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Post by Dermot on Jul 4, 2016 12:47:50 GMT
Thanks Veteran.... we're hoping that we're as good as we think we may be ... if that makes sense ... Anyway, we'll soon find out .. I imagine it will be a bone crunching game but "hopefully" no one gets hurt and/or out for the season .. I dont want to be sounding too pessimistic about this but I have an awful feeling that it "could" be a hazardous game .. hope to God Im wrong though. As MM said a few weeks back, Tyrone really need to try doubly hard to keep on the good side of the Media as it has possibly affected Refs decisions in the recent past .. that combined with the RTE embargo leaves us a little susceptible to getting stomped on... The feeling up here (by most people) is that MH should do what he wants and if he still has a gripe with RTE thats his business ... They wish it were otherwise but can see where he's coming from .. Like myself, most people also think that there should be "someone" talking to RTE .. one of the backroom staff perhaps .. but I dont see that happening (unless Ive missed it). Having said all that, there is a section of Tyrone supporters who will never like MH for one reason and another and still bang on about getting rid of him and they use the RTE thing as ammunition ... Even now .. Personally, I think MH can stay on until he's 90 if he wants .. and we can re-assess then :-)
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Post by glengael on Jul 4, 2016 14:41:52 GMT
It should be an interesting Ulster Final at the very least. I thought Monaghan were unlucky not to force extra time v Donegal but then again I did not see the entire game.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jul 4, 2016 14:55:02 GMT
Missed some of TSG last night.
Re: MOTM awards. Did any Tyrone player pick up the award or did they not have a MOTM due to the boycott?
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 4, 2016 15:48:10 GMT
Missed some of TSG last night. Re: MOTM awards. Did any Tyrone player pick up the award or did they not have a MOTM due to the boycott? May be wrong here, but I think only live televised games get MOTM awards.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jul 4, 2016 17:12:55 GMT
Missed some of TSG last night. Re: MOTM awards. Did any Tyrone player pick up the award or did they not have a MOTM due to the boycott? May be wrong here, but I think only live televised games get MOTM awards. Ah I see. So, God forbid Tyrone win another game, what would happen with the MOTM then?
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 4, 2016 17:58:30 GMT
May be wrong here, but I think only live televised games get MOTM awards. Ah I see. So, God forbid Tyrone win another game, what would happen with the MOTM then? I'd imagine that it would still be awarded and if it was to a Tyrone player, the Tyrone player would come off looking a bit silly if they didn't accept it.
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Post by Dermot on Jul 4, 2016 18:26:09 GMT
Hmmm .. I tend not to remember the wee details like this but surely "some" Tyrone player has got MOTM in a game on RTE since MH stopped giving interviews?
Would they not just accept it anyway ? ...
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jul 4, 2016 22:08:07 GMT
Maybe a Tyrone player has accepted one, but did so with his mouth taped with a big 'X'?
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Post by jackeensabhog on Jul 4, 2016 22:22:32 GMT
History would indicate otherwise. The 2011 kerry team contained many great players at their peak and in the end, they couldn't liive with the then Dublin team in the same year, granted Kerry failed to close out the game. These were the stalwarts of the 00's team, save for D O'Se and S Scanlon. I think the present Dublin squad is infinetly superior to their 2011 equivalent. I'll put it to you this way, who of the 2011 players below wouldn't make it into the current kerry team. If they couldn't live with them in 2011, why would it be different in 2016? kerry all Ireland team 2011 Brendan Kealy, Killian Young, Marc Ó Sé, Tom O'Sullivan, Tomas Ó Sé, Eoin Brosnan, Aidan O'Mahony, Anthony Maher, Bryan Sheehan, Darran O'Sullivan, Declan O'Sullivan, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, Kieran O'Leary I'm not trying to detract from one the great teams to play the game, but I don't follow your logic. Sorry but that's way off. The 2011 Kerry team was past it's best, the legs were starting to go on some players. A good few had been around at the top since about 2000-2004. Thats a long time on the road. Also I would wonder where you got the notion "couldn't live with" in 2011. They certainly did live with, they dominated the game for much of the 2nd half (albeit a lot of breaks went their way). The game was won by the much younger team with a pointed free from virtually the last kick of the game. So that's ridiculous revision to say "couldn't live with". I sometimes despair at the lazy soundbite dismissive comments that people come out with about sport. As for 2016, let's first talk about 2013. A Kerry team on it's last legs with a few new lads thrown in took Dublin to 70 minutes level. Since then we have lost Bryan Cullen, Al Brogan, Rory O'Carroll, Ger Brennan & Jack