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Post by tyroneperson on Jul 8, 2022 13:50:46 GMT
In relation to posts about Dublin players dragging down Mayo lads after Dean Rock's point in 2017 - is this one of the great myths in modern day GAA?
I wasn't at the match personally but the only lad who I see pulled to the floor was Lee Keegan, and that may have been a bit of retribution for the GPS throwing incident. Other than that, I can't see anything else particularly untowards. David Clarke's kickout infamously went straight over the sideline, but there are at least four Mayo lads to aim for who feasibly could've collected the ball (all four had space between them and their man). That's just going by the footage of the game on Youtube.
I wish to god Mayo had won that game, but I think Paul Kimmage or somebody like that suggested the entire Mayo team was dragged down and it's clearly nonsense. Stuff may have been going on off the ball out of shot but most of the Mayo defenders were on their feet the entire time, albeit being hassled a bit, which is what you would expect. Bit of pushing and shoving but nothing particularly heinous, and Dublin did unbelievably well to maintain possession in those closing minutes.
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Post by tyroneperson on Jul 8, 2022 15:38:45 GMT
In relation to posts about Dublin players dragging down Mayo lads after Dean Rock's point in 2017 - is this one of the great myths in modern day GAA? I wasn't at the match personally but the only lad who I see pulled to the floor was Lee Keegan, and that may have been a bit of retribution for the GPS throwing incident. Other than that, I can't see anything else particularly untowards. David Clarke's kickout infamously went straight over the sideline, but there are at least four Mayo lads to aim for who feasibly could've collected the ball (all four had space between them and their man). That's just going by the footage of the game on Youtube. I wish to god Mayo had won that game, but I think Paul Kimmage or somebody like that suggested the entire Mayo team was dragged down and it's clearly nonsense. Stuff may have been going on off the ball out of shot but most of the Mayo defenders were on their feet the entire time, albeit being hassled a bit, which is what you would expect. Bit of pushing and shoving but nothing particularly heinous, and Dublin did unbelievably well to maintain possession in those closing minutes. Hi Tyrone person. I was at the game and seated in the lower Cusack near where Clarke kickout went. At least 4 or 5 Mayo players were grappled to the ground just before Clarke kickout. I would nt say it was planned but when one player saw another doing it they all seemed to copy the act. I saw it all before my eyes From the first kick out that Clarke attempted (the one that was called back), I see eight Mayo players and the only one on the deck is Keegan (and it seems like Ciaran Kilkenny went straight for him after the GPS incident). In the second kick-out, I see five Mayo players and not only were they all on their feet but they were all available to take the kick-out. The kick-out was shocking, he completely scuffed it, and it was nothing to do with Dublin cynicism. It’s just hard not to think that with the passing of the time the whole thing has become exaggerated a bit. It’s cited as this all-time low but I just don’t buy it. In fairness Cormac Costello was booked at the time - a player I'd have no time for - so I'd say he didn't get it for nothing. I appreciate I'm disagreeing with someone who was at the match, I just don't think it's as bad or as shocking as has been portrayed down the years. Definitely didn't come across as pre-planned cynicism in my view and I couldn't care less about the Dubs. I don't know if people remember Clarke's kick-out, it's on Youtube anyway, but it really was brutal, it looked like he completely mis-hit it, there were Mayo defenders available and alternatively he could've belted it down the middle.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 8, 2022 17:45:18 GMT
Paddy Andrew’s admitted as much on the podcast that he does- 7/8 Dublin players dragged players down and it was coordinated as they knew the ref would panic and do little about it
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Post by tyroneperson on Jul 8, 2022 18:13:38 GMT
Paddy Andrew’s admitted as much on the podcast that he does- 7/8 Dublin players dragged players down and it was coordinated as they knew the ref would panic and do little about it Just don't really see it in the Youtube coverage and there are plenty of Mayo players on screen so I'll have to leave it at that, must have happened off camera
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 8, 2022 18:32:31 GMT
Paddy Andrew’s admitted as much on the podcast that he does- 7/8 Dublin players dragged players down and it was coordinated as they knew the ref would panic and do little about it If it was Co ordinated it was done split second before kickout. I doubt it was planned pre game but it did happen The chances of Dublin getting a last minute free to win the match from Joe were high so it would have been poor planning not to have war gamed the kickout.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 8, 2022 18:38:42 GMT
