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Post by fg on Aug 6, 2016 20:43:34 GMT
Sure if you want to believe, knock yourself out. I'd choose belief over guff anyday
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 6, 2016 20:50:32 GMT
I must say Ciarraíabú that unlike your good self I've no doubt the Kerry players will absolutely believe they have what it takes to beat Dublin. They will have being building for this game all year. It was clear from a long way out this was always going to be the case. Brogan,Rock and Paddy Andrews all were off the boil today.
Playing Ciaran Kilkenny in the half back line also suggests the Dubs aren't top heavy in that department. Yes he had a very good game but personally I'd like to see him back there rather than his natural habitat. Apparently James McCarthy was barely moving today in the warm up. He may not be fully fit when the Kingdom roll into town. For all the negative press re Kerry I think we're in a great spot..Totally written off .History has proven that a Kerry team written off comes with a sting..I can't wait!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 20:56:53 GMT
I predicted Tyrone v Dublin final myself. I though they would have too much for Mayo but who knows maybe this is finally the year Mayo brings it home still can't see them getting over Dublin in a final though. I think we all want Kerry to beat Dublin and we do have the tradition. I have seen nothing though since the final last year to say they can win. Clare Tipp and Clare is not exactly the best preparation for the Dubs. Maybe they can rise their game for it. I think they are too nice too lately with Dublin giving them away too much respect and space on the field. It wouldn't hurt for Kerry to come and lay a few hits on them early just to show them that they are not going to have it easy this time. A bit more aggression wouldn't hurt against them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 21:10:16 GMT
I must remember this for future reference.
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 6, 2016 21:54:45 GMT
I wonder has Eamonn got something up his sleeve for the semi? I'll like to imagine he has. Every single player and subs will have to play out of their skins to beat the dubs but it could happen. I'm really hoping for star geaney odonogue full forward line with donacha Darren and O'Brien half forward, Bryan and Moran, Murphy Crowley and begley with enright griffin and Killian. In terms of subs I see maher Buckley bjk Morley and gooch needed to make big impacts. Rotating star in and out key to success as well as James suplementing the good form Geaney has
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Post by Hicser on Aug 6, 2016 22:56:41 GMT
I wonder has Eamonn got something up his sleeve for the semi? I'll like to imagine he has. Every single player and subs will have to play out of their skins to beat the dubs but it could happen. I'm really hoping for star geaney odonogue full forward line with donacha Darren and O'Brien half forward, Bryan and Moran, Murphy Crowley and begley with enright griffin and Killian. In terms of subs I see maher Buckley bjk Morley and gooch needed to make big impacts. Rotating star in and out key to success as well as James suplementing the good form Geaney has Eamonn needs to get his players to play well, that did not happen last year when we were flat. Regardless of systems, tactics the players themselves need to be tuned to the right frame of mind. That needs to be aggressive with a positive attitude. This alone can bring is close to Dublin. I don't think Dublin are that much better if any then Kerry once we believe in ourselves. That is what a great manager must get in to his team. I'm not convinced we have that ability from the management. Last year we were weak on the line and that is with the greatest respect to EF,
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Post by thebluepanther on Aug 6, 2016 23:56:13 GMT
Eamonn needs to get his players to play well, that did not happen last year when we were flat. Regardless of systems, tactics the players themselves need to be tuned to the right frame of mind. That needs to be aggressive with a positive attitude. This alone can bring is close to Dublin. I don't think Dublin are that much better if any then Kerry once we believe in ourselves. That is what a great manager must get in to his team. I'm not convinced we have that ability from the management. Last year we were weak on the line and that is with the greatest respect to EF, I don't doubt that Kerry on the day could beat Dublin and to think otherwise would be foolish and arrogant, But you have kinda just about stated the obvious there on what any team needs to do to beat their opponent. Bar the statement that the two team are similar in skill sets, while Kerry have some outstanding players , ye don't have enough of them in key positions in my view . Although I certainly wouldn't dismiss the notion that an early goal for ye could change how the game would pan out.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 7, 2016 0:13:06 GMT
