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Post by keane on Jul 3, 2017 15:24:25 GMT
One of the Kerry players (SOB?) picked the ball up with his knee but was blown for it. Didn't Gooch do something similar in Croke Park and was let play on? That was Crowley. I think Gooch might have done it with his feet rather than his knees, which may or may not make a difference.
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Post by mandad on Jul 3, 2017 15:37:28 GMT
If Ireland is selected for the Rugby World Cup 2023, and if Killarney is a venue, Fitzgerald Stadium will need a major overhaul and will have to be out of commission for a considerable time. I hear people talking about knocking away the old stand and a complete rebuild. Realistically, that would be the most practical solution but it would cost a sizeable amount of funding which has not been decided on yet. A lot of ‘iffs’ there but hopefully the fixtures owed to Cork will not be wasted.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2017 16:05:36 GMT
If Ireland is selected for the Rugby World Cup 2023, and if Killarney is a venue, Fitzgerald Stadium will need a major overhaul and will have to be out of commission for a considerable time. I hear people talking about knocking away the old stand and a complete rebuild. Realistically, that would be the most practical solution but it would cost a sizeable amount of funding which has not been decided on yet. A lot of ‘iffs’ there but hopefully the fixtures owed to Cork will not be wasted. Kerry should insist on a mid-term game in Killarney. Four years is too long to wait for a home Munster final!!!
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 3, 2017 16:07:38 GMT
Nice to see the 92 Clare team yesterday, hard to believe it's 25 years!
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 3, 2017 19:52:05 GMT
Nice to see the 92 Clare team yesterday, hard to believe it's 25 years! It is nice to see teams acknowledged 25 years later but I thought the whole thing dragged on far too long. The gave a biography of over 20 players that took about 1 minute per player over those penetrating 1960's speakers. This was while the players were warming up and the crowd watched them to get a feel for the the game - the real reason they had travelled. Players being honoured should line up, and as they are introduced to the crowd step forward and wave. That's enough.
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Post by veteran on Jul 3, 2017 21:48:37 GMT
Historically this was the type of Munster final tailor made for a Cork ambush. Because of this I urged caution while others here predicted a facile win for Kerry. These latter group were vindicated in their assessment. Of course, I always want Kerry to win but there was something anaemic about this Cork performance which does not lend itself to the usual jubilation on foot of a victory. It was as anaemic, if not more so, as the 2014 Cork display. I do not know why this has come to pass but I lived for several years in Cork and I know there are huge swathes of the Cork population who ,while staunchly supporting Cork hurling, passionately rank football as their number one game. Those people must be utterly demoralised and utterly baffled. Huge numbers of Cork people blame all their GAA travails on the Frank Murphy. I wonder if this contention stands up scrutiny. It is not that long ago that Cork hurling was as abysmal as Cork football. They sustained embarrassing massacres and could not buy a victory in any grade. Now, their senior hurlers are genuine All-Ireland fancies and their minors have progressed to the Munster final. All this in spite of the continued presence of the bould Frank! It maybe that Cork GAA folk should look elsewhere for a whipping boy. Admittedly, I am offering these comments from a distant remove and perhaps our Cork contributers could offer a more enlightened insight.
Enough about Cork. It is clear that EF treated Cork with the same respect he would Dublin and had them prepared accordingly and he must commended for that. By and large it was a fine performance, much better over the seventy minutes than the Clare display. Of course, maybe the stuttering performance against Clare is due to them being superior to Cork at present. It will be very interesting to see how Clare fare at home against an improving Mayo side.
While Cork did come into it in the latter part of the first half they were interred with little fuss in the first ten minutes or so of the second half. Once we regained our midfield grip it was just a matter of what the winning margin would be, so feeble was the Cork resistance now. One source of consolation for Cork supporters that young players like Ian Maguire, Kevin Crowley and Sean Powter were among their better performers. It must be recorded also that the referee did his bit for them giving a handful of illogical decisions.
I am not a huge fan of Brian Kelly. Or perhaps, it would be better to say that he does not convince me. There was a time when preventing goals was a goalie's principal function, only function I suppose , and in that scene one would be reluctant to criticise Brian. Ditto for Brendan. In the modern era the kicks out have assumed inordinate importance. In that aspect of play, Brian sometimes gives me the shivers. He has this tendency to keep his head down until the last minute thereby missing runs that are made outfield, albeit sometimes the runs are halfhearted. In an era when high fielding is making a comeback due the mark, would it not be wiser to drive it out to midfield rather than risking an interception or sending it over the sideline. I lost count of the number of times the poor Clare minor goalie delivered it over the sideline. In any case , Kerry will need to do much better in that respect.
