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Post by southward on May 6, 2023 17:29:52 GMT
Ok, here's the sour grapes bit...
Really, really poor form by the Sligo support today, I thought. Jeering and booing young fellas throughout. Horrible soccer mob.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 6, 2023 17:33:41 GMT
Ok, here's the sour grapes bit... Really, really poor form by the Sligo support today, I thought. Jeering and booing young fellas throughout. Horrible soccer mob. Only listened on the radio as on the road from work, the cheering etc st any Kerry wide was very audible.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 6, 2023 17:40:37 GMT
Big picture - the overall standard this year was truly awful, and this evening only backed up what we saw against Clare, as Cork in the Munster final were putrid. No one stood out to me as a real future diamond here and especially at midfield I see nothing coming through. One could make a case for a couple of the defenders to develop perhaps way down the line but we're not exaclty caught for defenders or forwards at the moment for senior level. It would be nice to see some classy midfielders coming up but I just don't see them currently at this level.
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Post by rossranger on May 6, 2023 17:41:25 GMT
Hard earned and well deserved Sligo win. This Sligo outfit won Connacht by beating Mayo,Galway and Roscommon away no "limited" team would do that. This group of Sligo players have the winning habit instilled into them since U15 and back then spent a good bit of their summer taking on Kerry development panels and got some training session I believe with Jack O'Connor.
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Post by pillar on May 6, 2023 18:07:11 GMT
Every underage side I've seen Kerry produced in the last five years have been a collection of individuals. The lack of team work is obvious!!
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Post by peanuts on May 6, 2023 19:16:36 GMT
Kerry got what they deserved. They tried to beat Sligo at their own game and were beaten. We played into Sligos hands. Referee was very quick to give Sligo decisions compared to Kerry. He made 2 big calls that changed the game. The harsh overcarrying for Burkes disallowed goal and the red card to our number 2. think the red card can’t be argued with clear contact to the head. Overall the game was there to be won and Kerry could not execute. Some very poor shot selection throughout the second half by Kerry. Don’t think management can take much slack for the defeat, I was surprised to see certain players play the full game with their continuous poor shot selection. Sligo must have had a very high percentage on there own Kickout don’t recall them losing too many which is always a great platform for any team. Was it shoulder to head or head on head. Was at the game so haven’t seen any replays. Assumed it was head to head as they both went down. That wouldn’t necessarily be a red card. That incident didn’t really have much of an impact as it was so late in the game but ref was very poor for us.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 6, 2023 19:26:17 GMT
think the red card can’t be argued with clear contact to the head. Overall the game was there to be won and Kerry could not execute. Some very poor shot selection throughout the second half by Kerry. Don’t think management can take much slack for the defeat, I was surprised to see certain players play the full game with their continuous poor shot selection. Sligo must have had a very high percentage on there own Kickout don’t recall them losing too many which is always a great platform for any team. Was it shoulder to head or head on head. Was at the game so haven’t seen any replays. Assumed it was head to head as they both went down. That wouldn’t necessarily be a red card. That incident didn’t really have much of an impact as it was so late in the game but ref was very poor for us. Personally I didn't think it was a red at all. Solid shoulder but those hits are so risky now. Ref was shocking.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 6, 2023 19:35:24 GMT
Just watched the other semi-final between Kildare and Down. It turned into an epic breathless encounter and what a comeback by Kildare who roared into the contest when it looked ominious. They showed tremendous guts throughout and composure and patience to score the Hollywood winner with a second left in dead time. This was real championship stuff and different gravy to the dross standard I've seen Kerry involved in. Down were crafty but Kildare showed massive heart and I think they'll have way too much for Sligo.
