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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2022 16:01:39 GMT
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Post by Moderator on Apr 8, 2022 18:55:54 GMT
Trivia Questions moved to a thread of its own.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 8, 2022 19:46:40 GMT
Surely in the interest of everyone concerned the powers that be need to resolve this now.
Let people make plans etc.
I'd imagine it'll go back to Cork and even though I'd be disappointed not to see it live I think it might stand more to Kerry.
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Post by kerrysouth on Apr 9, 2022 7:53:27 GMT
This venue debate becoming a saga now.Jack did a god job deflecting away the question last sun but the Munster council for Kerry’s sake would do well to act fast and bring closure soon and if they go back to pairc ui rinn so be it just don’t continue with the circus very unfair on Kerry
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Post by mossie on Apr 10, 2022 12:37:25 GMT
This venue debate becoming a saga now.Jack did a god job deflecting away the question last sun but the Munster council for Kerry’s sake would do well to act fast and bring closure soon and if they go back to pairc ui rinn so be it just don’t continue with the circus very unfair on Kerry yeah about time a bit of closure on this may as well play it in pairc ui rinn and be done with it
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Post by decondd2 on Apr 11, 2022 7:51:49 GMT
This venue debate becoming a saga now.Jack did a god job deflecting away the question last sun but the Munster council for Kerry’s sake would do well to act fast and bring closure soon and if they go back to pairc ui rinn so be it just don’t continue with the circus very unfair on Kerry yeah about time a bit of closure on this may as well play it in pairc ui rinn and be done with it I read in the the independent that the Home and Away arrangement between Kerry and Cork states that the games have to be played in Páirc Uí Chaoimh or Fitzgerald Stadium. Cork had no right in the first place to fix it for Páirc UI Rinn. The game has to go ahead in Fitzgerald Stadium. Whatever gripes the Cork Footballers have is with the County Board. Not with the Munster Council or Kerry. When the management team requested the game in Páirc Uí Rinn, they should have been informed of the arrangement straight away so that they could plan for Killarney accordingly. The Cork football team don't have a leg to stand on with this protest in my opinion.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 11, 2022 8:01:14 GMT
yeah about time a bit of closure on this may as well play it in pairc ui rinn and be done with it I read in the the independent that the Home and Away arrangement between Kerry and Cork states that the games have to be played in Páirc Uí Chaoimh or Fitzgerald Stadium. Cork had no right in the first place to fix it for Páirc UI Rinn. The game has to go ahead in Fitzgerald Stadium. Whatever gripes the Cork Footballers have is with the County Board. Not with the Munster Council or Kerry. When the management team requested the game in Páirc Uí Rinn, they should have been informed of the arrangement straight away so that they could plan for Killarney accordingly. The Cork football team don't have a leg to stand on with this protest in my opinion. Did the Munster Council not initially fix the game for PUíR (perhaps conditional on works)?
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2022 8:12:08 GMT
I think the answer to the above question is Yes.
Is work being done to upgrade PuRinn at the moment or has that all stopped.
Kerry may end up getting a walkover.
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Post by john4 on Apr 12, 2022 16:40:28 GMT
We're 25 days out from the Munster Semi Final. I presume Killarney is locked in at this stage. Is this debate closed 🤔
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Post by dc84 on Apr 12, 2022 16:57:16 GMT
We're 25 days out from the Munster Semi Final. I presume Killarney is locked in at this stage. Is this debate closed 🤔 I wouldn't think so heard talk or Gaelic grounds as well , Jesus lads it would tire you out this nonsense
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 12, 2022 18:19:39 GMT
If Cork GAA were this passionate outside anything involving Kerry, they wouldn't be Division 2 fodder. I expect the game to be pushed to PUR but the Munster Council will adopt a hard stance in future events binding all county boards. If a county board mucks up again they must accept the Munster Council's decision.
