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Post by kerrysouth on Apr 18, 2022 10:00:54 GMT
The Munster council really need to get firm on this issue and publicly state the consequences of a cork no show in Killarney otherwise this will drag on to the week of the game .if the Munster council capitulate to cork I think it will have far reaching consequences for the association
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 18, 2022 12:27:58 GMT
The Munster council really need to get firm on this issue Not easy when they appointed Pu Rinn as the venue themselves
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 14:40:05 GMT
Kerry would be far better off moving to say Connacht for the provincial football championship like for instance the way Galway hurlers moved to Leinster. Kerry are a football county operating in a hurling province. Spose some people would baulk at that though. Tradition and all that. I couldn’t care less about tradition but based on league form, Munster have four teams in the top 16 and if they were in another province would be spoken about with more respect.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2022 10:50:26 GMT
UE, 19 APR, 2022 - 07:00 John fogarty John Fogarty
“Put me down for what I said last year” was the famous refrain uttered by Kerry legend Ger Power to the late Gaelic games correspondent Peadar O’Brien ahead of an All-Ireland press night during their golden years. We can’t shake the feeling the Munster Council are looking for Kerry to do the same now as the stand-off regarding the venue for their provincial SFC semi-final clash with Cork intensifies. Most people know an intervention from Kerry would likely help resolve the issue as it did this week seven months ago when they indicated they were willing to face Tyrone in their All-Ireland semi-final two weeks later than scheduled. “ We find ourselves in a very difficult situation not of our making,” wrote then Kerry chairman and current Munster vice-chair Tim Murphy in a statement.
He continued: “The confusion and uncertainty surrounding our semi-final meeting with Tyrone has undoubtedly hindered our planning and preparation... “Notwithstanding this and having considered every possible aspect of the situation, our over-arching wish is to ensure that the All-Ireland semi-final against Tyrone is played at the earliest possible opportunity.”
Swap the when for the where and it may as well be August 2021 all over again as Kerry mull over the prospect of a walkover. Cork may not be Tyrone and the stakes aren’t as high as an All-Ireland semi-final yet the prospect of going eight weeks without a competitive game, the time between Division 1 and Munster finals, would hardly be ideal.
Combined with a Kerry blessing, if the remedial work currently being done in Páirc Uí Rinn was enough to increase the capacity over the 11,000 figure Cork are aiming for to a number the Munster Council could on reflection find acceptable, the game could be refixed for the Ballintemple venue.
Failing that, Plan B is Kerry to give up Fitzgerald Stadium for a neutral venue and hope the Cork management and players can be persuaded to be agreeable. Munster would take a financial hit were it to be staged in Limerick or Thurles but having the game for outside the two counties had been a suggestion put forward by the Cork set-up before they withdrew it when Munster announced Fitzgerald Stadium would host the game.
The Cork group had also proposed the rescheduling of the game to the following weekend in the hope Páirc Uí Chaoimh might be ready. It won’t — the senior hurlers’ game against Clare, due to take there on Saturday, May 15, has been moved to Thurles as a result and has also been brought forward 14 days. Sky Sports, who are due to live broadcast the Cork-Kerry game, are also scheduled to show the Dublin-Kilkenny Leinster SHC round game that Saturday.
Eighteen days out, it’s safe to say that there is no chance of the game being held in Killarney, as much as it is stated on the Munster and GAA websites. The counties’ home-away arrangement mentions only Páírc Uí Chaoimh and Fitzgerald Stadium as venues but up to last month and the capacity difficulties coming to light Páirc Uí Rinn had been acceptable. “None of my business” was how Jack O’Connor described the stand-off after the Division 1 final. Unfortunately for the Kerry manager, the matter is jumping up the items on his agenda.
There is a natural scepticism in the county about being accommodating as they were last year when their act of kindness bit them in the backside. For upholding the integrity of the championship, they got the proverbial for thanks save for Kerry getting byes in the Munster club football championships. Now, for all the criticism of them that they get it too easy in the province-based All-Ireland SFC, there may be an onus on them to again do the honorable thing for the sake of the competition.
