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Post by The16thMan on Mar 29, 2022 22:27:38 GMT
It was announced over the weekend that the Munster Council are considering a last minute change for our semi final to take place in Killarney rather than Páirc Uí Rinn. However, Cork are said to be willing to fight this as much they can and are willing to do whatever they can to ensure the game isn't played in Killarney. They are said to be willing to go to a neutral venue rather than Killarney or even just not show up if the game is fixed for Killarney: The article on the Irish Examiner website by Michael Moynihan seems to shed a bit of light on what the current situation is: www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40839890.htmlMy opinion would be that Cork conceded home venue when they sacrificed PUC for Ed Sheeran concerts. I would rather this game played in Thurles or Limerick than Pairc Ui Rinn simply because the number of seats in PUR is only around 4,000 with the rest terracing. It would be a better atmosphere in a packed ground like Páirc Uí Rinn but I'm guessing there will be more than absolute max capacity of 14,000 wanting to go to this game judging by the league attendances so far this year. It will also be Keith Rickens first Championship game so there will probably so curious, but hopeful, Cork supporters wanting to attend also. One things for sure, we're in for an interesting few days until this is all sorted. Whichever venue is picked, it will bring controversy.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 29, 2022 22:34:27 GMT
I think it's embarrassing that Cork GAA knowing when the Munster Championship games for both codes throw on concerts making a stadium steeped in state grants not used for purpose. We still remember our own arrogance in 2009 but at least we thought we'd be avoiding the qualifiers when it was agreed.
Cork should be allowed to keep home advantage but the State and the GAA should demand money back for the grant. Are Cork going to continue this fine tradition for a number of years where the stadium isn't used for purpose during the Munster Championship?
If I was Cork I'd give Kerry home advantage this year as the fixture next year could be a Munster Final. Very short sighted.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 30, 2022 6:49:30 GMT
The Cork management team have written to the Cork County Board stipulating their preference for RÚR and objection to forfeiting home advantage.
Basically Ricken and Co are serious concerned of the prospect of an open spaces Fitz's Stadium.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 30, 2022 7:15:48 GMT
Cork saying that “they will not show up” if game gets moved is a headline/opening paragraph writers dream
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Post by decondd2 on Mar 30, 2022 7:22:00 GMT
The Cork management team have written to the Cork County Board stipulating their preference for RÚR and objection to forfeiting home advantage. Basically Ricken and Co are serious concerned of the prospect of an open spaces Fitz's Stadium. Páirc Uí Rinn's pitch dimensions are the exact same as Páirc Uí Chaoimh's so it's not really about wide open spaces. The closeness of the stands, how heavy the pitch can get after any rain and the difficulty opposition forwards find kicking into the end with the trees is the advantage they are looking for with Páirc Uí Rinn. An issue for the Munster Council is that Kerry have approx 2,000+ Season Ticket holders who are guaranteed stand access. Not sure on the Cork numbers between their season ticket holders and their Páirc Uí Chaoimh long term ticket holders. Then you consider the families of players and various dignitaries. I don't think the stand can hold nearly enough of those people. Then you can only sell terrace tickets which will put some people right off. I don't think any county should have to give up home advantage (yes, even if they have scheduled an Ed Sheran concert instead). However swapping the home/away arrangements for a year doesn't hurt anyone really. Kerry accommodated Cork by holding all the games in Killarney during the Páirc Uí Chaoimh works and then playing in Cork 3 years in a row after instead of forcing Cork to play those games in a neutral ground. A small bit of cop on and this is sorted easily.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2022 10:23:10 GMT
It appears this morning that the Cork County Board have backed their management and have agreed to play it in PUR.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 10:39:23 GMT
I don't see the big deal really, as far as I'm concerned it's Corks problem let them sort it out and let's us know where they want us to bate them on the 7th of May.
Some supporters will miss out if its played in PUR but sure the game will be shown on RTÉ anyway.
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Post by veteran on Mar 30, 2022 11:42:27 GMT
It is not so long ago that Cork used to tell us they preferred playing Kerry in Killarney than in Cork !
The Cork/Clare hurling match has been switched from Cork to Thurles. When that was disclosed some time ago we were told it was done with the agreement of both county boards. Therefore, it is reasonable to ask if our county board agreed to the Pairc Ui Rinn switch?
Reading Michael Moynihan’s article one is left with the impression that it is a matter for Cork alone, nothing to do with Kerry or the Munster Council! Presumably , the Munster Council has the final say in these matters. The problem is of Cork’s making and the fact their county board may have done a solo run in promising their footballers the Pairc Ui Rinn venue is neither here nor there. Killarney is the obvious choice on an IOU basis which historically we honour. Failing that , how about the wide, open spaces of Thurles! Sure we all love wide, open spaces !
