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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 11, 2017 15:18:50 GMT
To recap,all we want is a level playing field: 1:David Gough (the unsighted one) is teaching and living in Dublin,is chairman of the Dublin primary School Board Cumann na mBunscol Ath Cliath and an active member of a Dublin club.Any of those should have ruled him out. 2:Coldrick:Teaches and lives in Dublin.His children wear Dublin jerseys around the home area.Why not,yes why not but getting too close to be appointed to referee a Kerry Dublin match.I hope I'm not getting his Kerry neighbours in Dublin in trouble. 3:McQuillan:Finally Uncle Joe, Uncle is Uncle Joe,no need to elaborate. I know its history now and time to drop it but look what happened on Sunday last when we got fair play. Ah... I'd check the accuracy of this.... Coldrick works for Irish Life and is not a teacher. His partner is involved with Croke Park. He is a quality ref but I do think he shouldn't ref matches involving Dublin. Not because I feel he is biased but for his own sake. I don't believe he should be put in that situation. when you are appointed to referee an All Ireland final, you don't refuse! You may not get another so you can't blame Gough, Joe or Coldrick but blame the people who appointed them.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2017 15:26:56 GMT
Coldrick shouldnt be linesman either. Someone conned maurice deegan last year into giving lee keegan a black card
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Post by fitz on Apr 11, 2017 16:08:47 GMT
Dublin are past it? Christ almighty - close this thread, it's descended into farce i think Dublin still have better players than us and its going to be another 18 months before we can challenge them to win an all ireland. all this talk of Dublins demise, are just nonsense, too many lads getting carried away after sunday . Undeniable. It's nonsense. Dublin are going nowhere. They are still rightly the favourites for Sam, and we'll need to get our injured guys back + a couple of the 21s (and they to work out) to give us a decent shot, if we meet again. It's no harm to enjoy the win as well. It was well deserved and that players and management and supporters have had many a bad day since 2011 from losses to Dublin. It is a national title too, it's not Sam, but it's not nothing either, and regardless of who played well or not for Dublin, we did close the game out, where previously we wilted. We wouldn't want to be getting ahead of ourselves thinking about Dublin too much either. Whatever anyone thinks about Mayo, not closing out finals, they are a formidable Championship team, and we'll need to be on our A game to get passed them.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 11, 2017 16:12:23 GMT
Plenty of GAA supporters of all colours live in Dublin. I doubt if any of them have adopted Dublin as their 2nd favourite team just yet. Unless you're Bernard Brogans Ma! Sure you had Kildare supporters hanging around for the main event last Sunday openly telling us that they stayed just in the hope that Dublin were beaten. Half of Kildare work in Dublin. They feckin hate us. Seamus Aldridge anyone! But its different for Gough and Coldrick? This whole angle of refs being against Kerry when they play Dublin is completely overblown by some Kerry supporters. The optics are poor when Kerry beat Dublin for the first time in a while and everyone nods their head sagely and agrees the previous difficulties Kerry had were ref related. Fitzmaurice said what he said last week, ostensibly to "protect his players" but in reality to influence and pressurise an inexperienced referee. No issue with that aspect, they all do it on occasion. But he then listed off a charge sheet of Dublin offences, sounding very much like an aggrieved supporter. But when he mentioned Declan O'Sullivan being taken out of it in 2011, he should have perhaps mentioned that Declan should not have been on the pitch himself at that stage, seeing as he was already on a yellow after a tangle with Rory O'Carroll by the time he threw his elbow into Kevin Nolan's head. Thought he should have mentioned it purely in the interests of balance, because Eamonns message was all about balance last week apparently. The biggest irony of all in 2011 was Donaghy going down as if hit by sniper fire when Brennan put his hand towards Donaghy's face. Dublin had originally been awarded a free, but KDs theatrics ensured the ref threw up the ball, which Fennell won and was worked downfield for the Cluxton winner. Joe McQuillan was