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Post by kerryexile on Jul 15, 2022 9:43:18 GMT
I am based in Galway for a number of years now and have watched alot of these players in club action over the years. What they have achieved this year has taken me by surprise. The goalkeeping situation is one which most people here cant get their head around. For most he is not even third choice. He will surely be targeted and This will certainly cost them in the final I accept that the people may be surprised by the decision to select that keeper, but Pádraic Joyce and his management team have a professional approach. After all they have brought a team that was in division 2 to the AIF and to preempt the "they got the easy side of the draw" brigade, that path was available to every team in Connacht and Ulster but Galway prevailed. So Pádraic & co. see some advantage in their selection and we shouldn't see it as a vulnerability in their team.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 15, 2022 10:13:48 GMT
I am based in Galway for a number of years now and have watched alot of these players in club action over the years. What they have achieved this year has taken me by surprise. The goalkeeping situation is one which most people here cant get their head around. For most he is not even third choice. He will surely be targeted and This will certainly cost them in the final I accept that the people may be surprised by the decision to select that keeper, but Pádraic Joyce and his management team have a professional approach. After all they have brought a team that was in division 2 to the AIF and to preempt the "they got the easy side of the draw" brigade, that path was available to every team in Connacht and Ulster but Galway prevailed. So Pádraic & co. see some advantage in their selection and we shouldn't see it as a vulnerability in their team. A few experiments to confirm your hypothesis wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 15, 2022 10:25:37 GMT
Tactically sending high balls into the square will be like catnip to Jack. I still can't figure out why Derry didn't even try it once.
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Post by southward on Jul 15, 2022 10:36:26 GMT
I am based in Galway for a number of years now and have watched alot of these players in club action over the years. What they have achieved this year has taken me by surprise. The goalkeeping situation is one which most people here cant get their head around. For most he is not even third choice. He will surely be targeted and This will certainly cost them in the final I accept that the people may be surprised by the decision to select that keeper, but Pádraic Joyce and his management team have a professional approach. After all they have brought a team that was in division 2 to the AIF and to preempt the "they got the easy side of the draw" brigade, that path was available to every team in Connacht and Ulster but Galway prevailed. So Pádraic & co. see some advantage in their selection and we shouldn't see it as a vulnerability in their team. On the "easy side" thing - would anyone be saying that if Tyrone had been there? Yet Galway beat the two teams (Armagh & Derry) that beat Tyrone in this year's championship. Also Mayo & Roscommon in Connaught. The haven't had an easy passage at all, far from it.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 15, 2022 10:37:03 GMT
I genuinely think that people are just joking about starting Stefan at this stage, otherwise I would have serious concerns for them. They have probably seen him play a max of 2 football games in the last 3/4 years, he isn’t making the panel a lot of the time and he has never played senior championship for Kerry. Utter lunacy or sheer stupi..ty - I can’t decide, the next person to suggest it should be forced to report on cork club football for the next 5 years I don't think anybody has suggested Stefan starting. Somebody suggested he may be on the bench (he was against Mayo) if Gavin White doesn't make it and wondered would he be an option in the last 15 mins. Equally as unrealistic and, frankly, stupid. Why don’t we bring donaghy back to play full forward as their keeper is dodgy under a high ball. Paul Murphy or Gavin Crowley will come in
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Post by buck02 on Jul 15, 2022 10:42:11 GMT
I don't think anybody has suggested Stefan starting. Somebody suggested he may be on the bench (he was against Mayo) if Gavin White doesn't make it and wondered would he be an option in the last 15 mins. Equally as unrealistic and, frankly, stupid. Why don’t we bring donaghy back to play full forward as their keeper is dodgy under a high ball. Paul Murphy or Gavin Crowley will come in I agree Murphy and Crowley would be ahead of him but Stefan was a sub against Mayo in the quarter final so must be doing something right. If White is out realistically we have two options in the backs. Dan Donoghue won't play for Kerry this year again. If we pick up two injuries in the backs during the game then who could slot into the backs and would Stefan be an option was my initial question.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 15, 2022 11:00:39 GMT
