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Post by peanuts on Nov 5, 2016 12:40:16 GMT
I remember it well Mick. Especially the bit about us flopping in our only test!But we didnt flop this year, O'Byrne cup aside! Cluxton not worthy, beaten by a man who was dropped twice and cant kick it out far enough apparently! Keegan a fine player, but Philly didnt get it last year cos he plays on the edge. The players had no issue with giving it to a non Dub who does the same! Curious!!! How the fcuk are Mayo not the Champs, best keeper, best young player, best player. Ah sure we'll just tip away winning leagues and all irelands... with the benefit of hindsight now and two all Irelands by Dublin later, would you agree that it was a fair point back in 2014 that teams and players should be judged on performances against teams of equal of better. I have no issue with Kerry getting just one all start in 2016. Galway won Connacht in 2016 but flopped when it mattered in their only test. I am bringing this up just to see if your thinking has evolved since that 2014 debate. I agree with you. Cluxton should be the all star keeper and Small was young player of the year and also should have got an all star. If you were picking the best 15 players you would have a keeper, two midfielders, two forwards and 10 backs. Small is 23 so I don't think he was eligible, would definitely at least have been nominated if he was eleigible. Do you have to be u-21?
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Post by skybluezone on Nov 6, 2016 10:49:26 GMT
I remember it well Mick. Especially the bit about us flopping in our only test!But we didnt flop this year, O'Byrne cup aside! Cluxton not worthy, beaten by a man who was dropped twice and cant kick it out far enough apparently! Keegan a fine player, but Philly didnt get it last year cos he plays on the edge. The players had no issue with giving it to a non Dub who does the same! Curious!!! How the fcuk are Mayo not the Champs, best keeper, best young player, best player. Ah sure we'll just tip away winning leagues and all irelands... with the benefit of hindsight now and two all Irelands by Dublin later, would you agree that it was a fair point back in 2014 that teams and players should be judged on performances against teams of equal of better. I have no issue with Kerry getting just one all start in 2016. Galway won Connacht in 2016 but flopped when it mattered in their only test. I am bringing this up just to see if your thinking has evolved since that 2014 debate. I agree with you. Cluxton should be the all star keeper and Small was young player of the year and also should have got an all star. If you were picking the best 15 players you would have a keeper, two midfielders, two forwards and 10 backs. In 2014 the main point I was making was did the league count for anything. Also felt tbat Dublin had completely bucked the negative way most teams played (and still play) and that this should be acknowledged. Was told that they were only 2 games that mattered that year and that they failed at the first obstacle. Fair enough. Wouldnt argue too strongly against tbat. Mayo won 4, Keegan and Harrison yes, Clarke and Boyle definitely no. Durkan unlucky. Keegan poty no. Most of his defensive work is illegal. Great going forward. I reiterate, in 2015 Philly great going forward, defensively on and over the edge. Poty? Not a chance. Keegan sent off after 25 mins of final, still gets poty. Joke surely. Diarmuid O'Connor young poty. Even he must have smiled at that sympathy vote. Miles better in 2015. Had good u21champo, then injured, then feeling his way back from injury, then poor in final, then a bit better in replay. Small overage btw, but dont think the cutoff point is 21 and under, possibly u23? Point Im making this year is that Mayo got a large sympathy vote with Clarke Keegan and OConnor. Boyle has 3 all stars, he wouldnt start for Dublin in hb line. Glad you agree on Cluxton. All stars a nothing debate, always generates a bit of heat though.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 6, 2016 14:29:29 GMT
Dublin deserved no all star in 2014.
Philly was outstanding in 2016 and the gouging incident cost him player of the year. Keegan spent most of the year pulling jerseys and I wouldnt have given him player of the year. But Keegan did the work of 5 men in the cynical stuff whereas Dublin spread the task around more evenly between about 6. I would have given player of the year to Fenton. I would have given Patrick Durcan an all star.