I wonder has Eamonn got something up his sleeve for the semi? I'll like to imagine he has. Every single player and subs will have to play out of their skins to beat the dubs but it could happen. I'm really hoping for star geaney odonogue full forward line with donacha Darren and O'Brien half forward, Bryan and Moran, Murphy Crowley and begley with enright griffin and Killian. In terms of subs I see maher Buckley bjk Morley and gooch needed to make big impacts. Rotating star in and out key to success as well as James suplementing the good form Geaney has Eamonn needs to get his players to play well, that did not happen last year when we were flat. Regardless of systems, tactics the players themselves need to be tuned to the right frame of mind. That needs to be aggressive with a positive attitude. This alone can bring is close to Dublin. I don't think Dublin are that much better if any then Kerry once we believe in ourselves. That is what a great manager must get in to his team. I'm not convinced we have that ability from the management. Last year we were weak on the line and that is with the greatest respect to EF, I agree with you. Sure Dublin may be the superior footballing force just now but looking back at last year Kerry’s management did not help themselves make it any easier during 2015. Bringing Paul Galvin back into the panel to upset a team dynamic where all were equal was a bizarre decision, as was the handling of Tommy Walsh and dropping of team captain Kieran D for the final. The erratic behaviour on the line during the All Ireland final further pointed to a management that had lost its way. Why was the Kerry team so flat in an All Ireland final? I've never seen it happen before to Kerry in an All Ireland final. The miracle was only losing by 3 points. While Éamonn got a massive response from his players in 2014, it was the polar opposite in 2015. Why? Have lessons been learnt? I don’t think so. Dropping the team captain again in our last fixture, this time Bryan Sheehan for the quarterfinal against Clare was silly. Apart from taking away a major scoring threat for Kerry, did it really improve our midfield? Not a bit. Having a reliable free taker is a must have for any top team who wants to win an All Ireland. Converting the frees also gives oxygen to other players to have a cut, especially forwards. Moreover, I think when you miss frees you add massive pressure on other forwards to convert. Ever notice how often it happens when a free taker is too often off range the team kicking becomes erratic and those wides pile up. Look at Tyrone against Mayo in their quarter final clash for the latest example. Bryan Sheehan has proven himself to be one of the best players in Kerry during the county championship and when you show him confidence he will reward you. This Kerry management are only breaking his confidence and it annoys me no end. Now even if Éamonn Fitzmaurice was to step down after this season without winning another All Ireland, his managerial legacy would be secure with the fantastic achievement of winning the All Ireland against the head in 2014. The coming years may prove 2014 was a magical oasis during a transitional period for Kerry football. With so much talented youth bubbling to the surface the future is bright for Kerry football but it will take time to mature.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 7, 2016 3:11:38 GMT
Now it must be a minority view but I will be disappointed if one Samuel Maguire spends this Winter away from home. The Dubs have gone flat and while I won't go into detail on it, this one is winnable by us.
Full credit to Mayo and boy did they ruffle Tyrone, broke down Sean Cavanagh and frustrated the Red Hand, a lot of us said that it would be won on the sideline and while we were right, we were 100% wrong in thinking Mickey would roast Rochford. I did think Tipp would fare better v Mayo but I wasn't envisaging that Mayo would improve to such an extent.
I see little between the three and it is now in the capable hands of Éamonn & co.
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 7, 2016 8:41:08 GMT
The free-taking was missed, but Sheehan was not at it in the Munster Championship. His mobility is a huge concern, and he would likely be targeted by Dublin to try to drag him around the pitch. Granted, the other midfield options are not where they could be either (Maher - not match fit; Moran - off the boil).
Also, if you start Sheehan, is he going to last the full 70 mins? Dublin's way of closing out the game yesterday involved conceding lots of frees, and that would be the best time to have Sheehan on.