All the full back line were never less than competent with Mark Griffin gaining in confidence game by game. He seemed to sustain a knee injury towards the end but played on as far as I could see. I hope Fionn makes a complete recovery. He was very tidy yesterday.
The half back line was hugely impressive. Peter carried on where he left off against Clare. Aiden Walsh was his surprising opponent and on two occasions he outfielded Aiden. Whatever happened this once great white hope of Cork football? I am not sure if Aiden finished the game yesterday, so anonymous was he. A shame. We seem to have discovered a nugget in Tadgh Morley at CHB. He was more than a match for the crafty Mark Collins. What a joy it was to see the marauding ferret at work on the other wing. Paul gives that backline a water tight dimension while choosing his moment to stray from his normal habitat with profit. Back at home at last.
David got a bellyful of it from Ian Maguire in the first half but asserted him as the game went on. I had fears that we would not see the real Anthony Maher again. Yesterday he was as good as he has ever been. Looselimbed and confident and delivering those incisive kick passes. But most joyful for was me was his anxiety to grab that high ball again and we saw little if any of his uncertain breaking of the ball. Keep climbing and catching Anthony. Anthony's display is putting it up to Jack Barry . However, Jack did not shirk the challenge when he came, getting on a lot of ball and catching one spectacular one over Alan O'Coonor.
Doncha found young Sean Powter too fast and too tenacious. However, the referee was very harsh on him at times and some of the tackling was of a dubious variety.
Kevin McCarhy was much more effective than against Clare. I can see what EF sees in him. If he could have the confidence to occasionally go for this own score he would make a better impact but there is a lot to like about him. Michael Geaney also improved on his Clare form. I had a good view of him in the first half. He was drifting back a lot , presumably that his detail. However, on about three different occasions when Peter or Tadgh had possession he tended to drift in behind them to take a pass and pass it on again. The obvious thing and the more progressive thing to do was to burst forward into open space, there was plenty of it in his selected possition, and take the pass going forward from the half back. Perhaps that play will come but it is taking time.
There is no need to speak about the trio inside. KD made an out and out nuisance of himself. The goal was a case in point. He jumped for a high one with two Cork backs , it broke to Paul and it was a case of good night Vienna. How often have we seen those breaks heartbreakingly snapped up by a defender. It will be fascinating to see the use EF makes of KD in future games. I feel he will be a key man of and on the field.
Johny Buckley shone he came on. Killian looked rusty but no doubt he will ensure he is ready for future contests.
PS I don't think I have ever such a big Kerry crowd present for the start of a minor match. Could it be the presence of David Clifford was the magnet. The more I see of this man the more I can see an uncanny resemblance to the languid, balletic style of Maurice Fitzgerald. In the first half I was bemoaning the fact that we tended to put too much through him . However when he went off Donal O'Sullivan from Kilgavan came forward and scored about 2-5 from play. This u17 is a prospect. Certainly not a one man boy band if you get my drift.
PPS Only saw the last twenty minutes of the Leinster hurling final. Galway have the whiff of champions . Could be a Cork Galway final.Johnny Clifford was a former Cork star and hurling manager. He once said that a properly coached Cork team would always beat a Galway team. A touch of arrogance but of course it was devilishy clever. If Cork didn't beat them he could plead that they were not properly coached!
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Post by southward on Jul 3, 2017 22:00:41 GMT
If Ireland is selected for the Rugby World Cup 2023, and if Killarney is a venue, Fitzgerald Stadium will need a major overhaul and will have to be out of commission for a considerable time. I hear people talking about knocking away the old stand and a complete rebuild. Realistically, that would be the most practical solution but it would cost a sizeable amount of funding which has not been decided on yet. A lot of ‘iffs’ there but hopefully the fixtures owed to Cork will not be wasted. Kerry should insist on a mid-term game in Killarney. Four years is too long to wait for a home Munster final!!!This is assuming we get to play Cork at all. The way things are at the moment, it's not unlikely that we have a Killarney final next year against Clare.
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Post by southward on Jul 3, 2017 22:02:57 GMT
Kerry should insist on a mid-term game in Killarney. Four years is too long to wait for a home Munster final!!! This is assuming we get to play Cork at all. The way things are at the moment, it's not unlikely that we have Killarney final next year against Clare. And I suppose we shouldn't assume that we'll be there either
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Post by veteran on Jul 3, 2017 22:04:01 GMT
Nice to see the 92 Clare team yesterday, hard to believe it's 25 years! It is nice to see teams acknowledged 25 years later but I thought the whole thing dragged on far too long. The gave a biography of over 20 players that took about 1 minute per player over those penetrating 1960's speakers. This was while the players were warming up and the crowd watched them to get a feel for the the game - the real reason they had travelled. Players being honoured should line up, and as they are introduced to the crowd step forward and wave. That's enough. Totally agree with you. Introduce the players and applaud them. Indeed I am sure the players would be happy with just that.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 4, 2017 0:22:46 GMT
Question: was Oigí Moran much of a scorer?
