[royalkerryfan]

Feb 5, 2023 21:36:12 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Feb 5, 2023 17:40:44 GMT The16thMan said:

Nice to see Kerry get their 1st 2 league points on the board. Some good showings in the 1st two games from Donal Down and Roche up front. Mayo will be a different test away in Castlebar however but I would expect some more of our key players to be at least in the squad for this game. Perhaps the likes of Seanie, SOB, Geaney and Brian Begley. Ryan and Paudie were on the bench vs Monaghan so maybe they'll see their 1st starts of the year against Mayo. Would definitely like to see Roche and Donal Down retain their places to see how they progress. Should be a tough game but I think Kerry should have enough for Mayo if we put in a strong performance.

Roche and O Sullivan have to keep their places, would be lunacy to drop them

Shane Ryan and possible 2 changes in the half back line I reckon.

[horsebox77]

According to Indo. Jack has confirmed Seanie will be involved vs Mayo in 'some shape or form'

[mike70]

I would think kerry want to be competitive against mayo, so I think he will take what’s available for that battle.
I am sure kerry don’t want to be labelled a soft team without Clifford and co and that could be the opinion, if well beaten by mayo, so let’s not let it happen, so PC and SOS will help the cause, the kerry team against Donegal you would think would struggle against mayo.

[Whosinmidfield]

I wonder will David be included in the 26 or will he be given another week?

[royalkerryfan]

Feb 5, 2023 22:29:55 GMT Whosinmidfield said:

I wonder will David be included in the 26 or will he be given another week?

I think he will be on the bench.

That'll be a month off or so.

I'd say hes bored at this stage 🤣🤣

[blacksheep21]

Kerry’s first Munster championship game is against tipp or Waterford 4 weeks after the last league game assuming they don’t make the final. The Munster final is two weeks after that. Jack will have ample time to rest guys between now and then.

I think Jack will want all his key men to play some league football as they are guaranteed to get to the round robin in mid May

[Jo90]

I'd like to see Kerry go with the more traditional 2 midfielders route than the 3 midfielder tactic that Jack is fond of, just as an experiment in a couple of league games anyway.
If we had a glut of great midfielders I'd say fine, but without Moran or O'Connor, we're more stacked in the forwards than in midfield.
Put Adrian Spillane in the traditional no. 9 spot with Jack Barry and put Paudie Clifford wing forward.
O'Shea as centre-forward and then the other wing-forward spot up for grabs.

In Championship Stephen O'Brien still the forerunner after his performance in the All-Ireland final, but in the league worth experimenting with besides a 3rd midfielder.

[royalkerryfan]

Feb 7, 2023 10:00:21 GMT Jo90 said:

I'd like to see Kerry go with the more traditional 2 midfielders route than the 3 midfielder tactic that Jack is fond of, just as an experiment in a couple of league games anyway.
If we had a glut of great midfielders I'd say fine, but without Moran or O'Connor, we're more stacked in the forwards than in midfield.
Put Adrian Spillane in the traditional no. 9 spot with Jack Barry and put Paudie Clifford wing forward.
O'Shea as centre-forward and then the other wing-forward spot up for grabs.

In Championship Stephen O'Brien still the forerunner after his performance in the All-Ireland final, but in the league worth experimenting with besides a 3rd midfielder.

We don't have 2 dominant midfielders to enable us to play an orthodox midfield.

We have enough scoring forwards to give us that extra worker in Adrain at 12.

Paidi normally plays out there anyway and leaves the two boys inside.

Midfield is the big worry for me, I thought Stefan did ok when he came on.
I noticed he always opted for handpassing and I only kicked the ball once.
I think he also had an opportunity to take a score and didint take on the shot.

We need Diarmuid OConnor fit for the big games.

[dc84]

I would tend to disagree a bit re the 3 inside forward line tbh fine at the moment with dc not playing.
The more space we create for David the better imo having an extra 2 players one of ours and a marker in there just clogs things up if we have paudie roaming it takes a bit of pressure off o shea to be the link man on the 40 and allows him to attack more see first half vs dublin last year.

[Jo90]

Feb 7, 2023 13:58:45 GMT ciarraimick said:

Feb 7, 2023 13:31:50 GMT dc84 said:

I would tend to disagree a bit re the 3 inside forward line tbh fine at the moment with dc not playing.
The more space we create for David the better imo having an extra 2 players one of ours and a marker in there just clogs things up if we have paudie roaming it takes a bit of pressure off o shea to be the link man on the 40 and allows him to attack more see first half vs dublin last year.

Yeah I see your point but also when David is being double marked having two other scoring corner forwards would pose fierce problems for opposing teams.

I agree. Teams will have a plan for D Clifford.
Yes, may go with the Mike Tyson line - everyone has a plan until I punch them in the face, but some will do it successfully, so will need a good few scorers when that happens, particularly long range shooters.

[Whosinmidfield]

Feb 7, 2023 13:31:50 GMT dc84 said:

I would tend to disagree a bit re the 3 inside forward line tbh fine at the moment with dc not playing.
The more space we create for David the better imo having an extra 2 players one of ours and a marker in there just clogs things up if we have paudie roaming it takes a bit of pressure off o shea to be the link man on the 40 and allows him to attack more see first half vs dublin last year.

