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Post by fitz on Oct 6, 2016 15:58:32 GMT
www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1006/821803-all-star-nominations/A few pandering nominations - specifically Paul Conroy from Galway, and to Tipperary also. Galway and Tipp got 9 nominations between them Kerry got 4. Moran and Darran both should have been on the list and Crowley. Although Crowley wouldn't have done enough to win one I think. Dave Moran put in a hell of a show in the semi final against the Champions and can't get a nomination for midfield. "Is it codding the people they are?" I'd say we get 1 definitely for Paul Geaney and Shane Enright should also get one, but he might get squeezed out to give a "new fella" one. IMO he's now the best defending defender in the game. For a man marking job in particular, he'd be my number 1.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 6, 2016 16:02:32 GMT
Mark Griffin deserved a nomination. Clarke should get keeper. My team would be:
Clarke
Enright Cooper Harrison Keegan Boyle McHugh
Fenton Donnelly
Connolly Harte Kilkenny Geaney Quinlivan Rock
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 6, 2016 16:28:43 GMT
Strange Moran beat Brennan well in both ganes and was much better than Fenton in the semi final yet both of them are nominated for an All Star and Fenton for player of the year!!
This new media love in with Fenton is getting out of hand already. He should win an All Star yes, but player of the year? Then again if the likes of Jack McCaffrey and Michael Darragh MacAuley can win it anything is possible.
Also does Cian O Sullivan just get an automatic all star now every year just because hes another media darling? There were definitely at least 3 other half backs who stood out more than him, and usually thats what gets All Stars, you would think.
If i was to pick my team it would be.
Clarke
Harrison Cooper Enright
Keegan Boyle Durcan
Fenton Brennan
Comer Connolly McHugh
Geaney Quinlivan Rock
Not what it will be as the like of Philly McMahon and James McCarty will mose then likely won ones in back just for the fact that Dublin won. Also god only knows how but Kilkenny will somehow end up winning one again
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Post by glengael on Oct 6, 2016 18:12:49 GMT
4 nominations ? Very shabby treatment. I believe Tyrone got 6. Maddness.
I hope MHR will be raising this in the Dail.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 6, 2016 18:48:19 GMT
We all know the All Star awards are biased in favour of the All Ireland finalists and in years where Kerry do not make the final we are frequently overlooked - the most ever won by Kerry in a year that they did not content the final is 2 (on four occasions) and 1 (on eight occasions) and 0 (on 10 occassions). Since 1971 the average representation of the winners of the AI is 6.2 with Dublin being above average at 6.5 and Kerry below average at 6.0. Tyrone have the highest average with 7.33 (3 wins)and Down the lowest at 5.5 (2 wins). In the same period losing finalists averaged 3.5 awards with Meath (4.7 from 3) the highest and Armagh (2.5 from 2) being the extremes. Therefore expect Dublin and Mayo to share 10 awards (at least) with five scattered amongst the others. Heath Warning - with all the talk of this being the greatest ever Dublin side in the media watch to see if they go near the record 9 all stars given to the Dublin team of 1977 (repeated in 1981 for the Kerry 4 in a row side).
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 6, 2016 19:16:15 GMT
The important thing is getting the canister and fortunately journalists have no say in that ( unless you're Lee Keegan- only joking!). If you have it, the All Stars are just icing on the cake, if you haven't got it the All Star is a very poor substitute. Last year we lost the final to Dublin and got four All Stars. This year we lost the semi to Dublin and get four nominations - go figure as the Americans say. We didn't have the chance to showcase our talent in the Champoinship before the semis but then neither did Dublin. As I said elsewhere, I won't get too annoyed about comparisons with others. As long as Paul Geaney gets one the outcome will have lived up to my (low) expectations.
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Post by fitz on Oct 6, 2016 22:54:56 GMT
Galway - ah stop, all star nominations based on one game v Mayo. It's hard to give that any value either given how low in the gears Mayo were at that point, and Mayo's subsequent stumble through the qualifiers. They beat a rotting Roscommon team and were hammered by Tipperary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 16:14:25 GMT
1 Cluxton 2 Harrison 3 Cooper 4 Enright 5 Keegan 6 O'Sullivan 7 Durcan 8 Fenton 9 Donnelly 10 Harte 11 Connolly 12 Kilkenny 13 Geaney 14 Quinlivan 15 O'Connor
Kilkenny easily player of the year . We have yet to see the best of this young man. Fine player.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 7, 2016 16:23:43 GMT
1 Cluxton 2 Harrison 3 Cooper 4 Enright 5 Keegan 6 O'Sullivan 7 Durcan 8 Fenton 9 Donnelly 10 Harte 11 Connolly 12 Kilkenny 13 Geaney 14 Quinlivan 15 O'Connor Kilkenny easily player of the year . We have yet to see the best of this young man. Fine player. I hope Kilkenny isn't player of the year. He has played some boring *e this year (whether instructed or not). Also I would give it to Rock over Cillian O'Connor every day of the week.
