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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2017 9:36:19 GMT
Philly is a great player and vital for dublin. A punch to the head with the fist when tangling with the opponent as they fall is his latest tack. He caught paul geaney and i think twas jack savage. How someone hasnt rearranged his face before now is a surprise.
I think kerry should keep maher in reserve for when mdma comes on towards the end of games and he should just spoil him and limit his effectiveness. He singlehandedly dragged dublin back into it at the end. He did the same at the end of the 2013 semi final...slapped morans hands and the ball broke to mcmenamin with marc out of position.
He intercepted declans fatal handpass in 2011 which led to mcmenamins goal.
He is a huge problem for kerry and needs to be neutralised
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 9:44:19 GMT
[quote author=" MeathExile" source="/post/202447/thread" timestamp="1491856339" ]Did anyone notice the tweet from Bernard Flynn on TSG last night?? He made some reference to the game being reffed fairly for once. It brought me back to last August when I said on here that I would not go to a Kerry/Dub game in future if there wasn't a neutral non Meath/Dublin resident reffing. Coldrick and Gough sickened me over the last 2 years, and it was nice to see a ref unburdened by local knowledge/friendships reffing a match properly. I hope the referee's group continue to implement the rule of old - neutral ref from non-participating provinces please..... Apart from that, do any of the elder lemons on here think that Barry is a cut off Ambrose? He has the same running style, but I think Barry has a bit more football in him - a fantastic find. Going back to a previous post, someone here mentioned improving the forwards with the return of JOD/SOB/KD. Apart from KD, I wouldn't be rushing to change too much from yesterday. When I wantched it again late last night, it struck me how much work the newer lads Savage, McCarthy, Mike G put in to engineer the points in the third quarter. Methinks JOD may be now be better off the bench when defenders are tiring, Stephen overall vision not as good as Savages I think, and KD is the ultimate route B plan. Johnny B will probably be there as well, so we now really have some bench to come in. On that note, Darren was superb yesterday when he came in - he really is a man for Croker. I think everyone is in agreement that Kerry deserved to win on Sunday. Also agree that the referee by and large did a decent job, although some supporters I know don't feel that way, and would point to Darren O'Sullivans miss that was then given as a handy free, a 45 that Moran (I think) converted that was a push on James McCarthy over the endline (I believe Dessie Dolan on radio commentary described it as "only a little push"!, I didn't know there were rules for degrees of pushing!). Also a probable penalty on Dean Rock that I didn't notice in real time, and neither did the ref obviously. But in general, Dublin weren't good enough on the day. Have a look on Reservoir Dubs forum and you'll see the same sentiment. But the above comment implicates a sinister aspect to Dublins successes, and that Dublin can only beat Kerry if the ref is "onside". For a start Bernard Flynn is lacking in grey matter, this is his own problem but when he foists his point of view on the rest of us he's hard to listen to. He is well known for trumpeting an anti Dublin agenda any chance he gets. A tabloid pundit if ever there was one. He happens to me from Meath, Coldrick is from Meath. I see your username is "Meathexile". So you won't have to travel too far to know that Meath GAA people in general would not be known for their fondness of Dublin GAA. Do you see the irony in what you are suggesting in terms of Coldrick looking after Dublin? I dislike all the guff talked about referees generally, although I am partial to the occasional rant. I do however feel that when some Kerry supporters have an actual list of referees they would class as "not suitable" to officiate at their games, there is an element of "doth protest too much". Not all referees are anti Kerry, in fact none of them are. Joe McQuillan is another on the "list", and to those shrewdies observing the Dublin Monaghan game last week you will have noted that Connolly was on the pitch for all of 2 minutes when McQuillan gave him a black card for what wasn't the first cousin of a black. Dublin Joe alright. Joe is from Cavan. Cavan and Monaghan have their own savage little GAA rivalry, so its doubtful if Joe was looking to assist Monaghan, and he certainly wasn't looking to assist Dublin. Gough and McQuillan have been pummelled by Kerry supporters, and two of the biggest decisions complained about were Kev Mc shoulder on Crowley, and again Kev Mc double hop in final of 2011. McQuillan had his back to the double hop so couldn't have seen it, Gough admitted that he didn't see Kev Mc shoulder. So if you cannot see it how can you give it? Unless of course you take the advice of your umpires/linesmen, which is what happened on Sunday. Interestingly, the advice on this occasion went against Dublin with Connollys black (which was a black). The umpires at the Hill end hadn't the same attitude when it came to dispensing advice, and it cost Dublin a potential converted penalty and an actual converted 45. Kerry were on their best behaviour on Sunday, knowing full well the eye was on them after "events" in Tralee. Plus with Fitzmaurice shaping the narrative earlier in the week it was obvious they would not be acting the maggot to any great degree. I do think it will be interesting if the two teams meet later in the year (hopefully in the final), because Fitzy has had his shot across the bows already. If he goes at it again it will come across as "fake news". Gavin was cute enough post match on Sunday, kept the powder dry. Although in fairness its not his style to attack other teams etc. But I'd say he won't be averse to having a cut if he feels the narrative is being laid down against his team again. [/quote] For someone who does not like to talk about refs you have plenty to say and gavin says plenty about refs in his usual mealy mouth way.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2017 9:44:38 GMT
Gough is immersed in dublin gaa and living in dublin
Coldrick is living in dublin. I will leave it at that..I could say more.
