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Post by veteran on Apr 26, 2016 21:08:56 GMT
Does anybody know why AOM got a red card. It seems to be as mysterious as the two reds issued in the Hogan cup final.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Apr 26, 2016 21:10:24 GMT
What's surprised me is a lot seem to expect to meet Dublin in the semi-final, without giving a loss to Cork a moment's thought.
I have this gnawing feeling that Cork will play a big part in our summer in one way or another.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 26, 2016 21:26:52 GMT
Does anybody know why AOM got a red card. It seems to be as mysterious as the two reds issued in the Hogan cup final. Well I was wondering that too. Ciaran Whelan was saying that the ref had a clear view and had no hesitation but the video shows that he had his back to the incident. I suspect that the linesman Joe McQuillan, had a word in the refs ear via the ref link yoke. Happily Johnny Cooper made a full recovery. It looked a life or death situation there for a while till the red card was flashed.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 26, 2016 21:32:53 GMT
I didn't realise that xxxx was on the sideline, the usual *ing *e so.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 26, 2016 21:36:57 GMT
Twas Johnny Cooper that Seamus OShea flung to the ground in the 2015 semi final. O'Shea was foolish but Cooper instigated the incident.
Same ref in the league game...James McCarthy gets a peno for something awfully similar to the SOB incident.
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Post by yourholiness on Apr 26, 2016 21:40:32 GMT
I was a little bit too quick to dismiss Kerry in the aftermath of the match and baldly stated that they are not the second best team in the country . Perhaps they are . I just don't think fitzmaurice is taking you down the road that will make you the best equipped team to beat Dublin .
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 26, 2016 22:09:43 GMT
yourholiness... are you a dub fan.... you said earlier than EF is taking Kerry down a road that wont beat dublin...what should he being doing in your view
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Post by fitz on Apr 26, 2016 23:49:05 GMT
I'm a bit concerned that we all but took the same tactical approach as last September and expected a different outcome, because in September we just didn't perform. For large periods on Sunday, well, we didn't perform - were not let perform. Is ther any other alternative approach that might be successful? I don't believe so without fresh faster legs.
I've mentioned in a couple of previous posts that our lack of legs in midefield is choking both our half forwards and back trying to protect them. We had essentially no half forward line on Sunday so when in possession and fro turnovers, our breakaways fizzled out as we were too slow moving the ball and not enough options to carry and link at speed. We can only carry one of Moran/Maher/Sheehan and Buckley against Dublin. That's harsh but I'd be happy to hear the cases for playing more - given how all are suffering against pace.
The defence given the pressure exerted and that perspective must be included did quite well. Crowley again had a whale of a game. I hope we get one of his shoulders before the summer is out. We turned the Dubs over a lot. Unfortunately our attacking threat in terms pf pace and movement was leagues behind Dublin.
On the subs - Fionn should have been replaced on Kilkenny much earlier. O'Sullivan introduced earlier.
This is going to appear harsh on Barry John given he's done nothing wrong and like the AI final was thrown in pointlessly to a lost game, but bluntly he has no business playing against Dublin. He has no defence at all. He was chasing shadows, and was fresh. He definitely could conjure a point or win a free but he'd need the ball first and if Gooch, Darrne and Stephen found it hard on Sunday then it would be harder for Barry. He is still a valuable asset, and would be very good against I'd say any other county going forward - not Dublin though. He's not strong or fast enough.
Marc - a legend. Had a terrible day Sunday. If we meet Dublin again he should never again be put on Brogan. Brogan has his measure physically and mentally now. He could still do a great job on Connolly(if played inside) or Rock, if in form.
Gooch is back to form - some magic moments. A poor free into Cluxton's hands before half time, but his movemment, balance and ball handling were back to near his best, The confidence and the point against Phily said it all. A Dublin supported next to me after the dumy solo over Philly - "like watching Ronaldo"...
