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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 28, 2016 9:29:38 GMT
I know this sounds awful and you can all call me a moan if you want but I cant see any outcome from this match that will properly satisfy me. There are 3 scenarios: 1) Kerry win comfortably and it isnt really a contest 2) Kerry scrape a win and play poorly 3) Kerry lose None of which will make me particularly happy- it's a sad state of affairs but the only real reason that I am going is to watch the minors. What about: 4) Clare rise to the occasion and play to the height of their ability. Kerry are challangrd but respond to win - never mind the margin. All the other options ignore the ability of our opponents and assume the result is entirely dependent on how Kerry play. That is dangerous. Look lets not delude ourselves- even if Clare are at their best- it will take a poor performance for us for the game to be close- hence your scenario is the same as number 2
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Post by derry4sam on Jul 28, 2016 11:57:08 GMT
Good column by Declan on the GAA site. I found this particularly interesting: "However, at this stage of the year each team should have a core group of 12 or so players which are more or less guaranteed their starting position. This allows them to concentrate more on the team objective rather than too many players preoccupied with just trying to keep their place on the team. At the moment I could count just 7/8 players who are in that position for Kerry. For me that is a big problem and I feel because of this the leadership and communication on the field is not where it needs to be for a team who want to win an All-Ireland. For this reason Kerry’s team selection will be very interesting for this game. It has been a month since the Munster final so that performance will count for little. This team will be more about what the management feel is their best team to meet the bigger challenges coming down the road." www.gaa.ie/football/news/column-declan-sullivan-football-130781That was a good read. I really feel for Mikey Geaney, every time he is on the verge of breaking onto the starting team he seems to pick up an injury. Apparently he was doing really well since the Munster Final too. I think he could still develop into a key man on this team ultimately taking Donnchadh's spot. He has got the lot for the 'modern' game.
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Post by glengael on Jul 28, 2016 12:23:50 GMT
Good column by Declan on the GAA site. I found this particularly interesting: "However, at this stage of the year each team should have a core group of 12 or so players which are more or less guaranteed their starting position. This allows them to concentrate more on the team objective rather than too many players preoccupied with just trying to keep their place on the team. At the moment I could count just 7/8 players who are in that position for Kerry. For me that is a big problem and I feel because of this the leadership and communication on the field is not where it needs to be for a team who want to win an All-Ireland. For this reason Kerry’s team selection will be very interesting for this game. It has been a month since the Munster final so that performance will count for little. This team will be more about what the management feel is their best team to meet the bigger challenges coming down the road." www.gaa.ie/football/news/column-declan-sullivan-football-130781/Interesting point from a man who knows something about winning in Croke Park, unlike most of us here. His point about leadership and communication on the field is one that struck me as far back as 2013. It seemed to me then that it was being left to Colm Cooper to direct operations and movement and make all the calls, as well as try to do his own job. That obviously changed in 2014 but hasn't really improved since then. If you were to ask who is the leader on the 2016 team, whom you can be more or less sure will start the game, what would be your answer?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 28, 2016 12:41:53 GMT
Good column by Declan on the GAA site. I found this particularly interesting: "However, at this stage of the year each team should have a core group of 12 or so players which are more or less guaranteed their starting position. This allows them to concentrate more on the team objective rather than too many players preoccupied with just trying to keep their place on the team. At the moment I could count just 7/8 players who are in that position for Kerry. For me that is a big problem and I feel because of this the leadership and communication on the field is not where it needs to be for a team who want to win an All-Ireland. For this reason Kerry’s team selection will be very interesting for this game. It has been a month since the Munster final so that performance will count for little. This team will be more about what the management feel is their best team to meet the bigger challenges coming down the road." www.gaa.ie/football/news/column-declan-sullivan-football-130781/Interesting point from a man who knows something about winning in Croke Park, unlike most of us here. His point about leadership and communication on the field is one that struck me as far back as 2013. It seemed to me then that it was being left to Colm Cooper to direct operations and movement and make all the calls, as well as try to do his own job. That obviously changed in 2014 but hasn't really improved since then. If you were to ask who is the leader on the 2016 team, whom you can be more or less sure will start the game, what would be your answer? I think we still miss the type of leadership that Darragh O Sé provided.