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Post by john4 on Apr 12, 2022 18:31:31 GMT
If Cork GAA were this passionate outside anything involving Kerry, they wouldn't be Division 2 fodder. I expect the game to be pushed to PUR but the Munster Council will adopt a hard stance in future events binding all county boards. If a county board mucks up again they must accept the Munster Council's decision. There must be some point in time though where the decision is final, and I'm just wondering when would this be. 21 days ahead of the fixture?, 14?, 7?. I expressed an opinion earlier that Kerry Gaa should stay well clear of this mess, but I think they'd do well now to set out their minimum acceptable notice period for agreeing to a venue other than which is currently in place, ie. Killarney.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 12, 2022 19:43:56 GMT
If Cork GAA were this passionate outside anything involving Kerry, they wouldn't be Division 2 fodder. I expect the game to be pushed to PUR but the Munster Council will adopt a hard stance in future events binding all county boards. If a county board mucks up again they must accept the Munster Council's decision. There must be some point in time though where the decision is final, and I'm just wondering when would this be. 21 days ahead of the fixture?, 14?, 7?. I expressed an opinion earlier that Kerry Gaa should stay well clear of this mess, but I think they'd do well now to set out their minimum acceptable notice period for agreeing to a venue other than which is currently in place, ie. Killarney. The venue for the infamous Newbridge or Nowhere was decided during the week of the game. Maybe the Munster Council by not engaging with the Cork campaign are hoping the Cork lads tire themselves out or say the wrong thing in public. We all remember the disaster interview with HQ's McGill who more or less called Mayo and Kildare fans hooligans. It was easier for Kildare as there was a short sustained action by Kildare as the game was close to the original venue decision, here were have the Cork lads, over a longer period, appearing for no reason at irregular intervals to explain their stance is the same. Also the GPA media ban has hampered the Cork players' ability to get the message out. The public won't really care if the saga is drawn out over a month or so. The Cork public less so when it's the footballers and not the hurlers. I think Kerry GAA are doing work behind the scenes to sort Cork's mess and will demand a venue confirmed by a certain date. They learned their lesson after the disrespectful Tyrone ultimatum where their county board didn't give Kerry advance notice before issuing it. A quick phonecall between chairmen would have sufficied. However, Kerry should not give up Killarney on both the next two Kerry v Cork championship matches. If it ends up at a neutral venue this year, it's Killarney next. We can point to Cork hurlers not requesting an extra home game next year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 12, 2022 19:48:28 GMT
There are other considerations to be taken into account. Local businesses, Travel and accommodation.
They need to make a call on this and get on with it.
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Post by john4 on Apr 12, 2022 19:55:28 GMT
There are other considerations to be taken into account. Local businesses, Travel and accommodation. They need to make a call on this and get on with it. 3 weeks to go and the Gardaí in Killarney (or the Gardaí in Cork) don't know if they're expecting 30,000 people in town on the 7th of May or not. Same goes for those involved in the hospitality industry etc. Someone needs to call a deadline on this.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 12, 2022 20:02:58 GMT
Something tells me Cork County Board are okay with Killarney this year and PUC the next two years. The backing of the footballers is only to keep the players happy for a while and hope they back down. The statement on the change to Killarney is proof the two county boards were involved in the decision for Killarney and then PUC x 2.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 12, 2022 21:33:26 GMT
Something tells me Cork County Board are okay with Killarney this year and PUC the next two years. The backing of the footballers is only to keep the players happy for a while and hope they back down. The statement on the change to Killarney is proof the two county boards were involved in the decision for Killarney and then PUC x 2. The cork county board would sell their own teams down the river for an extra 5er, they’ve prob had a few quid dangled on front of them and know that they are just postponing home venue as opposed to giving it up and postponing it so that it can be held at a bigger stadium with more revenue. They’ll say whatever in public but you’d be a fool to listen to that bunch of chancers
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 12, 2022 21:43:23 GMT
Apparently the Munster Council will be changing the venue again. The game will almost definitely be not in Killarney but it's a toss up between Thurles or Pairc Ui Rinn. I'd probably rather it played in Pairc Ui Rinn as only the real die hards will travel to Thurles and it'd only lead to a crowd of about 10,000. Thurles is at least 2 hours from Kerry, more in some parts and not a lot of supporters will travel there to see what should be a one sided game.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 12, 2022 21:56:04 GMT
Apparently the Munster Council will be changing the venue again. The game will almost definitely be not in Killarney but it's a toss up between Thurles or Pairc Ui Rinn. I'd probably rather it played in Pairc Ui Rinn as only the real die hards will travel to Thurles and it'd only lead to a crowd of about 10,000. Thurles is at least 2 hours from Kerry, more in some parts and not a lot of supporters will travel there to see what should be a one sided game. A double header with Cork v Clare in hurling on Sunday 1st May in Thurles? Full house.... Too late now to move it to 1st May i suppose. It does look now that the Munster council are backing down and the game will go ahead in Pairc ui Rinn. This is in Kerrys best interest as it might turn into a contest.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 14, 2022 20:03:20 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 14, 2022 20:51:08 GMT
If Cork are too scared to turn up in Killarney there's nothing the Munster Council can do about it. I wonder if there's any talk of Cork GAA organising an alternative football team like they did on occasion during the hurling strikes? Going straight into the Munster Final is not ideal but nothing much Kerry can do. Kerry should be looking to making sure this get sorted one way or another before the next round of county league games so management have the option of letting lads play if they feel lads need game time.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2022 21:38:05 GMT
If Cork are too scared to turn up in Killarney there's nothing the Munster Council can do about it. I wonder if there's any talk of Cork GAA organising an alternative football team like they did on occasion during the hurling strikes? Going straight into the Munster Final is not ideal but nothing much Kerry can do. Kerry should be looking to making sure this get sorted one way or another before the next round of county league games so management have the option of letting lads play if they feel lads need game time. Meanwhile 11,000 capacity for Waterfords home game v Tipp on Sunday. Its a sell out. Should be a cracking atmosphere
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Post by Moderator on Apr 14, 2022 21:52:48 GMT
The difference being Walsh Park is Waterford's county ground.
