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Post by keane on Sept 12, 2016 10:29:02 GMT
That's why those enforced handshakes are such a terrible idea. They do nothing to advance the idea of fair play because 1. they're enforced and 2. nobody even notices they've happened unless something completely contrary to fair play occurs.
As a test I asked my housemate how many Premier League handshakes he could remember and he said 'Zero... oh no wait the John Terry and Wayne Bridge one'. QED.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2016 10:41:07 GMT
Imagine Noelie and PG approaching each other for the handshake before an All-Ireland final! The stadium would go quiet in anticipation.....................
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:25:59 GMT
Haven't noelie and pg done this in 07 and 09
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2016 14:29:35 GMT
Not in the contrived manner as with yesterday
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Post by peanuts on Sept 12, 2016 14:32:05 GMT
That's why those enforced handshakes are such a terrible idea. They do nothing to advance the idea of fair play because 1. they're enforced and 2. nobody even notices they've happened unless something completely contrary to fair play occurs. As a test I asked my housemate how many Premier League handshakes he could remember and he said 'Zero... oh no wait the John Terry and Wayne Bridge one'. QED. Can't believe he didn't remember the Suarez- Evra one (or non-handshake to be more exact).
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Post by keane on Sept 12, 2016 15:12:57 GMT
That's why those enforced handshakes are such a terrible idea. They do nothing to advance the idea of fair play because 1. they're enforced and 2. nobody even notices they've happened unless something completely contrary to fair play occurs. As a test I asked my housemate how many Premier League handshakes he could remember and he said 'Zero... oh no wait the John Terry and Wayne Bridge one'. QED. Can't believe he didn't remember the Suarez- Evra one (or non-handshake to be more exact). He did when prompted
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2016 16:20:00 GMT
It was only handbags really!
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Post by glengael on Sept 12, 2016 16:48:42 GMT
Haven't noelie and pg done this in 07 and 09 No I don't think it was done in those days. I think its quite a new thing in this format. In previous years the players lined up and shook hands to the dignatories but did not walk down the line to shake hands with opposing team.
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Post by watchdebreakswillye on Sept 12, 2016 23:28:08 GMT
Seán Thornton & Squireen Danagher in the Quiet Man - now that's what you'd call a handshake
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2016 8:02:07 GMT
Rory Gallagher appointed for a further three years with a review in the offering for year four.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 20, 2016 9:22:11 GMT
Rory Gallagher appointed for a further three years with a review in the offering for year four. I find that very surprising and not a good move.
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Post by glengael on Sept 20, 2016 11:45:02 GMT
Did Donegal have many other interested parties I wonder?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2016 16:06:04 GMT
The players in Donegal are obviously happy for him to oversee the transition of the Donegal team over the next few seasons.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 20, 2016 16:07:54 GMT
there must be some level of talent coming through in Donegal. got to an all ireland final two years ago and by all accounts the team that was defeated by galway this year was well fancied. They will need some fresh talent to replace some of the aging warriors from the 2012 team
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2016 16:10:36 GMT
Donegal is still a good gig to have.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 20, 2016 16:15:53 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2016 16:21:52 GMT
There have been rumblings about Davy behind the scenes for the past 2-3 years.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 21, 2016 7:45:58 GMT
Player disgruntlement seems to be becoming more and more common around the country. Seems Davy is on the way out in Clare. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0920/817901-davy-ftiz/ It will be interesting to see if Donal Og takes on the top job in Clare.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 23, 2016 23:40:30 GMT
Player disgruntlement seems to be becoming more and more common around the country. Seems Davy is on the way out in Clare. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0920/817901-davy-ftiz/ It will be interesting to see if Donal Og takes on the top job in Clare. Davy has wrecked that squad
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Post by southward on Sept 24, 2016 13:04:07 GMT
Player disgruntlement seems to be becoming more and more common around the country. Seems Davy is on the way out in Clare. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0920/817901-davy-ftiz/ It will be interesting to see if Donal Og takes on the top job in Clare. Davy has wrecked that squad Got them an AI all the same.
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Post by theumpire on Sept 24, 2016 13:50:26 GMT
Davy has wrecked that squad Got them an AI all the same. People point to Davy saying he won them an All-Ireland, and if you look at it I think he had very little doing in winning them that. Those players he had had done very little training under him when they won their AI relative to the training they had done when they came through the underage systems from Gerry O'Connor , Donal Moloney and Paul Kinnerk coaching them from 16/17 to 21 years of age to multiple either All-Ireland final appearances or wins at minor and u21. The proof of this is in the subsequent years, when they graduated from the u21 ranks to senior and the more access to Davy's training and the more of Davy's "training" they got, these players didnt just marginally improve or stagnate, a lot of the players actually got worse when they should be getting better as they got older. Another point that has been made that Davy cares about nothing more than Clare hurling, Davy and people might think that he cares about nothing more than Clare hurling, but the thing Davy cares about most is himself. Listen to his interviews, he talks constantly about "these are my players" and stopping players playing their clubs because they were "his players". His ego knows no bounds. A Clare underage system that yielded 4 U21 All Irelands in 6 years, Davy could only managed to beat Laois and Offaly over a 2 year period in the championship after his AI win and beat Laois, Offaly and an absolutely terrible Limerick side over a 3 year period after their AI win. That to me is more representative of his managerial abilities than his AI.
