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Post by fitz on Jul 31, 2016 17:36:57 GMT
Brings me back(wards)...end of 2014 replay with Mayo. Approx "Tension, drama, great scoring, Darragh, we've had it all" The last 4 words are exact copy, why I remember it, in that accent of his. I'll summarize the essence of what is his every commentary when Kerry are playing. "If %opposing% team were just better they'd f***ing beat Kerry" Sanitized into an in-game examples "He really needed to get that score,he'll be kicking himself, to keep pressure on Kerry -or- if they could tag on a point or two before half time they ne still well in this game OR "That's really bad defending, he must get tighter to JOD.." (knock yourself out Tombo...) Anyone remember the ferocious butthole leg volley he dished to Tony Boyle(I think)of Donegal in a league final in d'early 90s?. Got his and Tone's arse reddened for it. Red mist, red leg, red arse, red card, read riot act. It was in slang as when us as young uns reflecting on any vicious ball strike - "a blarger"
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Post by thechosenone on Jul 31, 2016 17:51:21 GMT
Anyone else a little pissed off about all this injury time all of a sudden. Brings back memories of 2011 and Cluxton taking nearly 2 minutes to take the free and Kerry not being given a chance after.
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Post by southward on Jul 31, 2016 17:52:01 GMT
People are saying that Kerry never got out of first gear, etc is fine but ignores the very obvious fundamental issues such as free taking bring a farce, lads taking shots when they shouldn't, kicking stupid wife's from 25 yards out and just not having any real pace in the middle third. I really think that we're in trouble if we go with this same system and players. Jack will have his job cut out for him next year A smart wife would get out of the way
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Post by kerryscoob on Jul 31, 2016 17:52:27 GMT
What utter tripe... If this is the way Kerry have to play football to beat a minnow ( lads don't be fooling ourselves ) it's not worth it. No one to take a decent free, shot selection brutal at times, Clare had a number of goal opportunities, tackiling? No such thing, pulling and dragging lazy efforts. At this stage I'm scratching my head to the type of football we are playing, Dublin B team would hockey us playing a brand at football which is a much better spectacle.
EF has I think a lot to answer for, team I sorry to saying are going backwards no improvement.
Sorry for rant haven't commented in a long time, but what Tipp achieved in the 2nd game was today's only saving grace.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2016 18:08:56 GMT
Kerry long distance shooting is not up to the required standard. Against a real defense Kerry will struggle to get ten points and will depend on goals to win. I would have preferred to see Tom Sullivan and Barry O'Sullivan get a run ahead of Marc and aiden.
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Post by fitz on Jul 31, 2016 18:22:04 GMT
People are saying that Kerry never got out of first gear, etc is fine but ignores the very obvious fundamental issues such as free taking bring a farce, lads taking shots when they shouldn't, kicking stupid wife's from 25 yards out and just not having any real pace in the middle third. I really think that we're in trouble if we go with this same system and players. Jack will have his job cut out for him next year One of the fundamentals in every game are mistakes. The great players make less of them, but they cannot be eradicated, hence everyone of us is always trying to improve in whatever we do in life. These more blatant and simple errors happen more when playing weaker teams. Uncontrollable subconscious bias, e.g. we won't lose this game, hence lapses if concentration. Not excusable but maybe part of the issue. I'm sick of the first gear story sh1te too. Clare are a decent team. They are nowhere near AI winning quality but they have talent, belief and unity and good organization. They are not whipping boys. I'm wondering is there ANY way the consensus amongst our supporters would be of satisfaction upon ANY result of this game? The F'nanimal syndrome. This needs to considered for all appraisals of the Kerry team. The free taking. I don't know one of the top teams in contention that has more than one capable distance free taker. Dublin-Rock. Who else? Brogan and Connolly could try but have no form from distance, only close range. Mayo - O'Connor. Dillon, Regan or Moran short. Donegal - Murphy, McBrearty and Lacey short. Tyrone - Cavanagh and Harte( does he do distance?) and McCurry short. We have Sheehan, Moran and Buckley also for distance but both the latter are not accurate enough. James, Gooch, P. Geaney, BJK, all have the short stuff covered. I think