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Post by The16thMan on May 9, 2022 0:45:57 GMT
So we are now through to the final vs Tipperary or Limerick (I will edit the title when the opponents are known). It will be at home in Fitzgerald Stadium on Saturday May 28th with a 3pm throw in. I thought Kerry played reasonably well from maybe 1-11 against Cork. Inside line was snuffed out thanks to Corks sweeper system and I thought when we did get the ball into our inside forwards, they forced it too much and either kicked bad wides or got turned over. I think Jack should give Tony Brosnan another game before bringing back Geaney or not. Tony is a good player but lacks thr composure an experienced player would have. The experience of a Munster Final would bring him on. We missed Dara Moynihan vs Cork to get early ball into the full forward line I would have him instead of Adrian if he's fit. Also I would give Dan O'Donoghue a run out before the Quarter Final if he's fit also. Graham did nothing wrong apart from being badly sold by Sherlocks dummy hop but Dan needs the game time. Morans role as an impact sub might be a game changer, he's really suited to the role of helping the team over the line so I would continue with that.
My team to play the Munster Final:
1) S.Ryan 2) D.O'Donoghue 3) J.Foley 4) T.O'Sullivan 5) B.Ó'Beaglaíoch 6) T.Morley 7) G.White 8) D.O'Connor 9) J.Barry 10) D.Moynihan 11) S.O'Shea 12) S.O'Brien 13) T.Brosnan 14) D.Clifford 15) P.Clifford
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Post by glengael on May 9, 2022 13:55:25 GMT
Will Dan O'Donoghue be back in the reckoning or what is his current state of recovery?
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Post by tpo on May 9, 2022 14:57:25 GMT
If Adrian is fit he will start and replaced early 2nd half. I know Tony Brosnan is a high scoring club forward but was replaced twice in matches I attended by Paul Geaney (Monaghan & Cork) and the difference was dramatic in both. .
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Post by dc84 on May 9, 2022 15:59:49 GMT
If Dan is sufficiently recovered its Tom sull I would be replacing myself I thought he was the poorer of the 2 corner backs graham deserves another shot thought he got to grips with Sherlock well after half time
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Post by KY50 on May 9, 2022 17:07:33 GMT
If Dan is sufficiently recovered its Tom sull I would be replacing myself I thought he was the poorer of the 2 corner backs graham deserves another shot thought he got to grips with Sherlock well after half time Jim Gavin finished matches very often with a stronger team than started, like in Rugby players were replaced systematically between 45 and 65 minutes, typically 5 with one player held as contingency towards the end just in case of injury
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Post by horsebox77 on May 9, 2022 17:14:07 GMT
Jack has made very few changes to date unless enforced, I think the only change I can see is Geaney in for Brosnan,. Adrain adds much need muscle the half forward line and think he will make way in second half like he has to date, Stephen will retain his place.
Tom Sullivan’s form has dipped but I think dropping may be more detrimental to the overall picture, form is temporary, class is permanent.