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Post by taggert on Apr 14, 2022 22:04:25 GMT
Could end up with a behind closed doors version of Kerry probables versus possibles in Killarney that weekend. Assume Cork would be expelled from the 2022 c'ship in that case? And fined? The irony!
Didnt read article as subscription required.....
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2022 22:12:00 GMT
The difference being Walsh Park is Waterford's county ground. So what is my reaction to that argument. A global pandemic is the root cause of this. The concerts would never have clashed with games if it weren't for the pandemic.
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Post by exiled on Apr 14, 2022 22:23:20 GMT
The difference being Walsh Park is Waterford's county ground. So what is my reaction to that argument. A global pandemic is the root cause of this. The concerts would never have clashed with games if it weren't for the pandemic. There we have it..it's Covids fault
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2022 22:29:05 GMT
So what is my reaction to that argument. A global pandemic is the root cause of this. The concerts would never have clashed with games if it weren't for the pandemic. There we have it..it's Covids fault Even if Kerry and Cork were kept apart in the draw this would not have happened.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2022 22:29:37 GMT
Could end up with a behind closed doors version of Kerry probables versus possibles in Killarney that weekend. Assume Cork would be expelled from the 2022 c'ship in that case? And fined? The irony! Didnt read article as subscription required..... THU, 14 APR, 2022 - 20:49 TONY LEEN Munster GAA chiefs have reiterated their decision to switch the May 7 Munster SFC semi-final clash between Cork and Kerry to Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney. The stance, taken on the basis that the home and away agreement between the counties is limited to Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Fitzgerald Stadium, was taken at a meeting Wednesday and would appear to rule out Páirc Ui Rinn as an alternative. The Cork footballers have dug their heels in and warned they will only play the game at Páirc Uí Rinn, which the provincial body announced as the venue last month. The Cork squad are likely to meet as soon as possible to discuss the Munster Council’s stance and will consider the ultimate step of forfeiting the game against Kerry. Were they to do so, they would be eliminated from the football championship for 2022, and their next competitive game would be in Allianz League Division 2 early in 2023. Even during the bitter Cork strikes of 2002 and 2009, the county’s seniors never failed to fulfill a fixture. The uncertainty comes as Cork football manager Keith Ricken has taken a step back from his responsibilities for health reasons. John Cleary has been appointed interim football manager. If Cork confirm their refusal to travel to Killarney on May 7, the stalemate may move to arbitration, where a neutral alternative, such as Limerick’s Gaelic Grounds or Semple Stadium in Thurles, would be tabled. Kerry are continuing preparations for the game in three weeks and seem to be reserving their position for the time being on the venue dispute. While key players in the Kingdom have no issue with playing in Páirc Uí Rinn, there is a lingering sense that Kerry got badly burned for acquiescing to the delayed All-Ireland semi-final against Tyrone last autumn.
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Post by taggert on Apr 14, 2022 22:34:05 GMT
Thanks Mick.
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Post by pillar on Apr 15, 2022 8:19:08 GMT
Load of rubbish at this stage..Teams jumping up and down like spoilt children because they don't get their way has to be stopped..Bottom line is Paurc Ui Rinn is not fit for purpose so an alternative venue must be sourced..be it Killarney or elsewhere. GAA must stand up to these trivialities and if it means Cork forfeiting so be it..giving them their way only gives a precedence to future sulks.
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