Mcquillan should never be allowed ref a dublin kerry game again.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 11, 2017 10:25:07 GMT
All this talk about upsetting the bear is rubbish. Kerry announced our arrival on Sunday and it is now only a matter of time before the Dubs and Mayo occupy the departure lounge -and while there may be delays there will be no cancellations! Tyrone will be arriving and I wonder what I am missing as Donegal's re-emergence is largely ignored. Credit KD for advocating that we take physicality to those who think we are only just purist class -opponents can choose the game and we can mix-it if that's what they choose.
It is a really exciting time for us, we have stalwarts in the autumn of their careers who nurture those coming through, amazing culture and that needs to be acknowledged as another aspect of leadership of what is Kerry, what sets us apart and makes us special. Even at our lowest ebb we were still putting it up to the best of 'em.
My only regret is that the closed door policy prevents us visiting Killarney to see them in action and that was an occasion in itself. Are they training is Currans up yet?
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Post by farneysarmy on Apr 11, 2017 10:49:18 GMT
All this talk about upsetting the bear is rubbish. Kerry announced our arrival on Sunday and it is now only a matter of time before the Dubs and Mayo occupy the departure lounge -and while there may be delays there will be no cancellations! Tyrone will be arriving and I wonder what I am missing as Donegal's re-emergence is largely ignored. Credit KD for advocating that we take physicality to those who think we are only just purist class -opponents can choose the game and we can mix-it if that's what they choose. It is a really exciting time for us, we have stalwarts in the autumn of their careers who nurture those coming through, amazing culture and that needs to be acknowledged as another aspect of leadership of what is Kerry, what sets us apart and makes us special. Even at our lowest ebb we were still putting it up to the best of 'em. My only regret is that the closed door policy prevents us visiting Killarney to see them in action and that was an occasion in itself. Are they training is Currans up yet? Where in the name of God do you think the Dubs and Mayo are going? Have you seen the youngsters coming through for Dublin? Mayo won the u21 not so long ago too so some fine talent there too. You won a league final, in April by a point when Dublin were denied a clear penalty and their playmaker got himself black carded. He looked well up for it before that. So I'd hold fire on the celebrations just yet!