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Post by derry4sam on Jul 28, 2016 14:46:57 GMT
Nothing against the Bomber but he had some awful waffle in the indo column. I hate that 'wounded and dangerous' crap they all go on with. Doing Kerry no favours really.
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Post by southward on Jul 28, 2016 15:01:09 GMT
Nothing against the Bomber but he had some awful waffle in the indo column. I hate that 'wounded and dangerous' crap they all go on with. Doing Kerry no favours really. In fairness, Bomber's columns are always sh*te.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 28, 2016 15:01:30 GMT
Nothing against the Bomber but he had some awful waffle in the indo column. I hate that 'wounded and dangerous' crap they all go on with. Doing Kerry no favours really. Have to agree.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2016 19:29:39 GMT
The bit below is an extract from that article by Declan. Kerry had that in 2014.
Players will know at this stage it is less about training form and more about finding a balanced, intelligent and spirited team and players will have to accept whatever role they are being asked to perform within the squad and drive on. Otherwise everybody dies.
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Post by veteran on Jul 29, 2016 7:37:20 GMT
A question for those who know their way around Dublin. I am a creature of habit when travelling to Croke Park. I travel in along the quays and after a certain distance I turn left into a side street, ? Swift Street, get onto Parnell Street and usually park the car in Parnell car park. Apparently, the quays or some section of same are closed to travel for the weekend for restructuring works.
Will I be allowed to travel along the quays at all on Sunday? If so, how far can I get in? If I am not allowed on the quays, what is the simplest way to get to Parnell car park?
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Post by buck02 on Jul 29, 2016 7:56:27 GMT
A question for those who know their way around Dublin. I am a creature of habit when travelling to Croke Park. I travel in along the quays and after a certain distance I turn left into a side street, ? Swift Street, get onto Parnell Street and usually park the car in Parnell car park. Apparently, the quays or some section of same are closed to travel for the weekend for restructuring works. Will I be allowed to travel along the quays at all on Sunday? If so, how far can I get in? If I am not allowed on the quays, what is the simplest way to get to Parnell car park? From what I can gather you will be still able to use that route. Looking at this link www.theaa.ie/blog/closure-of-north-and-south-quays-at-oconnell-bridge-for-bank-holiday-weekend/ they are encouraging you to use the route planned to reduce the traffic flow on the quays but I cant see anything stating that the route you suggest will be closed.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 29, 2016 7:56:49 GMT
A question for those who know their way around Dublin. I am a creature of habit when travelling to Croke Park. I travel in along the quays and after a certain distance I turn left into a side street, ? Swift Street, get onto Parnell Street and usually park the car in Parnell car park. Apparently, the quays or some section of same are closed to travel for the weekend for restructuring works. Will I be allowed to travel along the quays at all on Sunday? If so, how far can I get in? If I am not allowed on the quays, what is the simplest way to get to Parnell car park? In theory you should be ok to follow the exact same route as the roads will be open all the way down as far as Swifts row/Jervis street but traffic will be an absolute b*tch!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 29, 2016 8:04:02 GMT
If you want my advice- which noone usually does- park out next to Kilmainham Gaol, walk through the Irish Museum of Modern Art (IMMA) to Heuston, then get the Luas from Heuston to Jervis.
