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Post by The16thMan on Jan 8, 2023 19:14:46 GMT
Kerrys 1st league outing this year is in Ballybofey vs Donegal. Tough place to win with a full team, never mind the bodies we will be down with injuries and fellas resting after the club season. Could be 1 or 2 retirements also but time will tell I guess.
I'm aware we will be missing the following:
David Clifford Paudie Clifford Jack Savage Shane Ryan Paul Murphy Gavin White Joe O'Connor Diarmuid O'Connor Gavin Crowley Stephen O'Brien David Moran (if he doesn't retire)
My team to start would be something similar to: 1) Shane Murphy 2) Graham O Sullivan/Dan O'Donoghue 3) Jason Foley 4) Tom O Sullivan 5) Mike Breen 6) Tadgh Morley 7) Brian O'Beaglaíoch 8) Ronan Buckley/Adrian Spillane 9) Jack Barry 10) Dara Moynihan 11) Sean O'Shea 12) Micheál Burns 13) Tony Brosnan 14) Paul Geaney/Killane Spillane 15) Daragh Roche
Should be enough quality in that team to give Donegal a real rattle on their home patch. A good start is crucial to the league as we don't want to find ourselves under pressure for points to survive before the remaining squad return.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 8, 2023 19:23:52 GMT
It will be a tough game. I reckon Jack will sacrifice one of the full forward line to have a bit more physicality and legs in the middle third
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Post by mike70 on Jan 8, 2023 19:27:49 GMT
I just don't see where the above team will kick 15 points to win the game, this year might be a slow start for kerry.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 8, 2023 19:39:04 GMT
There’s no reason as to why Jack Savage won’t be available. David Moran might be a different story as apparently he battled through some niggles to play today. David and Paudie have so much football played that surely they’ll be given at least the first league game off but Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan (if he’s not going for an operation) might be involved. I’d also expect Gavin Crowley to be available. Graham O’Sullivan and Brian O’Beaglaoich took part in the warm up today so they’re on the road back from injury. Does anyone know the time frame on Sean O’Shea’s, Paul Geaney’s and Stephen O’Brien’s injuries?
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 8, 2023 19:50:34 GMT
I just don't see where the above team will kick 15 points to win the game, this year might be a slow start for kerry. We may not need 15 points though!
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 8, 2023 19:52:58 GMT
There’s no reason as to why Jack Savage won’t be available. David Moran might be a different story as apparently he battled through some niggles to play today. David and Paudie have so much football played that surely they’ll be given at least the first league game off but Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan (if he’s not going for an operation) might be involved. I’d also expect Gavin Crowley to be available. Graham O’Sullivan and Brian O’Beaglaoich took part in the warm up today so they’re on the road back from injury. Does anyone know the time frame on Sean O’Shea’s, Paul Geaney’s and Stephen O’Brien’s injuries? Jack indicated that David and Paudie will miss a good chunk of the league. I would think the same applies to Paul Murphy who has played a lot of club football in recent months and at a higher level.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 8, 2023 20:55:41 GMT
There’s no reason as to why Jack Savage won’t be available. David Moran might be a different story as apparently he battled through some niggles to play today. David and Paudie have so much football played that surely they’ll be given at least the first league game off but Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan (if he’s not going for an operation) might be involved. I’d also expect Gavin Crowley to be available. Graham O’Sullivan and Brian O’Beaglaoich took part in the warm up today so they’re on the road back from injury. Does anyone know the time frame on Sean O’Shea’s, Paul Geaney’s and Stephen O’Brien’s injuries? Jack indicated that David and Paudie will miss a good chunk of the league. I would think the same applies to Paul Murphy who has played a lot of club football in recent months and at a higher level. No doubt about it. The Clifford s will need a good break two or three league games Are there any new prospect s coming out of past seasons club and county championships ?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 8, 2023 21:28:32 GMT
The Clifford's should be give a month off.
Player welfare should be paramount and frankly we have to have a game plan for when DC is not playing.
