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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 9, 2016 19:34:02 GMT
I am in favour of the black card. Handtrips are black and white as are body checks. Usually no ambiguity about those black cards. Things get complicated with the pull down ...maybe they should limit the black card to the handtrip and the body check. Was Mattie Donnelly's black card clear cut? I am pro the Black Card FWIW. Absolutely it was. He followed through when he could have pulled out of the challenge and 'body collided with an opponent after he had played the ball away'..... Cut and dry case.
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 9, 2016 20:59:11 GMT
Wit is not one of your strong points Burnyourbackside , but I'll humour you. No truth is Kerry didn't beat Tyrone when it mattered, Dublin have beaten Kerry 4 times and Mayo 3 times when it mattered this centuary. But Kerry at the moment have fantastic minor teams if 3or 4 make the transition in the next couple of years It's not ridiculous to suggest they could win the next 2 or 3All Ireland's. Mayo are a serious outfit and if they win one could go on a roll. Most genuine Dub supporters like myself who travel the country for all league games (championship doesn't offer us this luxury) will stress , that at this moment it's a privilege to watch our team and to enjoy it ,because it can change in a moment. We also have not forgotten the heartbreak of the early nineties and embarrassing moments of the Pillar era . So it's refreshing to watch these Dub boys represent what most true Blues are like. I dont doubt your sincerity but I just cant understand how you could think that Dublin could go back to the pre 2010 era any time soon. We havent even seen the dividend from AIG. Dublin are going to be in the top 3 for as long into the future as you can look. The Tommy Lyons/Pillar era was due to poor structures at underage level over a long time. Its the opposite now. Dublin has the raw materials, Population. money and structures plus lots of other small advantages..no player has to live outside Dublin to work, 20 minutes to training, .....all taken together, very formidable. So relax and enjoy it. The future is blue. I've been saying that for years! Nothing you haved pointed out guarantees success , if it did we would have won more AllIrelands in the eighties and nineties and at least one in the noughties what does help is if you have talented footballers with a good attitude. All the money in world can't buy attitude. We've lacked it in years gone by at vital moments. Jim Gavin certainly seems to have instilled it in the players. Mdmc attitude when he came on possibly swayed the game in our favour against Mayo. But all the money in the world or proximity to a training ground won't make Mdmc a two footed player or help him pick out a player with a 40 yard pass Also I'm not thinking about us going back to pre 2010.The landscape has changed, , I'm appreciating being at the top , but also realising it doesn't take much to slip back . Being the capital We've always had population advantage and cant really do much about that , although over the years while every kid born in Kerry had dreams of playing for his county, Dublin would have been a different scene with a lot of distractions and other sports pulling for their services. What winning in 2011 did was put the focus back on GAA in the capital (not that it had gone away , but made players names more familiar to young kids)Thankfully now in Dublin you will see as much if not more kids wearing Dublin jerseys as Man United ,Chelsea or Liverpool jerseys. On proximity to training. Distance can be anything from 15 mins to 90mins for some guys. But that's irrelevant I don't think many Dublin lads or Kerry lads have trouble gething off work for training. Although it certainly is a plus and a luxury a lot of counties don't have. But when everything is stripped back we at the moment have a very high amount of two footed players playing , which in tight games has really helped. We have also been fortunate that a very good percentage of players have made the grade from minor to senior since 2011. I won't for one minute suggest that we don't have advantages, off course we do. But sometimes it's not as black and white as people think.