McCaffrey. We've also lost Barry Cahill, Eamonn Fennell & David Henry since 2011. Bernard Brogan, Denis Bastick & Stephen Cluxton are on their last legs, so it's not as simplistic as you make it seem. As previously stated by another poster, this is all conjecture and we all have our opinions. It was stated that the `00` kerry team would 'comfortably live ' with the current Dublin team. I simply don't think it would be that comfortable. I think you overstate the age of the Kerry team in 2011, many are still in the current team. When it mattered in the closing minutes of 2011, they didn't perform, Dublin did. As for 2013, some kerry warriors giving it one last hurrah. They came up short- Dublin by 7 points, where it matters. As you mention, both teams have had a large turn over of players since 2011 and there is sure to be more. You forgot Kevin nolan, but I'm not sure what your point is. My point is that 2016 Dublin is superior to their 2011 equivalent and they wouldn't make it 'comfortable' for any team.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Jul 4, 2016 22:32:49 GMT
Thanks Veteran.... we're hoping that we're as good as we think we may be ... if that makes sense ... Anyway, we'll soon find out .. I imagine it will be a bone crunching game but "hopefully" no one gets hurt and/or out for the season .. I dont want to be sounding too pessimistic about this but I have an awful feeling that it "could" be a hazardous game .. hope to God Im wrong though. As MM said a few weeks back, Tyrone really need to try doubly hard to keep on the good side of the Media as it has possibly affected Refs decisions in the recent past .. that combined with the RTE embargo leaves us a little susceptible to getting stomped on... The feeling up here (by most people) is that MH should do what he wants and if he still has a gripe with RTE thats his business ... They wish it were otherwise but can see where he's coming from .. Like myself, most people also think that there should be "someone" talking to RTE .. one of the backroom staff perhaps .. but I dont see that happening (unless Ive missed it). Having said all that, there is a section of Tyrone supporters who will never like MH for one reason and another and still bang on about getting rid of him and they use the RTE thing as ammunition ... Even now .. Personally, I think MH can stay on until he's 90 if he wants .. and we can re-assess then :-) MH is one of the great modern managers. This Tyrone team are a sticky proposition for any team. MH is the brain and a good General to lead any team
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Post by Dermot on Jul 5, 2016 11:15:28 GMT
Good article....
Jim McGuinness: Donegal and Tyrone will give no quarter Irish times Every so often, the championship creates an extraordinary rivalry, meaning that teams can bring a decade’s worth of emotion and envy and celebration and pure competitive desperation into one afternoon. The Ulster final between Donegal and Tyrone in Clones (and it could be no other place) on July 17th is one of those occasions. Over the weekend, both teams made efficient work of ensuring they get to spark off each other once again. Against Monaghan, Donegal dominated the game and controlled it and scored with fluency and hit the magic number of 0-17. I felt achieving that scoreline was important in the context of their overall season. The big guns were firing: Michael Murphy 0-5; Patrick McBrearty 0-4. Marty O’Reilly went into the middle of the park to mark Karl O’Connell and still chipped in with 0-3. Rory Kavanagh and Frank McGlynn put in the kind of big summer performances we have come to expect down the years and the McHughs were full of running. As a team, Donegal controlled the game and ran with purpose and moved the ball with intent through their hands and they also dealt with Monaghan’s key men over the two games – and crucially without the services of Neil McGee. Mental strength The replay also means Donegal have Neil McGee back for the final, which is critical. Kieran Gillespie deputised extremely well when he came in at full back and he offers Rory Gallagher an option when he sits down to look at the match-ups against Tyrone. What McGee brings is intensity and explosiveness and a mental strength to the cause which can create a synergy within the team. Other players see Neil taking off and running straight lines and clearing everything in his path and they feed off that. And he has a reputation for handling top-class forwards. The other half of the Ulster final was a situation where Tyrone just blitzed Cavan. Tyrone’s intensity and defensive shape is back. They have youth in their side. They have legs. Three of their six second-half scores were goals, which tells its own story in terms of ruthless execution. Peter Harte was outstanding; he was on a hat-trick for most of the game and could have got it but finished by scoring 2-3 from play. Cathal McShane, the under-21 from last year, stood out and Colm Cavanagh continued in what has become a really masterful sweeping role. We could pick a lot of players out – Ronan O’Neill, Mattie Donnelly: they had conspicuous performances all over the field. What I really liked was Tyrone’s decision making, particularly when they were bearing down on goal. Their turnovers and breaking at