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 4, 2017 6:24:10 GMT
Question: was Oigí Moran much of a scorer? Ogie scored 0-42 in championship games for Kerry. He has the highest point total without scoring a goal. Next highest non-goal scorers in championship football are John Kennedy 0-26, Tommy Doyle 0-25, Johnny Buckley 0-24 and Marc O'Se 0-13.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 4, 2017 8:01:06 GMT
Question: was Oigí Moran much of a scorer? No. Oigi would not be regarded as a scorer. He would take a point if the opportunity was there of course. Oigi was a very similar player to Paul Murphy of the present team, a very good handler of the ball but much faster that Paul. His main role was unsettle the centre back with his speed - Sheehy, Egan, Spillane & co did the rest.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 4, 2017 10:53:37 GMT
The reason I ask is to query whether Kevin McCarthy might be a similar player.
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Post by piggott on Jul 4, 2017 11:03:01 GMT
Of the 22 players who got game time on Sunday, only Tadhg Morley, Kevin McCarthy, and Jack Barry did not feature in 2014 campaign.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 4, 2017 11:36:17 GMT
Of the 22 players who got game time on Sunday, only Tadhg Morley, Kevin McCarthy, and Jack Barry did not feature in 2014 campaign. James O Donoghue made a good point in his Sunday Game interview about a lot of the players reaching peak age, 26-27, at the moment. Mike Quirke also tweeted that 8 of the team hammered by Cork in the U21 Munster Final 2011 played on Sunday for Kerry. If we can have 8 of this years U21 team playing in 2023 we would be happy with that?
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 4, 2017 12:17:17 GMT
The reason I ask is to query whether Kevin McCarthy might be a similar player. In my opinion they are not at all similar. They bring totally different contributions to the team.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 4, 2017 12:20:57 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 4, 2017 12:29:43 GMT
Selfless would best describe Ogie as he subjugated his talents in the interests of the team. He could kick a score off either foot when needed. He kicked a crucial one with the left v Dublin in 1984...a momentum shifter after Barneys goal.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 4, 2017 15:44:41 GMT
I was a bit disappointed that Sean O'Shea didn't get a run. Seemed like the ideal opportunity to throw him in for the last 10 minutes away.
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Post by fitz on Jul 4, 2017 17:12:26 GMT
Yet again re: goal chances conceded, we come away with the vulnerability when teams run at us. It is true. The real cause of this imo is our two midfielders, maybe on occasion half forwards not tracking properly, but for focus here is midfielders. For both - they have a serious amount of weaponry (fielding, foot passing, scoring of both feet the main three) BUT pace is their Achilles heel.
Ian Maguire in first half on Dave was a classic example. If a midfielder especially gets a run on his counterpart, then our back six are in trouble between staying with their own men and then the alarm bells of the marauder getting close to goals. Invariably the man closest to the attacker will have to attack the ball, so a man is left free.
Not all goal chances come via this manner - Tomas Clancy just going for it early in second half. This is just a 1:1 issue, these things happen, a marker gets beaten on occasion. The midfield is a consistent worry in this regard and I believe provides significant input into our black card stats and high free counts given in recent years.
I don't know how to fix it without blunting our own armour
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Post by playitfair on Jul 4, 2017 17:45:25 GMT
The reason I ask is to query whether Kevin McCarthy might be a similar player. In my opinion they are not at all similar. They bring totally different contributions to the team. i I agree they are very different players but both are fulfilling a role for their team which was not primarily score getting.
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Post by playitfair on Jul 4, 2017 17:45:40 GMT
The reason I ask is to query whether Kevin McCarthy might be a similar player. In my opinion they are not at all similar. They bring totally different contributions to the team. i I agree they are very different players but both are fulfilling a role for their team which was not primarily score getting.
