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Post by greengold35 on Jul 2, 2017 19:43:52 GMT
Hard to assess given that Cork played as many expected and showed why they are in Division 2 - Clare probably the second best team in Munster given their display in Ennis. Very little change going forward, half forward line needs tweaking - Powter on Donncha was probably the only match up Cork got right all day - Kevin McCarthy did ok but may struggle to keep his place on the "40" - plenty of options there - Jack Savage, Darran, Buckley - O'Brien on either wing has to start as his direct running will trouble any wing back. Star did well for me - think his leadership is vital to our future as he takes the pressure off both Paul & Jameso and both thrived today - think this is our best inside trio. Great options off the bench, Jack Barry vital to our prospects too. My biggest worry is our last line of defence as I still believe Kelly is too ponderous with our restarts - probably too late to change now.
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Post by tommynk on Jul 2, 2017 21:37:31 GMT
He got a Concussion. He was lucky. Kerry played well but Cork were terrible. Maguire was causing Moran trouble with his pace when he ran at him. That's still the worry for me going forward picking up the runners from deep. Fionn Griffin and Enright were excellent. Crowley Morley and Murphy did well, I can't see no changes with that 6. Moran and Maher did well and Barry when he came on. Mikey Geaney had one of his best games for Kerry. Kevin McCarthy tired hard and did a lot of running. I don'think no.11 is his best position but he did well. Donnacha was poor. He'll struggle to keep his place. O'Brien was very good when he came on. Darren and Buckley also did well. It's hard to leave those three out. Geaney and James were very good. Donaghy gave it everything doesn't have the legs anymore but he tries hard. Killian did ok when he came on apart from the crazy pass to Kelly. Barry John was good again when he came on. That's his best place coming off the bench. Overall good perfomance. Kerry have a strong panel and hopefully that will get them over the next round. I don't think Donnacha will be dropped after one off day. His marker was playing well. When was the last time he didn't start championship when fit?
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Post by johnnybgood on Jul 2, 2017 22:50:56 GMT
How many subs were used today by kerry....had we a blood sub
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Post by southward on Jul 2, 2017 22:54:05 GMT
How many subs were used today by kerry....had we a blood sub Killian came on as a blood sub for Fionn. According to the P.A., anyway.
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Post by johnnybgood on Jul 2, 2017 23:10:29 GMT
Hopefully as we used 7 subs
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 2, 2017 23:33:39 GMT
It was strange being immersed in such a muted atmosphere today. I have been to many Munster finals and this was one of the few that had an air of inevitability from the start. In town beforehand, none of the Cork supporters I spoke to gave them any chance at all. I didn't want to believe them, I thought that there would be a proper kick in Cork today but how wrong I was! They were simply abysmal. There was no shape nor make to the Cork play today. Kerry, by contrast, purred like a well tuned engine. They were breathtakingly brilliantly simple in their play and movement, at times. Kerry knew what to do in possession, Cork didn't.