The concern for me is the MF and after today that's only got weaker.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 8, 2023 21:30:22 GMT
I just don't see where the above team will kick 15 points to win the game, this year might be a slow start for kerry. We may not need 15 points though! I just think donegal under new management will have a bounce, 15 points is about the winning number in the league, bevit 14 or 16, I just think the kerry forward line will struggle, also Seanie is out of action at the moment, so he has work too do.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 8, 2023 21:37:37 GMT
We may not need 15 points though! I just think donegal under new management will have a bounce, 15 points is about the winning number in the league, bevit 14 or 16, I just think the kerry forward line will struggle, also Seanie is out of action at the moment, so he has work too do. I'd agree re new management normally especially with Mayo but Donegal might be different. They only appointed their new manager fairly late and you'd wonder if he was the first choice. We were fortunate to get a draw in Newbridge last year and you'd certainly take that now.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 8, 2023 22:59:51 GMT
I just think donegal under new management will have a bounce, 15 points is about the winning number in the league, bevit 14 or 16, I just think the kerry forward line will struggle, also Seanie is out of action at the moment, so he has work too do. I'd agree re new management normally especially with Mayo but Donegal might be different. They only appointed their new manager fairly late and you'd wonder if he was the first choice. We were fortunate to get a draw in Newbridge last year and you'd certainly take that now. There’s a real lack of enthusiasm around the appointment. They lost by 7 points to Down today so it’s not like they’re flying in their pre season competition.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 8, 2023 22:59:51 GMT
This pairing is a Godsend for both sides as we have adopted similar styles coming from similar traditions - Donegal AM (After Murphy) will be interesting and they have a decent and consistent pipeline, just need to get it to fire like ourselves.
Deep down they admire us, maybe detest us less than their neighbours - all standard enough auld stuff, it will be great for us North West exiles to welcome the Champs and it is always an occasion up here.
All sorts of stories flying and which leads me to wan conclusion - they mean business and Ballybofey is where they like transacting most.
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Post by sambo on Jan 8, 2023 23:07:11 GMT
Any idea when tickets for league games go on general sale?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 9, 2023 9:35:29 GMT
Jacks main aim this year will be to avoid relegation. Looking at the fixtures I think we will do a heavy block of training and train through to the donegal game. Ease up for the following weeks home match against Monaghan and then train thru the 2 week block between round 2 and 3 and ease up again for the home game against Armagh.
Depending how we are fixed then we could train through the tyrone game and ease up for the home game with the rossies.
Following that plan I think we get at least 7 weeks hard training which would be plenty when modern players all follow their own gym plans and have been playing club football of some sort until October / November.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 9, 2023 9:40:19 GMT
Jacks main aim this year will be to avoid relegation. Looking at the fixtures I think we will do a heavy block of training and train through to the donegal game. Ease up for the following weeks home match against Monaghan and then train thru the 2 week block between round 2 and 3 and ease up again for the home game against Armagh. Depending how we are fixed then we could train through the tyrone game and ease up for the home game with the rossies. Following that plan I think we get at least 7 weeks hard training which would be plenty when modern players all follow their own gym plans and have been playing club football of some sort until October / November. While I'm not massively positive about the league you could conceivable see Kerry in a final. You'd expect 3 home wins against Monaghan, Roscommon and Armagh. If the pick up 1 away win that would be 8 points. I think teams will all drop points this year.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 9, 2023 12:15:57 GMT
After three League titles in three years I'll happily settle for mid table mediocrity so long as the performances are decent and a few new faces are thrown in around the experienced guys and blooded for the future.
The worst thing would be to get drawn into the relegation battles that were a feature of Fitzmaurice's time in charge but judging by the lack of scoring power on show the past few days you'd wonder if we won't struggle for majors and minors in the early rounds.