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 11, 2017 10:52:06 GMT
I think it's fair to say that Kerry supporters have a distinct dislike for those three Dublin based referees, God knows we have suffered our unfair share of ERRORS on their behalf. The critical thing for me is how on earth do the powers that be put any man either working or living in Dublin city in a position where they have to referee some of the biggest games of the year. These men are in working Dublin dominated envoitnment, their neighbours are Dublin supporters, their children apart from supporting the Dubs are going to Dublin schools with their Dublin friends, it is probable that their closest friends are Dubs, how could you expect impartiality from anyone in this situation. No official should be put in this position, I have lived outside my county for over twenty years before returning a few years ago. Obviously I always supported my county but it was nice to see the county I was living in at the time doing well and if I was a referee I would have found it very hard to be impartial as a result of my everyday dealings with all things associated with my life while living in that county. Any 50/50 call goes against the VISITING team and it would be very difficult to argue against that. It was great to see three genuinely neutral officials in charge of the game last Sunday, at least if he made a bad call you knew it was because he had made an honest mistake and the Hill wasn't going to have a percentage of his decision process. Imagine if a referee who was from a neutral county but was residing in Kerry was suggested for a Kerry v Dublin AIF, now Skybluezone imagine if his two lines men had the same pedigree I'd say Jim Gavin would think its April fools day if he was told of that line up before the game,, strange how it has been visited on all but the metropolitans. We would have not won last Sunday's game if we didn't have neutral referees, I am not a paranoid person but I'm convinced of that.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2017 11:08:35 GMT
All this talk about upsetting the bear is rubbish. Kerry announced our arrival on Sunday and it is now only a matter of time before the Dubs and Mayo occupy the departure lounge -and while there may be delays there will be no cancellations! Tyrone will be arriving and I wonder what I am missing as Donegal's re-emergence is largely ignored. Credit KD for advocating that we take physicality to those who think we are only just purist class -opponents can choose the game and we can mix-it if that's what they choose. It is a really exciting time for us, we have stalwarts in the autumn of their careers who nurture those coming through, amazing culture and that needs to be acknowledged as another aspect of leadership of what is Kerry, what sets us apart and makes us special. Even at our lowest ebb we were still putting it up to the best of 'em. My only regret is that the closed door policy prevents us visiting Killarney to see them in action and that was an occasion in itself. Are they training is Currans up yet? You are deluded if you think dublin are going anywhere. They will be the team to beat for the next five years. Mayo further down the road than kerry too but kerry are closing the gap. Could you hold off on the kerry ingredient business till sam comes to kerry again
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Post by inchperfect on Apr 11, 2017 11:20:55 GMT
Kerry vs Dublin needs to have a Ulster/Connaught referee who is based in Ulster/Connaught. That's what we had yesterday in Paddy Neilan and apart from a few Dubs everyone agreed he had a good game.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 11, 2017 11:28:12 GMT
I remember the league game in Killarney in 2010. To be brutally honest, we were nearly scoffing at Dublin at the time (a few months after the quarter final massacre) and the significance of that win didnt stike me until after the 2011 final. Dublin needed it badly that day, Kerry needed it badly on Sunday. Maybe that bit of hunger was the difference when Kerry tore into Dublin the third quarter and Dublin seemed a bit stunned.
Just wondering who Dublin have left to come into the team/squad that played the last day? Johnny Cooper and Jack McCaffrey at the back - I didnt see anybody not on the panel Sunday who would come into their midfield or forwards. No doubt the two backs I mentioned will be nailed on starters. Mannion and maybe Con O Callaghan could provide a bit of youth and flair up front.
You would have to imagine that Killian, Shane Enright and James Donoghue will be starting for Kerry if fit. Maybe Briain Begley too. There is likely to be fairly different teams on duty next time we meet. Dublin will still be favourites and rightly so but the tide might just be starting to change.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 11, 2017 11:29:59 GMT
All this talk about upsetting the bear is rubbish. Kerry announced our arrival on Sunday and it is now only a matter of time before the Dubs and Mayo occupy the departure lounge -and while there may be delays there will be no cancellations! Tyrone will be arriving and I wonder what I am missing as Donegal's re-emergence is largely ignored. Credit KD for advocating that we take physicality to those who think we are only just purist class -opponents can choose the game and we can mix-it if that's what they choose. It is a really exciting time for us, we have stalwarts in the autumn of their careers who nurture those coming through, amazing culture and that needs to be acknowledged as another aspect of leadership of what is Kerry, what sets us apart and makes us special. Even at our lowest ebb we were still putting it up to the best of 'em. My only regret is that the closed door policy prevents us visiting Killarney to see them in action and that was an occasion in itself. Are they training is Currans up yet? Where in the name of God do you think the Dubs and Mayo are going? Have you seen the youngsters coming through for Dublin? Mayo won the u21 not so long ago too so some fine talent there too. You won a league final, in April by a point when Dublin were denied a clear penalty and their playmaker got himself black carded. He looked well up for it before that. So I'd hold fire on the celebrations just yet! Ah 'twas the ref that won it for us! Dublin are past their peak and Mayo had goodness knows but Mayo had their best chances and failed every time -was it 3 own goals the last time? Well Dublin didn't quiet roll them over so it's not as if the standard is through the roof.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 11, 2017 11:32:46 GMT
All this talk about upsetting the bear is rubbish. Kerry announced our arrival on Sunday and it is now only a matter of time before the Dubs and Mayo occupy the departure lounge -and while there may be delays there will be no cancellations! Tyrone will be arriving and I wonder what I am missing as Donegal's re-emergence is largely ignored. Credit KD for advocating that we take physicality to those who think we are only just purist class -opponents can choose the game and we can mix-it if that's what they choose. It is a really exciting time for us, we have stalwarts in the autumn of their careers who nurture those coming through, amazing culture and that needs to be acknowledged as another aspect of leadership of what is Kerry, what sets us apart and makes us special. Even at our lowest ebb we were still putting it up to the best of 'em. My only regret is that the closed door policy prevents us visiting Killarney to see them in action and that was an occasion in itself. Are they training is Currans up yet? You are deluded if you think dublin are going anywhere. They will be the team to beat for the next five years. Mayo further down the road than kerry too but kerry are closing the gap. Could you hold off on the kerry ingredient business till sam comes to kerry again Dublin are past it, over their peak, and you think they are there for 5 more years, what will that be in a row? I didn't mention The Kerry Ingredient, but yes, we can be tops and we will be -the carriages are circling and we will win 3 of the next 4/5 Sams.