He got rubbish ball in second half as did Darran and Stephen - midfield and half forwards were swamped simply trying to cope.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 27, 2016 5:46:52 GMT
Does anybody know why AOM got a red card. It seems to be as mysterious as the two reds issued in the Hogan cup final. Well I was wondering that too. Ciaran Whelan was saying that the ref had a clear view and had no hesitation but the video shows that he had his back to the incident. I suspect that the linesman Joe McQuillan, had a word in the refs ear via the ref link yoke. Happily Johnny Cooper made a full recovery. It looked a life or death situation there for a while till the red card was flashed. The ref had a clear view my arse. There were no complaints from AOM - I suspect the linesman had a very good view though.
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Post by yerrayerra on Apr 27, 2016 5:52:38 GMT
Does anybody know why AOM got a red card. It seems to be as mysterious as the two reds issued in the Hogan cup final. Well I was wondering that too. Ciaran Whelan was saying that the ref had a clear view and had no hesitation but the video shows that he had his back to the incident. I suspect that the linesman Joe McQuillan, had a word in the refs ear via the ref link yoke. Happily Johnny Cooper made a full recovery. It looked a life or death situation there for a while till the red card was flashed. AOM is one of a handfull of intercounty players who can't complain about feigning injury to get an opponent sent off I have said before that Kerry's abandonment of their traditional game since 2014 Munster final is detrimental in the long term.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2016 6:37:56 GMT
Kerry's abandonment of their traditional game since 2014 Munster final is detrimental in the long term.
yerrayerra.... could you expand on this. I dont understand.
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Post by kot on Apr 27, 2016 8:31:14 GMT
Cluxton is fed a ball from the lads behind the goals before a ball goes wide or over the bar. At least once yesterday when Kealy attempted a quick kick out in the first half, another ball was rolled out on to the pitch. This is clutching at straws Jigz regarding the reason for Brendan's troubles. What about last year when he was taking forever with kickouts? And then when we were put under pressure, leaving floaters up in the air for Nicholas Murphy to gobble up or kicking out over the sideline? That was in Killarney so cant blame the Cluxton ball-boys for that.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 27, 2016 8:40:05 GMT
Cluxton is fed a ball from the lads behind the goals before a ball goes wide or over the bar. At least once yesterday when Kealy attempted a quick kick out in the first half, another ball was rolled out on to the pitch. This is clutching at straws Jigz regarding the reason for Brendan's troubles. What about last year when he was taking forever with kickouts? And then when we were put under pressure, leaving floaters up in the air for Nicholas Murphy to gobble up or kicking out over the sideline? That was in Killarney so cant blame the Cluxton ball-boys for that. I think you've picked me up wrong. I'm in no way making excuses for Kealy and I'm one of the crowd that doesn't think he should be starting. I was only pointing out that what I described did happen, whether accidental or not.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 27, 2016 8:41:24 GMT
What's surprised me is a lot seem to expect to meet Dublin in the semi-final, without giving a loss to Cork a moment's thought. I have this gnawing feeling that Cork will play a big part in our summer in one way or another. Cork have their own problems with Shields and O'Halloran being dropped off the panel.
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Post by kot on Apr 27, 2016 8:42:22 GMT
This is clutching at straws Jigz regarding the reason for Brendan's troubles. What about last year when he was taking forever with kickouts? And then when we were put under pressure, leaving floaters up in the air for Nicholas Murphy to gobble up or kicking out over the sideline? That was in Killarney so cant blame the Cluxton ball-boys for that. I think you've picked me up wrong. I'm in no way making excuses for Kealy and I'm one of the crowd that doesn't think he should be starting. I was only pointing out that what I described did happen, whether accidental or not. Fair enough, don't think there is anything stopping a GK having a ball at his ready in the goal either is there? I.e. Durcan always has the ball on the tee (sometimes not even) and ready to go.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 27, 2016 8:44:42 GMT
I think you've picked me up wrong. I'm in no way making excuses for Kealy and I'm one of the crowd that doesn't think he should be starting. I was only pointing out that what I described did happen, whether accidental or not. Fair enough, don't think there is anything stopping a GK having a ball at his ready in the goal either is there? I.e. Durcan always has the ball on the tee (sometimes not even) and ready to go. I don't think there is but it's just one of the small things that are contributing to bigger problems out the field. We don't seem to be as thorough or as professional as the Dubs in our preparation.