Kerry need to start Donaghy FF. Have Geaney in there too. Kerry need to be aggressive and assertive from minute 1. My fear is that doesn't come naturally to enough of the players.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 7, 2016 8:54:12 GMT
Would be concerned about Dublin less today than this time yesterday. The unbeatable veneer has faded in my eyes. Yes must take it to Dublin, Donaghy FF, Sheehan for last 20 minutes, love to see stats on when frees are conceded during game. We are under dogs, that is the way you wAnt it!
Mayo by 5 and Dublin by 3 according to odds.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 7, 2016 10:01:03 GMT
What we need is a repeat of 2009 or 2013 with the opposite result. As long as we give it out best shot we can hope to pull it off.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2016 10:21:31 GMT
The general consensus around the by roads of Kerry and the many watering holes is that Kerry currently don't have the legs to beat this Dublin team. This rules them out in a shoot out or a massed breakaway from amassed blanket defence. Only one other option remains. Smoother them high up in the field and strangle. Any variation poorly carried out of any three options by Kerry will surely result in a Dublin victory.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 7, 2016 10:29:48 GMT
What we need is a repeat of 2009 or 2013 with the opposite result. As long as we give it out best shot we can hope to pull it off. Is that 2011 or 2013?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2016 10:38:39 GMT
Rashers was telling us earlier in the year that when Bernard, Cluxton and one of two more of the lads over 30 retire that this era for Dublin will end and they will slip back into the pack. Well, it was Mannion, Fenton, Kilkenny and Small that drove them yesterday so Dublin are going to be the number one team to beat for the foreseeable future in my view.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2016 10:47:07 GMT
While not invincible, you still require a team that is good enough to beat Dublin. That team is possibly not out there at the moment.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 7, 2016 11:13:54 GMT
What we need is a repeat of 2009 or 2013 with the opposite result. As long as we give it out best shot we can hope to pull it off. Is that 2011 or 2013? The 2013 semi. Just like 2009 with the quick raid on the Dublin goal. With a bit of luck we could have held on to win but Dublin 2013 were better than the 2009 version in that they didn't let the heads drop after an early reverse.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 7, 2016 11:47:48 GMT
While not invincible, you still require a team that is good enough to beat Dublin. That team is possibly not out there at the moment. Hmm, I'm wondering now if Mayo just might be that team. Mayo bullied Tyrone yesterday and I mean bullied. It seems to me they have enough bad bastards with serious chips on the shoulder acquired from some harsh lessons over the years to bring the fight to Dublin. Mayo also have some fine footballers but the necessary darkness is now there as well.
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Post by tyroneperson on Aug 7, 2016 12:05:08 GMT
While not invincible, you still require a team that is good enough to beat Dublin. That team is possibly not out there at the moment. Hmm, I'm wondering now if Mayo just might be that team. Mayo bullied Tyrone yesterday and I mean bullied. It seems to me they have enough bad bastards with serious chips on the shoulder acquired from some harsh lessons over the years to bring the fight to Dublin. Mayo also have some fine footballers but the necessary darkness is now there as well. Not sure how you to came to the conclusion that they 'bullied' Tyrone, they hardly overran us and it was pretty even in the physical and cynicism stakes. Personally I can't see any team beating Dublin this year but stranger things have happened I suppose.