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Post by peanuts on Oct 9, 2016 21:43:06 GMT
I am in favour of the black card. Handtrips are black and white as are body checks. Usually no ambiguity about those black cards. Things get complicated with the pull down ...maybe they should limit the black card to the handtrip and the body check. Don't think there's any ambiguity with the 'pull down' either to be fair. Players try to con refs by hitting the deck at the merest pull 'back' and this is what creates issues. We have to trust the ref to decipher between 'pull back' and 'pull down'.....that's what he's there for. Do you think Keegans foul on Comnolly was a deliberate pull down? cos I certainly don't think it was.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 9, 2016 22:12:24 GMT
Those in favour of the black card are an endangered species . I am one of those facing extinction. The first bit of advice I would give anybody favouring its abolishment is to familiarise yourself with the five indications for its use: deliberate body collide , deliberate trip, deliberate pull down, verbal abuse to an opponent, remonstration with an official . I get the impression that a large cohort of so called experts could not list these five situations where it is supposed to,be used. Those so callled experts include our own Tomas who who has become tiresome in his opposition. There are some grey instances but the cast iron cases were implemented there would be little fuss. There are some grey instances also in the application of other rules - the handpass, steps, a player in possession surrounded by a squad od other players etc. Should we disperse with all these rules on the grounds that the application can be uncertain. Not being consistently applied? I agree but how many rules are consistently applied? The most ludicrous reason of all advanced for its abolition is " he has trained all year and now he is forced to miss the remainder of the game" The logical extension of that argument of course is that double yellows and red should also be abolished. Look, our games , both hurling and football, are becoming increasingly lawless, I am not sure what people want when they campaign for abolishing the black card in the context of this increasingl lawlessness. I have no doubt in my mind if the black card was applied in the clear cut cases players would quickly adjust, indeed learn the rules, and the game would benefit enormously. As for Lee Keegan? His dismissal possibly cost Mayo the game but I have no sympathy for him. Over the the two games he earned a couple of black cards. He gambled and he lost. Live by the sword , die by the sword. Maybe you could outline Lee Keegan's black card misdemeanours over the two games? It looks like to me the only crime Lee Keegan is quilty of is obliterating Diarmuid Connolly when they meet.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 9, 2016 22:13:36 GMT
Don't think there's any ambiguity with the 'pull down' either to be fair. Players try to con refs by hitting the deck at the merest pull 'back' and this is what creates issues. We have to trust the ref to decipher between 'pull back' and 'pull down'.....that's what he's there for. Do you think Keegans foul on Comnolly was a deliberate pull down? cos I certainly don't think it was. Fully agree.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 10, 2016 10:49:47 GMT
An interesting point was brought up over the weekend suggesting that maybe the yellow card now serves no purpose and acts as a copout for referees, and that it should be removed.
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Post by Dermot on Oct 10, 2016 11:39:50 GMT
Yeah, between the curse and the shooting themselves in the foot ... I think my nephew has a point .. Mayo are just too "used to / comfortable" losing All Ireland's at this stage.. Im not saying they didnt try, they certainly gave it all they had .. but both days they managed to come up with a way to draw or lose ... just like all their biggest games in last few years ... Mayo gave everything, I think this is the best Mayo team in the last 20 years at least. Rochford and mc Entee have instilled a steeliness and ability to hit hard in the tackle. next year they will be hard yo beat. For Kerry next year this could be a huge game ,if it comes to pass. Only unknown is how much they went to the well this year and can they repeat it or better it next year. It cannot be underestimated how much Dublin expended in this final so that Mayo didn't get over the line. It was a dogfight and a game I'm extremely proud of the Dublin lads who just got on with what they were asked to do, players who were dropped came on and gave everything. It was a team who had 3 Sams and 4 leagues who could so easily of faltered coming into the last 10 to 15 mins and no one would of thought any less of them, , but they were the ones at tnis point who were patient and created the best opportunities So deserve great credit, it wasn't just a case of Mayo losing this. They came up against a top side who wouldn't bend the knee. Yes definitely Dublin are a serious team .. brilliant .. but its hard to argue against the fact that Mayo fecked up badly on both days .... They scored 2 Own Goals the first day and scored another major own goal with the decision on their keeper the second day .... Its hard to argue against, had they NOT done these things they would have won ? Ask yourself how you would feel if Dublin made those mistakes and lost an AI .. you'd be devastated .. I know if Tyrone did I would be !! Who knows really but you have to admit that these things didnt help their cause ... They just seem to be able to lose these big matches every time ... clutching defeat from the jaws of victory seems to be their thing now on a regular basis .. How do they get out of that Cycle .. how can they mentally prepare any better ? .. as it must be a mental thing, what else can it be ? well, apart from the curse of course, if you believe in that sorta thing lol
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Post by Dermot on Oct 10, 2016 11:56:49 GMT
Your opinion isn't necessarily universal on that. Only Mattie knows the answer. And Dermot probably! Yes of course I do ... Mattie tells me everything
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 10, 2016 19:02:59 GMT
Don't think there's any ambiguity with the 'pull down' either to be fair. Players try to con refs by hitting the deck at the merest pull 'back' and this is what creates issues. We have to trust the ref to decipher between 'pull back' and 'pull down'.....that's what he's there for. Do you think Keegans foul on Comnolly was a deliberate pull down? cos I certainly don't think it was. 100% not a pull down. This was Connolly conning the ref!
