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Post by Fado on Jul 15, 2022 19:30:40 GMT
I have seen the selectors in attendance at numerous games for many years, what they bring to team management is obvious.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 15, 2022 19:34:21 GMT
Can I ask, some are stating that the keeper is third choice, may I ask where or who the first and second choice are?
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Post by taggert on Jul 15, 2022 20:53:34 GMT
Patrick Kelly is the wing forward on Gavin Whites side. Someone said he is over 6ft. He is in fact 6ft 5in. Were Paul Murphy to play instead of Gavin, he would certainly need to pick up somebody else otherwise kick outs will be directed there. Given Begley is not a giant height wise either, its something to consider. Jack may pull a horses for courses card here but options appear limited.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2022 21:13:26 GMT
I think Dublin really blundered in not starting Paddy Small when Con couldn't start. When he came on he created lots of problems and showed for footpasses and the mark etc. Suddenly Dublin has an outlet to kick quick ball to.
The Kerry defense were brilliant as turning over the Dubs who tried to hand pass through them.
However i think the likes of John Daly and others will be sending fast ball forward in all directions and it will be a different challenge for the backs.
Kerrys last two points came from frees conceded by Dublin backs under pressure from quick footpasses...the first by Dara M and the second of course by Paul M.
As someone said earlier today...it does appear that James McCarthy only thundered into the game when SoB went off. If i were an opponent i would love to see the back of SoB.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 15, 2022 21:37:45 GMT
[quote author=" Mickmack" source="/post/265080/thread" As someone said earlier today...it does appear that James McCarthy only thundered into the game when SoB went off. If i were an opponent i would love to see the back of SoB. [/quote] God no, can’t agree, from my position in the Cusack, I saw the influence of McCarthy in the first half, he was unreal in my opinion, he was the one player, I felt could unsettle us and took the fight to Kerry. I think he as well as Kilkenny personified the fight of this great Dublin side. I though he gave the Kenmare man the run around in the first half.
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Post by hatchetman on Jul 15, 2022 21:53:15 GMT
Anything to be said for Clifford pulling the full back and maybe another back out to the wing and David Moran drifting into the box to meet a few angled garryowens and test their keepers nerves?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 15, 2022 23:05:38 GMT
Back in January if you were told Kerry would play Galway in an All Ireland Final after beating Cork away and Mayo and Dublin what would you have said ??
Let's not over think this.
Galway have threats no doubt but let's focus on ours.
Galway are not Dublin or Tyrone or Mayo in CP.
Respect yes, target Comer and Walsh yes.. But we are in a good place.
Nothing for granted but we have to believe.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 15, 2022 23:18:05 GMT
Patrick Kelly is the wing forward on Gavin Whites side. Someone said he is over 6ft. He is in fact 6ft 5in. Were Paul Murphy to play instead of Gavin, he would certainly need to pick up somebody else otherwise kick outs will be directed there. Given Begley is not a giant height wise either, its something to consider. Jack may pull a horses for courses card here but options appear limited. Adrian Spillane would be the other option.
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Post by exiled on Jul 16, 2022 0:31:01 GMT
Can I ask, some are stating that the keeper is third choice, may I ask where or who the first and second choice are? Conor Flaherty is first I'd say but got injured against Roscommon.
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Post by Moderator on Jul 16, 2022 0:49:34 GMT
Look let's call a spade a spade. I watch everything but people criticise when they don't like what I say. I tell the truth. Last Sunday the truth is that our forwards were brutal in 2nd half. Seanie disappeared and David kicked two bad attempts giving the Dubs oxygen. . You give your opinion, mick.
This is a discussion board where every opinion is welcome.