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Post by kerryboyo on Mar 30, 2022 12:01:34 GMT
I see online the senior munster final and the minor munster final are two separate weekends the tradition of double headers must be gone so. Bit of a pity no disrespect to our minors if there Munster final if they make it is in thurles for example and the seniors aren’t playing after there’s more likely to be a small crowd for them which is a bit unfair in my eyes
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Post by john4 on Mar 30, 2022 12:06:17 GMT
My understanding is that Munster Gaa "own" the Munster Football Championship and they decide where matches will be played.
The years old tradition of Kerry and Cork trading the right to play at home is just that, a tradition. It's not written down anywhere as gospel.
To me, I don't care where it's on. But as someone who has been critical of the standard of, particularly the stand, in Fitzgerald stadium. If there's the possibility of the Kerry senior football team not being able to fulfill a fixture in FS because of a fundraising concert, then I'd quite happily sit on 3x2's in Killarney for the rest of my days.
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Post by southward on Mar 30, 2022 12:25:57 GMT
Cork saying that “they will not show up” if game gets moved is a headline/opening paragraph writers dream I dunno - would Cork failing to show up even be news anymore?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 30, 2022 12:26:56 GMT
To me it draws attention once again to the white elephant that is Páirc Uí Chaoimh. Cork GAA maintain this is their county ground and that is where they play their home matches. How many matches has it seen since reopening and how much money did that generate towards their massive debts? As far as I'm told the matches don't actually generate that much money, and they actually lose money on the club matches staged there. Given that the ladies and the camogie boards are not (yet) part of the GAA there aren't a whole lot of potential matches to be played there anyway. 1 or 2 championship matches a year, double that for the hurling and the football, and 4 or 5 league matches, double again if they're lucky for the hurling and the football. The most it will see therefore is 14 matches a year, and most of them won't be anywhere near to selling out the stadium. I was told that like other stadiums they need it almost full to make a profit. That might happen twice a year. So it remains a money drain without concerts. Given the appalling infrastructure, no parking and the fact it is still prone to flooding......I doubt it will ever really make much money.
Meanwhile Cork city FC saw a bit money for their stadium at Turner's Cross, though it is still too small for international matches and definitely not good enough for a club that seems to have very high hopes. Munster rugby have more or less given up on Musgrave Park, just playing a few token matches there. UCC are still looking to redeveloping the Mar* and their facilities are a long way behind UCD, UL or DCU.
I still can't understand why the second largest city in the republic and the third largest on the island can't have a mutli-purpose stadium with adequate parking and a good infrastructure around it. Rent out the other spaces in the building so it will generate money all year round, base the centre of excellence there and UCC sports sciences.... now you have a sports complex that can be used all year round by several different sports, that will generate money for all those sports all year round, and might even become a reason for many to visit Cork. A win-win, instead of the lose-lose we have in Cork now. I know for one that Munster rugby, Limerick GAA and sporting Limerick are all working closely with UL and the other universities and the sports facilities in UL are probably amongst the best in Ireland, if not the best. Limerick is building a global reputation as a sports city, perhaps Cork could follow in its slipstream. It would benefit all sports in Munster, not just in Limerick and Cork, but everyone.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 30, 2022 12:29:17 GMT
Cork saying that “they will not show up” if game gets moved is a headline/opening paragraph writers dream I dunno - would Cork failing to show up even be news anymore? Looking at the Cork-Offaly match: Offaly will look at that and be sure they will win it next time they play. Ricken is right that they need to completely rebuild Cork football from nowhere, but so far it looks like nothing much is going to change. I often go to training sessions here in Rathkeale and the Limerick footballers could be ahead of Cork within two, three years time. If not earlier.
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Post by southward on Mar 30, 2022 12:39:54 GMT
If Cork have nowhere suitable to play the game, that's their own doing. Game should be moved to a venue elsewhere, sure aren't Mayo using Hyde Park and Carrick at the moment? But no, they'd rather play it in a substandard ground with nobody at it and the stewards doing a rain dance ahead of the game.
