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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 7, 2023 23:11:44 GMT
In all honesty I’d be much happier if it was Liam Kearney and Mark Ryan we were trying out in the league rather than Barry Dan and Okunbor but look Jack usually doesn’t go too far wrong. Totally agree with you on the Kearney or Ryan opinion. Just playing devil's advocate lads but didint Kearney not leave the panel on his own accord ?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 8, 2023 1:59:45 GMT
I disagree regarding Stefan, I though his positioning was very poor, he invariably turned in and passed back, this resulted in him being in the way or blocking the receiver… this forced a double back pass and momentum lost, this happened four or five times. He more or less got in his own way. Stefan may have a role as a physical breaker or to win primary ‘marks’’ late on just to retain possession, I just don’t think he has the pace for intercounty Think the panel and starting team will be considerably bolstered by Shane Ryqn, Paudie, Seanie and I actually expect DC to be on the bench, I wish he wasn’t but suspect he will. Think Seanie will start as we are missing way too many frees and 45’s, Paudie will also start as will Shawnee Ryan in my my opinion. The only problem with starting Seanie and Paudie is deciding who won’t start. Usually I’d say Burns but I actually thought he’d one of his best games for Kerry against Monaghan. Roche and Donal Down certainly can’t be dropped and it wouldn’t be great for Tony Brosnan’s confidence either. I think Okunbar has a future but dosent seems to be playing with enough confidence I think he got on a lot of ball when he Came on . Always showed for a pass and always distributed it well all while only in second gear You know Mayo going to bring Aidan o Shea to midfield in next game as it worked so well against Armagh I’d put Steven on him and I think he’d curb his influence and still contribute to our cause He’s an athlete sure but what is Fintan ? You have to be an athlete to play midfield We be been crying out for a midfield man for a while now Let’s give some of these prospects a good shot at it
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 8, 2023 9:34:59 GMT
Totally agree with you on the Kearney or Ryan opinion. Just playing devil's advocate lads but didint Kearney not leave the panel on his own accord ? Yes, as he was seeing no game time with county or club.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 8, 2023 12:04:02 GMT
Just playing devil's advocate lads but didint Kearney not leave the panel on his own accord ? Yes, as he was seeing no game time with county or club. You'd know more on the club scene than me horse but i would have thought if Jack fancied him he'd be in with them. I can't see Jack overlooking anyone particularly midfielders.
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Post by kerryboyo on Feb 8, 2023 13:55:55 GMT
Liam kearney left the panel with PK not JOC Kearney had a very good season for spa last year he is rumoured to have not have received a call , not accepted a call , and also rumoured to have turned it down to go travelling it’s hard to believe one
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 8, 2023 14:03:44 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with kerryboyo and more so royalkerryfan in that the current panel of mid fielders is what will be the cohort of players to choose from.
For what it's worth, I would rate the Spa man ahead of Stefan and Barry Dan.
As someone alluded to earlier, we're judging one player on a sportsfile picture in Limerick
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Post by thehermit on Feb 8, 2023 15:13:15 GMT
Well I thought Barry Dan O'Sullivan did well in the first half in Donegal. He might have faded in the second period but who didn't that day?
From what I saw on Sunday we were comfortable enough around the middle too in the game. I don't know if you can say he's not an answer for midfield based on what he has produced so far.
I'd make the same argument for Stefan, surely you have to give a player at least something more than a couple of 10/20min cameos in the first two League games to make a value judgement.
When players like Brosnan or Burns has been given upteen starts you can't not allow others to be given some proper game time to settle and grow into a position.
If we were content to dismiss players on such frugal amounts of game time we'd have no left to pull on a geansai!
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 8, 2023 16:49:57 GMT
The Foley-Morley axis is well proven at this stage. Maybe it's time to give one or both a rest and try out another combination in the event that Foley and/or Morley are forced absent later in the year.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 8, 2023 16:52:07 GMT
I would hoped we were comfortable in the middle last week, they had no recognisable MF playing, we step up a level next game, so I be giving the same MF paring the starting berths, let’s see how they perform.