Feel free to give your opinion, but don't try to ram it down our throats.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 16, 2022 1:42:24 GMT
Look let's call a spade a spade. I watch everything but people criticise when they don't like what I say. I tell the truth. Last Sunday the truth is that our forwards were brutal in 2nd half. Seanie disappeared and David kicked two bad attempts giving the Dubs oxygen. . You contradict yourself in a way - McCarthy was marshalled while attacker SO'B was on, and so too were DC and SOS, by defenders, I think you also need to factor in the pressure and it is no coincidence that our two best suffered and Jackoc said as much about them drawing 2 men and so leaving it open for others. This was a stress testing affair and greats on both sides struggled - that JB wanted off but couldn't be spared just about sums it up. DC was literally out on his feet and while yes, he does miss the odd easy enough one, to me it just goes to show he is stress tested all the time. Jazus the Farneys were routinely headbutting him in '2019 and then look what he did to O'Houra - we need perspective here, talk to someone who played at that level, I did, I mean I talk to a few who did. BTW could the sweltering heat forecasted affect forthcoming games I wonder?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2022 10:06:58 GMT
If Jim Gavin was still managing Dublin and McCaffrey and Mannion were still playing (as well as Con being available v Kerry) then Dublin might be going for 9 in a row now.
But they are not. Things have changed thankfully.
The standard has dropped a bit.
But Sam will be handed out to the 2022 winning captain the same way as Liam McCarthy was handed to the winning captain in 2018.
In 2018 every hurling team had a glaring weakness. Limerick had no experience of winning. Galway were spun out after 4 years at the highest level. Cork had no subs. Tipp had poor backs. KK had no forwards apart from TJ and Richie Hogan.
But it made for fantastic close contests.
I think the football this year is similar.
Two teams have found a way through all the mayhem.
In 2018 final Limerick hit 22 wides as they didnt want take take the ball into contact as they were physically the weaker then. But they got 3 goals and won by a point. They found a way. Look at what they have become since then.
So i dont think there is any point in looking for perfection and high standards in quality.
The only standard is that every player gives everything he has for the team. Jack is as wise as they come. We know in our hearts that he will have them right mentally. He is old enough to remember Galway ambushing Kildare in 1978 and Meath in 2001.
Prior to the Dublin game you could pick out 5 or 6 that you could depend on to deliver a performance....Seanie, DC, Moran for as long as he lasted, Tom Sullivan, GW and Tadhg. I think you can add Shane Ryan, BoB, Graham, Jason, Jack and Diarmaid to that now.
The others are need a few things to go right for them on the day and hopefully they will and they will all click.
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Post by diego on Jul 16, 2022 12:52:16 GMT
Would expect Galway to go with same starting 15 as against Derry. I'd go with Brian to follow Shane Walsh, if anyone has the pace to match SW when he goes roaming and takes off on a solo run then it's BOB. Graham seems best suited to come out to half back and take P Kelly. Graham would have a good spring and is used to playing midfield for Dromid and is excellent going forward. Paul Murphy has impressed any time he's been called up on and i'd give him the nod. He has the big game temperament needed for this. Galway force a lot of long kick outs where Moran and Conroy should have a good battle. McDaid will run all day and Jack Barry would have the best engine to match him. No 12 is a bit of a toss up and might come down to who's performing in the last couple of training sessions. I think i'd keep DOC in as he's the best option for kick outs on that line, and leave Adrian Spillane and SOB to come in at a suitable time in the 2nd half. My line up predictions:
GALWAY: Connor Gleeson; Liam Silke, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Kieran Molloy; Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Patrick Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney, Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Shane Walsh.
Kerry: Shane Ryan, Brian Ó Beaglaíoch, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan, Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Graham O'Sullivan, David Moran, Jack Barry, Dara Moynihan, Sean O'Shea, Diarmuid O'Connor, Paudie Clifford, David Clifford, Paul Geaney.
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Post by tpo on Jul 16, 2022 12:54:38 GMT
Dara in twice ?
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Post by tpo on Jul 16, 2022 12:55:45 GMT
Who do we know are injured and can't play ? Mick Breen
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 16, 2022 12:57:24 GMT
Actually what would Quirke's strengths be as a selector? Just something I am curious about. Had a tough time in Laois but I suspect that will be the norm going forward they are in a bad place including at schools level. He sounded very good as an analyst. Tactically very astute and good analyst - think he does a lot of analysis on the opposition - basketball background very helpful too on set plays.
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Post by diego on Jul 16, 2022 12:57:34 GMT
Good spot! Corrected now.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 16, 2022 13:28:04 GMT
Can I ask, some are stating that the keeper is third choice, may I ask where or who the first and second choice are? Conor Flaherty is first I'd say but got injured against Roscommon. Yes, Flaherty from Claregalway was first choice goalie throughout the league for Galway. He went off injured in the second half of the league final and is still not fit to return.