Even if we lose in Donegal you would say on paper and with home advantage we should be looking to get off the mark against Monaghan. However I remember Monaghan beating us in Tralee on a miserably wet Sunday in Feb only a few years ago and unless some of the forwards step into fill Seanie and the Cliffords shoes fast we might be battling for survival from early doors.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 9, 2023 12:35:17 GMT
I just think donegal under new management will have a bounce, 15 points is about the winning number in the league, bevit 14 or 16, I just think the kerry forward line will struggle, also Seanie is out of action at the moment, so he has work too do. I'd agree re new management normally especially with Mayo but Donegal might be different. They only appointed their new manager fairly late and you'd wonder if he was the first choice. We were fortunate to get a draw in Newbridge last year and you'd certainly take that now. Not looking good so for Donegal if your info is correct and without there general Murphy, trying tines ahead, bring on the league I say.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 9, 2023 15:07:20 GMT
If we avoid relegation I will be happy a d anything after that is a bonus. Even if Moran is staying in and I hope he does he needs a break and I d like to see him get some time off. Kerry have enough of talent to compete even without alot of the stars but hunger might be a problem after the highs of 22 Agree re-Moran. Give him time and space to make his own decision. Kerry know what he can do if available come the championship so unless we are up the creek without a paddle come the latter games of the league Kerry need to experiment with midfielders in particular in the earlier rounds. Our biggest need at present is to find the next star man for our midfield to follow in the footsteps of Moran, Dara, Jacko et al. By this I mean the consistent midfielder who we can depend on - too many of the current candidates blow hot and cold,
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 9, 2023 16:57:15 GMT
Roscommon, Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal all have changes both from a backroom and player personnel point of view, teams with new management teams, I would envisage there should be a new manager bounce, In donegals case the delay on this regard appointing and the void left by Michael Murphy May balance this out for the first game,
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starting team or match day panel, Jack hasn’t alluded to the availability of Seanie, Briòn, Graham or Stephen O’Brien. Last year at this stage we were without our first four first choice midfielders, as a result for the McGrath Cuo and early league Seanie and Adrain lined out for the first game vs Kildare, I wonder in the absence of so many would Jack be tempted to reshuffle as a last resort and reinstate the Kenmare man if available to the pivotal number eight shirt as an interim measure.
I envisage Jack Savage ma6 make himself available, he was eager last year and played despite being Sigerson tied.
Anyway, if all available, I would go with the following,
Murphy, Tom Sullivan, Foley, Graham Sullivan, Breen, Tadgh, Briòn, Spillane, Barry, Jack Savage, Seanie, Ronan Buckley, Killian Spillane, Tony Brosnan, Darran O’Sullivan.
If Briòn is unavailable, I would start Dan O’Donoghue and push Tom to the wing to enable us push up on Donegal, everyone is spouting the serious baller that Lee Keegan was both from a defending, man marking, attacking and scoring point of view, for me Tom Sullivan is just as effective, we should explore the possibility off releasing the Dingle man from the shackles of corner back, it would be hugely beneficial to our side.
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Post by peanuts on Jan 9, 2023 17:32:39 GMT
Roscommon, Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal all have changes both from a backroom and player personnel point of view, teams with new management teams, I would envisage there should be a new manager bounce, In donegals case the delay on this regard appointing and the void left by Michael Murphy May balance this out for the first game, As for the starting team or match day panel, Jack hasn’t alluded to the availability of Seanie, Briòn, Graham or Stephen O’Brien. Last year at this stage we were without our first four first choice midfielders, as a result for the McGrath Cuo and early league Seanie and Adrain lined out for the first game vs Kildare, I wonder in the absence of so many would Jack be tempted to reshuffle as a last resort and reinstate the Kenmare man if available to the pivotal number eight shirt as an interim measure. I envisage Jack Savage ma6 make himself available, he was eager last year and played despite being Sigerson tied. Anyway, if all available, I would go with the following, Murphy, Tom Sullivan, Foley, Graham Sullivan, Breen, Tadgh, Briòn, Spillane, Barry, Jack Savage, Seanie, Ronan Buckley, Killian Spillane, Tony Brosnan, Darran O’Sullivan. If Briòn is unavailable, I would start Dan O’Donoghue and push Tom to the wing to enable us push up on Donegal, everyone is spouting the serious baller that Lee Keegan was both from a defending, man marking, attacking and scoring point of view, for me Tom Sullivan is just as effective, we should explore the possibility off releasing the Dingle man from the shackles of corner back, it would be hugely beneficial to our side. Its's Brian, spelled the same as in English. Also, we're in bad shape if we're relying on Darran O'Sullivan against Donegal. I presume you meant Dara Roche.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 9, 2023 18:43:53 GMT