overall we fare ok, the big glitch is Sheehan is not an automatic starter. The lack of pace in midfield is unfortunately a fact. We don't have players with the necessary attributes that also have the pace. This is a vulnerability as a management team must seek to minimize in four weeks time, assuming Dublin win. Donegal could yet be a tricky fish. That said, Moran, Sheehan, Maher, Donaghy, Buckley need to really step up and nail their bread and butter plays and impose themselves much more aggressively in their closing of space, tracking and clean forceful tackling. I sense the frustration in your post, but we negotiated the game comfortably in my view, I couldn't take any more from it than that. I'm going to maybe naively but genuinely state that our lads 1:1 need to do a lot better than in our last two games v Dublin. Systems and sectors won't be as prominent then.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 31, 2016 18:49:50 GMT
Brings me back(wards)...end of 2014 replay with Mayo. Approx "Tension, drama, great scoring, Darragh, we've had it all" The last 4 words are exact copy, why I remember it, in that accent of his. I'll summarize the essence of what is his every commentary when Kerry are playing. "If %opposing% team were just better they'd f***ing beat Kerry" Sanitized into an in-game examples "He really needed to get that score,he'll be kicking himself, to keep pressure on Kerry -or- if they could tag on a point or two before half time they ne still well in this game OR "That's really bad defending, he must get tighter to JOD.." (knock yourself out Tombo...) Anyone remember the ferocious butthole leg volley he dished to Tony Boyle(I think)of Donegal in a league final in d'early 90s?. Got his and Tone's arse reddened for it. Red mist, red leg, red arse, red card, read riot act. It was in slang as when us as young uns reflecting on any vicious ball strike - "a blarger" His commentary in 2014 vs Galway advocated them playing about 21 players -- he wanted every Kerry forward double-marked.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2016 18:55:39 GMT
I think twas Brian Murray that Tommy Carr kicked in that infamous league final. The army v the gardai...the top brass were not impressed. When Dublin played Meath in 1991 four game saga Tommy was the dubs captain and gave a little pep talk at half time and full time and at half time in extra time in each game. When Tommy wound up to give yet another little pep talk at half time in the 4th game Keith Barr jumped and shouted "will you ever shut the f... up", Tommy promptly stfu.
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Post by inchperfect on Jul 31, 2016 19:13:21 GMT
Anyone else a little pissed off about all this injury time all of a sudden. Brings back memories of 2011 and Cluxton taking nearly 2 minutes to take the free and Kerry not being given a chance after. Isn't the point of the introduction of the huge amount of injury time so that all stoppages are added on, meaning that the timewasting is now accounted for? I think it's a great thing for that exact reason, of what Cluxton was doing in 2011 and 2015. But the referee should use the common sense, there was no need to play the full 6 minutes in both games when the game was already over, 4 would've done fine.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 31, 2016 19:55:20 GMT
The natives are restless.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 31, 2016 19:55:37 GMT
Not long home from Croke park on a day of days for Tipperary football. Fair play to them but it must be said Galway were awful.
Watching Kerry has become infuriating and frustrating. I sat in the Davin end today and our forward movement was fantastic, at times. On the other hand, we were sloppy and lethargic at other times. Jameso was very lively and some of his movement off the ball was a sight to behold. Stephen O Brien was excellent at times too and he has serious pace. Paul was quiet by his own standards. Still, our full forward line, with the correct ball, will trouble the best defences.
Issues 1 Paul Murphy. This man is an absolute lion for Kerry, however I think he offers so much defensively that we really are borrowing from Peter to pay paul. We have plenty of forward talent and I think Fitz needs to be more positive in his selection for the semi and pick forwards in forward positions.
2 Midfield. This is what really infuriates me. We play the same slow players in the middle. Time after time today our defenders were left exposed as runners weren't tracked by our midfielders. Clare had 2 man overlaps at various stages of the second half and had they been more composed and had a little more good fortune, they would surely have converted at least 2 of them. I don't think that our problems necessarily come from the back 6, I think as midfield tires, then we get the overlaps and we are made look very ragged.