Paddy Andrew’s admitted as much on the podcast that he does- 7/8 Dublin players dragged players down and it was coordinated as they knew the ref would panic and do little about it If it was Co ordinated it was done split second before kickout. I doubt it was planned pre game but it did happen Dublin used to being extra physios to games in case they went to a replay so I’d imagine that they had this planned
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Post by exiled on Jul 8, 2022 21:57:36 GMT
Hi Tyrone person. I was at the game and seated in the lower Cusack near where Clarke kickout went. At least 4 or 5 Mayo players were grappled to the ground just before Clarke kickout. I would nt say it was planned but when one player saw another doing it they all seemed to copy the act. I saw it all before my eyes From the first kick out that Clarke attempted (the one that was called back), I see eight Mayo players and the only one on the deck is Keegan (and it seems like Ciaran Kilkenny went straight for him after the GPS incident). In the second kick-out, I see five Mayo players and not only were they all on their feet but they were all available to take the kick-out. The kick-out was shocking, he completely scuffed it, and it was nothing to do with Dublin cynicism. It’s just hard not to think that with the passing of the time the whole thing has become exaggerated a bit. It’s cited as this all-time low but I just don’t buy it. In fairness Cormac Costello was booked at the time - a player I'd have no time for - so I'd say he didn't get it for nothing. I appreciate I'm disagreeing with someone who was at the match, I just don't think it's as bad or as shocking as has been portrayed down the years. Definitely didn't come across as pre-planned cynicism in my view and I couldn't care less about the Dubs. I don't know if people remember Clarke's kick-out, it's on Youtube anyway, but it really was brutal, it looked like he completely mis-hit it, there were Mayo defenders available and alternatively he could've belted it down the middle. Not surprising that the only one that doesn't think that it was disgraceful a Tyrone man . I rest my case.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 9, 2022 1:11:20 GMT
From the first kick out that Clarke attempted (the one that was called back), I see eight Mayo players and the only one on the deck is Keegan (and it seems like Ciaran Kilkenny went straight for him after the GPS incident). In the second kick-out, I see five Mayo players and not only were they all on their feet but they were all available to take the kick-out. The kick-out was shocking, he completely scuffed it, and it was nothing to do with Dublin cynicism. It’s just hard not to think that with the passing of the time the whole thing has become exaggerated a bit. It’s cited as this all-time low but I just don’t buy it. In fairness Cormac Costello was booked at the time - a player I'd have no time for - so I'd say he didn't get it for nothing. I appreciate I'm disagreeing with someone who was at the match, I just don't think it's as bad or as shocking as has been portrayed down the years. Definitely didn't come across as pre-planned cynicism in my view and I couldn't care less about the Dubs. I don't know if people remember Clarke's kick-out, it's on Youtube anyway, but it really was brutal, it looked like he completely mis-hit it, there were Mayo defenders available and alternatively he could've belted it down the middle. Not surprising that the only one that doesn't think that it was disgraceful a Tyrone man . I rest my case. I believe this is below the belt. I think there is scope here for a joke (I can't quite fashion it), but IIRC TyroneP has always been a decent sort and it looks to me they are only giving their opinion based on a recording. They aren't quite saying that "everyone was dragged down, so what?"... mostly they have a disagreement about the facts.
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Post by tyroneperson on Jul 9, 2022 6:48:36 GMT
Not surprising that the only one that doesn't think that it was disgraceful a Tyrone man . I rest my case. I believe this is below the belt. I think there is scope here for a joke (I can't quite fashion it), but IIRC TyroneP has always been a decent sort and it looks to me they are only giving their opinion based on a recording. They aren't quite saying that "everyone was dragged down, so what?"... mostly they have a disagreement about the facts. Thanks very much - yeah just my genuinely held opinion going on the recording of the game that it’s been exaggerated.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2022 7:56:54 GMT
I believe this is below the belt. I think there is scope here for a joke (I can't quite fashion it), but IIRC TyroneP has always been a decent sort and it looks to me they are only giving their opinion based on a recording. They aren't quite saying that "everyone was dragged down, so what?"... mostly they have a disagreement about the facts. Thanks very much - yeah just my genuinely held opinion going on the recording of the game that it’s been exaggerated. Tyroneperson...you are well regarded on here so ignore that other comment.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2022 15:43:41 GMT
Going by the joy on the Westmeath players, the Tailteann Cup is worth playing for!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 9, 2022 15:46:43 GMT
Going by the joy on the Westmeath players, the Tailteann Cup is worth playing for! People love winning stuff! It’s a surprise that the GAA haven’t done this sooner but great that it’s going now.