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Post by greengold35 on May 6, 2023 19:36:28 GMT
You'd have thought the Clare game would have frightened them enough to prepare properly. Very disappointing stuff but a deserved result. I think we can comfortably say that Fergal or Marc will have a higher bar to reach looking for any management job with Kerry. I would have no doubt that given the personnel involved that “ we would have prepared properly” - Sligo had advertised their brand of football & we knew what was coming. The problem is that in the heat of a game that players, no matter how well coached/prepared, revert to type - very few clubs, if any in Kerry play as negatively as Sligo - its a terrible watch but worked for them today.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on May 6, 2023 20:04:53 GMT
We won’t win an u20 for a long time anyway because on paper this team was head and shoulders above the teams to come.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on May 6, 2023 20:08:43 GMT
Big picture - the overall standard this year was truly awful, and this evening only backed up what we saw against Clare, as Cork in the Munster final were putrid. No one stood out to me as a real future diamond here and especially at midfield I see nothing coming through. One could make a case for a couple of the defenders to develop perhaps way down the line but we're not exaclty caught for defenders or forwards at the moment for senior level. It would be nice to see some classy midfielders coming up but I just don't see them currently at this level. I think that’s a bit negative. I see Burke and Monahan as real prospects in the next 1-2 years. Ok both are wing forwards not midfielders. Shine and Evans may have a chance in the years to come if they develop. I don’t see any of the backs getting to the level required. They’re the 4 names I think you’d be monitoring in a potential Senior sense.
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Post by exiled on May 6, 2023 20:49:46 GMT
I was at the game and despite the comments here about not blaming the management I feel they have to take their share of blame. Playing with the wind in first half they never left fast ball into ff line despite there being plenty of space between the play and the players inside. Then in 2nd half against the wind with the lines condensed a few long balls went in. But all said we had plenty of chances to beat Sligo...and the ref. Even the Sligo supporters around us...not the booing gang...could not believe how the ref favoured them. They won't be easily beaten in the final.
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 7, 2023 2:39:00 GMT
Full credit to Sligo But Kerry were un Kerry like in that they could not kick points Sure they faced a massed defence but Had no plan for that as nd evdd Ed n still despite that had the shots to win but has not put in the work in this area I feel like it’s ok to expect better than that Sure we’ll be back but we learned. A lot today
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Post by horsebox77 on May 7, 2023 8:08:35 GMT
Looking at the future, and the possibility of U20 players making the step up, for me McGrath Cup in 2024 or 2025, I;d like to see Moynihan, O'Leary, Monahan, Crowley and Shine. Any additional members warrant a look in?
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Post by taibhse on May 7, 2023 8:35:30 GMT
Full credit to Sligo But Kerry were un Kerry like in that they could not kick points Sure they faced a massed defence but Had no plan for that as nd evdd Ed n still despite that had the shots to win but has not put in the work in this area I feel like it’s ok to expect better than that Sure we’ll be back but we learned. A lot today But this simply skates over what the problems are. What seems to be missing from the conversation is an honest account of failure. It’s as if the thinking about learning from mistakes is all there is to it. You just don’t learn from years of failure – you change. We’ve been over this course before, something we’ve assumed turned out to be wrong. We’re just not getting it right at this age group level and haven’t for a long time.
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Post by buck02 on May 7, 2023 9:12:29 GMT
Full credit to Sligo But Kerry were un Kerry like in that they could not kick points Sure they faced a massed defence but Had no plan for that as nd evdd Ed n still despite that had the shots to win but has not put in the work in this area I feel like it’s ok to expect better than that Sure we’ll be back but we learned. A lot today But this simply skates over what the problems are. What seems to be missing from the conversation is an honest account of failure. It’s as if the thinking about learning from mistakes is all there is to it. You just don’t learn from years of failure – you change. We’ve been over this course before, something we’ve assumed turned out to be wrong. We’re just not getting it right at this age group level and haven’t for a long time. If Kerry aped most of the rest of the teams at this level and played 13 behind the ball, had one scoring forward, one free taker and 12 lads with engines to get them up and down the pitch for 60 minutes would the Kerry public be happy? And is that the type of player we want to be sending onto the senior team? Perhaps with the way the game is going it is, I don't know. But the two games yesterday would turn people off.
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Post by homerj on May 7, 2023 17:15:26 GMT
Too much negative football because of the Clare game. We went out with the handbrake on and generally when a kerry team plays with fear, it doesn't end well
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Post by crokes86 on May 7, 2023 20:04:37 GMT
Our dreadful record continues at this level. As future seniors if you can get 4 you’ll be doing well No backs really stands out maybe Heinrich Burke Evans and Shine will probably get chances in the league down the road We just need to get better at this level .