the man who changed the decision from a Dublin free to a throw ball on the basis of KDs antics funnily enough. Anyway, the net point here is that we can all pick instances in isolation and point to them as reasons why the ref was against us. I've been doing it myself for years, muttering away like some nutcase on exiting Croke Park. But its difficult to believe that there is a high level conspiracy taking place in the corridors of power to ensure that Kerry don't get a fair crack when they play Dublin. And you certainly cannot base it on incidents looked at in isolation. Lastly, thought the ref was decent last Sunday, no complaints from me anyway, especially considering his inexperience. Just out of interest... How many steps did McMenamon take in scoring the goal in 2011?To answer the question, I think he took 6 or 7 steps. But you are either missing my point or deliberately missing my point, which is that you cannot look at a charge sheet of incidents on one side of the ledger only and point to this as evidence of a conspiracy theory. Now my question to you, how many steps do you think Moran took on Sunday when he kicked his last point off balance? Don't bother checking the video because the answer is 9. Now I am being deliberately childish here with the "he said she said routine", but if its what I have to do to help you understand the bigger picture, well its been worth it. But somehow I think you are quite content with the head in the sand role where the hurt of the 2011 - 2016 years now translates as grassy knoll conspiracy. So be it. We are all entitled to an opinion.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 11, 2017 16:13:41 GMT
Just want to add my two pence h'penny to this.
ALL the top teams in every sport will do whatever it takes to win. This definitely includes both Kerry and Dublin. Some posters on here going on with ol' guff trying to portray us as the total purists. Kerry teams have always had a rough 'n' tumble and a hard physicality to their game. It's when we've neglected that element we've gone astray. You've to win the battle first before you have the right to play. The diamond must be hewn from the rock before it's polished. To anyone who disagrees I say you don't know your Kerry football history. I can't abide all this fantasy football purity nonsense. Toughen the hell up and meet the challenge head on.
I've said previously that all we needed was a 1% or 2 % swing in fortunes to turn recent losses in victories. We got the breaks on Sunday when we hadn't previously.
Regardless of the ref if they are living in a county they shouldn't be put in the position of reffing a game involving them. This should also be the case if there is an apparent conflic t of interest. This is only common sense.
Speaking of common sense ...Dubs will be strong for the majority of years ahead. They are still the no.1 team and have got their act together. There are 5 / 6 teams that fancy getting their hands on Sam and we have no new found divine right to it. While the future looks bright for Kerry one great win in April doesn't change everything.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 11, 2017 16:16:34 GMT
Fitzy DID NOT attempt to portray us as whiter than white. He merely sought to call out some of the sanctimonious claptrap spouted by others in relation to Dublin.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 11, 2017 16:29:08 GMT
Just out of interest... How many steps did McMenamon take in scoring the goal in 2011?To answer the question, I think he took 6 or 7 steps. But you are either missing my point or deliberately missing my point, which is that you cannot look at a charge sheet of incidents on one side of the ledger only and point to this as evidence of a conspiracy theory. Now my question to you, how many steps do you think Moran took on Sunday when he kicked his last point off balance? Don't bother checking the video because the answer is 9. Now I am being deliberately childish here with the "he said she said routine", but if its what I have to do to help you understand the bigger picture, well its been worth it. But somehow I think you are quite content with the head in the sand role where the hurt of the 2011 - 2016 years now translates as grassy knoll conspiracy. So be it. We are all entitled to an opinion. McMenamon took 11 steps to score that goal. David Moran was being fouled when he kicked that point and to give a free out which I take it is what your saying would have caused uproar. Again, McMenamon took 11 Eleven steps.... 5/6 you could forgive but 11 looks wrong in any man's book!