I agree totally. We want the ball in David’s hands as much as possible, if there’s 3 inside forwards the ball going into each of their hands is reduced. It’s very rare that whenever we’ve played 3 inside that all have played well. What we do need is scores coming from the 2 wing forwards as well as of course from Seanie and Paudie.

[dc84]

Personally I'd like to see more rotation teams of course will have plans for David thats why we need more options but if always have two inside.
Have david and let's say roche in for 10 then put o shea in for ten and pull out david then have david and o brien in for a while.
This keeps teams guessing and if david is double marked if he pulls out then the 2nd marker has a decision to make does he leave david one on one on the wing or leave o shea and roche 2 on 2 inside.fpr this to happen you need scoring forwards who can also work hard at the moment obrien and o shea can do it if we had one more it would be ideal hopefully one of roche or donal o sullivan will fit the bill.

[royalkerryfan]

Not sure if many are travelling but I originally wasn't but a change of circumstances means I'm free to go.

I must have made multiple calls this evening and it looked like a round trip from Meath. Not ideal.

No accommodation in Castlebar.

Literally got the the last BB I reckon in Westport...

Hope it was worth it!

Any recommendations for a pint in Westport?

[horsebox77]

Feb 7, 2023 10:49:33 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Feb 7, 2023 10:00:21 GMT Jo90 said:

I'd like to see Kerry go with the more traditional 2 midfielders route than the 3 midfielder tactic that Jack is fond of, just as an experiment in a couple of league games anyway.
If we had a glut of great midfielders I'd say fine, but without Moran or O'Connor, we're more stacked in the forwards than in midfield.
Put Adrian Spillane in the traditional no. 9 spot with Jack Barry and put Paudie Clifford wing forward.
O'Shea as centre-forward and then the other wing-forward spot up for grabs.

In Championship Stephen O'Brien still the forerunner after his performance in the All-Ireland final, but in the league worth experimenting with besides a 3rd midfielder.

We don't have 2 dominant midfielders to enable us to play an orthodox midfield.

We have enough scoring forwards to give us that extra worker in Adrain at 12.

Paidi normally plays out there anyway and leaves the two boys inside.

Midfield is the big worry for me, I thought Stefan did ok when he came on.
I noticed he always opted for handpassing and I only kicked the ball once.
I think he also had an opportunity to take a score and didint take on the shot.

We need Diarmuid OConnor fit for the big games.

I disagree regarding Stefan, I though his positioning was very poor, he invariably turned in and passed back, this resulted in him being in the way or blocking the receiver… this forced a double back pass and momentum lost, this happened four or five times. He more or less got in his own way.

Stefan may have a role as a physical breaker or to win primary ‘marks’’ late on just to retain possession, I just don’t think he has the pace for intercounty

Think the panel and starting team will be considerably bolstered by Shane Ryqn, Paudie, Seanie and I actually expect DC to be on the bench, I wish he wasn’t but suspect he will.

Think Seanie will start as we are missing way too many frees and 45’s, Paudie will also start as will Shawnee Ryan in my my opinion.

[royalkerryfan]

Fair points Horse,

I did only say he did ok 🤣🤣🤣🤣

But I can certainly see what you are saying.

[horsebox77]

Feb 7, 2023 20:13:01 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Fair points Horse,

I did only say he did ok 🤣🤣🤣🤣

But I can certainly see what you are saying.

Ah I'm not saying in right, just was an obvious observation.

Being honest, Barry Dan has only been ok too and I'd be a fan of the Dingle man.

Have a sneaky feeling Seanie may end up midfield until Diarmuid recovers.

We are very light in cover, I would however like to try something left field, as in one big and one baller, like say a Breen in at midfield, if Adrian was on the wing the long ball option could still be availed of, but invariably these days the ball goes short

[southward]

Feb 7, 2023 20:13:01 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Fair points Horse,

I did only say he did ok 🤣🤣🤣🤣

But I can certainly see what you are saying.

Is it unfair to suggest that Stefan is far more of an athlete than he is a footballer?

I don't think he's a midfielder anyway.

[royalkerryfan]

Feb 7, 2023 20:49:54 GMT horsebox77 said:

Feb 7, 2023 20:13:01 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Fair points Horse,

I did only say he did ok 🤣🤣🤣🤣

But I can certainly see what you are saying.

Ah I'm not saying in right, just was an obvious observation.

Being honest, Barry Dan has only been ok too and I'd be a fan of the Dingle man.

Have a sneaky feeling Seanie may end up midfield until Diarmuid recovers.

We are very light in cover, I would however like to try something left field, as in one big and one baller, like say a Breen in at midfield, if Adrian was on the wing the long ball option could still be availed of, but invariably these days the ball goes short

I know we are short but I just don't see Seanie in midfield.

He was in there against Kildare and albeit against a very big midfield I just don't think its best.