Paudie will start for sure with SOS coming on , expect the rest to be much the same.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 8, 2023 18:28:49 GMT
The Foley-Morley axis is well proven at this stage. Maybe it's time to give one or both a rest and try out another combination in the event that Foley and/or Morley are forced absent later in the year. Would agree with that alright, now is the time of year to test out a few of the second men up in various sectors of the pitch.
Thoughts on who would/could be potential FB/CB replacements?
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Feb 8, 2023 19:00:20 GMT
Moran for fullback surely?
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 8, 2023 19:51:25 GMT
Moran for fullback surely? Ah Maher for centre back... Ah come back K'boy, all is forgiven.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Feb 8, 2023 21:38:20 GMT
Moran for fullback surely? Ah Maher for centre back... Ah come back K'boy, all is forgiven. My bad, I mixed up my Ms (and central defensive positions). I glad you were able to piece it together though. Maher for center back! He'd definitely be able to do a holding job there.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 8, 2023 21:46:52 GMT
One lad I had held out some hope for was Ronan Buckley in midfield.
Any word on his injury ?
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Post by mossie on Feb 8, 2023 22:42:09 GMT
The Foley-Morley axis is well proven at this stage. Maybe it's time to give one or both a rest and try out another combination in the event that Foley and/or Morley are forced absent later in the year. I couldnt agree more on that
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Post by mossie on Feb 8, 2023 22:45:25 GMT
Well I thought Barry Dan O'Sullivan did well in the first half in Donegal. He might have faded in the second period but who didn't that day? From what I saw on Sunday we were comfortable enough around the middle too in the game. I don't know if you can say he's not an answer for midfield based on what he has produced so far. I'd make the same argument for Stefan, surely you have to give a player at least something more than a couple of 10/20min cameos in the first two League games to make a value judgement. When players like Brosnan or Burns has been given upteen starts you can't not allow others to be given some proper game time to settle and grow into a position. If we were content to dismiss players on such frugal amounts of game time we'd have no left to pull on a geansai! I thought Barry had a good first half v Monaghan, he faded after half time but wasnt really on long in the 2nd half He may have played his way back into the match if he got a few extra minutes, to be honest I would have brought Stefan on for Jack Barry, we know what Jack brings at this stage. Could have left Stefan and Barry get on with it at midfield
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 8, 2023 23:01:37 GMT
The Foley-Morley axis is well proven at this stage. Maybe it's time to give one or both a rest and try out another combination in the event that Foley and/or Morley are forced absent later in the year. Would agree with that alright, now is the time of year to test out a few of the second men up in various sectors of the pitch.
Thoughts on who would/could be potential FB/CB replacements?
I don't see this as a big worry if I'm honest, It wouldn't be ideal ofcourse but if Foley missed out I think Morely would go FB and Breen/murphy/White would end up at 6. White or Breen being my choice.
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Post by homerj on Feb 8, 2023 23:36:06 GMT
any word on what injury Mike Breen has/had that ruled him out of sunday?
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 9, 2023 10:08:37 GMT
Would agree with that alright, now is the time of year to test out a few of the second men up in various sectors of the pitch. Thoughts on who would/could be potential FB/CB replacements?
I don't see this as a big worry if I'm honest, It wouldn't be ideal ofcourse but if Foley missed out I think Morely would go FB and Breen/murphy/White would end up at 6. White or Breen being my choice. The amount of work put into the Foley-Morley axis was phenomenal with Tally's fingerprints all over it. They work in harmony to stop goals, their positioning and compactness took dozens of hours and lots of games to perfect. In 2022 they played all 3 McGrath Cup games, all 8 League games and all 5 championship games in exactly the same position and tactics in order to perfect the system. It's like they're on a string, with their movement so automatic now with all that practice. It reached it's apex in the All-Ireland final when they didn't give Comer a sniff of a chance. I don't see 1 or 2 players slotting into their positions seamlessly. Best to at least give others some practice there now.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 9, 2023 10:30:32 GMT
I don't see this as a big worry if I'm honest, It wouldn't be ideal ofcourse but if Foley missed out I think Morely would go FB and Breen/murphy/White would end up at 6. White or Breen being my choice. The amount of work put into the Foley-Morley axis was phenomenal with Tally's fingerprints all over it. They work in harmony to stop goals, their positioning and compactness took dozens of hours and lots of games to perfect. In 2022 they played all 3 McGrath Cup games, all 8 League games and all 5 championship games in exactly the same position and tactics in order to perfect the system. It's like they're on a string, with their movement so automatic now with all that practice. It reached it's apex in the All-Ireland final when they didn't give Comer a sniff of a chance. I don't see 1 or 2 players slotting into their positions seamlessly. Best to at least give others some practice there now. That work wasn't just with the two lads. It was a collective effort with all the team to understand how to defend better. I can't think of any county that have a ready made FB if they lose their first choice. I think they'll just have to adapt. Midfield is the number 1 problem to solve or address in my view anyway D1 isint the place for experimentation unless you have the points on the board.