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Post by fealeside on Oct 7, 2016 16:26:56 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks that Connolly had an average year going by his high standards? I wouldn't be giving him an all-star at all. He got enough of it off Keegan both days
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Post by fitz on Oct 7, 2016 16:54:03 GMT
1 Cluxton 2 Harrison 3 Cooper 4 Enright 5 Keegan 6 O'Sullivan 7 Durcan 8 Fenton 9 Donnelly 10 Harte 11 Connolly 12 Kilkenny 13 Geaney 14 Quinlivan 15 O'Connor Kilkenny easily player of the year . We have yet to see the best of this young man. Fine player. I hope Kilkenny isn't player of the year. He has played some boring *e this year (whether instructed or not). Also I would give it to Rock over Cillian O'Connor every day of the week. I think Fenton - in my view without question Mayo would have won the drawn game but for Fenton specifically. He glued misfiring the Dubs together.
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Post by fitz on Oct 7, 2016 17:01:36 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks that Connolly had an average year going by his high standards? I wouldn't be giving him an all-star at all. He got enough of it off Keegan both days I think that's fair - I wouldn't be giving him an All-Star this year - he could have cost Dublin the game the first day, when he put personal gain ahead of the correct team decision to recycle from the sideline ball, and kill the clock. He's been a black/red card liability for most of the Championship.He's going to cost Dublin one of these days - he's been riding a high line of good fortune between avoding dismissals and then having suspensions from ones received overturned on every occasion, this past 3 years. I'm clearly caught the Cillian O'Connor bug that the 'Scaul' has - it has transmuted to Connolly strain in my affliction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 17:36:20 GMT
1 Cluxton 2 Harrison 3 Cooper 4 Enright 5 Keegan 6 O'Sullivan 7 Durcan 8 Fenton 9 Donnelly 10 Harte 11 Connolly 12 Kilkenny 13 Geaney 14 Quinlivan 15 O'Connor Kilkenny easily player of the year . We have yet to see the best of this young man. Fine player. I hope Kilkenny isn't player of the year. He has played some boring *e this year (whether instructed or not). Also I would give it to Rock over Cillian O'Connor every day of the week. Rock over O'Connor no chance . Cillian O'Connor carried the mayo forward line in his own . The rest of the mayo forwards didn't perform and it cost them . Mayo would not have made the all Ireland without him. Give me O'Connor any day.
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Post by fitz on Oct 7, 2016 19:01:12 GMT
Andy Moran played well, off scraps.
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Post by southward on Oct 7, 2016 19:07:53 GMT
Galway - ah stop, all star nominations based on one game v Mayo. It's hard to give that any value either given how low in the gears Mayo were at that point, and Mayo's subsequent stumble through the qualifiers. They beat a rotting Roscommon team and were hammered by Tipperary. Galway getting the same amount of shouts as Kerry is just farcical. They stank the place out in the Roscommon game and were simply abysmal against Tipp. Shouldn't have got any nominations. Their minors were a better side.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 19:11:32 GMT
Not a hope will cillian o Connor get one. Both rock and mcmenamon had better years. Ryan Mc Hugh should get one but will miss out to keep the Dublin/mayo quota up.
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Post by southward on Oct 7, 2016 19:11:53 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks that Connolly had an average year going by his high standards? I wouldn't be giving him an all-star at all. He got enough of it off Keegan both days I think that's fair - I wouldn't be giving him an All-Star this year - he could have cost Dublin the game the first day, when he put personal gain ahead of the correct team decision to recycle from the sideline ball, and kill the clock. He's been a black/red card liability for most of the Championship.He's going to cost Dublin one of these days - he's been riding a high line of good fortune between avoding dismissals and then having suspensions from ones received overturned on every occasion, this past 3 years. I'm clearly caught the Cillian O'Connor bug that the 'Scaul' has - it has transmuted to Connolly strain in my affliction. Scoring rate was mediocre too.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Oct 7, 2016 19:34:24 GMT
Am a fan of Cillian o Connor but Dean Rock has been outstanding this year. Movement much more improved and great from play. I don't think cillian o connor carried Mayo this year. Apart from his point from play against Dublin in drawn game he's been poor by his standards. Needs to do better from play. And Ciaran Kilkenny? What has he done good this year apart from getting a few hand passes and laying it on around the 45 yard line. I don't think he's even scored this year he's been very average. The only thing he done good was catch a kick out v Mayo with a minute to go. Paul Murphy should get one hopefully. Darren had a great year aswell in fairness. I'd have him ahead of Kilkenny.1.Comerford. 2.harrison. 3.Cooper.4.Enright. 5.keegan. 6.P.durcan. 7.ryan mchugh. 8.Fenton. 9. Donnelly. (Should be Moran) 10. Paul Murphy. 11. Kevin Mac.12. Harte. 13. Geaney. 14. Rock. 15. Quinlivan
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 20:15:27 GMT
Ah come on, you think Kerry deserve the same as Dublin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 22:34:12 GMT
Not a hope will cillian o Connor get one. Both rock and mcmenamon had better years. Ryan Mc Hugh should get one but will miss out to keep the Dublin/mayo quota up. You're so knowledgeable!! . Tell us oh wise one what else do you know. If you say he won't get one then it's got to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 0:00:00 GMT
He won't get one. Want to put a bet on it?