Roscommon, Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal all have changes both from a backroom and player personnel point of view, teams with new management teams, I would envisage there should be a new manager bounce, In donegals case the delay on this regard appointing and the void left by Michael Murphy May balance this out for the first game, As for the starting team or match day panel, Jack hasn’t alluded to the availability of Seanie, Briòn, Graham or Stephen O’Brien. Last year at this stage we were without our first four first choice midfielders, as a result for the McGrath Cuo and early league Seanie and Adrain lined out for the first game vs Kildare, I wonder in the absence of so many would Jack be tempted to reshuffle as a last resort and reinstate the Kenmare man if available to the pivotal number eight shirt as an interim measure. I envisage Jack Savage ma6 make himself available, he was eager last year and played despite being Sigerson tied. Anyway, if all available, I would go with the following, Murphy, Tom Sullivan, Foley, Graham Sullivan, Breen, Tadgh, Briòn, Spillane, Barry, Jack Savage, Seanie, Ronan Buckley, Killian Spillane, Tony Brosnan, Darran O’Sullivan. If Briòn is unavailable, I would start Dan O’Donoghue and push Tom to the wing to enable us push up on Donegal, everyone is spouting the serious baller that Lee Keegan was both from a defending, man marking, attacking and scoring point of view, for me Tom Sullivan is just as effective, we should explore the possibility off releasing the Dingle man from the shackles of corner back, it would be hugely beneficial to our side. Its's Brian, spelled the same as in English. Also, we're in bad shape if we're relying on Darran O'Sullivan against Donegal. I presume you meant Dara Roche. Thanks for the Irish lesson peanuts, the Breen I’m referring to is number five Mike Breen from Beaufort, the Briòn I have selected at seven is Briôn O’Beagleach. Both are in my same half back line. My point is if the An Gaeltacht man is unavailable, I’d be pushing Tom Sull to the wing and starting Casey or Dan Donoghue in the corner
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Post by thehermit on Jan 9, 2023 18:57:10 GMT
Roscommon, Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal all have changes both from a backroom and player personnel point of view, teams with new management teams, I would envisage there should be a new manager bounce, In donegals case the delay on this regard appointing and the void left by Michael Murphy May balance this out for the first game, As for the starting team or match day panel, Jack hasn’t alluded to the availability of Seanie, Briòn, Graham or Stephen O’Brien. Last year at this stage we were without our first four first choice midfielders, as a result for the McGrath Cuo and early league Seanie and Adrain lined out for the first game vs Kildare, I wonder in the absence of so many would Jack be tempted to reshuffle as a last resort and reinstate the Kenmare man if available to the pivotal number eight shirt as an interim measure. I envisage Jack Savage ma6 make himself available, he was eager last year and played despite being Sigerson tied. Anyway, if all available, I would go with the following, Murphy, Tom Sullivan, Foley, Graham Sullivan, Breen, Tadgh, Briòn, Spillane, Barry, Jack Savage, Seanie, Ronan Buckley, Killian Spillane, Tony Brosnan, Darran O’Sullivan. If Briòn is unavailable, I would start Dan O’Donoghue and push Tom to the wing to enable us push up on Donegal, everyone is spouting the serious baller that Lee Keegan was both from a defending, man marking, attacking and scoring point of view, for me Tom Sullivan is just as effective, we should explore the possibility off releasing the Dingle man from the shackles of corner back, it would be hugely beneficial to our side. That's an interesting observation/suggestion Horse. Based on what I saw again yesterday you would say Tom Sull has everything in the locker to morph into that kind of role for sure.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 9, 2023 20:09:35 GMT
Thanks for the Irish lesson peanuts, the Breen I’m referring to is number five Mike Breen from Beaufort, the Briòn I have selected at seven is Briôn O’Beagleach. Both are in my same half back line. My point is if the An Gaeltacht man is unavailable, I’d be pushing Tom Sull to the wing and starting Casey or Dan Donoghue in the corner Yeah Tom Sullivan is a brilliant footballer but because he is a top man marker we have him corner back but he would make a great half back or CB too. You are still pushing for Seanie at midfield and its unfair to judge him on one game v Kildare. I think Seanie is a perfect cf but because we have Paudie too we can afford to try Seanie elsewhere. My real problem with it is I don't like free takers playing too much midfield as the legs tíre quicker and it could cost us late in a game. If Dan O Donoghue or Dylan Casey step up that could free up Tom to move to the HB line. There is serious competition for that line. Breen looks like a starter to me white and one other ?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 9, 2023 20:13:38 GMT