I can see one change as stated above, Geaney for Brosnan and the Crokes man can’t have any complaints
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 9, 2022 17:14:09 GMT
If Dan is sufficiently recovered its Tom sull I would be replacing myself I thought he was the poorer of the 2 corner backs graham deserves another shot thought he got to grips with Sherlock well after half time No way Tom O’Sullivan should be dropped. He is without doubt one of the best corner backs in the country. Yes O’Mahony scored 3 points from play but he’s an excellent forward to be fair to him. I have no fear of Tom not delivering on the big day. In the league final he beat Ryan O’Donoghue who had a great league. He’ll be our match up for the likes of McCurry, McBrearty, Shane Walsh etc. in the All Ireland series. Graham is performing well and I think he’ll hold his position now over Dan O’Donoghue providing he keeps up his form. It’s his jersey to lose and he’s earned that with his performances.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 9, 2022 17:18:21 GMT
Jack has made very few changes to date unless enforced, I think the only change I can see is Geaney in for Brosnan,. Adrain adds much need muscle the half back line and think he will make way in second half like he has to date, Stephen will retain his place. Tom Sullivan’s form has dipped but I think dropping may be more detrimental to the overall picture, form is temporary, class is permanent. I can see one change as stated above, Geaney for Brosnan and the Crokes man can’t have any complaints Agree we’ve found our best 15 through the league, there isn’t going to be major change. Also agree Geaney starts over Brosnan. Brosnan will be a great impact sub, Geaney is the more reliable starter.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on May 9, 2022 19:35:01 GMT
If Dan is sufficiently recovered its Tom sull I would be replacing myself I thought he was the poorer of the 2 corner backs graham deserves another shot thought he got to grips with Sherlock well after half time No way Tom O’Sullivan should be dropped. He is without doubt one of the best corner backs in the country. Yes O’Mahony scored 3 points from play but he’s an excellent forward to be fair to him. I have no fear of Tom not delivering on the big day. In the league final he beat Ryan O’Donoghue who had a great league. He’ll be our match up for the likes of McCurry, McBrearty, Shane Walsh etc. in the All Ireland series. Graham is performing well and I think he’ll hold his position now over Dan O’Donoghue providing he keeps up his form. It’s his jersey to lose and he’s earned that with his performances. My view is Dan is still in the unproven category- he played well in a few early league games when the pitches were slow and weather was terrible. He got an injury at a really bad time therefore I think it is too much of a risk to bring him in now. Don’t get me wrong on this i was hugely impressed by him in those early games but my point is injury robbed him of the chance to really nail down the position. G O’Sullivan got his chance and grasped it with both hands. I fear Dan will have to wait until next years league to launch another bid for the starting 15.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 19:39:19 GMT
No way Tom O’Sullivan should be dropped. He is without doubt one of the best corner backs in the country. Yes O’Mahony scored 3 points from play but he’s an excellent forward to be fair to him. I have no fear of Tom not delivering on the big day. In the league final he beat Ryan O’Donoghue who had a great league. He’ll be our match up for the likes of McCurry, McBrearty, Shane Walsh etc. in the All Ireland series. Graham is performing well and I think he’ll hold his position now over Dan O’Donoghue providing he keeps up his form. It’s his jersey to lose and he’s earned that with his performances. My view is Dan is still in the unproven category- he played well in a few early league games when the pitches were slow and weather was terrible. He got an injury at a really bad time therefore I think it is too much of a risk to bring him in now. Don’t get me wrong on this i was hugely impressed by him in those early games but my point is injury robbed him of the chance to really nail down the position. G O’Sullivan got his chance and grasped it with both hands. I fear Dan will have to wait until next years league to launch another bid for the starting 15. I largely agree with this on Dan, I think people have gotten a bit carried with his early performances in the league. Once fit, he will be competing for a place on the panel initially and lets see what happens from there.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 9, 2022 19:41:24 GMT
Not meant as a slight on Dan O'D (but rather ourselves), but he is getting better with every game he misses out on...
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Post by dc84 on May 9, 2022 20:10:34 GMT
If Dan is sufficiently recovered its Tom sull I would be replacing myself I thought he was the poorer of the 2 corner backs graham deserves another shot thought he got to grips with Sherlock well after half time No way Tom O’Sullivan should be dropped. He is without doubt one of the best corner backs in the country. Yes O’Mahony scored 3 points from play but he’s an excellent forward to be fair to him. I have no fear of Tom not delivering on the big day. In the league final he beat Ryan O’Donoghue who had a great league. He’ll be our match up for the likes of McCurry, McBrearty, Shane Walsh etc. in the All Ireland series. Graham is performing well and I think he’ll hold his position now over Dan O’Donoghue providing he keeps up his form. It’s his jersey to lose and he’s earned that with his performances. Merely suggested if there was a corner back to be replaced it would be Tom, obviously if we were playing a top team he starts but with all due respect to the above they are not that. I don't think Jack will do it but might be no harm we might need Dan yet this year and if he could get 40 50 mins in it would be great. Beaglaoich wasn't super on Sunday either so graham or Tom could easily move out. I'd probably start Moran as well just to get some more game time in him for spillane or Barry maybe. Again lads I'm talking about this game a munster final in killarney against tipp or limerick ! We have a decent squad so why not use it while we can starting lads who haven't played in a few months is no harm and not necessarily a slight on those missing out. I'm not talking wholesale changes but two or three. I'd go with 1.Ryan 2. Dan donoghue 3 foley 4.Tom sull 5 graham 6.Tadgh 7. Gavin w 8. Moran 9.Barry /diarmuid 10. O brien 11.seanie 12. Moynihan/Diarmuid 13. David 14. Paudie 15. Geaney Moynihan for spillane if fit with Diarmuid and Moran. Of course this is all dependant on who is showing in training which of course I haven't a clue. And to be honest I'd trust Jack and the lads inside to pick what way they see fit. Could depend on who we are playing limerick are a big hard running team so Adrian may very well start.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 9, 2022 20:54:45 GMT
I hope he starts the same 15 - they did score 23 points and win at a canter - you can’t compare Fitzgerald stadium to Pairc ui Rinn - I think Tony B will perform much better there. Dan D is out for a long time by all accounts and in fairness to Graeme O’Sullivan - he has grabbed his chance. It would be good to see Dara M get some game time but these regular injuries are a worry - for me the main Q centres on David Moran - starter or impact?