This game was over as a contest after 10 or 15 minutes. The muted cork support seemed to realise this early enough and the players showed very little of that old Cork arrogance and self belief that put Kerry on the backfoot on many occasions. They accepted defeat, folded the tents and moved meekly along to the qualifiers, where, on all evidence, they should be dispatched without too much difficulty by their next opponents. Hats off to Kerry today, they played some beautiful football in Killarney. It was as good as I've seen under Fitzmaurice. Clean, crisp passing, quick movement of the ball and lethal score taking. Our full forward line really had the Cork defence spinning for most of the game. Speed of thought and movement was amazing, at times. Paul Murphy was my man of the match today, along with Crowley. They were the fulcrum for so many positive movements. Midfield was excellent for a while, faded and then came strong again. David Moran will be happy to have had that game under his belt. Maher was very good, bar a couple of very poor passes. Donncha and Brian Kelly were our 2 poorest performers, in my opinion. Donncha, to be fair, got a lot of treatment from his opposite number and was clearly fouled on 2/3 occasions and didnt get any free at all! This seemed to affect his confidence and his performance dipped therafter. I am not a fan of Brian Kelly's. He didn't instill any confidence in me at all with his kick outs. Against a better team we would have been murdered. We still have the age old problem of backing away when we are being run at. Cork, if they were in anyway clinical should have had at least 2 goals. Other teams will look and see that this fault hasn't been rectified and we will have this used against us in Croke Park in 4 weeks time. Plenty for Éamon to work on, plenty to be optimistic about. Great to have the quarter final to look forward to.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2017 6:20:37 GMT
I thought the ref gave cork a crazy amount of soft frees- about 6 for over carrying - in order to try even it up. Walsh got called a few times, very harshly, and to be honest was being fouled quite a bit by his man
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2017 7:12:02 GMT
Businesslike performance from Kerry yesterday albeit against a very poor and disjointed Cork team. One of the poorest we have seen in a Munster final. 32000 people turned up so the tie is still a major attraction in these parts. The restart remains a shambles, play back David Clarke's approach to the restart and Kelly's and the difference is stark. Clarke is gone for the second ball as the ball drops over the bar or over the end line, Kelly in contrast is ponderous and slow retrieving the ball and doesn't look up . The restart hasn't been addressed to a satisfactory conclusion. Horses for courses, Kieran had a decent game but Kerry will have to guard against PG becoming peripheral in the corner. Although a new line needs time to bed in I'm sure the team will be picked as required for the Croker tests. Kerry will be happy with yesterday's performance, it provided a good platform to push off from.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 3, 2017 8:34:18 GMT
So the way its now set up is
Round 3A pits - games to be played next weekend Clare V Mayo Meath V Donegal
The winners play the runners up in Munster and Connaught on 22/July
Kerry then play one of the teams to come through from this with repeat games avoided where possible on 29/July.
Expectation would be Mayo, Donegal, Cork and Roscommon for round 4A
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Post by glengael on Jul 3, 2017 10:18:11 GMT
Nice to hear that despite everything, Ger Canning hasn't retired the old 'consternation in the defence' in 2017.............
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Post by A.N. Other on Jul 3, 2017 10:23:35 GMT
So the way its now set up is Round 3A pits - games to be played next weekend Clare V Mayo Meath V Donegal The winners play the runners up in Munster and Connaught on 22/July Kerry then play one of the teams to come through from this with repeat games avoided where possible on 29/July. Expectation would be Mayo, Donegal, Cork and Roscommon for round 4A Is it definitely the 29th of July? That's a Saturday. Is there any games on the Sunday?
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Post by jackiel on Jul 3, 2017 10:37:45 GMT
I have a planner from Croke Park Voluntary Stewards which gives Sat 29th as round 4 Qualifiers and Sun 30th as Football Quarter Finals with the other QF on Sat 5th Aug. Not sure if they've made changes as we received it in Feb.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 3, 2017 10:51:36 GMT
I have a planner from Croke Park Voluntary Stewards which gives Sat 29th as round 4 Qualifiers and Sun 30th as Football Quarter Finals with the other QF on Sat 5th Aug. Not sure if they've made changes as we received it in Feb. www.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/GAA website lists both the 4B qualifiers and the first two QF's for Saturday the 29th - all fixtures have TBC beside them so there is some doubt.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 3, 2017 10:58:53 GMT
I assume EF is planning for Mayo by putting Donaghy at 14. Cafferky was rumoured to be injured but he was poor again v Derry.
Brilliant start to each half by Kerry ..four points in four mins at the start of each half. Very positive sign even if Cork were poor.
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Post by seaniebo on Jul 3, 2017 11:12:57 GMT
Arguably I don't think I've seen Cork as bad. Hats off to Alan O Connor. The man would die for Cork football. He must be galled to see the carry on around him. Unfortunately for Cork they totally lack leadership. Some of their players yesterday were as clueless as you're likely to see at this level. It's impossible to fathom how a county like Cork who are immersed in gaa have gone so pear shaped on terms of their senior footballers. For the good of football we badly need Cork back at a decent level. You'd have to feel for the Cork supporters talking to them after the game.