Equally as unrealistic and, frankly, stupid. Why don’t we bring donaghy back to play full forward as their keeper is dodgy under a high ball. Paul Murphy or Gavin Crowley will come in I agree Murphy and Crowley would be ahead of him but Stefan was a sub against Mayo in the quarter final so must be doing something right. If White is out realistically we have two options in the backs. Dan Donoghue won't play for Kerry this year again. If we pick up two injuries in the backs during the game then who could slot into the backs and would Stefan be an option was my initial question. Unlikely. I think Adrian went to wing back last Sunday so I assume he would be next in line if we picked up a couple of injuries in the backs. Jack Barry could play as an emergency defender also I think and there is also Jack O Shea. But as you say Stefan has been on tHe bench a few times this year, so he is clearly impressing them in certain ways.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 15, 2022 11:07:54 GMT
The thing i havent seen galway compete with this year is the pace of the game that was played last sunday. Everything was done at 100mph galway really struggled with armagh when they upped the pace of things and it got manic. I hope we are brave and go for it early like we did against dublin start with seanie at 14 and kick it in early and often dublin had plenty players back but the movement by cliffords and o shea had them in trouble by my count we scored 1-8 from 10 efforts which is serious going. Galway havent faced anything like that this year really mayo are not capable of it anymore rossies arent at that level , armagh wouldnt be the fastest team ( saw that in the league up there ) and derry well pedestrian. If we start slow i think it will give them confidence and a galway team that has that is always dangerous. Not sure on starting forwards yet id nearly be inclined to go same again with adrian in for DOC or moran if its a hot day id rather have david fresh for 2nd half and we need a man who will lift supporters and team when he comes on david is a leader and the roar from kerry fans when he comes on would be a great lift!
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 15, 2022 11:09:27 GMT
To nip back into this conversation, Dan O'Donoghue has played all recent county league games and been back in with the panel for a month or so, according to Jack's interview.
It is my opinion that Crowley will start in the event of White falling out, this still leave murphy in reserve and Dan if required, as most have alluded to Adrain filled back in there the last day and if wanted for a central sweeping role could fall back in the hole with Tadgh going to the wing... truth be told, any of our midfielders could fill a sweeping role with Tadgh going west.
In the modern game, wing back and wing forwards play a similar role
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Post by john4 on Jul 15, 2022 11:30:49 GMT
In the modern game, I see no difference between the positions 5, 7, 10 and 12. In the AFL these positions are known as ruck-men.
The contest the dirty balls and attack or defend as required.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 15, 2022 11:35:13 GMT
If White is unavailable I'd prefer to keep Paul Murphy in reserve. He is so versatile that should we need a sub in the back 6 he could comfortably slot in anywhere. I couldn't say the same for others. I'd start Crowley probably.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 15, 2022 11:58:13 GMT
In defence I would be shocked to see either of Stefan or Jack O Shea get game time this year - they are on the match day panel when numbers are tight. The simple fact is neither player has had enough game time with Kerry for Jack to take that sort of risk and historically Jack does not take this type of risk. Dan O Donoghue who is unlikely to play would probably be ahead of either due to the game time he has achieved this year - releasing him for club games and keeping him on the panel would point in this direction for me. 2023 will be when Stefan and JOS get their chances if they remain injury free.
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 15, 2022 11:59:22 GMT
Paul Murphy has been first choice sub in defense against Cork, Mayo and Dublin. No doubt in my mind Paul will start v Galway in White's presumed absence. Jack O'Connor doesn't do surprise moves in defense and any other move besides Paul would be a big surprise.
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Post by kerryboyo on Jul 15, 2022 12:14:46 GMT
I would go with crowley, murphy has great experience he would be a better impact then crowley I would presume dan o Donoghue would come in for the bench as he was released to his club at the weekend for minutes into the legs it’ll be interesting who they play at 12 Joc SoB AS DM and 15 PG TB KS
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 15, 2022 12:28:38 GMT
I would think Murphy starts also. He is a proven operator at this level and it is the obvious move.