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Post by farneysarmy on Apr 11, 2017 11:42:22 GMT
You are deluded if you think dublin are going anywhere. They will be the team to beat for the next five years. Mayo further down the road than kerry too but kerry are closing the gap. Could you hold off on the kerry ingredient business till sam comes to kerry again Dublin are past it, over their peak, and you think they are there for 5 more years, what will that be in a row? I didn't mention The Kerry Ingredient, but yes, we can be tops and we will be -the carriages are circling and we will win 3 of the next 4/5 Sams. Dublin lose by a point in the league having won 36 games on the bounce and the tide is turning? Eh ok then. If all goes to plan you will be meeting Mayo and Mayo are the team that have been closest to the Dubs the past 5 years. I find your disdain for both quite astonishing really and your reference to the Kerry ingredient arrogant in the extreme.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Apr 11, 2017 12:45:43 GMT
I agree with ballythefireside. Just completely forget about mayo ok. The day they will beat Kerry will be never simple as that. And only 1 or 2 of those u21s have been seen in the league for mayo and they only average. Out of the Kerry Dublin Mayo. Id love to be Kerry at this moment and for the future. Dublin are declining even their own fans recognise this. Obviously they are still talented and We will even need a better performance to beat them in September but im Sure we wil with u21s coming through and a perfect blend of seasoned campaigners such as Donnacha , Bryan, Donaghy, Killian,.Competiton will be Serious.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 11, 2017 13:16:08 GMT
You are deluded if you think dublin are going anywhere. They will be the team to beat for the next five years. Mayo further down the road than kerry too but kerry are closing the gap. Could you hold off on the kerry ingredient business till sam comes to kerry again Dublin are past it, over their peak, and you think they are there for 5 more years, what will that be in a row? I didn't mention The Kerry Ingredient, but yes, we can be tops and we will be -the carriages are circling and we will win 3 of the next 4/5 Sams.I think you said this in 2014 also! Its nice that the rest of us are only keeping the throne warm for you!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 11, 2017 13:31:13 GMT
Dublin are past it?
Christ almighty - close this thread, it's descended into farce
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Post by fg on Apr 11, 2017 13:44:05 GMT
Dublin are past it, over their peak, and you think they are there for 5 more years, what will that be in a row? I didn't mention The Kerry Ingredient, but yes, we can be tops and we will be -the carriages are circling and we will win 3 of the next 4/5 Sams. Dublin lose by a point in the league having won 36 games on the bounce and the tide is turning? Eh ok then. If all goes to plan you will be meeting Mayo and Mayo are the team that have been closest to the Dubs the past 5 years. I find your disdain for both quite astonishing really and your reference to the Kerry ingredient arrogant in the extreme. [/quote If you care to peruse the general theme of posters contributions on this site, which is, in case I may add a kerry gaa forum it may have elapsed that biased narrow minded, ahem Brain of yours that the general concensus is one of perspective and reality and of course you will get posters who are overly optimistic but then this is a conduit for such if they so choose as it is a kerry forum and we do enjoy contributions from non kerry posters but there appears to be an undercurrent with your posts and cherry picking some posts on here to air your own agenda. Here is the thing if you feel such umbrage from the forum why don't you retire to the Monaghan site in hoganstand and communicate with like minded people there and , oh take your farneys army with you. Cheers.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 11, 2017 13:45:02 GMT
Did anyone notice the tweet from Bernard Flynn on TSG last night?? He made some reference to the game being reffed fairly for once. 'Gary its amazing what u get when the big calls on the big days get allocated fairly between the 2 teams' in response to golfer Gary Murphy who said ' Big win for the Kingdom today' This has been my point all along. Yes, Dublin are a fantastic team but there has been nothing between us over the last 6/7 years. Only difference has been a few big calls that have gone against us and a few big calls that could have gone against Dublin and didn't.... Sundays referee had no agenda, no club in Dublin or family/friends in Dublin to go back to. Dublin got called on stuff they were getting away with up to now (Connolly's black card) and it hurt them at a time when they were starting to get on top.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 11, 2017 13:53:43 GMT