Yet giving Tyrone the extra week was the pragmatic thing to do. To face into an All-Ireland final against a Mayo team steeled by a first SFC win over Dublin in 10 seasons when they themselves wouldn’t have played for almost five weeks would have been perilous.
O’Connor understands the importance of this game for Kerry wherever it is played. Kerry have often been undercooked heading into an All-Ireland series but one Munster game would leave them raw. As he said after his team dismissed Mayo 16 days ago, he might not believe in piseógs and the need to preface All-Ireland crowns with Division 1 titles as he did in 2004, ’06 and ’09, but facing Cork, losing to them twice, was a prominent element in all of those three seasons. What’s more, 1997 was the first time since 1941 that Kerry claimed the Sam Maguire Cup without beating Cork.
“There’s no point us going public with what we think because we know it won’t matter in the end anyway,” O’Connor remarked earlier this month. But once more Kerry's view could be the difference between a game and none at all.
Skin in the game colours opinion
Family ties between pundits and players were notable this past weekend as Peter Canavan and Pat Spillane called games in Enniskillen and New York involving their sons Darragh and Pat junior respectively. Nothing new there, Martin McHugh would have worked on games for RTÉ and BBC involving his sons Mark and Ryan. Ken Hogan has often analysed for Tipp FM when Brian has minded the Tipperary nets. All four men provide great insights into the game but it was noticeable on opening championship weekend how county allegiances could be claimed to colour opinion of pundits. Exhibit A, Canavan’s take on Conor McKenna’s sending off: “ Did he do more than the other Fermanagh players that were on top of Conn Kilpatrick? For me, I don't think so. I find it hard to believe again. There was a melee up in Armagh, and that melee had four red cards to Tyrone, one to Armagh. Another minor scuffle here, and you have one red card for Tyrone.” Exhibits B and C, Derek McGrath’s take on Mikey Kiely’s pull that injured Seamus Kennedy and a suspected throw-ball by Patrick Curran in the build-up to Kiely's goal. “Being completely unbiased, for me Seamus Kennedy appears out of nowhere to block him. Mikey Kiely is making a completely valiant and sincere attempt to pull on the ball. 100% for me, there was separation (between Curran’s hand and ball) albeit a small separation and that’s been my consistent point on this.” Exhibit D, Liam Sheedy on the aforementioned Curran incident: “Is it separation, isn’t it separation? I didn’t see it (separation). Certainly, my first instinct is it was a throw.” The gulf between Cork and Limerick on Sunday meant there weren’t similar bones of contention for Dónal Óg Cusack and Shane Dowling, although Ollie Canning on Saturday was within his rights to take issue with the overturning of Conor Cooney’s late free for time-wasting. When there’s skin in the game, partisanship must be expected.
Split season will need refining
Well, remorse and revisionism about the split season certainly makes a change from the annual early championship bellyaches about mismatches and the drudgery of the provincial football ties. They will come no doubt but for now there is concern that the inter-county championship window has become little more than a pane now that it will be over and done in 100 days for the Sam Maguire Cup and 93 for the Liam MacCarthy Cup. Yes, the championship is condensed. The gravity of Conor Whelan’s hamstring injury for Galway illustrates just how tight the schedule is for the hurling championship. However, when there are four weeks between the provincial finals and All-Ireland semi-finals, there is clearly room for improvement and an extra break weekend in the provincial stages would be welcome. On the Irish Examiner hurling roadshow last week, Liam Sheedy made the valid point that Tipperary could go up to 13 weeks without championship hurling of any form this summer should they be knocked out of Munster on May 22.
In 2018, there were nine weeks between the county bowing out to Clare in June and the senior club championship in August, only two rounds of it had already been played in April. The split season isn’t going anywhere but that’s not to say the fixtures planners’ golden rule to keep as many teams involved in the championship for as long as possible shouldn’t be heeded.
Email: john.fogarty@examiner.ie
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Post by john4 on Apr 19, 2022 11:32:56 GMT
John Fogarty is correct. The longer this goes on, the more eyes that'll start looking in our direction!!