3 Kick outs. In the Munster final, I think about 10/15 mins into the 2nd half, Kelly had a brain freeze of some sort and kicked away 2/3 kick outs. We had a repeat of this today. Against a better team we will be punished very severely. Work to do.
Overall another game where we haven't really seen Kerry play well or consistently. I really hope things come together for the semi final or we will be staring down the barrel of another trouncing.
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Post by Chinatown on Jul 31, 2016 20:02:00 GMT
En route from in laws in north Meath , conspicuous in my well travelled 1999 Ky jersey purchased in cork on a very wet day when we last left championship in July!! That would be the adidas one, rare
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Post by westmeathman on Jul 31, 2016 22:03:53 GMT
Anyone else a little pissed off about all this injury time all of a sudden. Brings back memories of 2011 and Cluxton taking nearly 2 minutes to take the free and Kerry not being given a chance after. Isn't the point of the introduction of the huge amount of injury time so that all stoppages are added on, meaning that the timewasting is now accounted for? I think it's a great thing for that exact reason, of what Cluxton was doing in 2011 and 2015. But the referee should use the common sense, there was no need to play the full 6 minutes in both games when the game was already over, 4 would've done fine.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 31, 2016 22:21:28 GMT
Isn't the point of the introduction of the huge amount of injury time so that all stoppages are added on, meaning that the timewasting is now accounted for? I think it's a great thing for that exact reason, of what Cluxton was doing in 2011 and 2015. But the referee should use the common sense, there was no need to play the full 6 minutes in both games when the game was already over, 4 would've done fine. I think it is more down to finally allowing added time for each substitution rather than for time wasting. We now often see about 10 substitutions in the 2nd half - this eats up alot of game time. Haven't seen it officially but I'm guessing they are now adding 30 seconds per sub as per soccer. Also a black card takes at least 1 minute by the time the ref issues the card, the player leaves the pitch and then a sub comes on.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 31, 2016 22:33:05 GMT
I think it is more down to finally allowing added time for each substitution rather than for time wasting. We now often see about 10 substitutions in the 2nd half - this eats up alot of game time. Haven't seen it officially but I'm guessing they are now adding 30 seconds per sub as per soccer. Also a black card takes at least 1 minute by the time the ref issues the card, the player leaves the pitch and then a sub comes on. I have heard a number of times that it is 20 seconds per sub.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 1, 2016 9:34:01 GMT
Kerry has comprehensively beaten two teams who have gone on to make the quarter finals. In contrast, all teams Dublin has played bar Westmeath (who haven't played since their defeat) are now out of the Championship along with every other Leinster team. Probably will count for nothing if/when we meet in the semi but something to ponder on for now. Reviewing this post in the light of the weekend. All Leinster teams bar one now gone and we have another comprehensive victory. The team we comprehensively beat in Munster has handed out a thrashing to the Connaught champions and are in the semi final. If we were playing Tipp instead of Clare yesterday would we have beaten them? Probably. And the same goes for the alternative options of Roscommon and Derry. What would we be calling Dublin if they had achieved as much? Unbeatable? Sorry I forgot they were being called that before the Championship even started. From a neutral's point of view our QF yesterday was very flat but that is what often happens when one team is clearly superior to the other. Think of all Dublin's Leinster games so far and no one is saying that they will have to be much sharper when they face Kerry. Of course that is because of the history of the past two finals. But the future is another country and anything can happen there.
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Post by kot on Aug 1, 2016 11:19:18 GMT
I don't know if there is anything new to say really. Been harping on about the same things since the drawn game against Cork in Killarney last year. Far, FAR too slow around the middle. Lacklustre tackling and needless fouling. (Donaghy a very lucky boy for all the talk he is a persecuted soul - he can be counting his blessings this morning). Cough up way too many goal chances and we've only properly been punished for that once in the last year, in the league final. I cant see the logic in you get let off the hook by a team spurning a goal chance, rather than shore things up your full back goes charging up the field loses the ball and 30 seconds after the first chance we have a 2 v 1 at the edge of the square! Get carved up again and again by teams running at us. Going forward poor shot selection at times. For the life of me I cant understand how you are home & hosed by the 40th minute and rather blood new young faces we bring on 2 great servants but who are 35 plus and are quite clearly not going to be able to roll back the clock against Dublin or Donegal for that matter.