It will make getting home a lot less pain
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Post by buck02 on Jul 29, 2016 8:14:56 GMT
A question for those who know their way around Dublin. I am a creature of habit when travelling to Croke Park. I travel in along the quays and after a certain distance I turn left into a side street, ? Swift Street, get onto Parnell Street and usually park the car in Parnell car park. Apparently, the quays or some section of same are closed to travel for the weekend for restructuring works. Will I be allowed to travel along the quays at all on Sunday? If so, how far can I get in? If I am not allowed on the quays, what is the simplest way to get to Parnell car park? In theory you should be ok to follow the exact same route as the roads will be open all the way down as far as Swifts row/Jervis street but traffic will be an absolute b*tch! I doubt traffic will be that bad at 11am on a bank holiday Sunday would it?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 29, 2016 8:32:25 GMT
In theory you should be ok to follow the exact same route as the roads will be open all the way down as far as Swifts row/Jervis street but traffic will be an absolute b*tch! I doubt traffic will be that bad at 11am on a bank holiday Sunday would it? It will be I'd imagine- especially with an influx all coming from the same direction- getting home will be the main issue though.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 29, 2016 9:10:28 GMT
I doubt traffic will be that bad at 11am on a bank holiday Sunday would it? It will be I'd imagine- especially with an influx all coming from the same direction- getting home will be the main issue though. Apparently there will be signs directing traffic north onto the M50 and into town by the Navan Road so that should take some of the traffic away from the area. Also doubt the Galway and Tipp people will be arriving that early with their game at 4pm. Also, the sale of tickets in Kerry is the lowest ever for a Kerry game in Croke Park. Clare might bring 3 or 4 thousand, Tipp something similar.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 29, 2016 9:25:58 GMT
The AA link put up says free parking in Park & Ride stations. It is worth considering parking at the Red Cow and getting Luas to Connolly Station - about 15 minutes walk from Croke Park.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 29, 2016 10:01:59 GMT
As regards traffic, depends on what other things are going on in town, might be some festival or something. Veteran, personally I would be going with the 'Kilmainham/LUAS' (or thereabouts) or any Park & Ride train/luas option mentioned above, if I was you. But if there's some reason that doesn't suit you, and you really want/need to get to Parnell St, one way you could go would be turn off the quays at either Blackhall Place (first major turn/junction after Collins Barracks/after the first Liffey bridge), towards Stoneybatter, then you need to know you're way onto Brunswick St, (a right turn not far up Blackhall Place, a narrow St that filters you around to left, then right, and becomes a wider one-way street that ends at Church St junction). At that stage you need to be in the right hand lane at the traffic lights, cross Church St - a very wide major route that is in effect the N2 to Phibsboro/Finglas/Derry (though the maps mark the first part of it N1) - turn right then immediately left onto N.King St, which eventually becomes Dorset St. From NK St you can either take any right turn immediately down into the markets area (narrow little cobbled streets that open out further down), and park anywhere you can find there and walk (left direction) towards Capel St, and Parnell St joins Capel St near the junction of Capel St & N. King St (called Bolton St at that point). Or if you don't want to chance outside parking (there is always a little risk, so avoid especially quiet streets), or having to walk more/get lost, then continue on N.King St past the junction of Capel St (a right turn at traffic lights not long after you would have turned onto N.K St), and then (you're now on Bolton St) go past Bolton St College (unmissable building on your right), and take the next turn right (Kings Inn St, funny little junction split by an island with a ramp as you enter the street), which brings you towards Parnell St. There's multi-story car-parking down that street. You can also, for simplicity sake, after you go past the 2nd Liffey bridge along the quays (you can't turn left at that one), take the next major left (third Liffey bridge not including the one at Heuston St.), Church St, and simply turn right onto N. King St at the first major junction (2nd junction with traffic lights). But the whole point of this route is to avoid quays traffic jams, so if there is a bad jam it will start almost where you join the quays, or not long after, therefore getting off the quays as soon as possible is paramount (for impatient people like me). I presume you're a map-reader. Not sure how this link (below) will come out but assuming you can hone in on the relevant area just off the north quays.......... (you can copy and paste the whole link into a new google page address bar, which brings you straight to the bit of the map of most of the area discussed, rather than clcik on the highligted bit of the link, which only opens the general map) www.google.ie/maps/place/Dublin+City+Centre+Hotels/@53.3486488,-6.2809001,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x7b749d1efd507542!8m2!3d53.3271398!4d-6.2615059 ........ then you should be able to see on it landmarks like Clifden Court (small hotel on quays), and Law Society of Ireland - those are just before/along Blackhall Place respectively. So you turn left just after Clifden Court, continue past Law Soc buildings (on your left, big fancy old buildings amongst the otherwise salty and/or modern buildings around), and through the lights at a junction (untakebale right turn just before where you see Arbour Hill/Brunswick St N), then you can take the next right (Also Brunswick St I think), and follow my directions above, or the right (narrow-looking, almost hidden) straight after it (named Brunswick St. N on map), which brings you straight to the junction with Church St as described above. N. King St (got to by turning right & immediately left on/off Church St -named N1 on map) is marked N1 also, and that becomes Bolton St after Capel St junction (but still N1, eventually becomes Dorset St/N1). Parnell St & Capel St join near the clearly marked Cineworld Cinema. The street I suggested you take to get indoor carparking near Parnell St is Kings Inn St, and Bolton St College is named DIT. Whatever you do, don't continue past Kings Inn St, or if you do then don't try stop or turn anywhere until you get to NCR or Drumcondra (construction works are just off and across Bolton St just after the College/Kings Inn St junction), if you end up that way then you could park up somehwere, Clonliffe College facing Jones' Road (a right turn onto Clonliffe Rd from Quinns Pub near Railway Bridge in Drumcondra) probably best but means of course you're stuck in traffic after if Croker emptying) or turn around wherever you can and come back to Kings Inn St as a left turn at that stage. Check before you go that Kings Inn St will be open. I just did a check there and there's nothing about there being any problem this weekend, just Dominick St/Western Way which I advised you to avoid turning onto to. Finally, if you want to get off the quays even sooner (if traffic really bad) you can take the first left after crossing the river (just at the end of a small, unnamed park on the map), and follow that across LUAS lines/through traffic lights, straight onto Arbour Hill, (steep hill up), and follow that around to the right (main route, following around right at end of high old stone wall), and on past a barracks til the end (in Stoneybatter, narrow bit with old houses), at which point you cross the Blackhall Place/Prussia St. road straight onto N. Brunswick St & so on. Go n'eirí an bothar leat!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 29, 2016 10:06:41 GMT
It will be I'd imagine- especially with an influx all coming from the same direction- getting home will be the main issue though. Apparently there will be signs directing traffic north onto the M50 and into town by the Navan Road so that should take some of the traffic away from the area. Also doubt the Galway and Tipp people will be arriving that early with their game at 4pm. Also, the sale of tickets in Kerry is the lowest ever for a Kerry game in Croke Park. Clare might bring 3 or 4 thousand, Tipp something similar. Alright then go for that- I was just trying to give an opinion/advice!! I'm not that bothered about getting into a debate on potential Sunday morning traffic in Dublin
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Post by fg on Jul 29, 2016 10:45:15 GMT
A question for those who know their way around Dublin. I am a creature of habit when travelling to Croke Park. I travel in along the quays and after a certain distance I turn left into a side street, ? Swift Street, get onto Parnell Street and usually park the car in Parnell car park. Apparently, the quays or some section of same are closed to travel for the weekend for restructuring works. Will I be allowed to travel along the quays at all on Sunday? If so, how far can I get in? If I am not allowed on the quays, what is the simplest way to get to Parnell car park? The easiest and fastest way Veteran is drive to Maynooth via Sallins, take the train straight into Drumcondra and back avoiding all the traffic, you could park the car in the hotel/shopping centre car park for free across from the railway.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 29, 2016 11:03:28 GMT
A question for those who know their way around Dublin. I am a creature of habit when travelling to Croke Park. I travel in along the quays and after a certain distance I turn left into a side street, ? Swift Street, get onto Parnell Street and usually park the car in Parnell car park. Apparently, the quays or some section of same are closed to travel for the weekend for restructuring works. Will I be allowed to travel along the quays at all on Sunday? If so, how far can I get in? If I am not allowed on the quays, what is the simplest way to get to Parnell car park? The easiest and fastest way Veteran is drive to Maynooth via Sallins, take the train straight into Drumcondra and back avoiding all the traffic, you could park the car in the hotel/shopping centre car park for free across from the railway. Yes. The train from maynooth is the best option by far. At naas head towards sallins, go through clane. After a few miles take a left at barberstown castle for maynooth. The whole of Kilkenny seem to take this option it seems to me.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 29, 2016 12:45:36 GMT
Be careful if taking the car to Maynooth plus train option when parking in Maynooth as I have heard of campers being in action on match days around there.