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Post by kot on Apr 27, 2016 9:13:03 GMT
Does anybody know why AOM got a red card. It seems to be as mysterious as the two reds issued in the Hogan cup final. I heard from some who saw it that he absolutely clattered him and it was an open and shut red card. As much as I would like to blame "Joe the b0077Cks #2" myself.
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Post by danbreen on Apr 27, 2016 9:58:50 GMT
I'm one of the glass always half full brigade which it seems aren't too many about. I was at the game and I just watched the first half last night. Here is a little summary some of the positives in the first half, Gooch was involved in some excellent play. Scored a fantastic point selling a dummy and was involved in setting up Darren and O’Brien for a point each and fed the ball to Murphy when his effort went wide after hawk eye evidence. 5 of the forwards scored in the first half. O’Brien was excellent scored the first 2 points and was motoring well. Took the game to Dublin every time he got the ball. 2 pointed frees from Sheehan, (missed another free that would have put us 0-07 to 0-05 up. Gooch, Darren and Walsh all 1 each and Murphy was Murphy. Moran was involved in a lot of play linking with the backs and forwards. In real time I thought he wasn’t great but he had a reasonable first half. Donaghey worked well in the first half. There were several incidents of handling errors where we lost possession that can be eliminated next time. O’Brien, Sheehan, Darren, Walsh all lost the ball when should have been held. Kealy kicked 3 out to Dublin hands. Some of our kick passes did not give the forwards a chance. Marc had a good 25 mins. Dispossed brogan and ran up the field twice to link with the forwards whereby the first occasion there was a goal chance on had he passed the ball to Darren. Brogan got the better of him in the last 10 mins of the half. Crowley was excellent in the first half, especially the last 10 mins and chipped in with a well taken point. As stated in previous posts, Fionn was having trouble with Kilkenny. The other backs did a reasonable job. We went in at the break trailing 0-10 to 0-08. Our sharpness was not up to scratch but we now have time to work on that and our fitness levels. At half time the weak links seemed to be Kealy, Fionn, Marc in the last 10mins and Sheehan (the game passed him by but for the pointed frees). I’m sure the management will watch this over again and take time to reflect. Give me time to look at second half!!!
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 27, 2016 10:42:21 GMT
We are not that far off them and there is a pattern to our losses - biggest issue is being able to stay with them in the last ten minutes when they go up a gear. We were holding our own for a lot of the game and the two main differences were the sending off (justified apparently) and that extra gear in the home stretch. We need strength in depth to be able to play a 21 man game against them. It is imperative we stay with them in a game and then have something in the tank to finish strong. Reacting to provocations and lashing out is something we cannot tolerate as this simply hands the game to Dublin.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 27, 2016 10:55:46 GMT
When facing Dublin we cannot afford the luxury of giving them clean possession from their own kickout- stats from last Sunday show they lost only 2 of their own restarts from Cluxton- this is an indictment of how we set up allied to how Cluxton has developed his kick outs almost to an art form.
If we look at the league games Dublin played vs Cork and Monaghan in Croke Park and vs Mayo in Castlebar we did not, to me at any rate, have a plan for dealing with Cluxtons restarts.