Gough is immersed in dublin gaa and living in dublin Coldrick is living in dublin. I will leave it at that..I could say more. Mcquillan should never be allowed ref a dublin kerry game again. Plenty of GAA supporters of all colours live in Dublin. I doubt if any of them have adopted Dublin as their 2nd favourite team just yet. Unless you're Bernard Brogans Ma! Sure you had Kildare supporters hanging around for the main event last Sunday openly telling us that they stayed just in the hope that Dublin were beaten. Half of Kildare work in Dublin. They feckin hate us. Seamus Aldridge anyone! But its different for Gough and Coldrick? This whole angle of refs being against Kerry when they play Dublin is completely overblown by some Kerry supporters. The optics are poor when Kerry beat Dublin for the first time in a while and everyone nods their head sagely and agrees the previous difficulties Kerry had were ref related. Fitzmaurice said what he said last week, ostensibly to "protect his players" but in reality to influence and pressurise an inexperienced referee. No issue with that aspect, they all do it on occasion. But he then listed off a charge sheet of Dublin offences, sounding very much like an aggrieved supporter. But when he mentioned Declan O'Sullivan being taken out of it in 2011, he should have perhaps mentioned that Declan should not have been on the pitch himself at that stage, seeing as he was already on a yellow after a tangle with Rory O'Carroll by the time he threw his elbow into Kevin Nolan's head. Thought he should have mentioned it purely in the interests of balance, because Eamonns message was all about balance last week apparently. The biggest irony of all in 2011 was Donaghy going down as if hit by sniper fire when Brennan put his hand towards Donaghy's face. Dublin had originally been awarded a free, but KDs theatrics ensured the ref threw up the ball, which Fennell won and was worked downfield for the Cluxton winner. Joe McQuillan was the man who changed the decision from a Dublin free to a throw ball on the basis of KDs antics funnily enough. Anyway, the net point here is that we can all pick instances in isolation and point to them as reasons why the ref was against us. I've been doing it myself for years, muttering away like some nutcase on exiting Croke Park. But its difficult to believe that there is a high level conspiracy taking place in the corridors of power to ensure that Kerry don't get a fair crack when they play Dublin. And you certainly cannot base it on incidents looked at in isolation. Lastly, thought the ref was decent last Sunday, no complaints from me anyway, especially considering his inexperience.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 11, 2017 13:57:36 GMT
It is at best unwise to have referees living and working in Dublin refereeing Dublin games.
It isn't rocket science.
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Post by animal on Apr 11, 2017 13:59:47 GMT
Super performance by Kerry. In truth we should have won by 5 or 6 but credit to this Dublin team who almost came back yet again. It says a lot about them that they only lost by a point on a day when they did not play very well. I was certain that we had thrown it away when Rock was lining up that free. For once the Gods shined on us.
Big performances in every line of the field. What was most notable was the development of more of a running game by us. The power and pace of the runs by lads coming out with the ball and the supporting runners was something to behold. It is the first time in recent history of Kerry v Dublin in Croke Park where it looked like we were trying something different. I always felt that Dublin would always have our number athletically but we bettered them in this regard for once on Sunday. Mayo who up to Sunday had come the closest to beating them showed us that you have to match them physically and put it up to them and that we did. It's one thing doing it on a tight Tralee pitch but there's nowhere to hide in HQ. We were not found wanting.Of course you'll win nothing with 15 athletes. You need to be able to play football too and we certainly did. Maybe we don't have the flair of years past and the scores had to be worked for. But we were good enough to work for those scores. This is a long way of saying that I really loved the power and pace we brought to the game. Something had to change and it did.
Kealy came close to having the perfect game. I would not fault him too much for the goal - perhaps he came out too far. Unfortunately we saw the worst of Kealy in the last minutes of the game. The kickout strategy crumbled and so nearly cost us. Having said that the keeper is only a portion of any kickout strategy. Kealy's teammates and the coaches must shoulder some of the responsibility for what went on. We were lucky to escape and surely they will come up with a plan for when it inevitably happens again.