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 10, 2016 19:16:21 GMT
And 100% not a black card.
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 10, 2016 19:55:50 GMT
Do you think Keegans foul on Comnolly was a deliberate pull down? cos I certainly don't think it was. 100% not a pull down. This was Connolly conning the ref! Was it a foul then?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 10, 2016 20:18:29 GMT
Yellow for Connolly perhaps?
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 10, 2016 20:18:36 GMT
100% not a pull down. This was Connolly conning the ref! Was it a foul then? I wouldn't have given it. Two players tangling together going for the ball like you see 1000 times a year in games. Six of one and half dozen of another. Both were at the same thing. If anything, give them both a good talking to, maybe a yellow card each to cop them on and hop the ball. We need players to man up and play with integrity, not constantly looking to get lads sent off.
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 10, 2016 20:20:07 GMT
Mayo gave everything, I think this is the best Mayo team in the last 20 years at least. Rochford and mc Entee have instilled a steeliness and ability to hit hard in the tackle. next year they will be hard yo beat. For Kerry next year this could be a huge game ,if it comes to pass. Only unknown is how much they went to the well this year and can they repeat it or better it next year. It cannot be underestimated how much Dublin expended in this final so that Mayo didn't get over the line. It was a dogfight and a game I'm extremely proud of the Dublin lads who just got on with what they were asked to do, players who were dropped came on and gave everything. It was a team who had 3 Sams and 4 leagues who could so easily of faltered coming into the last 10 to 15 mins and no one would of thought any less of them, , but they were the ones at tnis point who were patient and created the best opportunities So deserve great credit, it wasn't just a case of Mayo losing this. They came up against a top side who wouldn't bend the knee. Yes definitely Dublin are a serious team .. brilliant .. but its hard to argue against the fact that Mayo fecked up badly on both days .... They scored 2 Own Goals the first day and scored another major own goal with the decision on their keeper the second day .... Its hard to argue against, had they NOT done these things they would have won ? Ask yourself how you would feel if Dublin made those mistakes and lost an AI .. you'd be devastated .. I know if Tyrone did I would be !! Who knows really but you have to admit that these things didnt help their cause ... They just seem to be able to lose these big matches every time ... clutching defeat from the jaws of victory seems to be their thing now on a regular basis .. How do they get out of that Cycle .. how can they mentally prepare any better ? .. as it must be a mental thing, what else can it be ? well, apart from the curse of course, if you believe in that sorta thing To be honest it's been debated to death over the last 5 years especially as to why Mayo haven't won an All Ireland. With usually the answer from Mayo that if certain things had of gone differently they would have won . It might soundharsh but when they are good enough in a final they will win it. Having said that our poor display in first game meant we really were there for the taking . They conceded 2 goals in first game from 2 goal scoring opportunities we created, no doubt it was fierce unlucky, but we conceded two crazy goals to Kerry but still went on and won. Your right the game can be cruel and Mayo seen to always have more questions than Answers after every big game . But it has to be remembered in the second game with 15 mins left we kept Mayo in the game with our missed opportunities . I still think they need another forward , maybe that will come next year who knows, Kerry v Mayo semifinal next year, Ill go to that one. 😊
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 10, 2016 20:48:54 GMT
I wouldn't have given it. Two players tangling together going for the ball like you see 1000 times a year in games. Six of one and half dozen of another. Both were at the same thing. If anything, give them both a good talking to, maybe a yellow card each to cop them on and hop the ball. We need players to man up and play with integrity, not constantly looking to get lads sent off. Agree with your last sentence. It should also apply in the context of Keegan happily admitting to provoking Connolly by fair means or foul. Which is the opposite of "man up" and "integrity". But if you don't think that was at least a foul on Connolly we are on opposite sides of this debate. There was more than a 50% chance that he was through on goal if he was left unmolested by Keegan, as Connolly had got first run on Keegan.