Cork went to battle with the intention to get men behind the ball and park the bus. Mayo conducted a mix of press and drop off, Monaghan were much braver in pushing up on the kickouts and really trying to put pressure on Dublin while still effectively playing with 2 sweepers. Cork did the 3rd option. They defended in numbers.They forced numerous Dublin attacks to go lateral with at times up to 3 defenders in front of the "D"- when Gooch put us ahead @ 4 points to 3 it took Dublin 40 seconds to equalise through Jonny Cooper with the only tackle attempted being on Dean Rock. Cork led by 7 points at half time yet still lost the game which was mainly due to positional changes from Dublin at half time the principal being the moving of James McCarthy to midfield and Dublin also throwing off the shackles and possibly taking more risks than they are accustomed to.
Monaghan probably performed best of all teams defensively vs Dublin, eventually losing only by a point; they pushed up on Dublin going man to man; their strategy was risky, if your opponent wins clean ball it could take 4/5 players out of the game- yet Monaghan were successful to a point with Dublin winning 67% possession from their own kick outs. Monaghan took 8 possessions from Dublins kick outs and scored 5 points and created 2 goal chances; defensively Dublin employed Cian O'Sullivan as an out and out sweeper presumably to counteract Ciaran McManus. If we have a full forward line of say JOD, Gooch & Geaney O'Sullivan will be play in a similar role.
Mayo restricted Dublin to 9 points with Dublin having 11 of the team that started last Sunday- the caveats are that the night in Castlebar was appalling weather wise ( wind and rain) and Castlebar is not Croke park!
I think that maybe we did not show our hand last Sunday strategy wise and the inclusion of added pace in our middle 8 ( Lyne, Killian) will improve us here- also, only David Moran of our midfield trio offered any protection/ assistance to our defence with Star and Sheehan being employed in a more forward role or an inability to get up and down the pitch. I also think that Maher offers you that bit extra in defence.
Whilst we all acknowledge that Dublin are ahead of us at the moment, added pace with a defined plan for Cluxton could make for a very interesting spectacle should we meet in August- its up to management now!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 11:02:30 GMT
fitzwop i agree with everything you said. I think most of us knew before this game that pace was our issue. The way Dublin move the ball and run at their opponents. Their are the best in the business at getting the ball in fast to Brogan and co. Kerry need youth and speed to beat Dublin. That's the bottom line. The old lads have been great servants but I think it's time for some of them to go to the bench. They don't have the legs anymore. The did very well in the League but they wilted when Dublin raised their game. I think it's time to look at younger back O'Beaglaoich obviously. Tom O'Sullivan Matt Flaherty Gavin Crowley maybe. Jack Savage Conor Keane or Killian Spillane. Barry O'Sullivan. It's time now to start looking at these lads and bring them in
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 27, 2016 12:29:50 GMT
I'm delighted we made the final despite the tearing we got. This Dublin side are the real deal and they came into this game wanting the victory as much as we did. One thing is is that we have been given an excellent opportunity to meet them at more or less championship pace just prior to the main event. Eamon Fitz is no fool and I think he will make the necessary changes in personnel, approach and tactics to take on the Dubs in August ( should we make it ). Last Sundays game was a good game of football and was quiet close until the latter stages but I never felt that we were going to take them as the intensity and pace were grinding us down.
There are a few things that have to be looked at, If Kealy is to be retained he will have to be better prepared, to see him collecting the tee and ball from separate locations in a big game and walking to the kick out spot while never looking outfield for a potential early target is remarkable. Diarmuid Murphy is a keepers coach I'm told !!?? now this is a basic and very simple thing to change and of course will require the whole teams response. I don't know who is at fault but clearly the players are not expecting a quick kick out as their backs are turned to their keeper for far too long as they take up their expected positions, positions that Mr Gavin knows they will return to,,, predictable isn't the word. He doesn't seem to have the ability to "ping" the ball to a player that does make himself available and floats the ball out giving the opposition far too much time to get a tackle in, we lost far too many kick outs as a result of that style in my opinion. The goal was unfortunate but it was ultimately the full picture when all the jigsaw pieces of our failed kick out strategy were put in place. Other concerns are the highball and his worrying tendency to take too much out of the ball when it is sometimes played back to him.