Positives - Geaney showing real class at full forward. 1 wayward effort and loose pass but his fielding high or out front at chest high is a real bonus. JOD shaking off some ring rustiness. Badly need him firing. Darrens goal a corker. Murphy full of energy but more needed at the back.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 1, 2016 11:32:38 GMT
Yesterday I went up the road still confident we could win the All Ireland. My confidence was somewhat less on the journey home.
The main thing I took from yesterday is that Paul Murphy is needed in the backs if we are to beat Dublin. If Mikey Geaney and Johnny Buckley are back for the semi final that gives you two options in the half forward line to replace him. A half back line of Murphy, Crowley and Young with Lyne to come in would give you plenty of legs and a bit of physicality. Crowley doesnt seem to finish too many games, why so I wonder?
Midfield is a conundrum. Playing the 4 lads at various stages during the game there doesnt seem to working for me. Obviously neither Barry Sulllivan or Mark O Connor are going to be used against Dublin.
Up front I'd like to see the damage that James O, Paul Geaney, Darran, O Brien and Gooch could do close to goal. If the game is still in the balance when BJK comes on he could get the 2 or 3 points on a tired back that wins you the game. The worry is by the stage he comes on in the semi final, have we already conceded too much down the other end.
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Post by veteran on Aug 1, 2016 11:33:47 GMT
Perhaps it was the exhilarating quality of the Kerry minor team that induced me into thinking that, for the first time this year, we would witness a display from the seniors to lead us the think that we have a realistic chance of reaching the final. Of course it could be that the brilliance of the minors set my expectations too high. In any case, what ensued was mediocre at its peak and at times brutal. The mood was set with David Moran, who had a reasonable game, kicking frees like a juvenile. Only spasmodically did our standard of play excite, with few memorable moments, Darren's scintillating goal being the moment. The win was never in doubt of course but as I said after the Munster championship Dublin are the benchmark. Therefore any win must be put in that context.
It was pedestrian and slipshod. The backs were reasonably tight but yet it was good fortune that prevented Clare from registering three goals. The forwards looked classy and menacing occasionally but too often over hit passes, kick and hand, and above all it seemed to me that we desperately needed somebody on the forty to look up and spray it about. Darran for all his industry and incisiveness will not give you that. In fairness to him he was one of our brightest sparks but of course his tackling continues to be, well awful. Yesterday cried out for Colm wearing number eleven but I am not sure about his availability for the next day. If not ready ,I would consider Paul Geaney there. He oozes football nous, he can catch it and there are few out there who can kick as precise as he.
Midfield was just about adequate, no more than that. It is difficult to see EF starting KD there the next day and of course if Paul was started on the forty there would be a vacancy at full forward.
The full back line was resilient enough and the significant feature here is the return to form of Shane Enright. In connection with the half back line, why, when he is selected at CHB, is Peter Crowley usually played on the wing? Surely this man's physical presence would be better employed at number six.
I was surprised to see Doncha replaced so early. He probably had his best game of this year's championship even if his goal was fortuitous. While James understandably looked rusty there was the occasional hint of what he has done in the past and a promise that it could be reprised at the end of the month. Paul Murphy? The most serious indictment I can make against management is that they have reduced this tremendous defender to a sad, isolated, redundant figure in the forward line. He looked like an ordinary club player yesterday. This from a player who literally played Mark McHugh off the pitch in the 2014 final. The lunacy of this move defies football logic.
I wrote here that I was impressed with Tony Brosnan in the u21 games in Tralee in the spring. However, I did not expect him to jump into the senior panel so soon. He must be sparkling in training. Tony came on late in the game and won a few possessions. Another one to to keep an eye out for.
Brian Kelly? What is it about our goalies that each of them tend to experience a brainstorm for a couple of moments in various games. In Brian's case two or three of his kickouts were calamitous but of course the biggest boo boo of all was when he got a weak fist a to high which my grandmother, if she was alive , would easily have fielded. It is extraordinary that both Brian and Brendan continue to make these mistakes, particularly the poor kickouts, while they are mentored by Diarmuid Murphy. For goodness sake if you are not sure of the short kick out ,blast it out as long as you can. It would be an interesting study to compile a list of soft goals and points we have conceded through this faulty short kickout tactic.