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Post by himself on Nov 6, 2016 14:49:00 GMT
Fenton would have just pipped Keegan to the POTY for me, but a very close run thing, Keegan did far more than cynical stuff, he played an awful lot of really great football. Callanan should have been way ahead of Gleeson in the hurling in my opinion. And I am honestly completely mystified how Diarmuid O'Connor got Young Player ahead of Patrick Durcan. No disrespect to a talented and exciting young forward, but I thought Diarmuid's play dropped substantially in the crunch games.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 6, 2016 15:14:02 GMT
Callanan was awesome in what he did. Immaculate first touch, brilliant finish and showed great leadership. BUT, the ball into him was 80:20 such was Tipps dominance of the KK puckout and the dominance of the Tipp half back line. He was goog too v Galway in fairness.
I was delighted that Gleeson got player of the player. His performances at U21 level reminded me of Roy Keane in that famous world cup game in Lansdowne Road (V Holland was it) when he pretty much won the game on his own. He carried that into the drawn game v KK. Cody told his keeper to keep the puckout away from Gleeson at all costs for the replay. For a while there during the summer Gleeson dominated every game, every team and every player. By comparison, Callanan s job was a lot easier in my view.
Gleeson in full flow is a sight to behold. Thank God they dont play aussie hurling in Austrlaia
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Post by skybluezone on Nov 6, 2016 16:39:42 GMT
Gleeson is a beast of a player, a one man force of nature. I could be dreaming this but I have a feeling he didnt even make sunday game team of the year. Could be wrong though.
Dont agree on no Dub allstars 2014. Flynn and Connolly were excellent in the semi, a bit like Geaney this year. You cant go to the other extreme of ruling everyone out except those that played in final.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 6, 2016 17:13:44 GMT
Fenton would have just pipped Keegan to the POTY for me, but a very close run thing, Keegan did far more than cynical stuff, he played an awful lot of really great football. Callanan should have been way ahead of Gleeson in the hurling in my opinion. And I am honestly completely mystified how Diarmuid O'Connor got Young Player ahead of Patrick Durcan. No disrespect to a talented and exciting young forward, but I thought Diarmuid's play dropped substantially in the crunch games. Durcan was overage for young player of the year as was John Small. Young Player of the year has to be an U21 eligible player. The other two players nominated were Tipperary’s Josh Keane and Jimmy Feehan who had decent enough years but neither did much to make a case for the Young Player of the Year award.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 7, 2016 11:49:24 GMT
I can't see how Keegan was deemed to be Player of the Year. He was totally negative in his play. Fenton should've won it hands down from the 3 that were nominated.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 7, 2016 12:20:33 GMT
I can't see how Keegan was deemed to be Player of the Year. He was totally negative in his play. Fenton should've won it hands down from the 3 that were nominated. Players voted. Andy Moran, Gary Brennan and Mattie Donnelly were on OTB on Saturday. They all voted for Lee Keegan. Reading between the lines he is a popular player out there and very well respected.
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Post by peanuts on Nov 7, 2016 12:35:52 GMT
I can't see how Keegan was deemed to be Player of the Year. He was totally negative in his play. Fenton should've won it hands down from the 3 that were nominated. I disagree. Keegan again outscored Connolly from play, scored a great goal in the replay and was taken out of it a few times in the drawn game when he was attempting to go forward. I thought he was excellent for the most part all year. TBH though I would have given it to Fenton as well. The fact that Keegan was incorrectly black carded in the replay and the 'campaign' against him probably swung it to Keegan.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 7, 2016 12:41:12 GMT
I can't see how Keegan was deemed to be Player of the Year. He was totally negative in his play. Fenton should've won it hands down from the 3 that were nominated. I disagree. Keegan again outscored Connolly from play, scored a great goal in the replay and was taken out of it a few times in the drawn game when he was attempting to go forward. Yes but his main role was to stop another player at all costs. That's my main gripe. Fenton was far more deserving in my opinion. Philly McMahon should've won Player of the Year last year if the same standards were applied.
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Post by kot on Nov 7, 2016 12:54:10 GMT
How on earth did Fenton now win POTY? Hands down!
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 7, 2016 14:16:31 GMT
Not sure what all the negativity regarding Lee Keegan is all about for neutralising Connolly. Surely this is the primary role of a defender? The only real issue here is that he was unfortunately taken out incorrectly on the black card rule by a ref who took the bait, hook, sinker and all.
