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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 16:47:30 GMT
Jesus lads we're turning into Mayo blog. Control what we can control. That's all we can do. Refs are humans. They make mistakes sure isn't that's why rubbers are at the end of pencils! No! Let's not pretend or be naive, it's not always mistakes and in the case of Joe he has a bias against Kerry. more of a pro Dublin bias than anti Kerry.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2019 17:21:47 GMT
Ya I thought I was a great lad alright when I made my confirmation back in day...............
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Post by greenmen55 on Aug 1, 2019 17:38:01 GMT
How does the dates for the semi final work is it if we win Saturday evening we play on the following Sunday? Does anybody know how it works
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 1, 2019 17:41:53 GMT
How does the dates for the semi final work is it if we win Saturday evening we play on the following Sunday? Does anybody know how it works We are on Sunday @ 3.30 if topping the group - Dubs @ home on Sat night.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Aug 1, 2019 18:16:52 GMT
Folks would a photo on a phone or a printed photo get you into the game on Sunday. As a result of a mixup my season tickets are in a luggage bag in the UK 😩😩
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 1, 2019 18:17:32 GMT
You reward a lad for getting sent off? It's been rescinded but he was still stupid enough to raise his hands after being on about 2 mins- we couldnt then push up on their last kick out. Tomas was foolish to react BUT he was not the instigator and this is an important point! Too often the forward is punished when it's the defender who is doing the blackguarding in the first place and goes unpunished and unreported by a clearly biased official in this case. Joe it seems can only see through one eye. I'm not disagreeing that the forwards are more sinned against but look at the treatment that Clifford gets and he keeps his cool- you need the maturity to deal with this
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Post by veteran on Aug 1, 2019 18:41:24 GMT
Apart from Dublin Joe of course , did anybody on this forum see the Tomas incident? Dublin Joe presumably saw a striking offence , Kerrybhoy suggests a raising of the hands while Kingdomson suggests that Tomas was foolish to react. Did the latter two see the incident and if so could they describe what they saw?
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 1, 2019 18:43:20 GMT
No! Let's not pretend or be naive, it's not always mistakes and in the case of Joe he has a bias against Kerry. And are you not biased towards Kerry? Yes BUT i try to be objective in my analysis. You see things through green and gold tinted glasses. Not alwaysThe term availability heuristic is our minds flawed presumption that things that are memorised are also important. This often leads to us unfairly thinking of certain refs in relation to some high profile incidents. Every sport has this. Criticism of the ref's performance tends to be much more severe for the team that loses. I'm not denying that Joe has made some mistakes but to come out and say he's outright biased is a fairly strong statement. Y es, it is. Refs will continue to make mistakes at least until the tech takes over and maybe even then as witnessed by VAR in soccer it will still be a grey area. For sure we all have biases but this includes referees does it not? I don't make the statement lightly and I stand by it. I met Joe once in a social setting and prior to the 2011 final and on the subject of football and Kerry, Joe told me out straight that “Kerry had enough won”. Now when an inter-county referee has this mind-set and his getting Kerry games and given his record well yeah, it makes me nervous. So NO, I don’t always believe it’s just a mistake and indeed a referee’s own bias can and does play a role in his ‘mistakes’ and decision-making. My last word on this and based on past evidence is I would prefer not to see Joe McQuillan and David Gough appointed again for a Dublin v Kerry fixture. Although in fairness to Gough he did apologise in 2017 but as a Kerry player responded, it was far too late.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 1, 2019 18:43:47 GMT
Tomas was foolish to react BUT he was not the instigator and this is an important point! Too often the forward is punished when it's the defender who is doing the blackguarding in the first place and goes unpunished and unreported by a clearly biased official in this case. Joe it seems can only see through one eye. I'm not disagreeing that the forwards are more sinned against but look at the treatment that Clifford gets and he keeps his cool- you need the maturity to deal with this Agree.
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Post by john4 on Aug 1, 2019 19:06:32 GMT
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 1, 2019 19:08:07 GMT
Apart from Dublin Joe of course , did anybody on this forum see the Tomas incident? Dublin Joe presumably saw a striking offence , Kerrybhoy suggests a raising of the hands while Kingdomson suggests that Tomas was foolish to react. Did the latter two see the incident and if so could they describe what they saw? Funny enough it wasn't repeated during the live showing but if you watch the Sunday Game evening highlights it was defender (i think it was Frank McGylnn) who threw back an elbow first and then a punch to Tomas's throat while running out and Tomas reacted. .
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Post by taibhse on Aug 1, 2019 19:08:53 GMT
The Kerry Team to Play Meath on Sat. 3rd. Aug.