speed was so sharp and most of their scores came in transition. They seem to have reacquired their aggressive edge when they move the ball. After 26 minutes it was 2-7 to 0-5 and basically the game was over. And then Mickey Harte got a good contribution from his bench. So they won the game comfortably and all in all it was a good day’s work. In one sense, there is a silver lining for Donegal in the fact Cavan scored 2-17. That will serve as a motivation for Tyrone and it is something they can get their teeth into when they get together in Ballygawley this week. Because they know if they concede that kind of a score in the Ulster final, then they probably won’t be Ulster champions. Both teams got the extra day out and therefore were able to refine their game plan under championship pressure and they can prepare for their latest match-up in a really good state of mind. So: Donegal versus Tyrone again. Where does it leave us? This is Donegal’s sixth Ulster final in a row. It is easy to gloss over that but it is a feat only achieved by the Down team of the 1960s. I really hope there are as many flags flying around the county for the next few weeks as there were back in 2011, when we were trying to win our first Ulster title in 19 years. Who would have predicted Donegal would make it back to another five finals after that? It is a phenomenal achievement and the core of the team – despite being written off since around 2012 – is there for all six finals. If you go back to the winter of 2010/’11, Tyrone were going for three in a row in Ulster. They looked almost unassailable and Donegal probably weren’t on their radar. They had three All-Ireland titles in their pockets and five Ulster titles. The Donegal lads had been on the receiving end of that phenomenal run of success on many afternoons. Or else they were simply spectators of Tyrone’s success. When I came in to manage Donegal, one thing I was certain of was that we had to plan with great detail to beat Tyrone. They were the standard bearers for the Ulster championship. They were the team everyone looked up to and Mickey Harte was the most respected football mind in the country. Hanging on When we went into that 2011 semi-final knowing we knew we had the work done. We knew we couldn’t have had put in any more of a sacrifice. But still, it was only when Brick Molloy’s shot hit the net in the last minute we knew for certain we had done it. For much of that game, we were just hanging on. We were five points down at one stage and Tyrone had a great goal chance. Had they converted that, it would have left us in a near impossible position. But we clawed our way back and discovered in the minutes where you have to expose your character that we had the belief we needed. And we got through. The funny thing is Tyrone are in precisely that place now. There is a lot of talk about them and have played some tremendous football but that belief they have won’t become something true until – or unless – they win the final. In 2011, Donegal stung Tyrone. They were really hurting. Because they had no Ulster title, all of a sudden. And so the following year, we knew they were going to come at us with absolute venom. Those dynamics just clashed when the teams met in the semi-final of 2012. It was a 70-minute, non-stop battle. And, when we won that match, that was the moment I felt we started to take psychological control of the dynamic between the counties. We went on to win the All-Ireland and then in 2013, the teams met in Ballybofey and when Neil McGee absorbed that hit on Stephen O’Neill, that felt like the moment we broke them. Then in 2015, when Rory took over, we beat them again in Ballybofey in another very tense, tough match. So if you look at the 10-year period before 2011, when Tyrone were to my mind the team of the decade, an absolutely brilliant force, and from 2011 when Donegal transformed their fortunes, it is almost like role reversal. I go into all this to make one simple point: what this fixture, this Ulster final, means to both sets of players is simply exceptional. Tyrone feel they are back. Donegal feel they can handle Tyrone. Neither will yield a millimetre. So, in terms of the history they share and have made, I believe this game means as much as an All-Ireland final. This game is going to be defensive, aggressive, intense, competitive. There is a bit of disdain between the two teams. But it will be enthralling. It will be completely gripping because of this sense of a decade of life’s work being poured into the effort to win the Anglo-Celt Cup. The pain of defeat will be more acute for the losers than any other game they have played. And for the winner, it will be one of the sweetest moments of all. And you can bet that both managements and squads will be fixating on this. It is a career defining moment of this particular rivalry. It is an opportunity for the Tyrone team to say: yeah, but you couldn’t do it in a final. Winning this one will help to erase some if not all of the pain inflicted by Donegal. And it is a chance for Donegal to unequivocally claim their place as the Ulster team of this decade. Organised gameplan So as the radio men say, there will be no prisoners taken. It will be a stereotypical Ulster championship match drawn from all the ingredients of the Clones afternoons