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Post by ballybunion on Apr 11, 2017 17:16:15 GMT
Ciarrailar:I agree with you,those who appointed those refs under these circumstances were to blame,not the refs themselves.What ref would refuse an All Ireland final!Yes Coldrick is with Irish Life Gough is the teacher. Having again looked at the video of the unawarded but admitted Kerry free by Gough,I dont believe one bit of the unsighted balony.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 11, 2017 17:41:02 GMT
To answer the question, I think he took 6 or 7 steps. But you are either missing my point or deliberately missing my point, which is that you cannot look at a charge sheet of incidents on one side of the ledger only and point to this as evidence of a conspiracy theory. Now my question to you, how many steps do you think Moran took on Sunday when he kicked his last point off balance? Don't bother checking the video because the answer is 9. Now I am being deliberately childish here with the "he said she said routine", but if its what I have to do to help you understand the bigger picture, well its been worth it. But somehow I think you are quite content with the head in the sand role where the hurt of the 2011 - 2016 years now translates as grassy knoll conspiracy. So be it. We are all entitled to an opinion. McMenamon took 11 steps to score that goal. David Moran was being fouled when he kicked that point and to give a free out which I take it is what your saying would have caused uproar. Again, McMenamon took 11 Eleven steps.... 5/6 you could forgive but 11 looks wrong in any man's book! Again I am being extremely petty here but seeing as you insist it's 11 steps I just took the time to check it on Youtube there. By my count he took 7 steps and if I am being generous to you he took at the most 8. I don't know how to upload the relevant piece of video on here to prove it but I'm happy for others to do so. So yes it was a technically a foul, but again the legend grows as the years pass and you have managed to bump it up to 11. On the Moran one, he was being challenged while moving. This is not the same as a foul as players are allowed to tackle. We are going round in circles now so we may as well park this before a neutral calls you out on your 11 steps claim.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 11, 2017 18:07:56 GMT
Awww boys would ye ever give it a rest.
It's petty and takes away from what was a great game on Sunday between two top teams
We got the majority of the breaks on Sunday. The Dubs have got the majority in some other clashes.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 11, 2017 18:20:43 GMT
Vincent Linnane the Kerry kit man passed away suddenly today. RIP, he was sitting with the subs on Sunday, I think the win on Sunday will give him a bit to talk about on the other side.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 11, 2017 18:30:40 GMT
Dublin are past it, over their peak, and you think they are there for 5 more years, what will that be in a row? I didn't mention The Kerry Ingredient, but yes, we can be tops and we will be -the carriages are circling and we will win 3 of the next 4/5 Sams. Dublin lose by a point in the league having won 36 games on the bounce and the tide is turning? Eh ok then. If all goes to plan you will be meeting Mayo and Mayo are the team that have been closest to the Dubs the past 5 years. I find your disdain for both quite astonishing really and your reference to the Kerry ingredient arrogant in the extreme. Kerry are on the up and it is unfortunate that it upsets you. What is arrogant about The Kerry Ingredient, the 'Kerry' or the 'ingredient'. Like any recipe, Kerry football has it's inputs and we have the greatest football pedigree in terms of our culture and standards. Is that something to be ashamed of? We have won more All Irelands and we will win 3 of the next 5.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 11, 2017 18:31:59 GMT
Boys would ye ever give it a rest. It's petty and takes away from what was a great game on Sunday between two top teams We got the majority of the breaks on Sunday. The Dubs have got the majority in some other clashes. I agree with all of this.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 11, 2017 18:36:25 GMT
Vincent Linnane the Kerry kit man passed away suddenly today. RIP, he was sitting with the subs on Sunday, I think the win on Sunday will give him a bit to talk about on the other side. Feck it. Is this confirmed ? Awful news. Had plenty dealings with Vince through the years and always found him most obliging and a gentleman. Very sad news indeed.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 11, 2017 18:38:43 GMT
Dublin are past it, over their peak, and you think they are there for 5 more years, what will that be in a row? I didn't mention The Kerry Ingredient, but yes, we can be tops and we will be -the carriages are circling and we will win 3 of the next 4/5 Sams. I think you said this in 2014 also! Its nice that the rest of us are only keeping the throne warm for you! Dublin were the greatest football team of all time in '14 as I recall, and we know what happened then. Dublin have had a great run and our youngsters took ye down on Sunday at what was their first shot at yez at out home venue which is Croker, yez are ageing and we have uncapped a fountain of Kerry young talent that will be more formidable with every game. Monaghan are a team that can also do it but not great outside of Ulster -also a small population, say v Louth. Up da Kingdom!