[royalkerryfan]

Feb 7, 2023 20:55:17 GMT southward said:

Feb 7, 2023 20:13:01 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Fair points Horse,

I did only say he did ok 🤣🤣🤣🤣

But I can certainly see what you are saying.

Is it unfair to suggest that Stefan is far more of an athlete than he is a footballer?

I don't think he's a midfielder anyway.

I always thought he was a FB or a CB.

I felt he was better coming onto the ball with power and driving up the field.

I think a certain picture against Limerick may have set expectations.

But it's early days and he needs more time.

[peanuts]

I thought Stefan did very well on Sunday. I’d like to see him get more game time in a tougher game to see whether he is an option in midfield. That’s where I think he had the potential to help us the most.

[horsebox77]

Feb 7, 2023 21:04:32 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Feb 7, 2023 20:49:54 GMT horsebox77 said:

Ah I'm not saying in right, just was an obvious observation.

Being honest, Barry Dan has only been ok too and I'd be a fan of the Dingle man.

Have a sneaky feeling Seanie may end up midfield until Diarmuid recovers.

We are very light in cover, I would however like to try something left field, as in one big and one baller, like say a Breen in at midfield, if Adrian was on the wing the long ball option could still be availed of, but invariably these days the ball goes short

I know we are short but I just don't see Seanie in midfield.

He was in there against Kildare and albeit against a very big midfield I just don't think its best.

Oh I agree, he's on the forty for me every game, I just think needs must and Mayo have a mobile enough pairing at present.

[royalkerryfan]

Feb 7, 2023 21:53:50 GMT horsebox77 said:

Feb 7, 2023 21:04:32 GMT royalkerryfan said:

I know we are short but I just don't see Seanie in midfield.

He was in there against Kildare and albeit against a very big midfield I just don't think its best.

Oh I agree, he's on the forty for me every game, I just think needs must and Mayo have a mobile enough pairing at present.

I think I'd play him deeper and let Paidi cover around centre forward.

Flood that midfield area.

[Whosinmidfield]

Feb 7, 2023 22:19:09 GMT ciarraimick said:

On Stefan. It was me a while back that mentioned about Stefan bei g more of an athlete than a footballer but I was quoting a man from Tralee. He was just giving his opinion saying he felt the problem with Stefan is he nor anyone else seems to know his best position. I don't think pace is a problem (although I'm not sure). Tbh I have nt seen enough of him to comment but the only way we ll know is to give him plenty of game time. Where is Liam Kearney gone?. Jack might not want to change things up v Mayo but maybe he should as we have played probably the two weakest teams in div 1 so far.

In all honesty I’d be much happier if it was Liam Kearney and Mark Ryan we were trying out in the league rather than Barry Dan and Okunbor but look Jack usually doesn’t go too far wrong.

[Whosinmidfield]

Feb 7, 2023 20:07:30 GMT horsebox77 said:

Feb 7, 2023 10:49:33 GMT royalkerryfan said:

We don't have 2 dominant midfielders to enable us to play an orthodox midfield.

We have enough scoring forwards to give us that extra worker in Adrain at 12.

Paidi normally plays out there anyway and leaves the two boys inside.

Midfield is the big worry for me, I thought Stefan did ok when he came on.
I noticed he always opted for handpassing and I only kicked the ball once.
I think he also had an opportunity to take a score and didint take on the shot.

We need Diarmuid OConnor fit for the big games.

I disagree regarding Stefan, I though his positioning was very poor, he invariably turned in and passed back, this resulted in him being in the way or blocking the receiver… this forced a double back pass and momentum lost, this happened four or five times. He more or less got in his own way.

Stefan may have a role as a physical breaker or to win primary ‘marks’’ late on just to retain possession, I just don’t think he has the pace for intercounty

Think the panel and starting team will be considerably bolstered by Shane Ryqn, Paudie, Seanie and I actually expect DC to be on the bench, I wish he wasn’t but suspect he will.

Think Seanie will start as we are missing way too many frees and 45’s, Paudie will also start as will Shawnee Ryan in my my opinion.

The only problem with starting Seanie and Paudie is deciding who won’t start. Usually I’d say Burns but I actually thought he’d one of his best games for Kerry against Monaghan. Roche and Donal Down certainly can’t be dropped and it wouldn’t be great for Tony Brosnan’s confidence either.

[horsebox77]

Feb 7, 2023 22:31:42 GMT Whosinmidfield said:

Feb 7, 2023 22:19:09 GMT ciarraimick said:

On Stefan. It was me a while back that mentioned about Stefan bei g more of an athlete than a footballer but I was quoting a man from Tralee. He was just giving his opinion saying he felt the problem with Stefan is he nor anyone else seems to know his best position. I don't think pace is a problem (although I'm not sure). Tbh I have nt seen enough of him to comment but the only way we ll know is to give him plenty of game time. Where is Liam Kearney gone?. Jack might not want to change things up v Mayo but maybe he should as we have played probably the two weakest teams in div 1 so far.

In all honesty I’d be much happier if it was Liam Kearney and Mark Ryan we were trying out in the league rather than Barry Dan and Okunbor but look Jack usually doesn’t go too far wrong.

Totally agree with you on the Kearney or Ryan opinion.