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Post by fitz on Oct 10, 2016 20:57:47 GMT
I wouldn't have given it. Two players tangling together going for the ball like you see 1000 times a year in games. Six of one and half dozen of another. Both were at the same thing. If anything, give them both a good talking to, maybe a yellow card each to cop them on and hop the ball. We need players to man up and play with integrity, not constantly looking to get lads sent off. TMO - only way to get accuracy and consistency on this card. I think we're talking round in circles otherwise. We've watched the Connolly/Keegan incident multiple times and can't agree unanimously. You have a ref who is aerobically working significantly with lots of distractions visually and in his ear, has positioning to manage and has one go at an incident. Some assistance from linesmen, it's inconsistent, umpire input is rare and also very inconsistent. A man/woman isolated away from the cauldron with a optimized technology process will bring fairness to this area. Far greater than we see now.It has been a massive success in rugby. The argument made by Duffy that it will not fit with the ether of 'our games' due to negative potential effect on the flow of the game is Imo facile and current regular injustices are far outweighing potential challenges of its introduction.
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 10, 2016 21:24:58 GMT
I wouldn't have given it. Two players tangling together going for the ball like you see 1000 times a year in games. Six of one and half dozen of another. Both were at the same thing. If anything, give them both a good talking to, maybe a yellow card each to cop them on and hop the ball. We need players to man up and play with integrity, not constantly looking to get lads sent off. Connolly ran to Deegan , saying you gave a black card to Johnny earlier over there. This is why he had the jesture of a card in his hand. Watch footage and see what he is saying to Deegan.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 10, 2016 22:03:51 GMT
I wouldn't have given it. Two players tangling together going for the ball like you see 1000 times a year in games. Six of one and half dozen of another. Both were at the same thing. If anything, give them both a good talking to, maybe a yellow card each to cop them on and hop the ball. We need players to man up and play with integrity, not constantly looking to get lads sent off. Connolly ran to Deegan , saying you gave a black card to Johnny earlier over there. This is why he had the jesture of a card in his hand. Watch footage and see what he is saying to Deegan. And Deegan told him to go away that it was nothing more than a jersey pull ( he pulled his own Jersey to signal this and beckoned Connolly away with his hand) then 30 seconds later he calls Keegan and gives him black..... Crazy stuff
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 10, 2016 22:06:33 GMT
Yes definitely Dublin are a serious team .. brilliant .. but its hard to argue against the fact that Mayo fecked up badly on both days .... They scored 2 Own Goals the first day and scored another major own goal with the decision on their keeper the second day .... Its hard to argue against, had they NOT done these things they would have won ? Ask yourself how you would feel if Dublin made those mistakes and lost an AI .. you'd be devastated .. I know if Tyrone did I would be !! Who knows really but you have to admit that these things didnt help their cause ... They just seem to be able to lose these big matches every time ... clutching defeat from the jaws of victory seems to be their thing now on a regular basis .. How do they get out of that Cycle .. how can they mentally prepare any better ? .. as it must be a mental thing, what else can it be ? well, apart from the curse of course, if you believe in that sorta thing To be honest it's been debated to death over the last 5 years especially as to why Mayo haven't won an All Ireland. With usually the answer from Mayo that if certain things had of gone differently they would have won . It might soundharsh but when they are good enough in a final they will win it. Having said that our poor display in first game meant we really were there for the taking . They conceded 2 goals in first game from 2 goal scoring opportunities we created, no doubt it was fierce unlucky, but we conceded two crazy goals to Kerry but still went on and won. Your right the game can be cruel and Mayo seen to always have more questions than Answers after every big game . But it has to be remembered in the second game with 15 mins left we kept Mayo in the game with our missed opportunities . I still think they need another forward , maybe that will come next year who knows, Kerry v Mayo semifinal next year, Ill go to that one. 😊 James McCarthy is the man that knows how to take out a player. A pure accident says the commentators as Donal Vaughan is seeing stars just before half time. James could have got any of the three cards, black, red or yellow or all three at the same time. But he got no card. Vaughan didnt feature in the second half. He scored two points from full back in the drawn game and was doing a good job on Fenton up to getting a belt into the head by McCathys hip. Mayo were without their two most influential players in the second half, Keegan and Vaughan. Mayo couldnt carry that and the dodgy keeper. I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered.