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Post by southward on Apr 11, 2017 18:46:20 GMT
I think you said this in 2014 also! Its nice that the rest of us are only keeping the throne warm for you! Dublin were the greatest football team of all time in '14 as I recall, and we know what happened then. Dublin have had a great run and our youngsters took ye down on Sunday at what was their first shot at yez at out home venue which is Croker, yez are ageing and we have uncapped a fountain of Kerry young talent that will be more formidable with every game. Monaghan are a team that can also do it but not great outside of Ulster -also a small population, say v Louth. Up da Kingdom! FFS, Bally, will you give over with your nonsense. Skybluezone: please stop responding to his nonsense.
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Post by farneysarmy on Apr 11, 2017 19:12:31 GMT
Dublin lose by a point in the league having won 36 games on the bounce and the tide is turning? Eh ok then. If all goes to plan you will be meeting Mayo and Mayo are the team that have been closest to the Dubs the past 5 years. I find your disdain for both quite astonishing really and your reference to the Kerry ingredient arrogant in the extreme. Kerry are on the up and it is unfortunate that it upsets you. What is arrogant about The Kerry Ingredient, the 'Kerry' or the 'ingredient'. Like any recipe, Kerry football has it's inputs and we have the greatest football pedigree in terms of our culture and standards. Is that something to be ashamed of? We have won more All Irelands and we will win 3 of the next 5. Just calling it as I see it. All the best.
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Post by MeathExile on Apr 11, 2017 19:20:02 GMT
Jeez lads, I didn't mean to start WW3 over the ref thing. All we want is somebody from a neutral province not living in the opposition county. If calls go against any team after that then it's law of averages stuff. Whoever picks the refs for games should know better. It just brings un-necessary question marks to the situation.
To add to the balance ....we will do well to get over Mayo in semi (IF we beat Cork/Tipp),IF Mayo beat Galway,and IF both of us beat quarter finalists. And whoever comes trough may not even face the Dubs - Meath/Kildare/Donegal/Tyrone/Monaghan may well have a say yet. Sport can be funny at times - not all goes as expected.
News of Dublin's demise is greatly exaggerated. I would not be surprised to see a shuffling of the pack in favour of Mannion (probably their best forward), Costello/Callaghan. Gavin will not be afraid to make the changes.....
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Post by fg on Apr 11, 2017 19:23:50 GMT
[quote author=" farneysarmy" Ah yes, attack the poster. Classy. You do realise how forums work? Not everybody is going to agree with you. Not everybody is going to blow smoke up your bum. I have zero agenda. What I Do have is an opinion that you just don't like. Tough. So if it's all the same with the mods I'll stick around. Cheers. [/quote] " smoke up your bum " classy indeed, " attack the poster " , hypocritical indeed, was not your riposte to a certain poster not an attack on his point of view, ergo an attack on same poster, we all have opinions and I had just given mine towards you, I shall not engage anymore on the matter as to do so would lower myself to your level, cheers. ps. the mods here are well able to decide for themselves, my opinion will in no way influence that as its a subjective point of view and they bye and large are objective which makes this forum what it is.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 11, 2017 19:30:13 GMT
I think you said this in 2014 also! Its nice that the rest of us are only keeping the throne warm for you! Dublin were the greatest football team of all time in '14 as I recall, and we know what happened then. Dublin have had a great run and our youngsters took ye down on Sunday at what was their first shot at yez at out home venue which is Croker, yez are ageing and we have uncapped a fountain of Kerry young talent that will be more formidable with every game. Monaghan are a team that can also do it but not great outside of Ulster -also a small population, say v Louth. Up da Kingdom! Your posts get fairly tiresome quickly. Show a bit more humility and cool the jets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:37:33 GMT
I think you said this in 2014 also! Its nice that the rest of us are only keeping the throne warm for you! Dublin were the greatest football team of all time in '14 as I recall, and we know what happened then. Dublin have had a great run and our youngsters took ye down on Sunday at what was their first shot at yez at out home venue which is Croker, yez are ageing and we have uncapped a fountain of Kerry young talent that will be more formidable with every game. Monaghan are a team that can also do it but not great outside of Ulster -also a small population, say v Louth. Up da Kingdom! Ridiculous post. You don't have a clue.