1. Shane Ryan 2. Jason Foley. 3. Tadgh Morley. 4. Tom O’Sullivan. 5. Paul Murphy. 6. Gavin Crowley. 7. Shane Enright. 8. David Moran. 9. Adrian Spillane. 10. Gavin White 11. Sean O’Shea. 12. Stephen O’Brien. 13. David Clifford. 14. Paul Geaney. 15. Killian Spillane.
The subs. list has not been published.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 19:18:29 GMT
there is little point in discussing PKs teams named on a Thursday night.
All subject to change. Well not all.
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Post by john4 on Aug 1, 2019 19:32:20 GMT
there is little point in discussing PKs teams named on a Thursday night. All subject to change. Well not all. Shane Ryan will start in goal and Clifford will start in front of the other one, everything else is fairly fluid alright. May not start that way but the optics of naming anything less than the best 15 would be disrespectful to Meath and would serve them with ammunition.
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Post by veteran on Aug 1, 2019 19:49:08 GMT
Apart from Dublin Joe of course , did anybody on this forum see the Tomas incident? Dublin Joe presumably saw a striking offence , Kerrybhoy suggests a raising of the hands while Kingdomson suggests that Tomas was foolish to react. Did the latter two see the incident and if so could they describe what they saw? Funny enough it wasn't repeated during the live showing but if you watch the Sunday Game evening highlights it was defender (i think it was Frank McGylnn) who threw back an elbow first and then a punch to Tomas's throat while running out and Tomas reacted. . Thanks for that Kingdomson. So , needless to say , Dublin Joe saw what he wanted to see. It truly is shameless if he decided to ignore Frank McGlynn’s contribution to this incident.
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Post by peanuts on Aug 1, 2019 19:54:20 GMT
Funny enough it wasn't repeated during the live showing but if you watch the Sunday Game evening highlights it was defender (i think it was Frank McGylnn) who threw back an elbow first and then a punch to Tomas's throat while running out and Tomas reacted. . Thanks for that Kingdomson. So , needless to say , Dublin Joe saw what he wanted to see. It truly is shameless if he decided to ignore Frank McGlynn’s contribution to this incident. . Tomas clearly hit McGlynn on the back of the head but the force was minimal. I didn’t see McGlynn connecting with Tomás. It was handbags really.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 1, 2019 21:03:02 GMT
The Kerry Team to Play Meath on Sat. 3rd. Aug. 1. Shane Ryan 2. Jason Foley. 3. Tadgh Morley. 4. Tom O’Sullivan. 5. Paul Murphy. 6. Gavin Crowley. 7. Shane Enright. 8. David Moran. 9. Adrian Spillane. 10. Gavin White 11. Sean O’Shea. 12. Stephen O’Brien. 13. David Clifford. 14. Paul Geaney. 15. Killian Spillane. The subs. list has not been published. Looks like a real team this time but who knows? Interesting tactic not to publish the subs. If you don't know the subs you can't speculate on the match day changes to the starters. Bet there is some espionage to get hands on an advance copy of the programme.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 21:06:55 GMT
According to the Kerryman Tomas O’Se’s red card has been rescinded. So, what did Dublin Joe report him for? Apparently it was he who alerted the referee to the incident. A striking offence presumably, which according to this decision never occurred. Yet this wretch rides on with impunity , seeing action in Omagh next weekend. It is imperative that this guy not be allowed officiate Kerry games in any capacity in future. Delighted for young Tomas. Peter will surely reward him with some action next Saturday. I don't think Joe McQuillan had anything to do with the red card. Tomas gave his man a clip/push in the back of the head right in front of the ref after a minor altercation. It was a criminally stupid thing to do and on a par with Killian Young's in 2018 v Galway although Killian's was delivered with a bit more force. Tomas has told the world now that he will retaliate after minor provocation and he can expect plenty of it and if he cant deal with it without getting a red card, there is no place for him on the panel I am afraid. Refs will give two yellows for two lads brawling no matter who started it. But they will give red for any striking offence no manner how slight.
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Post by homerj on Aug 1, 2019 21:12:41 GMT
tickets.ie showing no tickets onsale...has it been like this all week or just today?
ive none bought yet and will they be on sale at the game?
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Post by southward on Aug 1, 2019 21:13:28 GMT
Thanks for that Kingdomson. So , needless to say , Dublin Joe saw what he wanted to see. It truly is shameless if he decided to ignore Frank McGlynn’s contribution to this incident. . Tomas clearly hit McGlynn on the back of the head but the force was minimal. I didn’t see McGlynn connecting with Tomás. It was handbags really. Looked like a kitten slap and I'm not sure it wasn't more on the upper back than the head. Don't think McGlynn even noticed it. Pathetic red card, considering the other stuff going on.