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2022 11:42:18 GMT
Its not exactly like the Tyrone covid scenario either.
Its a Division 2 team in Cork.
There is a backdoor route back in should Cork pull off a big surprise and two qualifier matches against good opposition would battle harden Kerry.
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Post by KY50 on Apr 19, 2022 12:17:40 GMT
John Fogarty is correct. The longer this goes on, the more eyes that'll start looking in our direction!! Question - If Kerry agree to PUR then next year is Killarney, if Kerry give up Fitzgerald Stadium and agree to a neutral venue then threnext two years will be PUC ?
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Post by KY50 on Apr 19, 2022 12:24:07 GMT
John Fogarty is correct. The longer this goes on, the more eyes that'll start looking in our direction!! Question - If Kerry agree to PUR then next year is Killarney, if Kerry give up Fitzgerald Stadium and agree to a neutral venue then threnext two years will be PUC ? Re attendance for Munster semi final, not final in this case then expectation’s my ght be PUR probably 9 to 11k Neutral venue lucky to het 5 to 7k Killarney probably around 20k Finally probably best Kerry stay out of this
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Post by thepromisedland on Apr 19, 2022 15:46:13 GMT
Question - If Kerry agree to PUR then next year is Killarney, if Kerry give up Fitzgerald Stadium and agree to a neutral venue then threnext two years will be PUC ? Re attendance for Munster semi final, not final in this case then expectation’s my ght be PUR probably 9 to 11k Neutral venue lucky to het 5 to 7k Killarney probably around 20k Finally probably best Kerry stay out of this Exactly KY50, I fully agree, we should stay out of this, this is a Munster Council v Cork situation. Doesn't matter where we play. See how we got our fingers badly burnt last year, look where it got us last year, an All-Ireland left behind us, all because we accommodated a county for 'covid', eventhough the dogs on the street up in Omagh will tell you that it was for their injuries to clear up, an excuse used by clubs up and down the country afterwards as it set a precedent. While our decision last year morally was a really good one, we came out of it well optics wise, our means to an end were not realised sadly. Jack is right, let them sort it out themselves, as it's over the availability / suitability of a Cork venue, their jurisdiction, not ours, eventhough we are a third party in all of this, being the opposing team in fulfilling this fixture. That's the way I see this remit anyway. It's black and white.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 19, 2022 15:56:03 GMT
Says a lot that there are 9 pages on this problem cork and munster council and not even a thread setup for the match!
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2022 16:13:30 GMT
Does anyone think that one game between now and the QF on 26.6.2022 is a good idea.
If i were Jack i would be pushing for a statement by KCC saying we happy to play in Pairc Ui Rinn.
I dont know why the Tyrone covid comparison in being made. This is not knock out.
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Post by thepromisedland on Apr 19, 2022 16:55:26 GMT
Does anyone think that one game between now and the QF on 26.6.2022 is a good idea. If i were Jack i would be pushing for a statement by KCC saying we happy to play in Pairc Ui Rinn. I dont know why the Tyrone covid comparison in being made. This is not knock out. The Tyrone 'covid' comparison was made purely with regard to context and principle of fair play in accommodation, are we the new UN peace brokers? expected to be the fall guy, when GAA administration cannot sort out their own crap, but nobody doing us any favours then, evidently not. Everybody I've spoken to on this issue, agrees that we need to stay out of this, but you are spot on, Mickmack, let Jack or our County Board Chairman seek clarification, what is happening, we are only two and half weeks out from the game, it's more than just football here at stake, families making plans, hotels, bars, businesses. It's unfair to all. Like I said, I don't care where the game is played, I feel we do need the game.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 19, 2022 17:49:25 GMT