Mark Griffin went down like a sack of spuds yesterday on the terrace side towards the end of the game. He was in agony and for all the world it looked like a season threatening injury. He was either clutching his knee or hamstring and looked ship wrecked. Remarkably he got up and played on but was definitely not comfortable. In the end he was pulled by management and not replaced. Hopefully he'll be ok.. He has become a colossal man for us.
Some of our passages of play yesterday were absolutely phenomenal. As good as I have seen in Eamon's era. Mikey Geaney continues his upward curve. Constantly looking to get on the ball and doing the simple thing to perfection. Chipped in with another couple of scores as well. Maith thú Mikey. He's made of the right stuff.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 3, 2017 11:14:44 GMT
Very unfair if they don't have the Minors and Seniors playing the same weekend.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 3, 2017 11:20:04 GMT
Thought Mikey Geaney was very good today. The 45 he kicked also was the icing on the cake as this has been a problem for us for a few years now. He has come a long way from the start of the league where at times he looked very poor.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 3, 2017 11:23:08 GMT
Arguably I don't think I've seen Cork as bad. Hats off to Alan O Connor. The man would die for Cork football. He must be galled to see the carry on around him. Unfortunately for Cork they totally lack leadership. Some of their players yesterday were as clueless as you're likely to see at this level. It's impossible to fathom how a county like Cork who are immersed in gaa have gone so pear shaped on terms of their senior footballers. For the good of football we badly need Cork back at a decent level. You'd have to feel for the Cork supporters talking to them after the game. Mark Griffin went down like a sack of spuds yesterday on the terrace side towards the end of the game. He was in agony and for all the world it looked like a season threatening injury. He was either clutching his knee or hamstring and looked ship wrecked. Remarkably he got up and played on but was definitely not comfortable. In the end he was pulled by management and not replaced. Hopefully he'll be ok.. He has become a colossal man for us. Some of our passages of play yesterday were absolutely phenomenal. As good as I have seen in Eamon's era. Mikey Geaney continues his upward curve. Constantly looking to get on the ball and doing the simple thing to perfection. Chipped in with another couple of scores as well. Maith thú Mikey. He's made of the right stuff. ^^^^^^^
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 3, 2017 11:27:03 GMT
Hard to assess given that Cork played as many expected and showed why they are in Division 2 - Clare probably the second best team in Munster given their display in Ennis. Very little change going forward, half forward line needs tweaking - Powter on Donncha was probably the only match up Cork got right all day - Kevin McCarthy did ok but may struggle to keep his place on the "40" - plenty of options there - Jack Savage, Darran, Buckley - O'Brien on either wing has to start as his direct running will trouble any wing back. Star did well for me - think his leadership is vital to our future as he takes the pressure off both Paul & Jameso and both thrived today - think this is our best inside trio. Great options off the bench, Jack Barry vital to our prospects too. My biggest worry is our last line of defence as I still believe Kelly is too ponderous with our restarts - probably too late to change now. I think O'Brien might be more effective off the bench using his speed to hurt teams. A bit like how Dublin use Kevin McManamon.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 3, 2017 11:27:07 GMT
Very unfair if they don't have the Minors and Seniors playing the same weekend. I understand that seniors will play on Sunday 30th with a 2 pm start; minors will have to play on August bank holiday week end , likely to be a double header in Thurkes along with Clare. U-17s still due to play on August week end - Croke Park not budging on this to date.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2017 11:27:30 GMT
Hmmm with some of the high & frontal challenges that Alan O Connor puts in- I think it is more apt to say that he would kill for Cork football
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 3, 2017 11:42:28 GMT
Very unfair if they don't have the Minors and Seniors playing the same weekend. At the QF stage the minors and seniors rarely play on the same bill - most minor QF's played at provincial venues. Can remember seeing them in Thurles, Newbridge and Tullamore over the years for QF's.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 3, 2017 11:43:29 GMT