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Post by kerryboyo on May 10, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
Ryan O Donoghue If fit Foley G O Sullivan Begley Morely White Moran O Connor Moynihan SOS O Brien Clifford Clifford Geaney
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Post by john4 on May 10, 2022 12:40:07 GMT
I hope he starts the same 15 - they did score 23 points and win at a canter - you can’t compare Fitzgerald stadium to Pairc ui Rinn - I think Tony B will perform much better there. Dan D is out for a long time by all accounts and in fairness to Graeme O’Sullivan - he has grabbed his chance. It would be good to see Dara M get some game time but these regular injuries are a worry - for me the main Q centres on David Moran - starter or impact? I make out that the starting 15 on Saturday scored 12 points. The finishing 15 scored 11. Up to the 50 minute mark at which point Geaney, Moran and P Murphy were on the field, T Brosnan, A Spillane and Ó Beaglaoich were gone. The starting 15 in championship matches is less of a relevance than it once was. It really is a 20 man contribution.
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Post by peanuts on May 10, 2022 13:05:33 GMT
I hope he starts the same 15 - they did score 23 points and win at a canter - you can’t compare Fitzgerald stadium to Pairc ui Rinn - I think Tony B will perform much better there. Dan D is out for a long time by all accounts and in fairness to Graeme O’Sullivan - he has grabbed his chance. It would be good to see Dara M get some game time but these regular injuries are a worry - for me the main Q centres on David Moran - starter or impact? I make out that the starting 15 on Saturday scored 12 points. The finishing 15 scored 11. Up to the 50 minute mark at which point Geaney, Moran and P Murphy were on the field, T Brosnan, A Spillane and Ó Beaglaoich were gone. The starting 15 in championship matches is less of a relevance than it once was. It really is a 20 man contribution. That's a long winded way of saying that Kerry scored 11 points after the 50th minute. Hard to know how much of Kerrys increased productivity was down to Corks resistance faltering rather than the impact of the Kerry bench. I'd say the former was more impactful than the latter (as good as Kerry's bench were).
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Post by john4 on May 10, 2022 13:17:28 GMT
I make out that the starting 15 on Saturday scored 12 points. The finishing 15 scored 11. Up to the 50 minute mark at which point Geaney, Moran and P Murphy were on the field, T Brosnan, A Spillane and Ó Beaglaoich were gone. The starting 15 in championship matches is less of a relevance than it once was. It really is a 20 man contribution. That's a long winded way of saying that Kerry scored 11 points after the 50th minute. Hard to know how much of Kerrys increased productivity was down to Corks resistance faltering rather than the impact of the Kerry bench. I'd say the former was more impactful than the latter (as good as Kerry's bench were). I'll try to make my response as brief as possible 😉. The point I was making is if Kerry's 5 subs who came on, PG, PM, DM, MB and Jo'C started and TB, AS, Bo'B, S o'B and D o'C came into the match, would the result be different? Would we have scored 23 points? would we have scored more? The starting 15 is no longer a real relevance to me anymore. It's bigger than just 15.