The full back line did a fine job. Shanahan is a great find and the type of sticky corner back we have needed since Tomm Sull departed. Mark Griffin made some great bursts and can be happy with himself. Fionn snuffed out Brogan. Job done.
Morley is now a major player for us. He was immense on Sunday. I can't imagine playing without him now. He and Moran have been our best players in this league. Crowley had his best game of the league after some indifferent form. Murphy had a terrific game. He was popping up everywhere. I don't mind where he plays as long as he's on the field. Gavin Crowley did well. There's a bit of devilment in him - nothing wrong with that!
That was Moran's best showing since the Mayo replay in Limerick. He was a colossus. Jack Barry once again did a number on Fenton. The find of the league?
The half forwards worked tirelessly. Mikey had his finest hour in the jersey and Walsh was his usual busy self.They nullified Cian O'Sullivan which is no mean feat.
Paul Geaney is now our "go to" man. Early on we were finding it difficult to get the ball to him and it seemed nothing would stick. At that point in the first half I was bemoaning to performance of our forwards. Thank God they turned it around. Paul was almost unerring from frees and the one he missed should never have been his to take. He had just been on the receiving end of a Philly special - now we know what Bernard Dunne's role with Dublin is!!Jack Savage was assured and kicked a fine point. He may not be a starter once James and Stephen return but great to see him at this level. Kevin McCarthy showed no fear and is another who may drop to the subs but it won't be from any lack of effort on his part.
Talk of Dublin and Mayo being past it is nonsense. These are the three teams who in my opinion are well ahead of the chasing pack. Donegal, Monaghan or Tyrone will put it up to someone but for me they are behind the top three. The future and the immediate prospects for this year are looking bright but let's not get ahead of ourselves. The last two times we won the league in 2006 and 2009 we went on to lose to Cork in Munster but then go on to win the All Ireland. It could be a long year yet folks!!
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Post by farneysarmy on Apr 11, 2017 14:03:55 GMT
Dublin lose by a point in the league having won 36 games on the bounce and the tide is turning? Eh ok then. If all goes to plan you will be meeting Mayo and Mayo are the team that have been closest to the Dubs the past 5 years. I find your disdain for both quite astonishing really and your reference to the Kerry ingredient arrogant in the extreme. [/quote If you care to peruse the general theme of posters contributions on this site, which is, in case I may add a kerry gaa forum it may have elapsed that biased narrow minded, ahem Brain of yours that the general concensus is one of perspective and reality and of course you will get posters who are overly optimistic but then this is a conduit for such if they so choose as it is a kerry forum and we do enjoy contributions from non kerry posters but there appears to be an undercurrent with your posts and cherry picking some posts on here to air your own agenda. Here is the thing if you feel such umbrage from the forum why don't you retire to the Monaghan site in hoganstand and communicate with like minded people there and , oh take your farneys army with you. Cheers. Ah yes, attack the poster. Classy. You do realise how forums work? Not everybody is going to agree with you. Not everybody is going to blow smoke up your bum. I have zero agenda. What I Do have is an opinion that you just don't like. Tough. So if it's all the same with the mods I'll stick around. Cheers.
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Post by seaniebo on Apr 11, 2017 14:23:23 GMT
Talk of Dublin's demise is beyond belief. One swallow doesn't make a summer.
