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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 2, 2022 6:05:39 GMT
I remember in 2009 we played a championship qualifier game against Sligo in Tralee while the Puddy cat dolls were playing in Killarney. We were lucky to get out alive that day. In the Qualifiers the first team out of the hat has home venue in the Munster championship they don’t. There’s an agreement between county boards to rotate that is subject to council approval and is expected to happen at each county’s designated ground. That’s why we play a Clare or a Tipp in Killarney, when Tralee would make more sense
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Post by veteran on Apr 2, 2022 9:33:00 GMT
Surely each county board have their designated County Grounds for the Munster Council. Waterford have Walsh Park with nearly as small a capacity as Pairc Ui Rinn, but as it is their designated home venue, the Waterford home games will be there...end of discussion. If a County Grounds is not available, that county should lose the fixture and Munster Council refix it at their discretion, probably with agreement between counties involved or at venue decided by home county...but the refixture must be at a County Grounds. Solution: Thurles, Limerick or Killarney in May 2022...let Cork choose, and the "Home/Away" agreement is skipped for a year (meaning in Cork next time). So, if Cork go ahead and choose Thurles /Limerick according to your suggestion Killarney would miss out on a game in 2023 that would rightfully be theirs. In other words Kerry are being punished for a mess that is not of their doing. If Cork decided to come to Killarney this year then certainly they get a home venue next year. However if they choose Thurles/Limerick , then it should be Killarney for them next year. In that way we are not being punished for their incompetence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 11:11:31 GMT
I remember in 2009 we played a championship qualifier game against Sligo in Tralee while the Puddy cat dolls were playing in Killarney. We were lucky to get out alive that day. In the Qualifiers the first team out of the hat has home venue in the Munster championship they don’t. There’s an agreement between county boards to rotate that is subject to council approval and is expected to happen at each county’s designated ground. That’s why we play a Clare or a Tipp in Killarney, when Tralee would make more sense ah I see faith 👌
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 2, 2022 11:16:48 GMT
Should Kerry meet Cork next year then Killarney will be hosting one game either this year or next. That is a guarantee Kerry should expect from Cork and the Munster Council. After that do what they want.
There is no defense to Cork looking for a neutral venue this year and return to the agreement next year starting in Cork. If anything it starts in Kerry after a neutral venue. It benefits Cork to avoid playing in a stadium they haven't won in since 1995.
Reduce the Cork funding by what the Munster Council expects thw different between gate receipts in Killarney and PUR, and play it in PUR.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 2, 2022 16:39:33 GMT
In the Qualifiers the first team out of the hat has home venue in the Munster championship they don’t. There’s an agreement between county boards to rotate that is subject to council approval and is expected to happen at each county’s designated ground. That’s why we play a Clare or a Tipp in Killarney, when Tralee would make more sense ah I see faith 👌 I haven't heard that expression with years.
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 2, 2022 17:25:15 GMT
I haven't heard that expression with years. Same with me ... it takes me back to a different time and place and people that are long gone...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 19:08:44 GMT
I haven't heard that expression with years. Same with me ... it takes me back to a different time and place and people that are long gone... it's still used a bit around locally, mostly the older crew for sure.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2022 19:25:29 GMT
OTB is awful
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 2, 2022 20:55:49 GMT
I haven't heard that expression with years. Same with me ... it takes me back to a different time and place and people that are long gone... Ah brilliant. My Granny used to say that all the time and my Mom still does the odd time. Ah I've a smile on my face now!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 3, 2022 10:11:17 GMT
Let me just say this again, the absolute f*ckin state of cork. They are just an embarrassment to the GAA in general, if this is the hill they choose to die on then who really cares.