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Post by peanuts on May 10, 2022 13:53:42 GMT
That's a long winded way of saying that Kerry scored 11 points after the 50th minute. Hard to know how much of Kerrys increased productivity was down to Corks resistance faltering rather than the impact of the Kerry bench. I'd say the former was more impactful than the latter (as good as Kerry's bench were). I'll try to make my response as brief as possible 😉. The point I was making is if Kerry's 5 subs who came on, PG, PM, DM, MB and Jo'C started and TB, AS, Bo'B, S o'B and D o'C came into the match, would the result be different? Would we have scored 23 points? would we have scored more? The starting 15 is no longer a real relevance to me anymore. It's bigger than just 15. Ok, wasn't clear to me what point you were trying to make. Result wouldn't have been different on Saturday but margin may have been different and result could well be different in a tighter game. I suppose the trick is having the best 15 out at each point in the game. Example from Saturday could be David Moran. He excelled when he came in but may not have had the same influence if he started.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 11, 2022 9:40:39 GMT
Darragh fairly calls it in today's Irish times - I suppose we are all dreading a long and uncertain winter economically, fuel or food, beer could go up 50% because of Ukraine wheat factor, etc. Then the GAA throws away it's August and September primetime when little else was on, so now we have a 6 month winter.
What made life bearable was the lead in times, it was as good as having matches every weekend, the anticipation as to what team would turn up in the semi/final - teams change dramatically once they scent the blood leads to Sam.
God be with the old days when we'd pip the Dubs in the AI final and we'd then be slagging 'em off at the Listowel Races the week after as they'd be taking time out to relax.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 11, 2022 19:40:38 GMT
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Post by haryegsnbaken on May 11, 2022 20:53:05 GMT
For me the jury is well and truly out. We won the LEAGUE. How many times have we seen outstanding performances in that competition and then fall short come championship. No one knows how far advanced teams were during the league, so how can we gauge? We beat Cork in Cork, and any day you come away from Cork with a win is a good day. But they’re a mid division 2 team. Steven O Brien still looking like a one leg forward, but one of our better players . Tom Sullivan was very lax a daisy the last day. We shipped some terrible scores against Tyrone last year , but we have tightened up so that gives me optimism. But as short price favourites for the AI? All teams including ourselves have questions to answer. We won’t know anything until the QF. As I say, the jury is out.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 12, 2022 19:19:37 GMT
Now that the Green Party sorted out The Dale Road, albeit in return for turning NK into a windfarm, the journey to Tralee won't be as hard for the Jason gang.
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Post by Mickmack on May 13, 2022 7:53:05 GMT
Darragh fairly calls it in today's Irish times - I suppose we are all dreading a long and uncertain winter economically, fuel or food, beer could go up 50% because of Ukraine wheat factor, etc. Then the GAA throws away it's August and September primetime when little else was on, so now we have a 6 month winter. The short inter county season means less money for ex players writing columns, on podcasts and appearing on the sunday game. They dont like it as it impacts them. I hear few complaints from the people that really matter: players. The players can play club football and hurling in good weather in August and Sept. Its a reasonable compromise i feel.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 13, 2022 12:36:15 GMT
Darragh fairly calls it in today's Irish times - I suppose we are all dreading a long and uncertain winter economically, fuel or food, beer could go up 50% because of Ukraine wheat factor, etc. Then the GAA throws away it's August and September primetime when little else was on, so now we have a 6 month winter. The short inter county season means less money for ex players writing columns, on podcasts and appearing on the sunday game. They dont like it as it impacts them. I hear few complaints from the people that really matter: players. The players can play club football and hurling in good weather in August and Sept. Its a reasonable compromise i feel. That Covid denied us of games and now self inflicting it, probably has me being greedy as a supporter and I'd be all for improvement and where one has to take risks and experiment. Clubs games involve the vast majority of players and while the intercounty ones are the pick, the former need a break and it will bring more of them through. Once an taobh eile is seen it is likely that further tweaks will get us to the best setup, and like you imply, players must always be at the top of the agenda. It is the one thing we can do to preserve the threatened amateur status of what is probably the worlds ultimate sport. We only have the players to thank and they are remembered when all else is forgotten.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on May 13, 2022 23:10:19 GMT
I hope this comment will have aged well in 2034! Until then there is no similarity but I do hope you are right!