I have a feeling Dara Moynihan starts instead of O Brien. He has found his way back into form. If it hadn’t been for injury, he would never have been dropped. I think the rest of the team stays the same. Adrian is pushing hard but he is quite a versatile player so will be utilised off the bench I feel.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 15, 2022 12:57:26 GMT
And BTW re Hawk Eye there is something fishy going on here - from what I understand the technology is not the issue when the camera lies. It couldn't be a software bug as the routine has been run thousands of times. If they are saying it was the hardware then Hawk Eye cannot be trusted under any circumstances, meaning all and any previous recordings are void. It is as simple as this - did anyone ever see a photo that lied? It had to be human intervention and if it wasn't internal staff then it was a security breach - very worrying stuff. How many games have been decided on such calls?
Clear as it was the ref and umpires should have seen it but for Hawk Eye to 'intervene' reeks of something unsavoury here, very.P.S. 'Intervene' should have read 'contradict' - strange or not but I believe as of lately the ref no longer asks Hawk eye - instead the Hawk contacts him if there is a miscall. This is how they put it - 'A combination of unrelated issues, including minor hardware failures, led to the erroneous finding.' Maybe they will tell us more - of course the likelihood is that the GAA is being wronged here, maybe held over a barrel? I think you are going overboard here. It was a mistake. Hardware failure do happen. With the multiple camera system in place for hawk eye even a freak occurrence like birdsh*t covering a lense could throw out the triangulation algorithm used to calculate the trajectory of the ball. Wimbledon, the cricket (ashes etc) use 10 60k-70k HD cameras to track the ball movement etc. Also the playing of the graphic on screen etc is all done via a manual operation. Good explanation below.
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 15, 2022 13:47:00 GMT
I would think Murphy starts also. He is a proven operator at this level and it is the obvious move. I have a feeling Dara Moynihan starts instead of O Brien. He has found his way back into form. If it hadn’t been for injury, he would never have been dropped. I think the rest of the team stays the same. Adrian is pushing hard but he is quite a versatile player so will be utilised off the bench I feel. Yes, and add in that Murphy was MOTM in 2014 as wing-back and it's a done deal that Murphy starts imo. One aspect about Stephen O'Brien is that he was marked by James McCarthy who has probably been the best player in Ireland over the last decade, while Galway's halfback line is probably their weakest line. Galway's 3 best backs will be on O'Shea and Clifford X2 so Kerry's 2 other forwards will really need to produce the goods either on the scoreboard or setting up scores (our other forward is more a 3rd midfielder)
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 15, 2022 14:34:28 GMT
Paul Murphy will start, I have a feeling that White will make it though
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 15, 2022 14:43:19 GMT
Jack said yesterday that they were still waiting on the results of Gavins scan. It seems a bit odd that the results of the scan are not yet known. One way or the other, something does not add up here.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 15, 2022 14:51:22 GMT
Jack said yesterday that they were still waiting on the results of Gavins scan. It seems a bit odd that the results of the scan are not yet known. One way or the other, something does not add up here. If you were Jack, why show Galway your hand? I'd say Jack will say doubtful enough until gametime. Jack Barry and Adrian Spillane were getting the same reaction from him too before Dublin.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 15, 2022 14:51:23 GMT
I would think Murphy starts also. He is a proven operator at this level and it is the obvious move. I have a feeling Dara Moynihan starts instead of O Brien. He has found his way back into form. If it hadn’t been for injury, he would never have been dropped. I think the rest of the team stays the same. Adrian is pushing hard but he is quite a versatile player so will be utilised off the bench I feel. Yes, and add in that Murphy was MOTM in 2014 as wing-back and it's a done deal that Murphy starts imo. One aspect about Stephen O'Brien is that he was marked by James McCarthy who has probably been the best player in Ireland over the last decade, while Galway's halfback line is probably their weakest line. Galway's 3 best backs will be on O'Shea and Clifford X2 so Kerry's 2 other forwards will really need to produce the goods either on the scoreboard or setting up scores (our other forward is more a 3rd midfielder) yes, but 2014 was eight years ago.... sure eight years ago, I was flying fit myself....