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Post by southward on Jul 4, 2017 18:01:36 GMT
Yet again re: goal chances conceded, we come away with the vulnerability when teams run at us. It is true. The real cause of this imo is our two midfielders, maybe on occasion half forwards not tracking properly, but for focus here is midfielders. For both - they have a serious amount of weaponry (fielding, foot passing, scoring of both feet the main three) BUT pace is their Achilles heel. Ian Maguire in first half on Dave was a classic example. If a midfielder especially gets a run on his counterpart, then our back six are in trouble between staying with their own men and then the alarm bells of the marauder getting close to goals. Invariably the man closest to the attacker will have to attack the ball, so a man is left free. Not all goal chances come via this manner - Tomas Clancy just going for it early in second half. This is just a 1:1 issue, these things happen, a marker gets beaten on occasion. The midfield is a consistent worry in this regard and I believe provides significant input into our black card stats and high free counts given in recent years. I don't know how to fix it without blunting our own armourYou probably can't. The only way to ensure you don't occasionally get caught through the middle is to play a blanket defence for the entire game. And thereby surrendering, to a large extent, our attacking potential. Sure who wants that, it's lowest common denominator stuff and not worth it overall. Bottom line - we can't have everything, no team can.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 4, 2017 20:09:16 GMT
Very good article here on the game. www.the42.ie/kerry-cork-tactical-analysis-3476784-Jul2017/Very relevant to the discussion in terms of Cork's goal chances versus a commitment to attacking football from Kerry. The detailed analysis of how bad Cork's defending was spot-on. They hadn't a clue what they were doing, it was the same type of defending you'd see in an U8s game.
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Post by homerj on Jul 4, 2017 23:16:09 GMT
I was a bit disappointed that Sean O'Shea didn't get a run. Seemed like the ideal opportunity to throw him in for the last 10 minutes away. Just like the clare tipp and clare games last year, no chances given to the young lads. Very disappointing.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 5, 2017 6:39:28 GMT
I was a bit disappointed that Sean O'Shea didn't get a run. Seemed like the ideal opportunity to throw him in for the last 10 minutes away. Just like the clare tipp and clare games last year, no chances given to the young lads. Very disappointing. The League is the place where the young lads should get their chances although I suppose when the game was beyond doubt some of the old stagers could have stayed on the bench. But it could have also been important to see the game form of players likely to start or feature in tougher matches. Sideline decisions should be based on the right replacement for the time not the age of the sub. The young ones are young enough to get their chances later on.
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Post by homerj on Jul 5, 2017 9:33:36 GMT
Just like the clare tipp and clare games last year, no chances given to the young lads. Very disappointing. The League is the place where the young lads should get their chances although I suppose when the game was beyond doubt some of the old stagers could have stayed on the bench. But it could have also been important to see the game form of players likely to start or feature in tougher matches. Sideline decisions should be based on the right replacement for the time not the age of the sub. The young ones are young enough to get their chances later on. or they may all piss off to America! thats two years in a row now where seriously good lads, with all ireland minor medals are being ignored. Dublin, Tyrone and all the other counties are bringing in their best young players. we seem to be the only county not doing it and we have the best of the lot.
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Post by kot on Jul 5, 2017 9:48:59 GMT
I was a bit disappointed that Sean O'Shea didn't get a run. Seemed like the ideal opportunity to throw him in for the last 10 minutes away. Just like the clare tipp and clare games last year, no chances given to the young lads. Very disappointing. Agreed, we have seen BJK & J. Lyne enough in the last few years to know what they can & cannot do. Although it would be hard to make a call on Sean O Shea for example if he was "ready" if he came on for the last 10 mins in Sunday's damp squib. Is Ó Beaglaoich injured?
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 5, 2017 10:01:06 GMT
Just like the clare tipp and clare games last year, no chances given to the young lads. Very disappointing. Agreed, we have seen BJK & J. Lyne enough in the last few years to know what they can & cannot do. Although it would be hard to make a call on Sean O Shea for example if he was "ready" if he came on for the last 10 mins in Sunday's damp squib. Is Ó Beaglaoich injured? Seanie is still 18 - turns 19 this month. I think he is being exposed to the senior set up and would be surprised to see him get game time time year. His time will come but the level the game is at means lads need to be introduced gradually to give them the best chance of long term success. His go forward game is very good but other aspects may still need honing and his being on the bench is great experience for him. The minors have done the same over the past number of years with great success - 8/9 lads from the U17' age group were brought along and they provided the core of the following years team even though they got minimal game time their first year. They knew the ropes and were able to guide newer players. I am happy to see this longer term view being applied and I think its very positive and maximises the chances of success.
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Post by dbrown on Jul 5, 2017 11:19:21 GMT
I want to congraulate both Kerry senior and minor teams for outstanding performances last Sunday. I notice on the Peoples republic of Cork gaa board, there is a few posters suggesting Thomas o Sé to be approached for next Cork manager, this is despite the vast majority of those same posters showing utter contempt for the Kerry football team and indeed their supporters, majority of the posters go far beyond the acceptable banter that should be between fans, and it borders on racial content, the previous Cork gaa site " Rebel gaa" had to be closed down for the reasons ive outlined, if Thomas has any Kerry Pride left in him, or if indeed he peeped into the same PROC gaa forum at any time, im sure he would give the Cork gaa managers job if offered it a resounding no thank you.
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