Hmmm with some of the high & frontal challenges that Alan O Connor puts in- I think it is more apt to say that he would kill for Cork football Jack Barry gave him plenty of it yesterday when he came on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 11:57:14 GMT
Alan O'Connor looked away off the pace yesterday. Age and legs have caught up to him. It's hard to play inter county in your 30s nowadays. An awful lot of running involved now. The kick outs again were another issue yesterday. Some of Kellys kick outs were poor but he's not all at fault for all of it. A lot of time there was no movement for him. It is something to work on for the quarters. I think we know now where Paul Murphy should be playing wing back is his position. He was excellent again yesterday there. Fitzmaurice will probably start the same team for the quarters unless we have an injury to a player. Great subs to bring in. They all played well yesterday. It will be interesting to see if Bryan Sheehan Jack Savage or Briain O'Beaglaoich can make their way back onto the bench for the next match. Three good players also.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 3, 2017 12:16:30 GMT
Kerry were excellent yesterday without having to come out of 2ND gear. Cork were abysmal however it was not surprising their form suggested this would be the outcome. Our FF line must be the best in Ireland at the moment, they were a joy to watch JOD s PG will put the fear of god in any defense. We will certainly have a tougher QF than previous years but we need it. Well done EF and the team for a great result. Will be several years before a game against Cork in Killarney that was a good way to sign off!
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Post by jackiel on Jul 3, 2017 12:44:15 GMT
Hmmm with some of the high & frontal challenges that Alan O Connor puts in- I think it is more apt to say that he would kill for Cork football Jack Barry gave him plenty of it yesterday when he came on. yes of course, fuzzy head today, jumping ahead of myself.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 3, 2017 13:26:06 GMT
Great performance. I wonder is the fluency because of Maurice Fitzgerald's influence starting to come through.
The team is very well set up now. P Geaney and JOD will start every game if fit. Donaghy to start if physical presence needed especially against Dublin. If speed is needed to complete the attack there is O'Brien, Darran and Lyne. If attackers that can take a hit needed there is McCarthy M Geaney and Donnchadh. Then there is Barry John and Savage for those vital scores. Mix and match as required.
Jack Barry proved that he can play at the highest level.
The incident where Killian gave away the 45 has to be looked at by management. Against Dublin that could easily result in a goal. O'Callaghan would be on it like a cheetah and it would be fed to Mannion at the edge of the square. All players must be tuned in at all times.
From what I saw of Shanahan in the league final he is very unlucky not to be starting.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 3, 2017 13:50:18 GMT
What do we "owe" Cork in terms of games to be palyed in Pairc Ui Chaoimhe?
2014 game played in Cork as scheduled 2015 game in Killarney as scheduled 2015 replay - played Killarney out of schedule 2016 Cork defeated by Tipp 2017 game fixed for Cork (in return for 2015 replay?) but played in Killarney 2018 assuming Cork/Kerry make it would be Pairc Ui Chaoimhe 2019 assuming Cork/Kerry make it would be Pairc Ui Chaoimhe (owed game) 2020 Cork venue 2021 Killarney??
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 3, 2017 14:46:38 GMT
One of the Kerry players (SOB?) picked the ball up with his knee but was blown for it. Didn't Gooch do something similar in Croke Park and was let play on?
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Post by playitfair on Jul 3, 2017 14:50:02 GMT
What do we "owe" Cork in terms of games to be palyed in Pairc Ui Chaoimhe? 2014 game played in Cork as scheduled 2015 game in Killarney as scheduled 2015 replay - played Killarney out of schedule - Should have been Cork2016 Cork defeated by Tipp 2017 game fixed for Cork (in return for 2015 replay?) but played in Killarney - Should have been Cork2018 assuming Cork/Kerry make it would be Pairc Ui Chaoimhe (owed game)2019 assuming Cork/Kerry make it would be Pairc Ui Chaoimhe (owed game)2020 Cork venue 2021 Killarney?? I think you're right.
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