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Post by kot on Nov 7, 2016 15:06:15 GMT
Not sure what all the negativity regarding Lee Keegan is all about for neutralising Connolly. Surely this is the primary role of a defender? The only real issue here is that he was unfortunately taken out incorrectly on the black card rule by a ref who took the bait, hook, sinker and all. I still think that looking over a whole year that Fenton was the standout. No doubting Keegan was monumental in both games until he was wrongly black carded but for conistency of performance would have to be Fenton. No man beat him in league or championship.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 7, 2016 15:09:35 GMT
Not sure what all the negativity regarding Lee Keegan is all about for neutralising Connolly. Surely this is the primary role of a defender? The only real issue here is that he was unfortunately taken out incorrectly on the black card rule by a ref who took the bait, hook, sinker and all. I still think that looking over a whole year that Fenton was the standout. No doubting Keegan was monumental in both games until he was wrongly black carded but for conistency of performance would have to be Fenton. No man beat him in league or championship. Probably a fair point as Mayo had no form before the semi final this year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 22:20:02 GMT
Keegan was Motm in the q/f tbf. He certainly performed at the business end of the championship. I would have given to Fenton myself but keegan getting it is no great Disgrace either.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 8, 2016 19:57:23 GMT
Keegan is an exceptional footballer. Was completely in control of himself when shown the incorrect black card by Deegan. Top class player.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 8, 2016 21:32:16 GMT
Hindsight is great but maybe Keegan should have been put on Fenton. Connolly didnt do much after Keegan went off
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 8, 2016 23:12:22 GMT
If Keegan was a Dublin player no way he'd have won that award, not a hope in hell, in fact the whole country would have been up in arms about his carry-on, which was completely blatant. Got a bit of media attention (finally, after years) before the replay and the whole country was up in arms about that. Got the black card because he had got away with such alot for so long. Needless to say he's a great player and will continue to be a real star.
Really says all you need to know though about the general attitude around the country, blind eye to almost everything if the player is liked, if he's from the right county etc. If COC was from an Ulster county or Dublin he would have been dragged across the coals for some of the things he did in the last two years. But people feel sorry for Mayo so there you go. Not a basis for a high-level sport though, too much sentiment, too much emphasis on who you are and where you're from.
Incidentally I could not pick a standout player for POTY from any county this year, no forward shot the lights out for example, on a consistent basis. No midfielder really dominated. No back was completely masterful, in a footballing way. No doubt though that the widespread campaign about resources etc had an impact, as did the campaign against Philly McMahon last year. And I've no doubt Darragh O'Sé's campaign to have Diarmuid Connolly's tail pulled on a systematic basis since a couple of years ago has definitely born fruit. Maith an fear Laidir.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 9, 2016 8:50:01 GMT
If Keegan was a Dublin player no way he'd have won that award, not a hope in hell, in fact the whole country would have been up in arms about his carry-on, which was completely blatant. Got a bit of media attention (finally, after years) before the replay and the whole country was up in arms about that. Got the black card because he had got away with such alot for so long. Needless to say he's a great player and will continue to be a real star. Really says all you need to know though about the general attitude around the country, blind eye to almost everything if the player is liked, if he's from the right county etc. If COC was from an Ulster county or Dublin he would have been dragged across the coals for some of the things he did in the last two years. But people feel sorry for Mayo so there you go. Not a basis for a high-level sport though, too much sentiment, too much emphasis on who you are and where you're from. Incidentally I could not pick a standout player for POTY from any county this year, no forward shot the lights out for example, on a consistent basis. No midfielder really dominated. No back was completely masterful, in a footballing way. No doubt though that the widespread campaign about resources etc had an impact, as did the campaign against Philly McMahon last year. And I've no doubt Darragh O'Sé's campaign to have Diarmuid Connolly's tail pulled on a systematic basis since a couple of years ago has definitely born fruit. Maith an fear Laidir. I say this as someone who thought Philly McMahon was POTY last year... I don't think what Keegan gets up to is in the same bracket as Philly. I don't see Keegan with the verbals and I don't see Keegan with wild fingers. I think the Keegan black was borderline but he did have both arms around Connolly. Connolly might have went down easy but maybe because he wanted to highlight the foul play.