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Post by ciarrailar on Aug 7, 2016 12:08:45 GMT
To beat Dublin, we need to push up and go man to man for Cluxton's kick outs. We did it for a while last year and he completely cracked under pressure. This guy isn't half as good as people think he is. Yes he hits over 90% of kick outs, but that a piece of cake when you're hitting a free man in open space. Last year he kicked three balls out over the sideline and another three or four into kerry hands when we squeezed up on him. He looks for the quick kick every time which means the ball is ready to go, then with nobody free he has to kick fast before he gets blown for delaying. This is when he cracks.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 7, 2016 12:11:33 GMT
The 2013 semi. Just like 2009 with the quick raid on the Dublin goal. With a bit of luck we could have held on to win but Dublin 2013 were better than the 2009 version in that they didn't let the heads drop after an early reverse. Ah with u now
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Post by buck02 on Aug 7, 2016 12:18:53 GMT
I must say Ciarraíabú that unlike your good self I've no doubt the Kerry players will absolutely believe they have what it takes to beat Dublin. They will have being building for this game all year. It was clear from a long way out this was always going to be the case. Brogan,Rock and Paddy Andrews all were off the boil today. Playing Ciaran Kilkenny in the half back line also suggests the Dubs aren't top heavy in that department. Yes he had a very good game but personally I'd like to see him back there rather than his natural habitat. Apparently James McCarthy was barely moving today in the warm up. He may not be fully fit when the Kingdom roll into town. For all the negative press re Kerry I think we're in a great spot..Totally written off .History has proven that a Kerry team written off comes with a sting..I can't wait! Kilkenny was unmarked for the entire game, I wonder how many of his 50 or so touches of the ball involved him running across with the ball under his arm for about 8 steps before a big hoofer of a handpass sideways 20 yards to a team-mate. I cant see them playing him anywhere but wing forward against us. The fact James McCarthy didnt come on when things got a bit hairy yesterday suggest he is not fit. Its a 2 point swing in our favour if he doesnt play in the semi final. Massive 3 weeks ahead - if we can keep injury free and get Gooch, Johnny and Mikey Geaney back in shape then we have a chance. Getting the players to believe they can take Dublin should be that bit easier after yesterday.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2016 12:21:25 GMT
While not invincible, you still require a team that is good enough to beat Dublin. That team is possibly not out there at the moment. Hmm, I'm wondering now if Mayo just might be that team. Mayo bullied Tyrone yesterday and I mean bullied. It seems to me they have enough bad bastards with serious chips on the shoulder acquired from some harsh lessons over the years to bring the fight to Dublin. Mayo also have some fine footballers but the necessary darkness is now there as well. Its one thing negating the influence of Sean Cavanagh. Tyrone were always going to need goals to win that game and Bourke saved the one clean chance Tyrone had. So lets say that its Mayo v Dublin.... who is the "Sean Cavanagh" in the Dublin team that Mayo must stop? There are about six it seems to me..... take your pick.... I think Mayo will reach the final in the same manner that they did in 2012 and 2013 and that is by avoiding the top team that year till the final. I think Mayo are better that the 2012 and 2013 teams because of the young players coming through such as Patrick Durcan and Diarmaid OConnor and Evan Regan. The toughest game Mayo will play will be in the final
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 7, 2016 12:23:39 GMT
I must say Ciarraíabú that unlike your good self I've no doubt the Kerry players will absolutely believe they have what it takes to beat Dublin. They will have being building for this game all year. It was clear from a long way out this was always going to be the case. Brogan,Rock and Paddy Andrews all were off the boil today. Playing Ciaran Kilkenny in the half back line also suggests the Dubs aren't top heavy in that department. Yes he had a very good game but personally I'd like to see him back there rather than his natural habitat. Apparently James McCarthy was barely moving today in the warm up. He may not be fully fit when the Kingdom roll into town. For all the negative press re Kerry I think we're in a great spot..Totally written off .History has proven that a Kerry team written off comes with a sting..I can't wait! Kilkenny was unmarked for the entire game, I wonder how many of his 50 or so touches of the ball involved him running across with the ball under his arm for about 8 steps before a big hoofer of a handpass sideways 20 yards to a team-mate. I cant see them playing him anywhere but wing forward against us. The fact James McCarthy didnt come on when things got a bit hairy yesterday suggest he is not fit. Its a 2 point swing in our favour if he doesnt play in the semi final. Massive 3 weeks ahead - if we can keep injury free and get Gooch, Johnny and Mikey Geaney back in shape then we have a chance. Getting the players to believe they can take Dublin should be that bit easier after yesterday. Agree 100% with last sentence