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Post by farneysarmy on Apr 11, 2017 19:49:48 GMT
[quote author=" farneysarmy" Ah yes, attack the poster. Classy. You do realise how forums work? Not everybody is going to agree with you. Not everybody is going to blow smoke up your bum. I have zero agenda. What I Do have is an opinion that you just don't like. Tough. So if it's all the same with the mods I'll stick around. Cheers. " smoke up your bum " classy indeed, " attack the poster " , hypocritical indeed, was not your riposte to a certain poster not an attack on his point of view, ergo an attack on same poster, we all have opinions and I had just given mine towards you, I shall not engage anymore on the matter as to do so would lower myself to your level, cheers. ps. the mods here are well able to decide for themselves, my opinion will in no way influence that as its a subjective point of view and they bye and large are objective which makes this forum what it is.[/quote] "biased narrow minded, ahem Brain of yours" That's an example of attacking the poster. I do believe you have form for that though. All the best.
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Post by baurtregaum on Apr 11, 2017 20:29:37 GMT
Dublin are past it? Christ almighty - close this thread, it's descended into farce i think Dublin still have better players than us and its going to be another 18 months before we can challenge them to win an all ireland. all this talk of Dublins demise, are just nonsense, too many lads getting carried away after sunday . I agree 100% with this. Unfortunately I have a feeling that we will have to lose one to win one. Its not that they are better, rather more developed with great experience and this is a huge factor in championship. As good as we were on Sunday, our young lads will need time to bed in at championship level and our expectations need to be dampened down on here. The Dubs are still the best squad in the country and Gavin will see Sunday as a positive as they have things to improve on. Kerry showed them no respect and deservedly won but Gavin now has 2 months to analyse how it was done and plan accordingly. The signs for Leinster football is positive with kildare back in Div 1 and Meath unlucky not to be joining them. Maybe Dublin are rejoining the peleton. If the Dubs are in decline ( I don’t think so but only time will tell) it will be the kind of decline most counties can only dream of. The golden years crew peaked as a team in 1981. They still won 3 of the next 5 all Ireland’s though not quite as good. They added a few good players and kept the show on the road. Dublin will do likewise I think. They will get 2 or 3 each year from the underage ranks and will be a force in the game for years to come. Signs are positive in the kingdom but patience is required.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 11, 2017 20:51:52 GMT
Back to back is extreme football, three in a row a very difficult bridge that will test Dublin to the limits. Time will tell if all the Dublin players have the hunger to retain the All-Ireland. The gate is wide open after last Sunday with Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone eyeing up the Dubs now.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 11, 2017 21:28:28 GMT
Back to back is extreme football, three in a row a very difficult bridge that will test Dublin to the limits. Time will tell if all the Dublin players have the hunger to retain the All-Ireland. The gate is wide open after last Sunday with Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone eyeing up the Dubs now. Here here, at least there is another faithful Kerryman on here! Up until last Sunday we had no belief, I said last week that "we would beat Dublin at least once this year" and I was proved right, and I wasn't surprised that it would be so soon. Can we win Sam in 2017? - well 'tis a right fool that would bet against Kerry given that it was fellas coming through that won it for us, there is an avalanche about to give way here -no matter how you look at it we are back at the top table and I anticipate all time best games in the years near ahead as that transition takes place. If it is a sin to be enthusiastic about that than a sinner I be. And why do some individuals keep reading my signature if it sickens them - it espouses my original and native North Kerry literary genre -have I to apologise for that also? Here lads -when Johnny Buckley becomes the first man to climb the Hogan for the second time in the one year, then ye can each buy me a pint for yer sins! And isn't he half Ballydonoghue blood, the mother was a mean enough basketballer, a skill that is now recognised even outside of Ballythefiresisde as fundamental to the success of our game - KD, etc, the world is only a generation behind! And ye moan about The Kerry Ingredient, ah I'll forgive ye, I know ye don't mean it in a bad way and once I get my few pints we'll all be happy!