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 8, 2016 10:58:06 GMT
Storm in a teacup stuff but entertaining nonetheless. Huge polarisation of opinions on Kilkenny. Don't even know what to make of him myself. An under age scoring machine, who seems to have sacrificed all of that to in effect be the link man of the team. As an orthodox half forward he shouldn't be anywhere near a nomination but if you asked his teammates who was their most valuable player I reckon he'd top that poll. Boyle never an allstar. Not in the same parish as O'Sullivan. For Kerry, Enright, Moran, Geaney should all be close. Maybe DOS also.
As regards POTY, Philly should have got it last year but his face don't fit. I'd have no issue with Fenton or Keegan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 11:14:04 GMT
He won't get one. Want to put a bet on it? Can't afford any bets Ciarrai. Legion boys are the only ones making money in Killarney.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 8, 2016 15:13:55 GMT
Storm in a teacup stuff but entertaining nonetheless. Huge polarisation of opinions on Kilkenny. Don't even know what to make of him myself. An under age scoring machine, who seems to have sacrificed all of that to in effect be the link man of the team. As an orthodox half forward he shouldn't be anywhere near a nomination but if you asked his teammates who was their most valuable player I reckon he'd top that poll. Boyle never an allstar. Not in the same parish as O'Sullivan. For Kerry, Enright, Moran, Geaney should all be close. Maybe DOS also. As regards POTY, Philly should have got it last year but his face don't fit. I'd have no issue with Fenton or Keegan. Agree I Philly POTY. Disagree on Cian O'Sullivan. Not sure if he has been as good as other years.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Oct 8, 2016 20:09:00 GMT
We will get a maximum of 2 All Stars. Enright deserves one but might lose out. Geaney is a stone wall certainty. Quinlivan will get one for Tipp. Midfield will be Fenton and it would be brilliant to see Brennan be rewarded for his many years of sterling service. However, Mattie Donnelly will probably get the 2nd slot. I think Peter Harte deserves to be on the team too. The rest will be Dublin/Mayo. I think Keegan or Fenton should be player of the year. Both were phenomenal this year. Kilkenny? Point and hand pass point and hand pass.
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Post by fitz on Oct 9, 2016 0:10:09 GMT
Darran had a great year. To think that 4 Galway players got nominations ahead of him. Farce. Disgrace in fact.
NaCrocaigh could you please accept opinions that are in disagreement with your own with more respect. Everything doesn't have to be a fight.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 9, 2016 8:35:10 GMT
I dont get this nonsense about Brennan getting one- he was absolutely cleaned twice against Kerry. In both games he was anonymous so this patronising malark of giving him a pat on the head because Clare did a little less worse than usual is fairly annoying- he doesnt deserve one and surprised he's even nominated but do understand that he is a romantic choice for some
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 9, 2016 12:41:47 GMT
Cluxton.
Harrison, Cooper, Enright...could McCarron push one of those out?
Keegan, Small and McHugh.
Fenton and Acheson for MF?
Kilkenny, Connolly and Peter Harte.
Quinlivan, Geaney and Rock FF.
7 Dub, 2 Mayo, 2 Kerry, 2 Tipp, 1 Don, 1 Tyrone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 14:30:12 GMT
Galway - ah stop, all star nominations based on one game v Mayo. It's hard to give that any value either given how low in the gears Mayo were at that point, and Mayo's subsequent stumble through the qualifiers. They beat a rotting Roscommon team and were hammered by Tipperary. You showed the Galway players nominated a lot of respect too didn't you. Get off your Pedestal fool.
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Post by fitz on Oct 9, 2016 21:05:27 GMT
Galway - ah stop, all star nominations based on one game v Mayo. It's hard to give that any value either given how low in the gears Mayo were at that point, and Mayo's subsequent stumble through the qualifiers. They beat a rotting Roscommon team and were hammered by Tipperary. You showed the Galway players nominated a lot of respect too didn't you. Get off your Pedestal fool. I thought it was pretty clear that context of my request was concerning the posters on the site. To answer your point about Galway, my criticism was indeed very strong, I think it's 100% accurate but let me know your views. I did individually name Paul Conroy, the purpose being to contrast how harsh it was on Dave Moran to miss a nomination. I don't believe there was any personal disrespect extended to any Galway player. You might say Conroy, but as explained was contrasting Moran as opposed to dissecting the man. Was my ask of you unfair?
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