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 9, 2022 15:50:29 GMT
Great final and a great goal to win it in the end. I think everyone wants this Tailteann Cup to work.
Can improvements be made? Definitely, especially media wise promotion, more games broadcast etc.
Alas Shame on RTE there, didn't show the trophy presentation or the captains speech. They must need that as revenue.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2022 16:03:33 GMT
They probably need a third competition for Div 4 teams as Pat Spilane said. They have 5 in hurling by comparison.
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 9, 2022 16:09:17 GMT
They probably need a third competition for Div 4 teams as Pat Spilane said. They have 5 in hurling by comparison. I agree with that, a good few div. 4 teams, Waterford off the top of my head, had a typical championship season, lost only provincial game, lost only AI competition game; 2 games and done, no development. However, we need to get this second tier well established first and let it go to the group stage format from next year before making tier 3 a serious consideration.
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Post by kot on Jul 9, 2022 16:50:15 GMT
This is bringing the game into disrepute
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 9, 2022 16:59:45 GMT
This is bringing the game into disrepute Garbage. I am tempted to turn it off
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Post by thehermit on Jul 9, 2022 17:05:12 GMT
Let Westmeath and Cavan come back on and play again this is appalling tripe...
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 9, 2022 17:05:44 GMT
Pat is going to close out his Sunday Game career with a mother of all comments on this. '96 '03 and '11 will seem irrelevant 🤣🤣
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 9, 2022 17:10:10 GMT
Rory Gallagher should be banned from coaching
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Post by thehermit on Jul 9, 2022 17:11:12 GMT
Jesus Hawk Eye has ruled a totally legitimate point for Galway as wide. Will they not have to give it to Galway and make it a level game at the start of the second half?
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Post by kot on Jul 9, 2022 17:11:56 GMT
Jesus Hawk Eye has ruled a totally legitimate point for Galway as wide. Will they not have to give it to Galway and make it a level game at the start of the second half? Same end as Killians last time and i can tell you that was a definite point!
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 9, 2022 17:14:42 GMT
Is it me or has hawk eye been dodgy all year, I feel like I've seen it malfunction a couple of times this year already. It must be starting to show it's age.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2022 17:15:34 GMT
No wonder Darragh loves Comer!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2022 17:16:43 GMT
Hawkeyes credibility is on the line now.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 9, 2022 17:22:52 GMT
Massive issue now with Hawk Eye. This has potential to be a disaster not just for today but tomorrow also…and in past games over the years . Unbelievable stuff.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2022 17:24:52 GMT
Massive issue now with Hawk Eye. This has potential to be a disaster not just for today but tomorrow also…and in past games over the years . Unbelievable stuff. It intervened a lot between Galway and Limerick last Sunday if i recall correctly.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 9, 2022 17:28:33 GMT
Is it me or has hawk eye been dodgy all year, I feel like I've seen it malfunction a couple of times this year already. It must be starting to show it's age. Its not only you. I have no faith in hawkeye and it's only a cartoon version we see. What's to stop someone messing with the true result. Its a joke. It should be a video ref and cheaper too. The gaa are conmen. Killian Spillane was robbed too. I thought that Spillane point definitely went over, well it did from my vantage point. Thankfully the game wasn’t close
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Post by exiled on Jul 9, 2022 18:18:03 GMT
Who owns Hawk Eye. I'm not a believer in conspiracy theories but after a few pints watching this game I'm becoming one. Also I thought Kelly from the mark was point.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2022 18:18:17 GMT
Galway were cat in 2021 and Mayo beat them easily in Croke Park in the connacht Final.
The arrival if Cian oNeill is probably the reason they are in the 2022 All Ireland final.
Darragh oSe referenced the fight in Damien Comer v Armagh and he was brilliant when the game was going against them.
They clearly figured that goals were key to Derry and they did their homework to prevent that.
I for one found the tactical side of it interesting and particularly the way Galway went about getting their match ups right. Semi finals are not for open naive football.
Highlight of the day for me was Joanne Cantwells riposte to Pat Spillane when he was banging on about what a great game the curtain raiser was by comparison with all the scoring chances... she said something like "thats why they are playing in the Tailltain Cup". Lee Keegan was beside him and he knows that wide open attacking will get you so far...the defensive plan is key with the quick transition into attack vital now.
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