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 10, 2016 22:58:18 GMT
To be honest it's been debated to death over the last 5 years especially as to why Mayo haven't won an All Ireland. With usually the answer from Mayo that if certain things had of gone differently they would have won . It might soundharsh but when they are good enough in a final they will win it. Having said that our poor display in first game meant we really were there for the taking . They conceded 2 goals in first game from 2 goal scoring opportunities we created, no doubt it was fierce unlucky, but we conceded two crazy goals to Kerry but still went on and won. Your right the game can be cruel and Mayo seen to always have more questions than Answers after every big game . But it has to be remembered in the second game with 15 mins left we kept Mayo in the game with our missed opportunities . I still think they need another forward , maybe that will come next year who knows, Kerry v Mayo semifinal next year, Ill go to that one. 😊 James McCarthy is the man that knows how to take out a player. A pure accident says the commentators as Donal Vaughan is seeing stars just before half time. James could have got any of the three cards, black, red or yellow or all three at the same time. But he got no card. Vaughan didnt feature in the second half. He scored two points from full back in the drawn game and was doing a good job on Fenton up to getting a belt into the head by McCathys hip. Mayo were without their two most influential players in the second half, Keegan and Vaughan. Mayo couldnt carry that and the dodgy keeper. I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered. Dodgy keeper who gave a precise kickout to start the play for the Keegan goal. Clarke wouldn't of hit that . So I guess that evens out his penalty. Either way your entitled to your opinion.
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 11, 2016 10:32:09 GMT
To be honest it's been debated to death over the last 5 years especially as to why Mayo haven't won an All Ireland. With usually the answer from Mayo that if certain things had of gone differently they would have won . It might soundharsh but when they are good enough in a final they will win it. Having said that our poor display in first game meant we really were there for the taking . They conceded 2 goals in first game from 2 goal scoring opportunities we created, no doubt it was fierce unlucky, but we conceded two crazy goals to Kerry but still went on and won. Your right the game can be cruel and Mayo seen to always have more questions than Answers after every big game . But it has to be remembered in the second game with 15 mins left we kept Mayo in the game with our missed opportunities . I still think they need another forward , maybe that will come next year who knows, Kerry v Mayo semifinal next year, Ill go to that one. 😊 James McCarthy is the man that knows how to take out a player. A pure accident says the commentators as Donal Vaughan is seeing stars just before half time. James could have got any of the three cards, black, red or yellow or all three at the same time. But he got no card. Vaughan didnt feature in the second half. He scored two points from full back in the drawn game and was doing a good job on Fenton up to getting a belt into the head by McCathys hip. Mayo were without their two most influential players in the second half, Keegan and Vaughan. Mayo couldnt carry that and the dodgy keeper. I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered. "All things considered" Mick you spend a lot of time picking holes in Dublins achievements. And that is your prerogative. But it comes across as one eyed and begrudging when you are constantly pointing out misdemeanours by Dublin players and giving Mayo a free pass. For what its worth I thought Mayo brought a huge amount of physicality to both contests, some legal and some illegal. It worked because it certainly knocked Dublin off their stride, moreso in the first game. Every time a free was awarded Mayo seemed to want to have a little tussle afterwards. Colm Boyle is the main man here and he got Fenton a yellow in the second game when he initiated a shoving match and Deegan only saw fit to give a card to Fenton. Cillian O'Connor is another who loves a flying elbow. In fact theres an argument that McCarthy's black the first day was a result of equalizing a flying elbow from O'Connor that he just evaded in a previous play. But you seem to miss all this and are all eager beaver to point out Dublin indiscretions. Fair enough. Dublin responded to this physicality on the second day, sometimes with bells on. But Mayo can hardly complain if there was a bit of pushback. BTW, and we're back to tit for tat mode, Vaughan should have got a black for a foot trip on Connolly in the incident where Connolly shouldered him off the ball. You may have over looked that one. In terms of achievements, and taking a holistic view of the season, Dublin won 14 from 15 and drew the other (I think). They are unbeaten in almost 30 games. Fair going in any mans language. I'll leave aside the killer of an O'Byrne Cup defeat to Longford. This is on top of 3 ALL Irelands in the previous 5 years and 4 National Leagues in a row. I'll leave you to decide where this team fit in the pantheon of greatness, all I know is I am very proud of them. The media don't seem to have a view on it either, Because 90% of the narrative since the replay has been all about Mayo and their woes.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Oct 11, 2016 11:08:52 GMT
tit for tat.. he said she said...
this thread is absolutely pointless anymore
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 11, 2016 12:00:51 GMT
Ah calm down a bit there skybluezone.
I said "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered".