of our childhood. Neither side will surrender the middle of the pitch. Both teams bring pace in certain areas of the field. Both sides have a clear and organised gameplan. It will come down to very fine margins. It will come down to free taking. It will come down to discipline and to big players stepping up. I do believe Donegal hold that edge in terms of marquee forwards and I believe they will win because of this. It is not just a match to savour – it is a day to savour. They don’t come around very often because it takes years to reach the height that this rivalry is now at and, even then, teams seldom have the consistent excellence to clash so often. It will be a privilege for supporters lucky enough to be there. And for the players on both sides, it will be one of the days of their lives.
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Post by Dermot on Jul 5, 2016 11:19:58 GMT
I believe (hope) we will win but if we dont, I hope Im not sitting here on the 18th July yapping about tactical fouls and our inability to covert the subsequent frees .... There's no way we will be allowed to run like we did on Sunday .. especially when we clearly dont pose a major threat with frees :-( ..
Its a serious problem for us and I just hope that its not the deciding factor !!
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 5, 2016 12:16:43 GMT
Thanks Veteran.... we're hoping that we're as good as we think we may be ... if that makes sense :-/ ... Anyway, we'll soon find out .. I imagine it will be a bone crunching game but "hopefully" no one gets hurt and/or out for the season .. I dont want to be sounding too pessimistic about this but I have an awful feeling that it "could" be a hazardous game .. hope to God Im wrong though. As MM said a few weeks back, Tyrone really need to try doubly hard to keep on the good side of the Media as it has possibly affected Refs decisions in the recent past .. that combined with the RTE embargo leaves us a little susceptible to getting stomped on... The feeling up here (by most people) is that MH should do what he wants and if he still has a gripe with RTE thats his business ... They wish it were otherwise but can see where he's coming from .. Like myself, most people also think that there should be "someone" talking to RTE .. one of the backroom staff perhaps .. but I dont see that happening (unless Ive missed it). Having said all that, there is a section of Tyrone supporters who will never like MH for one reason and another and still bang on about getting rid of him and they use the RTE thing as ammunition ... Even now :-/ .. Personally, I think MH can stay on until he's 90 if he wants .. and we can re-assess then :-) I see that RTE now have the offending member - wait for it - in their sports department - and he is as flippant as ever. It is a major distraction in a fact base topic like sports. RTE seems to get everything wrong.
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Post by Dermot on Jul 5, 2016 12:24:31 GMT
Thanks Veteran.... we're hoping that we're as good as we think we may be ... if that makes sense ... Anyway, we'll soon find out .. I imagine it will be a bone crunching game but "hopefully" no one gets hurt and/or out for the season .. I dont want to be sounding too pessimistic about this but I have an awful feeling that it "could" be a hazardous game .. hope to God Im wrong though. As MM said a few weeks back, Tyrone really need to try doubly hard to keep on the good side of the Media as it has possibly affected Refs decisions in the recent past .. that combined with the RTE embargo leaves us a little susceptible to getting stomped on... The feeling up here (by most people) is that MH should do what he wants and if he still has a gripe with RTE thats his business ... They wish it were otherwise but can see where he's coming from .. Like myself, most people also think that there should be "someone" talking to RTE .. one of the backroom staff perhaps .. but I dont see that happening (unless Ive missed it). Having said all that, there is a section of Tyrone supporters who will never like MH for one reason and another and still bang on about getting rid of him and they use the RTE thing as ammunition ... Even now .. Personally, I think MH can stay on until he's 90 if he wants .. and we can re-assess then :-) I see that RTE now have the offending member - wait for it - in their sports department - and he is as flippant as ever. It is a major distraction in a fact base topic like sports. RTE seems to get everything wrong. Good grief .. didnt know that .. Unbelievable stuff. heres a link to the crux of it anyway (for anyone who isnt aware of what transpired).. www.irishcentral.com/news/slur-aimed-at-michaela-harte-woman-murdered-on-her-honeymoon-127061973-237404511.html
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 7, 2016 20:20:29 GMT
It was certainly extremely crass and insensitive but surely time to draw a line under it RTE have apologised and the man concerned has had to struggle with his own demons.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 8, 2016 11:18:45 GMT
Expecting Mayo, Cork, Monaghan and Kildare to win their round 2B qualifiers this weekend. They'll then have to play off against eachother to leave 2 teams to face the losers of Leinster & Ulster.