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Post by glengael on May 8, 2023 12:04:45 GMT
Full credit to Sligo But Kerry were un Kerry like in that they could not kick points Sure they faced a massed defence but Had no plan for that as nd evdd Ed n still despite that had the shots to win but has not put in the work in this area I feel like it’s ok to expect better than that Sure we’ll be back but we learned. A lot today But this simply skates over what the problems are. What seems to be missing from the conversation is an honest account of failure. It’s as if the thinking about learning from mistakes is all there is to it. You just don’t learn from years of failure – you change. We’ve been over this course before, something we’ve assumed turned out to be wrong. We’re just not getting it right at this age group level and haven’t for a long time. Yes, agreed Taibhse. It isn't today or yesterday that learning from defeats has been mentioned and yet here we are again. Regardless of whether it is u-21 or 20, whether it's played in winter or early summer, regardless of manager, we seem to be winning Munster at best and then stalling after that. And this is over 15 seasons now, despite success in all other grades.
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Post by Jo90 on May 8, 2023 18:22:42 GMT
I thought Kerry dominated most of the game and created a lot of scoreable chances that were missed, particularly in the 3rd quarter. On another day they go over and Kerry would have been 4 or 5 points up going into the final 1/4. Not sure how long Tomás's tenure is but if it's 3 years then it's unfortunate his best batch are probably this year. I think if he had this batch in his 2nd or 3rd year he'd have the experience gained to win an All-Ireland with them. 2 potential u20 All-Irelands left behind us in 2022 and 2023.
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 9, 2023 3:08:56 GMT
But this simply skates over what the problems are. What seems to be missing from the conversation is an honest account of failure. It’s as if the thinking about learning from mistakes is all there is to it. You just don’t learn from years of failure – you change. We’ve been over this course before, something we’ve assumed turned out to be wrong. We’re just not getting it right at this age group level and haven’t for a long time. Yes, agreed Taibhse. It isn't today or yesterday that learning from defeats has been mentioned and yet here we are again. Regardless of whether it is u-21 or 20, whether it's played in winter or early summer, regardless of manager, we seem to be winning Munster at best and then stalling after that. And this is over 15 seasons now, despite success in all other grades. Learning from our mistakes yes that’s about as kind as one can be we try to not to crucify people here But yes brutal show only saw one scoring forward and he had an off day can we do better ? Absolutely
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Post by Kingdomson on May 13, 2023 14:03:46 GMT
In all the Kerry games at this level this year one thing that stuck me was how poor the actual standard looked. No surprise here that Kerry badly wilted in the second half against a limited but game enough Sligo team. I expect the winner of this competition ultimately to come from the other semi and probably win the final in a cantar. Kildare won handy enough. Kildare 1-17 Sligo 0-12 I said Sligo were a limited team and so it proved. As I fully expected Kildare worthy winners and far better side.
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Post by shannonsider on May 13, 2023 15:14:40 GMT
Looking at that there today it didn't say much for Kerry's performance in Sligo game. We put zero pressure on Sligo's kickout and struggled with their running game when they did win kickouts or turnovers, in stark contrast to Kildare. Kildare lads also kicked some great scores and weren't afraid to shoot, but took the shots on at the right time and executed them well. The wild and inaccurate shooting was a disappointing aspect of the Semi final from our lads.
I might have said it before on this thread or elsewhere but who was coaching the team? It's all fine having big "names" who were good players on a management ticket, but there's no hiding place at this level and it takes smart, experienced coaches and managers to prepare teams and get results. Not convinced with this group despite the win over Cork.
It's not just this year, we've had a long spell of poor performances and defeats in big u21/u20 games. When you consider the talent and success coming through from minor it really is a poor return in the last few years.
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Post by kerrysouth on May 13, 2023 15:38:21 GMT
Well done to Kildare they won a high quality game but this is no overnight success they were beaten in the final last year by Tyrone and were backboned by the Naas cbs team that won the hogan cup.Playing. in those big games and ocasions gave the team the experience to not panic and get over the line today.
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Post by clarinman on May 13, 2023 21:40:49 GMT
In all the Kerry games at this level this year one thing that stuck me was how poor the actual standard looked. No surprise here that Kerry badly wilted in the second half against a limited but game enough Sligo team. I expect the winner of this competition ultimately to come from the other semi and probably win the final in a cantar. Kildare won handy enough. Kildare 1-17 Sligo 0-12 I said Sligo were a limited team and so it proved. As I fully expected Kildare worthy winners and far better side. I agree Kildare were the better team. But in fairness to Sligo it was a 2 point game after 55 minutes. Then their goalie had a meltdown and conceded 1-1 on consecutive kickouts and it was game over.
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