Does anyone think that one game between now and the QF on 26.6.2022 is a good idea. If i were Jack i would be pushing for a statement by KCC saying we happy to play in Pairc Ui Rinn. I dont know why the Tyrone covid comparison in being made. This is not knock out. The Tyrone 'covid' comparison was made purely with regard to context and principle of fair play in accommodation, are we the new UN peace brokers? expected to be the fall guy, when GAA administration cannot sort out their own crap, but nobody doing us any favours then, evidently not. Everybody I've spoken to on this issue, agrees that we need to stay out of this, but you are spot on, Mickmack, let Jack or our County Board Chairman seek clarification, what is happening, we are only two and half weeks out from the game, it's more than just football here at stake, families making plans, hotels, bars, businesses. It's unfair to all. Like I said, I don't care where the game is played, I feel we do need the game. To me it's if we get involved its a no win if like any sensible person we said it should be in killarney then we are trying to pull a "cavan" by robbing cork of home venue. If we say PUR then it's like a backward step ie like people said last year Tyrone called croke park (and Kerry's to a very small degrees) bluff and croke park and us blinked and Tyrone got there way.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 19, 2022 20:09:00 GMT
The Kerry county board should request half the Ed Sheeran money as a prerequisite to playing in PUR
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 19, 2022 20:17:46 GMT
From the articles published, PUR was given as the venue provided it could hold 15k. From a health and safety perspective the stadium can hold 9k, but works could bring it up to 11k. Does anyone know if Cork are actually still trying to do the remedial work for PUR or given up the ghost on it? If they have stopped, when did they?
It is fairly obvious that Kerry and Cork agreed to Killarney hosting and Cork would host the following two. It is up to Cork GAA to put manners on Cork Football, not Kerry to decide on the venue. Why should Kerry dig Cork out of their own mess?
Whose to say that we get counties demanding home games v Kerry next year in the league and championship.
Also anyone know when the GAA's report into Tyrone GAA's covid situation is coming out? Answers on a postcard 😂
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Post by john4 on Apr 19, 2022 22:13:22 GMT
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 19, 2022 22:23:22 GMT
I'm surprised the Ulster Council didn't ask for Kerry's counsel on deciding home venue on Antrim v Cavan. Play it in PUR and cut Cork's funding by the economic cost of hosting it in PUR. The other 5 counties shouldn't be punished by Cork's greed. I imagine Kerry will demand Killarney next if it goes neutral this year.
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Post by southward on Apr 19, 2022 23:00:01 GMT
If it does end up being played at a neutral venue, then it absolutely has to be Killarney next year. Our Co Board would be crazy to accept anything else. Why should Kerry lose out on a home game? - this mess has nothing to do with us.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 20, 2022 0:13:58 GMT
Be great if it could be settled this week once and for all. I can't see Kerry fighting any decision that is made. Personally I think Killarney is suited more but I'm not too worried about the venue. It's time we started turning our heads to the actual game and start building up to it rather than this silly venue dispute.
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Post by kerrysouth on Apr 20, 2022 7:59:09 GMT
As predicted the venue debate is now getting really messy and as predicted the narrative has changed and the focus is now shifting to Kerry seeking a goodwill gesture to offer to play the game in PUR..while personally I don’t care where the game is played even though it would be great if it was played down here in south Kerry I strongly feel that if the Munster council don’t stand their ground on the issue it will have far reaching consequences .watch the pressure being exerted on Kerry in the next week or so but I think the county board has done really well to stay out of the debate to now …
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Post by thehermit on Apr 20, 2022 9:49:59 GMT
We're just over two weeks away can this please just get sorted at this stage!!
Is there any other sport in the world were this guff has to be dealt with!! Such a lack of leadership here, as I said in an earlier post why can't Croke Park just lay this on the line for every county thinking of doing this in future. Matches have to be played where they are played and if you don't fulfill them see you next year.
Like everything in Ireland, a bit of proper enforcement of the rules would sort out a lot of this crap.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 20, 2022 9:59:20 GMT
I really don't understand the sense of entitlement by the Cork players and management - on the home and away agreement that has been in play as long as I can remember, it is Corks year to host the game. They have a simple choice - nominate a venue that is acceptable to Munster Council or come to an agreement with Kerry to play in Killarney and get a game back in the future.