Some potentially big games there.
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Post by Dermot on Jul 8, 2016 12:47:57 GMT
It was certainly extremely crass and insensitive but surely time to draw a line under it RTE have apologised and the man concerned has had to struggle with his own demons. Yeah RTE did apologise but for some reason, unknown to the rest of us (well, to me anyway), MH doesnt feel he has closure ... Hence, it would be hard to tell him to forget about it.. Could any of us if we were in the same position?
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Post by Dermot on Jul 8, 2016 12:50:05 GMT
Expecting Mayo, Cork, Monaghan and Kildare to win their round 2B qualifiers this weekend. They'll then have to play off against eachother to leave 2 teams to face the losers of Leinster & Ulster. Some potentially big games there. This years qualifiers must contain the biggest teams in its history playing at this time of year ... The championship really is hotting up.
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Post by taggert on Jul 8, 2016 13:29:42 GMT
Its quite lopsided however with all the big teams on one side of the draw to face the leinster and ulster champions. Vastly inferior teams on the other side to face the munster and connacht champions.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 8, 2016 13:38:49 GMT
Its quite lopsided however with all the big teams on one side of the draw to face the leinster and ulster champions. Vastly inferior teams on the other side to face the munster and connacht champions. Luck of the draw mixed with some unexpected results. If Mayo and Cork had reached their provincial finals they'd be on the other side of the draw.
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Post by glengael on Jul 8, 2016 19:10:01 GMT
Will Galway kick on and win against Roscommon I wonder.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 9, 2016 14:59:47 GMT
Aidan O'Shea has added diving to his armoury, a blue chip attachment in this era of soft phantom frees awarded by refs for minimal contact.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 9, 2016 15:11:13 GMT
Big first half from Fermanagh, Mayo look ropy enough, big half time talk needed from the all the gurus in the Mayo dressing room.
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Post by keane on Jul 9, 2016 15:19:23 GMT
If Donaghy could get frees like Aidan O'Shea we'd never lose.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 9, 2016 15:21:11 GMT
Aidan O'Shea has added diving to his armoury, a blue chip attachment in this era of soft phantom frees awarded by refs for minimal contact. Unfair and unwarranted comment. AOS gets fouled more and less frees than anybody in the game including Donaghy.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 9, 2016 15:21:52 GMT
If Donaghy could get frees like Aidan O'Shea we'd never lose. That's a load of crap in fairness.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 9, 2016 15:54:52 GMT
Aidan O'Shea has added diving to his armoury, a blue chip attachment in this era of soft phantom frees awarded by refs for minimal contact. Unfair and unwarranted comment. AOS gets fouled more and less frees than anybody in the game including Donaghy. Ya, really? Dive.
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 9, 2016 15:59:34 GMT
Who, in their right minds think that was a penalty? Didn't look like it to me. Someone like a TMO must be brought in to rectify this situation, especially after incidents like this last July or the Wexford goal in the hurling qualifier last week.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 9, 2016 16:00:53 GMT
McQuillan is an absolute farce of a ref.
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 9, 2016 16:07:39 GMT
Fermanagh robbed? - also a mention Mick O'Dowd has resigned as Meath boss following their exit from the AI championship against Derry 1-14 v 1-11. Meaths downfall after being 7 points up at half time.
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