They are an irrelevance, should be a division 3 team, a pile of sh*te, we should take the walkover as a training match would do us better
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 3, 2022 12:15:01 GMT
Let me just say this again, the absolute f*ckin state of cork. They are just an embarrassment to the GAA in general, if this is the hill they choose to die on then who really cares. They are an irrelevance, should be a division 3 team, a pile of sh*te, we should take the walkover as a training match would do us better You can blame Cork County Board but there is no need to be insulting to the Cork players. It's not their fault. Home advantage is home advantage and I can understand why the players would prefer a hostile small stadium over a half full stadium.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 3, 2022 12:24:22 GMT
Let me just say this again, the absolute f*ckin state of cork. They are just an embarrassment to the GAA in general, if this is the hill they choose to die on then who really cares. They are an irrelevance, should be a division 3 team, a pile of sh*te, we should take the walkover as a training match would do us better You can blame Cork County Board but there is no need to be insulting to the Cork players. It's not their fault. Home advantage is home advantage and I can understand why the players would prefer a hostile small stadium over a half full stadium. Agreed. We must "separate the dancers from the dance" to quote bill yeats
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 3, 2022 13:19:14 GMT
Let me just say this again, the absolute f*ckin state of cork. They are just an embarrassment to the GAA in general, if this is the hill they choose to die on then who really cares. They are an irrelevance, should be a division 3 team, a pile of sh*te, we should take the walkover as a training match would do us better You can blame Cork County Board but there is no need to be insulting to the Cork players. It's not their fault. Home advantage is home advantage and I can understand why the players would prefer a hostile small stadium over a half full stadium. There’s an agreement between the county boards that home advantage is rotated and games are to be played at your principle ground. All this is subject to approval by the Munster council
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 3, 2022 14:04:27 GMT
You can blame Cork County Board but there is no need to be insulting to the Cork players. It's not their fault. Home advantage is home advantage and I can understand why the players would prefer a hostile small stadium over a half full stadium. There’s an agreement between the county boards that home advantage is rotated and games are to be played at your principle ground. All this is subject to approval by the Munster council The Cork players didn't cause it. I doubt your comment here "an irrelevance, should be a division 3 team, a pile of sh*te, we should take the walkover as a training match would do us better" applies to the Cork County Board. This year it should be in Cork, the players have an argument to keep the game. I agree that Cork County Board should be sanctioned for their disgraceful greed hosting concerts around the Munster Championship, but it appears the players were likely lied to by their County Board about where the game is played.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 3, 2022 17:25:55 GMT
Their stance is embarrassing, if they have an issue then raise it with their county board. Saying they’ll play it nowhere else is just pathetic and childish. They are a complete irrelevance, this will be the only thing that they are remembered for in the championship
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 3, 2022 17:31:29 GMT
Roll on Cork.
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Post by percentageplay on Apr 3, 2022 18:11:52 GMT
There’s an agreement between the county boards that home advantage is rotated and games are to be played at your principle ground. All this is subject to approval by the Munster council The Cork players didn't cause it. I doubt your comment here "an irrelevance, should be a division 3 team, a pile of sh*te, we should take the walkover as a training match would do us better" applies to the Cork County Board. This year it should be in Cork, the players have an argument to keep the game. I agree that Cork County Board should be sanctioned for their disgraceful greed hosting concerts around the Munster Championship, but it appears the players were likely lied to by their County Board about where the game is played. Unfair comment regarding the greed of the cork county board. Munster Champ QF were held on 26/6, this year they are being played on 30/04 - two months earlier than the previous year. How would the county board know that this major change in fixtures would occur? The agreed use of PUC for the concert would have been agreed before last year's Munster champ even started at which time the spilt season calendar was only whispers. Contracts signed with a major marketing company which I would assume carried fairly hefty penalties for withdrawing from such a contract.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 3, 2022 18:25:25 GMT
The Cork players didn't cause it. I doubt your comment here "an irrelevance, should be a division 3 team, a pile of sh*te, we should take the walkover as a training match would do us better" applies to the Cork County Board. This year it should be in Cork, the players have an argument to keep the game. I agree that Cork County Board should be sanctioned for their disgraceful greed hosting concerts around the Munster Championship, but it appears the players were likely lied to by their County Board about where the game is played. Unfair comment regarding the greed of the cork county board. Munster Champ QF were held on 26/6, this year they are being played on 30/04 - two months earlier than the previous year. How would the county board know that this major change in fixtures would occur? The agreed use of PUC for the concert would have been agreed before last year's Munster champ even started at which time the spilt season calendar was only whispers. Contracts signed with a major marketing company which I would assume carried fairly hefty penalties for withdrawing from such a contract. Cork CB receives grants to renovate PUC. The grants were not for the use of concerts. Also, laughing at the thought the CCB are so out of touch they didn't know when the games could be held. Would you accept reducing Cork funding next year by the expected loss of revenue? It would be only fair.
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Post by percentageplay on Apr 3, 2022 18:33:04 GMT
Unfair comment regarding the greed of the cork county board. Munster Champ QF were held on 26/6, this year they are being played on 30/04 - two months earlier than the previous year. How would the county board know that this major change in fixtures would occur? The agreed use of PUC for the concert would have been agreed before last year's Munster champ even started at which time the spilt season calendar was only whispers. Contracts signed with a major marketing company which I would assume carried fairly hefty penalties for withdrawing from such a contract. Cork CB receives grants to renovate PUC. The grants were not for the use of concerts. Also, laughing at the thought the CCB are so out of touch they didn't know when the games could be held. Would you accept reducing Cork funding next year by the expected loss of revenue? It would be only fair. Grants were for renovating a stadium. The split season was voted on (Feb '21) after the CCB had agreed to stage the concerts so it is perfectly understandable and plausible that the CCB would not forsee Munster Champ in April/May. And it is most certainly not fair. If Cork and Kerry don't meet in the Munster Champ then there is rarely a match in the Champ that would get a large attendance. I dont mind the any provincial board taking a hit as it is them that hold back GAA reform.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 3, 2022 18:42:39 GMT
Cork CB receives grants to renovate PUC. The grants were not for the use of concerts. Also, laughing at the thought the CCB are so out of touch they didn't know when the games could be held. Would you accept reducing Cork funding next year by the expected loss of revenue? It would be only fair. Grants were for renovating a stadium. The split season was voted on (Feb '21) after the CCB had agreed to stage the concerts so it is perfectly understandable and plausible that the CCB would not forsee Munster Champ in April/May. And it is most certainly not fair. If Cork and Kerry don't meet in the Munster Champ then there is rarely a match in the Champ that would get a large attendance. I dont mind the any provincial board taking a hit as it is them that hold back GAA reform. So the other five counties should suffer for the utter greed from Cork GAA. Pathetic response from you. So my only query is whether you are related to someone in the CCB or are you one of the clowns in the county board?