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Post by diego on Jul 16, 2022 13:43:45 GMT
Conor Flaherty is first I'd say but got injured against Roscommon. Yes, Flaherty from Claregalway was first choice goalie throughout the league for Galway. He went off injured in the second half of the league final and is still not fit to return. I remember watching Gleeson and Galway self-destruct to almost comical degree against Mayo a year or 2 ago. I thought he'd never get the Jersey again after that. He's made a good comeback in fairness to him and rewarded Joyce's faith. He does look a bit dodgy under the high ball as was seen v Armagh, although his teammates should have done more to protect the square. He seems to have good hands but doesn't like too much traffic or contact in and around him by the looks of it. Might be due to his soccer origins where breathing near the goalkeeper is usually enough for a free out.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 16, 2022 13:49:20 GMT
Actually what would Quirke's strengths be as a selector? Just something I am curious about. Had a tough time in Laois but I suspect that will be the norm going forward they are in a bad place including at schools level. He sounded very good as an analyst. Tactically very astute and good analyst - think he does a lot of analysis on the opposition - basketball background very helpful too on set plays. A qualified GDA with experience at club and intercounty level outside of his native Kerry. I’ve played both with and against Quirke and listened to many of his training seminars as a GDA when they were held in Mitchels before a sod was turned in Curran’s. Very astute and learned man on the game, he is actually a man I could see at the main main down the line as our county manager.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 16, 2022 16:59:14 GMT
Look let's call a spade a spade. I watch everything but people criticise when they don't like what I say. I tell the truth. Last Sunday the truth is that our forwards were brutal in 2nd half. Seanie disappeared and David kicked two bad attempts giving the Dubs oxygen. . Mick you seem to constantly have an issue with David. If a Dub kicked 6 points and roasted a 8 time all ireland champion you'd be raving about him. A bit of perspective is required re the second half, David had bearly trained since the Cork game and was playing in 25 degrees and being double marked. Fenton, Kilkenny and rock all kicked wides too yet they aren't held to same level you hold David too. Nobody is perfect.
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Post by boots on Jul 16, 2022 17:18:15 GMT
Tactically very astute and good analyst - think he does a lot of analysis on the opposition - basketball background very helpful too on set plays. A qualified GDA with experience at club and intercounty level outside of his native Kerry. I’ve played both with and against Quirke and listened to many of his training seminars as a GDA when they were held in Mitchels before a sod was turned in Curran’s. Very astute and learned man on the game, he is actually a man I could see at the main main down the line as our county manager. I was really pleased to see Quirke on Jack’s ticket. I’ve listened to things he’s done in the past and I’ve found him very impressive - the man has a masters degree in coaching, he’s played and managed at inter-county level and his basketball experience must be a big help the way modern football is going. No more that Donaghy going to Armagh, or Tomas with Offaly, it’s ok to let these lads go and learn their craft, but Kerry really need to find a way to keep as many of them involved at all levels within the county. Diarmuid Murphy has huge experience as both a player and a selector with Eamon Fitz. He seems calm and cool. Paddy Tally, despite some early reservations from some quarters appears to have been an excellent addition. All in all, you’d have to say the management have done a fine job to this point, with one huge test to come.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 16, 2022 17:53:01 GMT
A qualified GDA with experience at club and intercounty level outside of his native Kerry. I’ve played both with and against Quirke and listened to many of his training seminars as a GDA when they were held in Mitchels before a sod was turned in Curran’s. Very astute and learned man on the game, he is actually a man I could see at the main main down the line as our county manager. I was really pleased to see Quirke on Jack’s ticket. I’ve listened to things he’s done in the past and I’ve found him very impressive - the man has a masters degree in coaching, he’s played and managed at inter-county level and his basketball experience must be a big help the way modern football is going. No more that Donaghy going to Armagh, or Tomas with Offaly, it’s ok to let these lads go and learn their craft, but Kerry really need to find a way to keep as many of them involved at all levels within the county. Diarmuid Murphy has huge experience as both a player and a selector with Eamon Fitz. He seems calm and cool. Paddy Tally, despite some early reservations from some quarters appears to have been an excellent addition. All in all, you’d have to say the management have done a fine job to this point, with one huge test to come. Absolutely they have done everything that had been asked of them. Could we have imagined last year that from Jan to now we would concede 3 goals ? One being a very dubious penalty. I think the county can be very proud of these lads regardless of Sunday’s result.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 16, 2022 18:14:52 GMT
Tactically very astute and good analyst - think he does a lot of analysis on the opposition - basketball background very helpful too on set plays. A qualified GDA with experience at club and intercounty level outside of his native Kerry. I’ve played both with and against Quirke and listened to many of his training seminars as a GDA when they were held in Mitchels before a sod was turned in Curran’s. Very astute and learned man on the game, he is actually a man I could see at the main main down the line as our county manager. Think that Quirke will be next bainisteoir if he wants it when Jack steps down - he ( Quirke) will have served his apprenticeship well!