Total disrespect for the Munster Championship by Cork and the Munster Council need to stand up to them. And if they want to sulk and not turn up, let them, be no different to last year, really. Been a while since they had an oul strike, anyway.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 30, 2022 13:24:04 GMT
Couldn't care less to be honest ricken is just trying to create a siege mentality best of luck to him he will need it. Doubt there would be 14k at it in PUC anyway these players wont be taking cork lightly after our last trip there. Cork from what I've seen this year look poor and to be honest well off it physically
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2022 13:36:11 GMT
If Cork have nowhere suitable to play the game, that's their own doing. Game should be moved to a venue elsewhere, sure aren't Mayo using Hyde Park and Carrick at the moment? But no, they'd rather play it in a substandard ground with nobody at it and the stewards doing a rain dance ahead of the game. Total disrespect for the Munster Championship by Cork and the Munster Council need to stand up to them. And if they want to sulk and not turn up, let them, be no different to last year, really. Been a while since they had an oul strike, anyway. Love it 😀
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 30, 2022 13:55:24 GMT
Cork saying that “they will not show up” if game gets moved is a headline/opening paragraph writers dream I dunno - would Cork failing to show up even be news anymore? It can be adapted to either scenario, it’s gold for a journo. On the venue itself, I’d imagine that the Munster council don’t want their marque football game for the year played at an underage football venue
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Post by buck02 on Mar 30, 2022 14:50:09 GMT
Cork saying that “they will not show up” if game gets moved is a headline/opening paragraph writers dream They've not shown up to 4 or 5 championship games against Kerry in the last decade so it would be nothing new
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Post by glengael on Mar 30, 2022 14:53:37 GMT
I was under the impression that Kerry County Board had agreed to this game being in Pairc Ui Rinn, I thought that I read it somewhere but that may be incorrect.
It's ridiculous that so much money was invested in Pairc Ui Chaoimh and now it is unavailable for the very purpose for which all that investment was made.
If CCB want to hold fundraisers with Ed (& Brucie & Rod and whomever else comes along) there are plenty of idle weekends on which to do so.
Keyyboyo, a v. good points regarding minors.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 30, 2022 15:02:57 GMT
It's ridiculous that so much money was invested in Pairc Ui Chaoimh and now it is unavailable for the very purpose for which all that investment was made. That scene in 'Yes Minister' springs to mind where the newly built, fully staffed hospital is regarded as a splendid success story even though there are no actual patients.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 30, 2022 15:48:17 GMT
A double header with the Cork v Clare hurling game on Sunday 1st May in Thurles would be a grand day out.
Spose no chance of that happening.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 30, 2022 16:00:51 GMT
If Cork want to play the game in PUR let them. As far as I can see it's their call due to our H & A arrangement.
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Post by john4 on Mar 30, 2022 16:31:00 GMT
There's always some guy looking to make a few bob out of it!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 30, 2022 16:35:38 GMT
There's always some guy looking to make a few bob out of it!! Keith Ricken and Cian O'Neill are colleagues in MTU.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 30, 2022 17:28:25 GMT
Pairc Ui Rinn's current capacity is 9,200 according to the Examiner.
When the game was announced for PuR, the reports said that the Cork County Board were hoping to complete remedial works to get the capacity up to 11k.
However given the Cork County Board's past history in terms of getting work completed on time, you'd have to be sceptical about them mananging to get it done on time especially given the squeeze the construction sector is under at the moment and the difficulty in getting materials.
You'd imagine that 15k is the minimum crowd that would turn up in Killarney and 20k is a reasonable possibility.
Holding the game in PuR as opposed to Killarney would likely cost the Munster Council a bare minimum of €100k and if the remedial works weren't completed in time and depending on the crowd in Killarney could easily be over €250k.
If Cork GAA want to play in PuR they should do the decent thing and compensate the Munster Council for this loss, especially considering the reason that Cork can't hold the game in Pairc Ui Chaoimh is that they are using it to hold a concert to make money.
It's worth noting that the Munster Council as an entity gave Cork a grant of €3.75 million to help with the refurbishment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
One way to look at it is Cork are willing to cost all the other Munster counties something between the order of €20k and €50k, at the same time they are holding two concerts that will likely net something around €5million for Cork GAA.
Cheapest standing tickets for the gig are €82, last time he played in Cork the crowd was reported as 40k, he's in Cork for two nights this time. Assume a mimimum crowd of 60k over the two nights by €82 = €49.2 million. Even with costs and the promoter and Ed getting a serious whack it's hard to see Cork GAA not getting at least €5 million for Cork GAA.
Doing this while costing all the other counties in Munster money takes some neck.
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Post by dano on Mar 30, 2022 17:41:47 GMT
Stacks and Finbarrs had a similar to do about the venue for the Munster Club championship. Finbarrs won out in not allowing any chance of home advantage to the Rock. This is in the minds of Cork now and they know it could help them in terms of mind games.
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Post by john4 on Mar 30, 2022 19:34:28 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2022 19:38:16 GMT
Common sense prevails.
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Post by john4 on Mar 30, 2022 19:38:27 GMT
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Post by taggert on Mar 30, 2022 19:39:01 GMT
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