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Post by veteran on Jul 29, 2016 12:50:43 GMT
Lads, thanks a million for all the tips about how to negotiate the Dublin traffic disruption. Couldn't be more helpful.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 29, 2016 13:06:53 GMT
One thing to bear in mind if using the Maynooth option is the train frequency. Go into irishrail.ie ticket buying page, the schedule comes up. Journey time appears to be 11 minutes. If you want to be in Croker by 11:45 you need to know which train you want to get.
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Post by derry4sam on Jul 29, 2016 13:27:41 GMT
So I presume the team is named tonight? Anyone know how O'Donoghue is doing? I presume Crowley will return to the backs. I hope Maher starts, can see Fitz leaving Donaghy at midfield with Sheehan moving on to the forty perhaps. If O'Donoghue starts I suppose he could also leave midfield unchanged and start James in the corner with Darran moving out to 11. I reckon Donaghy will definitely be kept at midfield for Gary Brennan.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 29, 2016 14:43:26 GMT
Kerry should win with between 12 and 15 points to spare on Sunday. No excuses for them not to. Clare will be tired coming into the last 20/25 minutes so the Kerry subs coming on should kick-on at that stage of the game.
I wonder will Fitz throw a curve-ball or two? Maybe Marc O Connor being drafted in?
Pity Mikey Geaney is injured, think he is needed in the half forward line for the Dubs and it would have been nice to see him get a decent run out on Sunday.
Donoghue needs 55+ minutes so I think he'll start. A half forward line with both Murphy and Darran might be a bit small but we'll get away with that on Sunday. If Sheehan starts at 11 with Donaghy and Moran/Maher midfield then it'll encourage Clare to run at us like they did with success 3 or 4 times in the first half in Killarney.
I'd like to see a team along these lines FINISHING on Sunday - think you'd need something like this in the last 15 mins v Dublin:
Kealy
Enright, Young, Marc Fionn, Crowley, Begley
Marc O Connor, Moran
Murphy, Sheehan, Darran BJK, Geaney, James O
Hopefull you'll have Gooch and Mikey Geaney to be on the pitch on the 28th too (maybe in place of Sheehan and O'Brien/BJK)
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Post by maples on Jul 29, 2016 15:36:22 GMT
Hope you will join us for a bite to eat this all ireland weekend at The Maples House Hotel and maybe a celebratory drink afterwards!!!!! Serving breakfast untill 12pm and carvery from noon till 9pm :-)
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 29, 2016 18:18:10 GMT
The team, captained by Killian Young is as follows: 1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 2. Shane Enright Tarbert 3. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore 4. Killian Young (C) Renard 5. Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht 6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers 7. Tadhg Morley Templenoe 8. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 9. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 10. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare 11. Paul Murphy Rathmore 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane 13. Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar 14. Paul Geaney Dingle 15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion Fir Ionaid: 16. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 17. Bryan Sheehan St Marys 18. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore 19. Anthony Maher Duagh 20. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 21. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 22. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 23. Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes 24. Tom O’Sullivan Dingle 25. Barry O’Sullivan Dingle 26. Tony Brosnan Dr Crokes
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Post by Clogher on Jul 29, 2016 18:18:26 GMT
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 29, 2016 18:21:29 GMT
Only one unforced change - Moran for Bryan. Not unexpected. Hard to see anything else up the sleeve for the semi Not in any way assuming our ability to get past Clare.
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Post by ballynamona on Jul 29, 2016 19:13:47 GMT
Great to see Moran back, though I feel the Maher-Moran axis should be reinstated.
You would have to wonder if by the Dublin game (probably safe to jump ahead) will Donaghy be back at FF. Who would lose out - Darran? Or would Murphy move back?
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