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 9, 2023 11:14:25 GMT
The amount of work put into the Foley-Morley axis was phenomenal with Tally's fingerprints all over it. They work in harmony to stop goals, their positioning and compactness took dozens of hours and lots of games to perfect. In 2022 they played all 3 McGrath Cup games, all 8 League games and all 5 championship games in exactly the same position and tactics in order to perfect the system. It's like they're on a string, with their movement so automatic now with all that practice. It reached it's apex in the All-Ireland final when they didn't give Comer a sniff of a chance. I don't see 1 or 2 players slotting into their positions seamlessly. Best to at least give others some practice there now. That work wasn't just with the two lads. It was a collective effort with all the team to understand how to defend better. I can't think of any county that have a ready made FB if they lose their first choice. I think they'll just have to adapt. Midfield is the number 1 problem to solve or address in my view anyway D1 isint the place for experimentation unless you have the points on the board. The other players played a big part but they slipped in and out of the team throughout the year, especially the league, Foley-Morley was a constant and was the bedrock for goals prevention. It would be foolish not to have a plan B, with it practiced in training and match situations ahead of championship.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 9, 2023 12:32:05 GMT
My plan B would be Dylan Casey at 3 and Dan O’Donoghue at 6. I think they’d bring the most similar traits to Foley and Morley.
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Post by kerryboyo on Feb 9, 2023 16:35:47 GMT
My plan B would be Dylan Casey at 3 and Dan O’Donoghue at 6. I think they’d bring the most similar traits to Foley and Morley. agree , think Morley isn’t a 3 imo and white and Breen are wing backs but centre backs at club level
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Post by kerryboyo on Feb 9, 2023 16:36:03 GMT
Has Gavin Crowley left the panel ?
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Post by southward on Feb 9, 2023 18:15:52 GMT
Has Gavin Crowley left the panel ? Expected back the next day afaik.
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Post by tpo on Feb 9, 2023 18:37:39 GMT
Has Gavin Crowley left the panel ? He was no 24 on program last weekend
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Post by kerryboyo on Feb 9, 2023 19:06:22 GMT
Has Gavin Crowley left the panel ? He was no 24 on program last weekend my bad
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 9, 2023 20:29:32 GMT
agree , think Morley isn’t a 3 imo and white and Breen are wing backs but centre backs at club level Morley did a grand job number 3 before but he s better suited at CB. Casey and ODonoghue are rookies and you couldn't expect them to go in there in my view. Morely is 100% a FB if Foley is out and the question of who 6 is. It's not just how good they are but how they read the game. Ideally you need a physical lad and I can't see anyone other than White or Breen. Not directed at you Mick but a previous post.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 9, 2023 21:34:48 GMT
Can I ask are many traveling to Mayo for the game ?
I wasn't originally supposed to but change of plans means I could only get accommodation in Westport.
Any other Kerry fans staying in Westport ?
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 9, 2023 21:37:05 GMT
I agree, Foley and Tadgh are nailed three and six, I think in the event of Foley missing, Jack won’t promote a rookie in Casey or O’Donoghue, it’s fairly possible Graham. Oils slot in at three, but I think for solidity and consistency, Morley would revert to three with Breen sitting into the hole at six.
Truth be told though, I don’t think any other county would have such a smooth transition if one of their key players was missing,
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