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Post by john4 on Jul 16, 2022 19:06:31 GMT
On July 24th, Galway & Kerry will meet in the 2022 All-Ireland SFC final.
Kerry’s 2022 season, to date
Played: 15 Won: 13 Drew: 1 Lost: 1
2022 McGrath Cup
- Group stage Rd.1 (Jan. 5th) Kerry 2-23 Limerick 0-06 (Austin Stack Park, Tralee) - Group stage Rd.2 (Jan. 12th) Kerry 1-23 Tipperary 0-05 (Templetuohy) - Final (Jan. 22nd) Kerry 2-17 Cork 0-11 (Fitzgerald Stadium)
2022 NFL Div.1
- Rd.1 (Jan. 30th) Kerry 1-10 Kildare 0-13 (St. Conleth’s Park, Newbridge) - Rd.2 (Feb. 5th) Kerry 1-15 Dublin 0-11 (Austin Stack Park, Tralee) - Rd.3 (Feb. 20th) Kerry 1-13 Donegal 0-07 (Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney) - Rd.4 (Feb. 27th) Kerry 3-14 Monaghan 1-12 (Inniskeen) - Rd.5 (Mar. 12th) Kerry 1-12 Mayo 0-14 (Austin Stack Park, Tralee) - Rd.6 (Mar. 20th) Kerry 1-13 Armagh 0-13 (Athletic Grounds, Armagh) - Rd.7 (Mar. 27th) Tyrone 1-15 Kerry 2-11 (Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney) - Final (Apr. 3rd) Kerry 3-19 Mayo 0-13 (Croke Park)
2022 Munster SFC
- Semi-final (May 7th) Kerry 0-23 Cork 0-11 (Páirc Uí Rinn) - Final (May 28th) Kerry 1-28 Limerick 0-08 (Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney)
2022 All-Ireland SFC - Quarter-final (Jun. 26th) Kerry 1-18 Mayo 0-13 (Croke Park) - Semi-final (Jul. 10th) Kerry 1-14 Dublin 1-13 (Croke Park)
Came across this on Facebook. Good summary of the year (so far) What's next!!!
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Post by veteran on Jul 16, 2022 19:43:34 GMT
I agree with Diego. Brian O’Beaghlaigh is the marker from hell for Shane Walsh.
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2022 21:57:30 GMT
Initial weather forecast for the final is shocking bad weather!
Pretty much a total washout for the evening. Hope to f*ck it's wrong as that us terrible news for us as nothing levels a game more and brings down the quality of it like the weather.
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Post by Moderator on Jul 16, 2022 22:10:28 GMT
Initial weather forecast for the final is shocking bad weather! Pretty much a total washout for the evening. Hope to f*ck it's wrong as that us terrible news for us as nothing levels a game more and brings down the quality of it like the weather. I see "patchy rain possible" for the afternoon...per weather25.com
Crazy trying to guess 8 days out...update again around Thursday, when a better guess can be made.
guess = opinion given by trained meteorologists, often with years of university
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 16, 2022 22:24:47 GMT
I would be surprised if Tom does not pickup Walsh
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 16, 2022 22:50:09 GMT
Initial weather forecast for the final is shocking bad weather! Pretty much a total washout for the evening. Hope to f*ck it's wrong as that us terrible news for us as nothing levels a game more and brings down the quality of it like the weather. A chance of a shower. Not shocking bad weather. It's the same for both teams.
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