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Post by southward on Aug 1, 2016 13:12:47 GMT
In relation to the long-range free/45 issue, fitzwop is correct that most teams only have one specialist. The problem of course is that, often as not, our specialist isn't on the pitch. Not slagging off David Moran, and fair play to him for putting the hand up, but his conversion rate is really poor. You'd have to wonder why someone else doesn't have a go at least? If they miss, they miss, but it can't get any worse. Paul Geaney comes to mind as a good striker of a ball. Worth practising at training surely?
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Post by keane on Aug 1, 2016 13:29:30 GMT
I don't see why we can't just take short ones, regardless of whether Sheehan is playing or not. It's not like we kick 100% of them when he's playing and it's not the hardest thing in the world to work a quick one for a shot from 35 yards, which probably has as much a chance of going over.
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Post by homerj on Aug 1, 2016 14:33:33 GMT
not a great performance, but its a win and thats all that matters.
we seem to be very lathergic at the moment. people are being very harsh on our midfield, though we dominated it yesterday against one of the best midfields in the country.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2016 14:56:05 GMT
We were never going to get a performance yesterday in a quarter final against Clare. I think Kerry will be primed for the Dubs in a months time. It will be interesting to see how far this takes them in what will be their All-Ireland final game. I don't believe there is a better team than Kerry remaining in the other side of the draw. I liked the condition of the players as they ambled around at half time in the minor game. All to play for in my opinion.
On an aside, it is totally bizarre that we cant coach a Kerry intercounty player to kick 45s, even in the space of four weeks to the next game. Bring in Maurice as kicking coach for the month and get the thing sorted ASP.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 1, 2016 15:11:43 GMT
We were never going to get a performance yesterday in a quarter final against Clare. I think Kerry will be primed for the Dubs in a months time. It will be interesting to see how far this takes them in what will be their All-Ireland final game. I don't believe there is a better team than Kerry remaining in the other side of the draw. I liked the condition of the players as they ambled around at half time in the minor game. All to play for in my opinion. On an aside, it is totally bizarre that we cant coach a Kerry intercounty player to kick 45s, even in the space of four weeks to the next game. Bring in Maurice as kicking coach for the month and get the thing sorted ASP. Out of all skills in the game- off the ground kicking is one of the ones that can be learned so I completely agree. You cant make a lad taller, you cant make him much faster (you can do a bit though), etc but you can teach him to kick off the ground as its not a skill that people are born with.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2016 15:13:41 GMT
We were never going to get a performance yesterday in a quarter final against Clare. I think Kerry will be primed for the Dubs in a months time. It will be interesting to see how far this takes them in what will be their All-Ireland final game. I don't believe there is a better team than Kerry remaining in the other side of the draw. I liked the condition of the players as they ambled around at half time in the minor game. All to play for in my opinion. On an aside, it is totally bizarre that we cant coach a Kerry intercounty player to kick 45s, even in the space of four weeks to the next game. Bring in Maurice as kicking coach for the month and get the thing sorted ASP. Out of all skills in the game- off the ground kicking is one of the ones that can be learned so I completely agree. You cant make a lad taller, you cant make him much faster (you can do a bit though), etc but you can teach him to kick off the ground as its not a skill that people are born with. Its not rocked science, just get the kicking leg through the ball at the right angle. FFS!
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Post by southward on Aug 1, 2016 15:16:44 GMT
not a great performance, but its a win and thats all that matters. we seem to be very lathergic at the moment. people are being very harsh on our midfield, though we dominated it yesterday against one of the best midfields in the country. True. Gary Brennan has been talked in terms of All-Star material lately; he was nullified yesterday, as he was in Killarney.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2016 15:19:39 GMT
not a great performance, but its a win and thats all that matters. we seem to be very lathergic at the moment. people are being very harsh on our midfield, though we dominated it yesterday against one of the best midfields in the country. True. Gary Brennan has been talked in terms of All-Star material lately; he was nullified yesterday, as he was in Killarney. Agreed, Star did a very good job on him yesterday. Denying Fenton primary possession would go a long way towards disrupting Dublin in the middle third.