Thanks for the Irish lesson peanuts, the Breen I’m referring to is number five Mike Breen from Beaufort, the Briòn I have selected at seven is Briôn O’Beagleach. Both are in my same half back line. My point is if the An Gaeltacht man is unavailable, I’d be pushing Tom Sull to the wing and starting Casey or Dan Donoghue in the corner Yeah Tom Sullivan is a brilliant footballer but because he is a top man marker we have him corner back but he would make a great half back or CB too. You are still pushing for Seanie at midfield and its unfair to judge him on one game v Kildare. I think Seanie is a perfect cf but because we have Paudie too we can afford to try Seanie elsewhere. My real problem with it is I don't like free takers playing too much midfield as the legs tíre quicker and it could cost us late in a game. No CiarraiMick, I'm not actually advocating for Seanie to midfield, his best and most natural position is the forty - my open question is will Jack in the absence of Moran, Diarmuid, Joe etc, will Jack revert to the tried and trusted Seanie as a temp 8 as a short term measure or test the panel and try a fringe player in a seriously key position. For me Seanie is on the forty end of, similar to early 2022, short term or necessity may require that for start of league that's all.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 9, 2023 20:20:39 GMT
Yeah Tom Sullivan is a brilliant footballer but because he is a top man marker we have him corner back but he would make a great half back or CB too. You are still pushing for Seanie at midfield and its unfair to judge him on one game v Kildare. I think Seanie is a perfect cf but because we have Paudie too we can afford to try Seanie elsewhere. My real problem with it is I don't like free takers playing too much midfield as the legs tíre quicker and it could cost us late in a game. If Dan O Donoghue or Dylan Casey step up that could free up Tom to move to the HB line. There is serious competition for that line. Breen looks like a starter to me white and one other ? Surely Morley is nailed on after the year he had last year so it’s Morley, White and one other. Beaglaoich doesn’t deserve to be dropped but Breen is pushing. I think if any of our corner backs were to move to the half back line it would be Graham and not Tom.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 9, 2023 20:27:52 GMT
Lads I would prefer kerry to be getting to a league final, as discussed many times, we need top class football as close to the championship as possible, due to lack of a test in munster, albeit we do see some improvement in cork.
So for me we don’t have the luxury of a mid table league position, all the way to the final for me.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 9, 2023 20:41:31 GMT
If Dan O Donoghue or Dylan Casey step up that could free up Tom to move to the HB line. There is serious competition for that line. Breen looks like a starter to me white and one other ? Surely Morley is nailed on after the year he had last year so it’s Morley, White and one other. Beaglaoich doesn’t deserve to be dropped but Breen is pushing. I think if any of our corner backs were to move to the half back line it would be Graham and not Tom. Honestly I think very few players are nailed on. We have very good competition back there and it's a new year so whomever is on form in training should be picked. Tadgh did phenomenally well last year but we need to push on again because others will figure out how go combat that sweeper role. While I'm expecting a tough league, Talk of avoiding relegation is OTT to me. We are the league winners for the past 3 years. Win our 3 home games and 1 away and we will likely make a final.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 9, 2023 21:02:20 GMT
Agree, we have supposedly the best panel in the country, admittedity brothers Clifford are absent but still wee should have enough to win the home and pick up some points on the road.
Time to step up for some fringe players.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 9, 2023 21:09:19 GMT
Honestly I think very few players are nailed on. We have very good competition back there and it's a new year so whomever is on form in training should be picked. Tadgh did phenomenally well last year but we need to push on again because others will figure out how go combat that sweeper role. While I'm expecting a tough league, Talk of avoiding relegation is OTT to me. We are the league winners for the past 3 years. Win our 3 home games and 1 away and we will likely make a final. Easier said than done. Teams rise for Kerry and I don't think we will win all our home games. Of course I'd like a final too but staying in div 1 will satisfy me. I don't ask for much just to retain Sam 😁and maybe 7 in a row. I think the two teams that are in a relegation battle are two we have at home in Roscommon and Monaghan. Armagh will be tough no doubt. If we pick one 1 win away that should be enough. But like you I'll be happy with decent league because there's a lot of games in the championship. Last year I think there was 60 in total and 99 this year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 10, 2023 12:24:39 GMT
Lads is there any word on Diarmuids injury?
I know ligaments were mentioned but do we know the severity yet ?
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