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Post by ballybunion on Apr 11, 2017 14:29:22 GMT
To recap,all we want is a level playing field: 1:David Gough (the unsighted one) is teaching and living in Dublin,is chairman of the Dublin primary School Board Cumann na mBunscol Ath Cliath and an active member of a Dublin club.Any of those should have ruled him out. 2:Coldrick:Teaches and lives in Dublin.His children wear Dublin jerseys around the home area.Why not,yes why not but getting too close to be appointed to referee a Kerry Dublin match.I hope I'm not getting his Kerry neighbours in Dublin in trouble. 3:McQuillan:Finally Uncle Joe, Uncle is Uncle Joe,no need to elaborate. I know its history now and time to drop it but look what happened on Sunday last when we got fair play.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 11, 2017 14:36:06 GMT
I do not want to reopen the debate that took place last week but yesterday I could not believe the violence that was meted out by some Dublin players. I decided not to comment until I had seen the recording of the game. Even though the referee did reasonably well some efforts to tackle were reckless. Speaking of Jack Barry playing like Ambrose I think the same and I also agree that Jack is a better footballer and I think that will become clearer as time goes by. I think Micko would have loved to have had Morley in his squad - he would polish that rough diamond just like he did with Jacko. Re: the punishment dishing, do you have incidents as example? I thought the overall focus was on playing football but likely missed stuff, again I thought the atmosphere was pretty positive, it didn't appear a nasty game to me but??? Philly McMahon throwing punches at Paul Geaney on two occasions, McCarthy throwing a punch at Donnacha behind the Umpires back, then later in the game throwing a dig into his midriff in front of the camera near the sideline (Donnacha went down but had to get up quickly as Dublin were on the attack), Connolly getting the black for wreckless pull down on Crowley G. There was probably more but I can't remember offhand. The thing here is that Kerry focussed on football and Dublin seemed to want to get the hard hits in. When the game is reffed fairly and with balance football will always win out.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 11, 2017 14:42:18 GMT
I just rewatched part of the game.. You have to wonder what in the name of God was Connolly thinking?? Gavin Crowley on the field for one minute, and he managed to get 'under his skin' to the extent that he had to haul him down. If I was Jim Gavin I'd be absolutely livid with him. Crowley was doing nothing out of the way, not even obstructing Connolly if he was interested in playing ball.. Granted Connolly did it sneaky enough that the ref would never catch it, I'm delighted he was caught, a very unsportsman-like move. I must say I'm impressed with the strut in Crowley's step, even before the ref went walking to the linesman when Connolly was caught for playing the ball on the ground Crowley was giving him a few smart remarks.. Great to see a few lads with a pep in their step! Fenton should have gotten the road @ 38 min, he clearly impeded Jack Barry, the ref gave a yellow, but it is a black by the rule book! I think the Dublin players are instructed to always stop the opposition making runs. As you say we saw Fenton blocking Jack Barry. Cormac Costello came up through the ranks as a ball playing forward totally focused on scoring but in the now famous photo Colm Keys tells us "The game was in its dying embers when Brian O Beaglaoích, a Kerry substitute, went to make a run up the Hogan Stand side. He was halted in his tracks by Dublin substitute Cormac Costello who, not content with just halting momentum, put the U-21 star into a headlock and brought him to the ground to ensure he'd go no further". It would not be in Costello's instinct to do it, but for some reason he did. Connolly's problem was that Crowley was in front of him, there was no subtle option, so the only way to stop the run was to pull the jersey. Fttzwop - I will have to look back on the video and see the times of the tackles in question. Dublin have been doing this for the last couple of years and it was very evident in their match with Donegal last year when they were systematically blocking the support runs when Donegal were trying to break upfield. The Donegal system was based on attacking enmass after turning over the ball but this system fails when the supporting runner is not coming off the shoulder. Dublin were systematically taking these runners out and not just blocking them. Point in hand was Connolly's bear hug on McHugh when McHugh was breaking forward. Connolly wrapped him up and dragged him to the floor. The linesman brings it to the refs attention after and both get a yellow for rolling around on the ground together.... Connolly wins in this situation.... He should have been black carded and the innocent McHugh ended up getting the same punishment.
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Post by jackiel on Apr 11, 2017 14:55:53 GMT
Without wanting to add fuel to the fire, I personally think Coldrick is one of the better ref's around at the minute. Not sure that he has children though but am open to correction. Joe & Marty - - say no more.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2017 14:58:55 GMT