Dublin need a gimme of a penalty to draw the second half with a Mayo team without Keegan and Vaughan.
Connolly dive took out Keegan and McCarthy took out Vaughan.
I never said that winning the double wasnt a great achievement but "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered".
I stand over that.
Mayo needed everyone to be on the pitch as they were never going to be able to match the subs Dublin have for obvious reasons....population, playing numbers etc.
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 11, 2016 12:52:41 GMT
Ah calm down a bit there skybluezone. I said "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered". Dublin need a gimme of a penalty to draw the second half with a Mayo team without Keegan and Vaughan. Connolly dive took out Keegan and McCarthy took out Vaughan. I never said that winning the double wasnt a great achievement but "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered". I stand over that. Mayo needed everyone to be on the pitch as they were never going to be able to match the subs Dublin have for obvious reasons....population, playing numbers etc. The previous poster is correct, this thread has degenerated into tit for tat. I myself am a guilty party and I acknowledge that. Also, I am very calm Mick but thanks for the advice anyway! One final point, there are a few what I would call "solid" Dublin posters on here. Rashers and Panther spring to mind. If you were to take away their contributions to this thread you'd be left with a whole pile of stuff that would suggest Dublin somehow were not worthy and won because of a combination of biased refereeing in their favour, how unlucky Mayo were to lose their own important guys, how Dublin players are coached in strategic fouling since they were nippers, and a other assorted reasons. The Dubs posters keep you honest Mick! Lastly, I do actually have some sympathy for Mayo, but I'd much prefer if Dublin are not the opposition when the they do land Sam, maybe Kerry will oblige them on that score...
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Post by mayo4sam on Oct 12, 2016 22:10:49 GMT
Ah calm down a bit there skybluezone. I said "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered". Dublin need a gimme of a penalty to draw the second half with a Mayo team without Keegan and Vaughan. Connolly dive took out Keegan and McCarthy took out Vaughan. I never said that winning the double wasnt a great achievement but "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered". I stand over that. Mayo needed everyone to be on the pitch as they were never going to be able to match the subs Dublin have for obvious reasons....population, playing numbers etc. I agree with the above points but also have to question gaa and croke park officials: A Leinster referee and 6 of the 8 officials from Leinster i believe. Mayo supporters originally behind the goal on the hill being directed to the side of the Hill with poor view. A “Dub” as the warm up entertainment before the replay. A media out of control in a campaign against Keegan. A referee who was influenced by that campaign and who was clearly “gone” after 6 minutes when he would not issue a black card for a foul which was the most clear cut black card offence since the black card was introduced. Something needs to be done but i wouldn’t hold my breath. Some might call it sour grapes but i call it facts.
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 13, 2016 7:36:50 GMT
Ah calm down a bit there skybluezone. I said "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered". Dublin need a gimme of a penalty to draw the second half with a Mayo team without Keegan and Vaughan. Connolly dive took out Keegan and McCarthy took out Vaughan. I never said that winning the double wasnt a great achievement but "I dont think it was all that a great achievement for Dublin to win that game all things considered". I stand over that. Mayo needed everyone to be on the pitch as they were never going to be able to match the subs Dublin have for obvious reasons....population, playing numbers etc. I agree with the above points but also have to question gaa and croke park officials: A Leinster referee and 6 of the 8 officials from Leinster i believe. Mayo supporters originally behind the goal on the hill being directed to the side of the Hill with poor view. A “Dub” as the warm up entertainment before the replay. A media out of control in a campaign against Keegan. A referee who was influenced by that campaign and who was clearly “gone” after 6 minutes when he would not issue a black card for a foul which was the most clear cut black card offence since the black card was introduced. Something needs to be done but i wouldn’t hold my breath. Some might call it sour grapes but i call it facts. Id say the Dub (Damien Dempsey)playing the music before the game was the thing that eventually swung it. Probably gave the lads that extra belief when they kick those points at the end. Either way good to see A o Shea telling all his twitter followers that "he will still chop wood and carry water "
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Post by mayo4sam on Oct 13, 2016 11:04:00 GMT
bluepanther, you forgot to congratulate your ex players (whelan, brogan, brennan etc...) for the media campaign against lee keegan, that prob swung it for ye, coz connolly has been in keegans pocket anytime he has played him.
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Post by Control2 on Oct 13, 2016 13:33:27 GMT
Time to close it off for this year
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