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2017 22:09:25 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2017 22:18:48 GMT
contrasting emotions
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 11, 2017 22:28:35 GMT
Back to back is extreme football, three in a row a very difficult bridge that will test Dublin to the limits. Time will tell if all the Dublin players have the hunger to retain the All-Ireland. The gate is wide open after last Sunday with Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone eyeing up the Dubs now. I was thinking leaving Croke Park how would I have felt if Rocks shot that hit the post had of been punched in by one of our lads and we had of won. I had a strange feeling that it would of come back to haunt us later in the year. 3 in a row requires something special , Dublin have been the only show in town for a while now, every team scrutinising how to beat us. Kerry eventually beat us on Sunday , Tyrone should of early in the league , Where Rocks two last minute frees landed separated the results and the narrative for the next day. I know Dublin tried a couple of things in league that will not be used in championship. But they had to be tested against certain teams to see the outcome. Kerry will rightly feel rejuvenated and feel they can now go toe to toe with Dublin anytime and win. Dublin and Jim Gavin glad the questions have been asked before championship starts. 3 in a row wIll not be done without new goals and focus for Dublin. I feel we needed Sunday for that, if Kerry prevail in September this will be the game that will be remembered. If we prevail in September this will be the game that's remembered.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 11, 2017 23:18:05 GMT
Back to back is extreme football, three in a row a very difficult bridge that will test Dublin to the limits. Time will tell if all the Dublin players have the hunger to retain the All-Ireland. The gate is wide open after last Sunday with Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone eyeing up the Dubs now. I was thinking leaving Croke Park how would I have felt if Rocks shot that hit the post had of been punched in by one of our lads and we had of won. I had a strange feeling that it would of come back to haunt us later in the year. 3 in a row requires something special , Dublin have been the only show in town for a while now, every team scrutinising how to beat us. Kerry eventually beat us on Sunday , Tyrone should of early in the league , Where Rocks two last minute frees landed separated the results and the narrative for the next day. I know Dublin tried a couple of things in league that will not be used in championship. But they had to be tested against certain teams to see the outcome. Kerry will rightly feel rejuvenated and feel they can now go toe to toe with Dublin anytime and win. Dublin and Jim Gavin glad the questions have been asked before championship starts. 3 in a row wIll not be done without new goals and focus for Dublin. I feel we needed Sunday for that, if Kerry prevail in September this will be the game that will be remembered. If we prevail in September this will be the game that's remembered. Stating the obvious but events meanwhile will overtake it -killer instinct in Autumn provoked by league matches, the only significance is that our youngsters beat yez at their first attempt in Croker and they will build on that foundation. Dublin could go into psychological freefall from having to prove themselves and coupled with the competition for places they talk about could have them sap their energy in training. All this ballsology re if Rock did this 'n' that, if Moran found the net, if the ref in '15 did his job, and also in 2011 ... history would be different!
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Post by fitz on Apr 11, 2017 23:30:16 GMT
I think you said this in 2014 also! Its nice that the rest of us are only keeping the throne warm for you! Dublin were the greatest football team of all time in '14 as I recall, and we know what happened then. Dublin have had a great run and our youngsters took ye down on Sunday at what was their first shot at yez at out home venue which is Croker, yez are ageing and we have uncapped a fountain of Kerry young talent that will be more formidable with every game. Monaghan are a team that can also do it but not great outside of Ulster -also a small population, say v Louth. Up da Kingdom! Imo you're letting yourself down with this Bally. It's unreasoned, that's as polte as I can do
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