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Post by taggert on Nov 9, 2016 9:55:00 GMT
Rashers, as someone who has already professed on these pages that you dont give a monkeys who wins All Star or POTY awards, you are doing a very fine impression of suggesting otherwise.
Im with 'scaul on the fact that Keegans cynical interventions pale in insignificance when compared with others such as Philly.
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Post by ataboy on Nov 9, 2016 14:26:17 GMT
They really should extend YPOTY to U23s. Was it always U21? There is only a handful of U21s playing senior so if you manage to start in a half decent team you are half way there already. As soon as Tipp lost, O'Connor was nailed on for YPOTY. His performances in the final were irrelevant really.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 9, 2016 20:10:34 GMT
Connolly is widely acknowledged as being one of the best forwards in the game- Keegan completely marked him out if the game twice while actually adding more attacking threat than his direct opponent!
I really dont see how this is being questioned.
Th biggest surprise was prob Dermo getting an All Star as he was marked out if it in the 2 finals- whats he getting it for? Points in the Leinster championship? In the Dublin team? Most mediocre forwards could manage that.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 9, 2016 21:05:09 GMT
the bitterness and begrudgery towards Keegan is sad to see.
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Post by southward on Nov 9, 2016 21:21:12 GMT
If Keegan was a Dublin player no way he'd have won that award, not a hope in hell, in fact the whole country would have been up in arms about his carry-on, which was completely blatant. Got a bit of media attention (finally, after years) before the replay and the whole country was up in arms about that. Got the black card because he had got away with such alot for so long. Needless to say he's a great player and will continue to be a real star. Really says all you need to know though about the general attitude around the country, blind eye to almost everything if the player is liked, if he's from the right county etc. If COC was from an Ulster county or Dublin he would have been dragged across the coals for some of the things he did in the last two years. But people feel sorry for Mayo so there you go. Not a basis for a high-level sport though, too much sentiment, too much emphasis on who you are and where you're from. Incidentally I could not pick a standout player for POTY from any county this year, no forward shot the lights out for example, on a consistent basis. No midfielder really dominated. No back was completely masterful, in a footballing way. No doubt though that the widespread campaign about resources etc had an impact, as did the campaign against Philly McMahon last year. And I've no doubt Darragh O'Sé's campaign to have Diarmuid Connolly's tail pulled on a systematic basis since a couple of years ago has definitely born fruit. Maith an fear Laidir."campaign"? - hardly! Mentioned in one column as far as I remember.
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Post by thebluepanther on Nov 9, 2016 21:46:39 GMT
I say this as someone who thought Philly McMahon was POTY last year... I don't think what Keegan gets up to is in the same bracket as Philly. I don't see Keegan with the verbals and I don't see Keegan with wild fingers. I think the Keegan black was borderline but he did have both arms around Connolly. Connolly might have went down easy but maybe because he wanted to highlight the foul play. Wouldn't disagree with a lot of that. Personally I think Keegan is one of the best defenders in Ireland. His goal against us was top drawer. I also think he comes across very well when speaking and I liked the way he went over to Connolly to congratulate him after the final. The guy is no frills and a winner and even when the Mayo players got rid of the previous management , he stayed out of it. But if player of the year is based on league and championship form as Micheal Lyester suggested I don't think he deserved it. But I'd have him in my Dublin team any day.
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Post by abù on Nov 9, 2016 23:03:09 GMT
Regardless of what Michael Lyester suggested, all stars are selected from the buisness end of the year. Play poor from January to August but put in two big performances in semi and final and your are almost certain of an all star. I agree with others in that I also feel Diarmuid Connellys selection was the big suprise to me.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 9, 2016 23:07:55 GMT
How much football did Peter Harte play at wing forward this year for Tyrone?
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Post by ruralgaa on Nov 10, 2016 10:04:40 GMT
How much football did Peter Harte play at wing forward this year for Tyrone? A lot of it. He wears number 7 but never really lines out in the half back line. Usually in the half forward line.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 10, 2016 10:15:45 GMT
How much football did Peter Harte play at wing forward this year for Tyrone? A lot of it. He wears number 7 but never really lines out in the half back line. Usually in the half forward line. Is there such a thing as an out and out no 10 in Tyrone football? He played some of the league in attack and was certainly defender orientated during the championship.
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