Pretty stark reading. Are Dublin that far ahead in their tackling legality, it would be interesting to see even deeper analytics, on all tackling in that game. I think such analytics as highlighted well here, regarding Kerry's fouling, it is only scratching the surface. The bigger questions are emotional ones, and I think being able to properly analyse a players behaviour in various aspects of real game time,especially challenging ones, would unlock a much greater ability to positively affect players performances. Dublin are out in front on this too. The biggest and most painful example being the Dublin goal in 2011. We should have an emotional response plan for catastrophic in game events. That day we had none, no whiteboard or stats can influence then. That game could have been saved, we hadn't a clue what to do. Dublin knew what to do at the end of 2013 final when down a man and no more subs. I don't see amidst the panic of many of the last ten mins of our games that anything preventative has been worked. Maybe more losses need to be incurred and learned. First one, what is the underlying reason for our terrible foul count?. I'd rather foul than let in a score from play? To such an extent that as provided in the stats, a covering player is there, but tackling player still fouls. So, he's unaware of his colleague or he's that wired up on his 1:1 battle, that he doesn't care or didn't notice, or verbal communications are feeble or non-existant? Realizing we foul, can't just provoke a reaction, got to stop fouling lads. It's why, and that is what needs fixing, for that example. Fouling aint the problem per se, It fouling within scoring distance that is the problem. So work it back.... you need to stop the opponents running at you at speed at a position where a free equals apoint. ..... you need to foul 65 yards from goal. Its what Dublin does Classic example last sunday of dublin fouling outside scoring disance...bernard brogan...yes...bernard bursts a gut to pull back a kerry player before he got to the half way line. Great credit due to maher for doing likewise as it most likely would have been a free in nearer the posts. So more strategic fouling is needed to beat the dubs at their own tactic
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Post by fitz on Apr 11, 2017 15:01:33 GMT
To recap,all we want is a level playing field: 1:David Gough (the unsighted one) is teaching and living in Dublin,is chairman of the Dublin primary School Board Cumann na mBunscol Ath Cliath and an active member of a Dublin club.Any of those should have ruled him out. 2:Coldrick:Teaches and lives in Dublin.His children wear Dublin jerseys around the home area.Why not,yes why not but getting too close to be appointed to referee a Kerry Dublin match.I hope I'm not getting his Kerry neighbours in Dublin in trouble. 3:McQuillan:Finally Uncle Joe, Uncle is Uncle Joe,no need to elaborate. I know its history now and time to drop it but look what happened on Sunday last when we got fair play. This makes sense to me. It's a no-brainer. In corporate speak now, the terminology is "unconscious bias" (the unconscious part wrt the above 3 amigos is debatable). Even if you had a Connacht referee for Dub v Kerry, who had a bias, where he's living would at least rule out one reason to blame . We'd need to invent one then
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 11, 2017 15:06:29 GMT
Gough is immersed in dublin gaa and living in dublin Coldrick is living in dublin. I will leave it at that..I could say more. Mcquillan should never be allowed ref a dublin kerry game again. Plenty of GAA supporters of all colours live in Dublin. I doubt if any of them have adopted Dublin as their 2nd favourite team just yet. Unless you're Bernard Brogans Ma! Sure you had Kildare supporters hanging around for the main event last Sunday openly telling us that they stayed just in the hope that Dublin were beaten. Half of Kildare work in Dublin. They feckin hate us. Seamus Aldridge anyone! But its different for Gough and Coldrick? This whole angle of refs being against Kerry when they play Dublin is completely overblown by some Kerry supporters. The optics are poor when Kerry beat Dublin for the first time in a while and everyone nods their head sagely and agrees the previous difficulties Kerry had were ref related. Fitzmaurice said what he said last week, ostensibly to "protect his players" but in reality to influence and pressurise an inexperienced referee. No issue with that aspect, they all do it on occasion. But he then listed off a charge sheet of Dublin offences, sounding very much like an aggrieved supporter. But when he mentioned Declan O'Sullivan being taken out of it in 2011, he should have perhaps mentioned that Declan should not have been on the pitch himself at that stage, seeing as he was already on a yellow after a tangle with Rory O'Carroll by the time he threw his elbow into Kevin Nolan's head. Thought he should have mentioned it purely in the interests of balance, because Eamonns message was all about balance last week apparently. The biggest irony of all in 2011 was Donaghy going down as if hit by sniper fire when Brennan put his hand towards Donaghy's face. Dublin had originally been awarded a free, but KDs theatrics ensured the ref threw up the ball, which Fennell won and was worked downfield for the Cluxton winner. Joe McQuillan was the man who changed the decision from a Dublin free to a throw ball on the basis of KDs antics funnily enough. Anyway, the net point here is that we can all pick instances in isolation and point to them as reasons why the ref was against us. I've been doing it myself for years, muttering away like some nutcase on exiting Croke Park. But its difficult to believe that there is a high level conspiracy taking place in the corridors of power to ensure that Kerry don't get a fair crack when they play Dublin. And you certainly cannot base it on incidents looked at in isolation. Lastly, thought the ref was decent last Sunday, no complaints from me anyway, especially considering his inexperience. Just out of interest... How many steps did McMenamon take in scoring the goal in 2011?
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Post by homerj on Apr 11, 2017 15:15:18 GMT
Dublin are past it? Christ almighty - close this thread, it's descended into farce i think Dublin still have better players than us and its going to be another 18 months before we can challenge them to win an all ireland. all this talk of Dublins demise, are just nonsense, too many lads getting carried away after sunday .
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