The venue they are nominating is not acceptable to Munster Council (what has gone on here is not clear but the suggestion is capacity will not be at an acceptable level) and PUC is not available. The ball is firmly in Cork's court and they need to tell everybody where the game is to take place.
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Post by KY50 on Apr 20, 2022 10:09:07 GMT
As predicted the venue debate is now getting really messy and as predicted the narrative has changed and the focus is now shifting to Kerry seeking a goodwill gesture to offer to play the game in PUR..while personally I don’t care where the game is played even though it would be great if it was played down here in south Kerry I strongly feel that if the Munster council don’t stand their ground on the issue it will have far reaching consequences .watch the pressure being exerted on Kerry in the next week or so but I think the county board has done really well to stay out of the debate to now … Kerrysouth, agree with what you are saying to an extent. Overall nothing to do with us, not our problem
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Post by john4 on Apr 20, 2022 10:25:46 GMT
As predicted the venue debate is now getting really messy and as predicted the narrative has changed and the focus is now shifting to Kerry seeking a goodwill gesture to offer to play the game in PUR..while personally I don’t care where the game is played even though it would be great if it was played down here in south Kerry I strongly feel that if the Munster council don’t stand their ground on the issue it will have far reaching consequences .watch the pressure being exerted on Kerry in the next week or so but I think the county board has done really well to stay out of the debate to now … Kerrysouth, agree with what you are saying to an extent. Overall nothing to do with us, not our problem True, but inadvertently, we probably will be asked to be agreeable with a solution.
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Post by KY50 on Apr 20, 2022 10:38:31 GMT
Kerrysouth, agree with what you are saying to an extent. Overall nothing to do with us, not our problem True, but inadvertently, we probably will be asked to be agreeable with a solution. Probably right, but let’s be sure not to lose any home advantage in the coming due to this fiasco which is nothing to do with us.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 20, 2022 13:21:12 GMT
Ah Christ, this is so unprofessional. Munster Council will step back hoping Kerry will step up.
Grow a pair Munster Council and use the best weapon possible. Game fixed, play or be expelled from the C'ship for 2022 and league points deducted for the 2023 season.
If they really had the balls, sanction the hurlers as well, that would well and truly have the cork chiefs shifting in their seats.
Regardless of the stand off, Kerry should keep clear, not their fight to resolve.
When a true rebel and cork gaa die-hard like Billy Moran says.. play in Killarney and owe two back, it makes you wonder at the reasoning and stance by the Cork crew.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 20, 2022 14:18:34 GMT
The problem is the Cork players have backed themselves into a corner and don't want to lose face.
How this was allowed happen you'd have to question who's running the show.
Players play and managers manage and that's it.
Players shouldn't be calling the shots on where they play.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 20, 2022 14:24:16 GMT
I really don't understand the sense of entitlement by the Cork players and management You ask a good question. My guess is that they see themselves being treated as second class citizens compared to the Cork hurlers. The Cork hurlers lot improved due to Ed Sheerin concerts. They are not now playing 3 weeks in a row as was originally planned. Clare are being brought to Thurles instead of Cork. Cork hurlers see Thurles as their second home. This is my guess anyway.
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Post by pillar on Apr 20, 2022 16:13:44 GMT
Ah Christ, this is so unprofessional. Munster Council will step back hoping Kerry will step up. Grow a pair Munster Council and use the best weapon possible. Game fixed, play or be expelled from the C'ship for 2022 and league points deducted for the 2023 season. If they really had the balls, sanction the hurlers as well, that would well and truly have the cork chiefs shifting in their seats. Regardless of the stand off, Kerry should keep clear, not their fight to resolve. When a true rebel and cork gaa die-hard like Billy Moran says.. play in Killarney and owe two back, it makes you wonder at the reasoning and stance by the Cork crew. Why have Cork not nominated Pairc Ui Rinn as their home venue in the absence of P Ui Chaoimh for the hurling games??
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Post by veteran on Apr 20, 2022 16:51:16 GMT
Does anybody know if tonight’s Connaught u20 final between Sligo and Mayo is going ahead. Sligo were refusing to play unless they got a home venue under some home and away arrangement.
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