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Post by veteran on Sept 29, 2016 19:39:42 GMT
I read today where Joe Barrett's medal haul sold for E40,000 euro. Apparently he was an outstanding full back , being a winning captain and securing six senior medals. This would have been early in the twentieth century. Austin Stacks was his club.
I find this story hugely demoralising. Seemingly, his Joe Joe outlined the back ground to the auction. The medal collection was previously housed in the Gaa museum in Croke Park. However, Joe Joe resented the playing of God save the queen prior to a rugby match in Croke Park and promptly repossessed the collection and hence the sale at the auction. Everybody is entitled to their convictions but time moves one and convictions mutate , usually do in any case. Could the medal chest not have been given to the Kerry Gaa museum? Easy for me to say but the episode saddens me. Joe Joe was a fine footballer himself too and won a medal in 1962.
On a different topic , Michael Quirke had a very interesting article in yesterday's Irish Examiner regarding Donnie Buckley's input into the Mayo setup. I have always lamented the fact our County Board have not found a permanent role for this man. I was particularly interested in Michael's description of Donie's tackling tutorials. We desperately need a tutor in that discipline. Eamon make your move after next Saturday's replay.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 30, 2016 8:05:19 GMT
On a different topic , Michael Quirke had a very interesting article in yesterday's Irish Examiner regarding Donnie Buckley's input into the Mayo setup. I have always lamented the fact our County Board have not found a permanent role for this man. I was particularly interested in Michael's description of Donie's tackling tutorials. We desperately need a tutor in that discipline. Eamon make your move after next Saturday's replay. I agree completely with your final paragraph. It is vital that someone like Donie is in the Kerry coaching set up especially following the 3 minor victories. These were won purely on skill often completely out playing the opposition. The first line of attack was the full back line. This facilitated the playing of players in defence who would be more naturally at home in the forwards. The idea was to use all the skill available to overwhelm the opposition and it worked. If these players are to become effective senior defenders, they need a lot more than ball playing skills. This is where someone like Donie comes in. Otherwise we may be here in 5 years time still lamenting the fact that the opposition can still runs through the centre untouched.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 30, 2016 9:18:11 GMT
Davy has wrecked that squad Got them an AI all the same. The talent was there to win at least two or even three if handled correctly. It will turn out to have been the worst thing that could have happened, them winning that one too soon, under Davy. And all the pludits and celebrations alowwed get out of hand in the months afterwards, young lads could never cope with that unless managed very tightly. Instead of that Davy lapped it up, because it meant he had proved something to the world after years of criticism, and all his personal problems. It was a joke they were awarded "Team of the Year" in all sports that year, they performed in 3 games (four including the replay) over the whole year. What they needed more than anything else was to come back and win a Munster title in 14 or 15, maybe a league in one of those years too, to put some real foundations in. They didn't even come close to any of those things til the league this year, by then too late. The last remains of this squad might have some part in Clare winning an ALl-I again in a few years time, by when people will be saying, "how did they manage to waste that talent?". It's a tragedy for hurling actually, as well as Clare. It's not just winning All-Is, or Munster titles, it's that they have barely been competitive, they should have been involved in great games with the other top teams of the time since 2013. Can anyone think of one great game, bar maybe the league final replay, in the last 3 years? Tragedy.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2016 14:06:42 GMT
It could be argued that the ref took the All-Ireland off Cork after Pat Horgan's piece of hurling poetry to put Cork one up with time up only for the ref to allow Clare one last attack? Maybe that would have rescued this lost Clare tragedy if the ref had blown earlier after Horgan's point.............?
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Post by delorean on Sept 30, 2016 15:28:46 GMT
The tragedy was all ours I'm afraid.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2016 18:49:26 GMT
Cork were robbed that day!
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Post by delorean on Sept 30, 2016 19:23:17 GMT
Well it felt that way alright. Clare were the better team but you would have expected the whistle to blow when the two minutes were up and the ball went out of play. Can't really dispute the 'minimum' amount of injury time argument though, but I doubt the referee would have allowed a final play had the sides been level.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2016 21:08:22 GMT
Thought he should have blown it up myself. Cork won that final in my opinion.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 30, 2016 21:44:58 GMT
delorean... God above balanced the books last sunday with the Cork ladies one point win
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