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Post by percentageplay on Apr 3, 2022 18:48:48 GMT
Grants were for renovating a stadium. The split season was voted on (Feb '21) after the CCB had agreed to stage the concerts so it is perfectly understandable and plausible that the CCB would not forsee Munster Champ in April/May. And it is most certainly not fair. If Cork and Kerry don't meet in the Munster Champ then there is rarely a match in the Champ that would get a large attendance. I dont mind the any provincial board taking a hit as it is them that hold back GAA reform. So the other five counties should suffer for the utter greed from Cork GAA. Pathetic response from you. So my only query is whether you are related to someone in the CCB or are you one of the clowns in the county board? Name calling really enhances your position. Is there anything in my response that you would actually like to challenge me on?
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 3, 2022 18:51:26 GMT
So the other five counties should suffer for the utter greed from Cork GAA. Pathetic response from you. So my only query is whether you are related to someone in the CCB or are you one of the clowns in the county board? Name calling really enhances your position. Is there anything in my response that you would actually like to challenge me on? I'm not debating a Cork County Board member. I'm not debasing myself to that level. Congratulations on surviving Division 2. 👍
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Post by buck02 on Apr 4, 2022 8:31:18 GMT
When Pairc Ui Chaoimh was being rebuilt and was not available for games, why wasn't there a clamour then by Cork to play in Flower Lodge?
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2022 8:39:07 GMT
There is no clamour now.
The Cork county board look like they didnt give a flying f.... about this game.
Now that the players are trying to avoid a pasting in Killarney the county board look to be getting involved.
Thats the way i see it.
As for the Cork fans...id say they would like a weekend in Killarney
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Post by inforthebreaks on Apr 4, 2022 11:00:10 GMT
why dont cork co. board move it to a neutral venue like limerick, where it can have a decent crowd, and use that as a designated "home venue" for the game. When any club team is doing a new pitch they work out a deal for a year or so with a neighbouring club and nominate that pitch as a home venue. It's pretty simple really. no need for all the hullabuloo and it should be noted that Cork Co. board are doing that with the hurlers, why not their footballers?
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Post by homerj on Apr 4, 2022 11:25:17 GMT
why dont cork co. board move it to a neutral venue like limerick, where it can have a decent crowd, and use that as a designated "home venue" for the game. When any club team is doing a new pitch they work out a deal for a year or so with a neighbouring club and nominate that pitch as a home venue. It's pretty simple really. no need for all the hullabuloo and it should be noted that Cork Co. board are doing that with the hurlers, why not their footballers? the way it will work out- Killarney big crowd of about 25k+ PUR about 5-10k but probably not that as people wont go to PUR Limerick, youd be lucky to get 5-10k cork have no fans right now and kerry wont bother travelling to cork or limerick.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2022 12:27:12 GMT
Cork county board suddenly look like rare geniuses now given the way the cost of building materials and building in general has increased and is set to increase in the next year.
An 8 x 4 sheet of plywood that cost 18 euro is now about 80 euro.
Building that Stadium now could cost double what they built it for.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 4, 2022 13:08:06 GMT
Cork county board suddenly look like rare geniuses now given the way the cost of building materials and building in general has increased and is set to increase in the next year. An 8 x 4 sheet of plywood that cost 18 euro is now about 80 euro. Building that Stadium now could cost double what they built it for. Don’t be giving them ideas, they might start stripping the materials and flogging them
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Post by cynicalfootball on Apr 4, 2022 13:41:39 GMT
if Cork cancelled the the home and away agreement you would have uproar by the hoteliers and the publicans in Killarney as the game in Killarney is worth up to 6 million to the local economy where as the effects of no game in cork would hardly be notices.
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Post by dano on Apr 4, 2022 14:11:00 GMT
This thing shouldn't get any more Oxygen. They are trying to develop the siege mentality and, ultimately, an advantage. Kerry should just watch from the long grass, go up there, play the game and beat them like they usually do.
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