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Post by jackeensabhog on Aug 7, 2016 12:54:37 GMT
I must say Ciarraíabú that unlike your good self I've no doubt the Kerry players will absolutely believe they have what it takes to beat Dublin. They will have being building for this game all year. It was clear from a long way out this was always going to be the case. Brogan,Rock and Paddy Andrews all were off the boil today. Playing Ciaran Kilkenny in the half back line also suggests the Dubs aren't top heavy in that department. Yes he had a very good game but personally I'd like to see him back there rather than his natural habitat. Apparently James McCarthy was barely moving today in the warm up. He may not be fully fit when the Kingdom roll into town. For all the negative press re Kerry I think we're in a great spot..Totally written off .History has proven that a Kerry team written off comes with a sting..I can't wait! I thought Dublin defence was solid, conceding only 1-2 from play. As for the donegal goal, which was excellently worked, it was also the result of a rare lapse in concentration by Dublin. Overall, Byrne kept Mcbrearty to 1 point and Murphy was scoreless from play. Small had a great game and there are options on the bench such as fitzsimmons etc. Brogan and Andrews sacrificed their game to give Dublin space by drawing donegal defenders away from goal. Dublin should have gotten goals from this, if only Connolly was more accurate. My main worry would be Mdma. I thought he looked off the pace today. He looks like he has lost a yard or two. Moreover, it's Dublin v Kerry, so anything could happen. Whoever wins this will earn it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 7, 2016 22:43:28 GMT
Now it must be a minority view but I will be disappointed if one Samuel Maguire spends this Winter away from home. The Dubs have gone flat and while I won't go into detail on it, this one is winnable by us. Full credit to Mayo and boy did they ruffle Tyrone, broke down Sean Cavanagh and frustrated the Red Hand, a lot of us said that it would be won on the sideline and while we were right, we were 100% wrong in thinking Mickey would roast Rochford. I did think Tipp would fare better v Mayo but I wasn't envisaging that Mayo would improve to such an extent. I see little between the three and it is now in the capable hands of Éamonn & co. Tomás on TSG said that Dublin are not as good as they were last year and to which Lyster responded that 'everyone knows they can be beaten but nobody knows how'. Nobody disputed that Dublin would improve from the Donegal encounter so which stage of Dublin is Tomás comparing to '15? And here was I telling others to stop trying to predict results!
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 8, 2016 8:30:22 GMT
So is Ciarán Kilkenny the hammer to be hammered the next day??!!
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 8, 2016 8:46:51 GMT
Just a few questions in anticipation of what should be a great match;
Will Kerry consider playing Bryan Sheehan in goal?
Is Paul Murphy or Darren o Sullivan likely to try and negate cian o Sullivan's influence ?
Is Dublin's perceived weakness under the high ball a fallacy or can Kerry exploit it with more nuanced ball?
Is fenton's pace in the middle a game changer in terms of pushing up on dublin's kick out?
Will dublins indiscipline be their undoing ?
Will EF persist with youth in the half back line ?
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Post by glengael on Aug 8, 2016 8:58:36 GMT
Just a few questions in anticipation of what should be a great match; Will Kerry consider playing Bryan Sheehan in goal? Is Paul Murphy or Darren o Sullivan likely to try and negate cian o Sullivan's influence ? Is Dublin's perceived weakness under the high ball a fallacy or can Kerry exploit it with more nuanced ball? Is fenton's pace in the middle a game changer in terms of pushing up on dublin's kick out? Will dublins indiscipline be their undoing ? Will EF persist with youth in the half back line ? 1. Hope not. it's years since he played there. No evidence he has retained any of the necessary skills other than being able to kick it long. And what does it say about our existing keepers? It would be like to Galvin 2015 fiasco all over again. 2. That may be key to how it all unfolds. I would go with P. Murphy for that. 3. Yes to the first part. 4. Yes. 5.No.Not at all. 6. I hope so.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 8, 2016 9:19:48 GMT
Many rumours about concerning Sheehan starting in goal- would be complete madness in my opinion given the specialist nature of the position- a good catcher and kicker he may be but far more than that required!
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