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Post by fitz on Aug 1, 2016 21:40:36 GMT
Out of all skills in the game- off the ground kicking is one of the ones that can be learned so I completely agree. You cant make a lad taller, you cant make him much faster (you can do a bit though), etc but you can teach him to kick off the ground as its not a skill that people are born with. Its not rocked science, just get the kicking leg through the ball at the right angle. FFS! David has the distance and has landed a number of them. Last point of league match v Dublin this year the most ready to come to mind. His success percentages are simply not acceptable, to my mind to even have him attempt one v Dublin in particular or Donegal. Being a class free taker takes massive dedication and mountainous practice. David's fielding, distribution and point scoring are higher on the priority list for him to practice and rightly so in my view. David and Johnny's inconsistencies are down to lack of practice in comparison to Bryan and also lack of match pressure practice also in comparison to Bryan. Bryan has been taking free s for Kerry seniors for at least 9 years and a former goalie too (more practice). Thousands of kicks are required to copper fasten the muscle memory to expect the same result from almost every attempt. Match day pressure experience cannot be practiced but lived unfortunately. I think the example to reflect is 2008 Bryan's miss against Tyrone (other factors like having poor game and about to be substituted also contributed) - but, forward the clock 6 years and the man fresh off the bench all but sealed the AI final win v Donegal with a gem of a 45. More extreme evidence of what is required to produce what folks here want, all of the time, would be to read up on Jonny Wilkinson and his dedication to get close to perfecting place kicking. Before Bryan we had Mike Frank, another man who ploughed furrows of hours into the art also. We need the rest of our guys to be the best they can be in their positions, hence we can't have two guys dedicated to perfecting distance free/45 taking, imo. The suggestions made re: taking quick frees is a very good contingency option while Bryan is not in play and should be the go-to option when a free is beyond a distance where any of our other guys on the pitch don't have acceptable success rates. Sorting such statistics out to get that distance number should be quite easily attained.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 1, 2016 22:10:19 GMT
Fitz I understand what you are saying about needing a lot of practice to be immaculate at free taking but thats not the issue here- the issue was that we didnt seem to have any kind of practiced free taking or 45s strategy so we ended up with woeful, head high attempts from Dave or poor, unpracticed attempts at short ones.
It just seemed like we hadnt planned for frees or 45s and it just looked really sloppy- you wouldnt accept that at club level.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2016 7:40:29 GMT
Rashers you are a Gent. There are not many Kerrymen who don't know where Croke Park is . The traditional route with the usual pit stops are familiar and reassuring. But closed Quays on Sunday is a distraction and traffic will be heavy with a lot of Drivers who will go astray and get frustrated. Thanks to your detailed directions a little study of them in advance will be a great help. The trouble you have gone to is much appreciated. Clare v Kerry ? hopefully a forerunner to another clash with the unbeatable Dubs but 4 or 5 points will do me against the Banner. No bother, I'm a real obsessive nerd when it comes to travel, maps, and directions. There's far too much detail in my info' for a casual trip or for someone who wants to keep life simple (hence that I said park-and-ride is best) but for anyone (and I'm probably that type meself!) that needs to get close to Croker driving, I think that kind of detail and the repetition is what is needed to avoid the stress and confusion of getting lost while trying to drive in city streets, and to avoid any potential snarl-ups that can sometimes be a frustrating half hour or more. With luck, the fact that people will leave cars behind/out of the city, and the fact that the crowd won't be huge will mean that it will turn out straighforward to get down the quays and up by Jervis. Anyway safe travelling agus bain teathnamh as an lá! Rashers, I called into your small local corner shop, Ikea, at the weekend. You neglected to tell us about the one of the best Croke Park park and ride facilities in Dublin just off the M50. The 140 travels between Ikea and town every thirty minutes and with ample, free, all day parking. I spotted a bus stop for the 140 across the road from the Rotunda on the Parnell square, a mere 5 minute skip from Jones road. Maybe you were keeping that one all for yourself?
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