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Post by southward on Aug 1, 2019 21:19:23 GMT
According to the Kerryman Tomas O’Se’s red card has been rescinded. So, what did Dublin Joe report him for? Apparently it was he who alerted the referee to the incident. A striking offence presumably, which according to this decision never occurred. Yet this wretch rides on with impunity , seeing action in Omagh next weekend. It is imperative that this guy not be allowed officiate Kerry games in any capacity in future. Delighted for young Tomas. Peter will surely reward him with some action next Saturday. I don't think Joe McQuillan had anything to do with the red card. Tomas gave his man a clip/push in the back of the head right in front of the ref after a minor altercation. It was a criminally stupid thing to do and on a par with Killian Young's in 2018 v Galway although Killian's was delivered with a bit more force. Tomas has told the world now that he will retaliate after minor provocation and he can expect plenty of it and if he cant deal with it without getting a red card, there is no place for him on the panel I am afraid. Refs will give two yellows for two lads brawling no matter who started it. But they will give red for any striking offence no manner how slight. Sometimes they will. O'Shea had a flurry of punches thrown at him while on the ground and ne'er a card in sight, not even a free. Referee looking straight at it and all.
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 1, 2019 21:37:04 GMT
The Kerry Team to Play Meath on Sat. 3rd. Aug. 1. Shane Ryan 2. Jason Foley. 3. Tadgh Morley. 4. Tom O’Sullivan. 5. Paul Murphy. 6. Gavin Crowley. 7. Shane Enright. 8. David Moran. 9. Adrian Spillane. 10. Gavin White 11. Sean O’Shea. 12. Stephen O’Brien. 13. David Clifford. 14. Paul Geaney. 15. Killian Spillane. The subs. list has not been published. Looks like a real team this time but who knows? Interesting tactic not to publish the subs. If you don't know the subs you can't speculate on the match day changes to the starters. Bet there is some espionage to get hands on an advance copy of the programme. They were extremely short on programs in croker for the Donegal game
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 1, 2019 21:38:47 GMT
Team getting a settled look. Wonder if Tommy Walsh will get a run if the game is in the bag?
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Post by veteran on Aug 1, 2019 21:46:46 GMT
We seem to be getting a lot of interpretations of what led to the red card for Tomas. I did not see what happened but was told it was Dublin Joe who drew the attention of the referee to the incident.
As for getting red cards for a punch, slight or otherwise, as late as last Sunday in the Tiipp/Wexford game in full view of the referee, captured clearly on camera a Tipp player escaped that sanction.for a deft punch to the rib cage. So , it is not true to suggest that all punches will attract a red card. Depends on the disposition of the officials I guess!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 21:53:17 GMT
This clip (which i found elsewhere and uploaded) clears Dublin Joe in this instance it would appear.
I would hate to see Dublin Joe blamed in the wrong!
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Post by john4 on Aug 1, 2019 21:56:40 GMT
. Tomas clearly hit McGlynn on the back of the head but the force was minimal. I didn’t see McGlynn connecting with Tomás. It was handbags really. Looked like a kitten slap and I'm not sure it wasn't more on the upper back than the head. Don't think McGlynn even noticed it. Pathetic red card, considering the other stuff going on. This Tomás o Sé red card incident is symptomatic of the way we tend to be finishing big matches for a few years now. There's loads of examples of silly, lack of composure moments at the end of close, important matches you could point to. We need to be able to see out the big matches without incident to have a chance.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2019 22:02:32 GMT
"game management" is what they call it now and getting a red card is as dumb as it gets.
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Post by homerj on Aug 1, 2019 22:04:14 GMT
my biggest worry from that video is the lack of marking from the kick out....the initial one went straight to an unmarked Donegal man.
unforgivable at such a crucial moment. i count at least 8 men with their backs to the play and a couple more ball watching, i hope this was picked up on video work and stamped out.
if Tomas was watching the keeper , he wouldnt have got involved with his man.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 1, 2019 23:27:26 GMT
Stating the obvious but that is a brill panel we have - compare well to teams that won Sams, only a matter of time, weeks maybe, let's get behind 'em and stall this rantin n ravin about refs 'n' TomásO6 and who will learn, remember what he did in our home games, reminds of his namesake and he is a star in the making.
Good times iz a comin!
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 2, 2019 0:18:20 GMT
I like the look of that team
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