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 15, 2022 14:58:44 GMT
I would think Murphy starts also. He is a proven operator at this level and it is the obvious move. I have a feeling Dara Moynihan starts instead of O Brien. He has found his way back into form. If it hadn’t been for injury, he would never have been dropped. I think the rest of the team stays the same. Adrian is pushing hard but he is quite a versatile player so will be utilised off the bench I feel. Yes, and add in that Murphy was MOTM in 2014 as wing-back and it's a done deal that Murphy starts imo. One aspect about Stephen O'Brien is that he was marked by James McCarthy who has probably been the best player in Ireland over the last decade, while Galway's halfback line is probably their weakest line. Galway's 3 best backs will be on O'Shea and Clifford X2 so Kerry's 2 other forwards will really need to produce the goods either on the scoreboard or setting up scores (our other forward is more a 3rd midfielder) That's a long time ago now. Plus I feel jack will want a bit of strength in the half back line to 'stand up' runners to allow retreating half forwards or midfielders to surround the player in possession to engineer turnovers. Don't think Murphy has the physique for that. Patrick Kelly and Johnny Heaney are both 6 foot if not taller. He would be a target for kickouts I would feel. Think Gavin will start though
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 15, 2022 15:03:15 GMT
I find Gavin White a very brave player. He takes a fair bit of punishment and with the speed he hits even a stumble means hitting the ground with force.
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Post by homerj on Jul 15, 2022 15:29:36 GMT
I find Gavin White a very brave player. He takes a fair bit of punishment and with the speed he hits even a stumble means hitting the ground with force. i rate Gavin really highly and really admire him but he does sometimes hold on to the ball that little bit longer that invites a belt or a tackle. he has had 3 bad injuries now already this year.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 15, 2022 15:41:53 GMT
I accept that the people may be surprised by the decision to select that keeper, but Pádraic Joyce and his management team have a professional approach. After all they have brought a team that was in division 2 to the AIF and to preempt the "they got the easy side of the draw" brigade, that path was available to every team in Connacht and Ulster but Galway prevailed. So Pádraic & co. see some advantage in their selection and we shouldn't see it as a vulnerability in their team. A few experiments to confirm your hypothesis wouldn't go amiss. A few experiments ?????? to confirm your hypothesis wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by veteran on Jul 15, 2022 15:48:00 GMT
Paul Murphy will start, I have a feeling that White will make it though Kerrybhoy, I hope you are right about Gavin but it looked as if the injury was a serious one. Admittedly, I was a good distance away. Either way Jack is right to sing dumb . Keep the boys up wast guessing. If Gavin does miss out , it means we are having very tough luck with the state of health of the backs - Dan O’Donoghue, Dylan Casey, Mike Breen. We don’t have a bottomless pit of reserve talent back there It would be great for the nerves if Gavin does make it. Talking about Gavin, I was very annoyed that the referee allowed play to go on considering how long he was down. He must have been down for the guts of five minutes. Indeed, I think another Kerry player went down at that time also, meaning we were very shorthanded at a time Dublin were rampaging. Contrast that with the tomfoolery of the Dublin goalie when it appeared that play would be stopped long enough for an ambulance to arrive if needed. I have no doubt at all that injuries are being feigned and I am not sure what the appropriate solution is. Thinking back, Kerry probably had to play with fourteen men for as long as Dublin with their imaginary ten minute black card. There are so many things the GAA need to address. On the other hand, this would not be necessary if players/management approached matters in the proper spirit. Currently it is dog eats dog.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 15, 2022 15:50:46 GMT
A few experiments to confirm your hypothesis wouldn't go amiss. A few experiments to confirm your hypothesis wouldn't go amiss. Kick it long to confirm the hypothesis that the Galway keeper is good.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 15, 2022 16:23:37 GMT
I see your point.
I'm not saying whether he's good or bad - I don't really know - but Padraic Joyce has a reason for selecting a keeper that the general public rate about 4th best of the available options, and for that reason it would be naive of us to assume its a weak spot.
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Post by fitz on Jul 15, 2022 17:35:40 GMT
I see your point. I'm not saying whether he's good or bad - I don't really know - but Padraic Joyce has a reason for selecting a keeper that the general public rate about 4th best of the available options, and for that reason it would be naive of us to assume its a weak spot. Surely offset by the not weak spot(s) that is/are?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 15, 2022 17:48:25 GMT
Actually what would Quirke's strengths be as a selector? Just something I am curious about. Had a tough time in Laois but I suspect that will be the norm going forward they are in a bad place including at schools level. He sounded very good as an analyst.
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