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Post by The16thMan on May 13, 2022 23:52:50 GMT
I hope this comment will have aged well in 2034! Until then there is no similarity but I do hope you are right! I agree, I see no similarity between the 2 teams. That Dublin team had alot of experience in 2010 (Brogans, Cluxton, Cahill, Cullen) a few veterans from the noughties thrown in there. There was no expectation from that team as they had just been given two hammerings by Tyrone and Kerry in previous quarter finals and that year to Meath as well. This Kerry team have a lot expected of them and are still mostly very in experienced apart from maybe Geaney and SOB, most of this Kerry team are still young. Kerry have never taken a tanking like that Dublin team, our problem was that we were losing games that went down to the wire. That Dublin team in 2010 were a lot more defensive than Kerry are now and were very dependent on Bernard Brogan to score at the other end. Kerry have a lot more balance to their team than Dublin of 2010. It is a more settled team even though there's more youth in this Kerry team. Dublin of 2010 and 2011 were very disjointed for long parts and won that 2011 All Ireland against the run of play in my opinion. I don't think the same would be said of Kerry if we win Sam in July
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 14, 2022 9:37:45 GMT
The similarities I see are Dublin in 2010 were getting steadily better but had some shock results in their development. Losses to Meath in Leinster along the way comes to mind. They also focused strongly on pre season competions and on the league.
They slipped up in semi finals similarly to Kerry. [People above quoting experience in their team compared to ours well they had no All Ireland winners or had even reached a final. Kerry have 4 in our team.
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Post by dc84 on May 14, 2022 9:42:22 GMT
I hope this comment will have aged well in 2034! Until then there is no similarity but I do hope you are right! I agree, I see no similarity between the 2 teams. That Dublin team had alot of experience in 2010 (Brogans, Cluxton, Cahill, Cullen) a few veterans from the noughties thrown in there. There was no expectation from that team as they had just been given two hammerings by Tyrone and Kerry in previous quarter finals and that year to Meath as well. This Kerry team have a lot expected of them and are still mostly very in experienced apart from maybe Geaney and SOB, most of this Kerry team are still young. Kerry have never taken a tanking like that Dublin team, our problem was that we were losing games that went down to the wire. That Dublin team in 2010 were a lot more defensive than Kerry are now and were very dependent on Bernard Brogan to score at the other end. Kerry have a lot more balance to their team than Dublin of 2010. It is a more settled team even though there's more youth in this Kerry team. Dublin of 2010 and 2011 were very disjointed for long parts and won that 2011 All Ireland against the run of play in my opinion. I don't think the same would be said of Kerry if we win Sam in July Would agree there it was the injection of class from Mannion, Kilkenny and mcaffrey thst really drove them on in 13. Add o callaghan and fenton , howard and scully to an extent that drove them on again in 15. The well has run a bit drier since and the same standards aren't there plainly. I don't really see a big Correlation with what we have now tbh we have been fairly competitive all through the last decade and except for dublin 13 and mayo in 17 haven't lost by more than a score.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 14, 2022 12:18:13 GMT
For me the jury is well and truly out. We won the LEAGUE. How many times have we seen outstanding performances in that competition and then fall short come championship. No one knows how far advanced teams were during the league, so how can we gauge? We beat Cork in Cork, and any day you come away from Cork with a win is a good day. But they’re a mid division 2 team. Steven O Brien still looking like a one leg forward, but one of our better players . Tom Sullivan was very lax a daisy the last day. We shipped some terrible scores against Tyrone last year , but we have tightened up so that gives me optimism. But as short price favourites for the AI? All teams including ourselves have questions to answer. We won’t know anything until the QF. As I say, the jury is out. One man who got no game time during the league was Daragh Roache - Glenflesk - I watched him last night in the county league game and absolutely on fire - scored 3 goals and a rack of points - pity we didnt get a chance to see him at the higher level when there was a chance to ... he's an inside forward - and we have David, Tony, Killian Spillane and Geaney - these are our 4 inside men really ...
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Post by horsebox77 on May 14, 2022 16:40:27 GMT
I’m a huge fan of both Paul O’Shea and Donal O’Sullivan, Donal was outstanding for UL in their Sigerson Run.
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