Fionn did not have a good game last Sunday and he should have got the curly finger much sooner. I'm sorry I know he's a good footballer but he simply does not have the required physique at this level and as a result has no stopping power, he is very often too far off his man to get in a decent tackle or win a fifty fifty ball and against the dublin forwards this wont do as he was left trailing time after time on sunday.
How many times are our corner forwards Darren in particular winning ball while sprinting away from the posts without a viable runner to take the ball at pace, we seem to then stay messing around with it while the defence goes into total lockdown. The dubs are always running for each other and always seeking out open space to give good options to the player in possession. They were tearing holes in our defence last Sunday as a result of their commitment and support play ( who aren't running around in circles tipping the ball to each other minding possession on the forty ) by screaming past our forty heading straight for our backline which is resulting in fouls and all too often scores.
Donaghy has been very effective this year at midfield when we are playing other teams but with Cluxton orchestrating the dubs they are for the most part able to keep the ball away from our big men in the middle. To be fair he did quit well providing protection last Sunday while he was out there but the dubs are quiet happy to have him as far as possible away from their square. While on that point it was no harm for Eamon to finally mention how he is being treated by refs. Kilkenny and Manion have great speed and this affords them the opportunity to win ball and use it well after using the natural gift of speed and if you pull them to slow them it's a straight free. Donaghy is six foot five inches tall and his natural skill is his ability to out jump opponents and distribute the ball with his fast hands, problem is that not only is he being bear hugged to prevent him from using his particular natural skill of jumping, at least one of his wrists is being constantly held so he usually can only use one hand to try to win the ball. Clearly there seems to be a mindset out there that his height is too much of an advantage and therefore I won't blow the attempts to equalise the defenders disadvantage. One thing that galls me is the clear lack of a plan to support him when he does go in, it's frustrating to see two or three players around him without a Kerry jersey in sight. In the training ground Eamon will have to have gooch close to him and the likes of Jameso or Darren screaming by when the high one comes in then he will break it to them and won't have to win it cleanly, Christ this is a basic tactic and has frightening potential. I know a few guys well involved in the Dublin GAA scene and they are very afraid of him, in fact they say they can manage every other forward but him and have referenced their relief at the lack of a plan to use him correctly by Kerry.
Some posters see only doom and gloom but I for one think the 11 point loss might be just the kick in the nuts we needed to jolt us into reality and that reality is that the dubs are preparing for every team with military precision. They are using pre rehearsed collective tactics to creat space for Cluxton to make different plays and hit players who are running into predetermined areas to either collect the ball or to pull Kerry players to a particular location so that the next set play can be made by them. Jim McGuinness brought this extreme tactical element to the table and now Gavin has moved it on with a talented group of young confident players who would stand on their heads in the middle of the game if Gavin told them to.
Eamon has much work to do and hard decisions to make but he will have the licence to make them now, he will know we need more speed in attack and defence. Lyne has great pace and has to be in the mix if we meet them later in the year, we will have Jameso there and his pace will create space for others as well being a real threat himself, good luck to him and to Kerry as the man says "were not bate yet"
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2016 12:30:57 GMT
When facing Dublin we cannot afford the luxury of giving them clean possession from their own kickout- stats from last Sunday show they lost only 2 of their own restarts from Cluxton- this is an indictment of how we set up allied to how Cluxton has developed his kick outs almost to an art form. If we look at the league games Dublin played vs Cork and Monaghan in Croke Park and vs Mayo in Castlebar we did not, to me at any rate, have a plan for dealing with Cluxtons restarts. Cork went to battle with the intention to get men behind the ball and park the bus. Mayo conducted a mix of press and drop off, Monaghan were much braver in pushing up on the kickouts and really trying to put pressure on Dublin while still effectively playing with 2 sweepers. Cork did the 3rd option. They defended in numbers.They forced numerous Dublin attacks to go lateral with at times up to 3 defenders in front of the "D"- when Gooch put us ahead @ 4 points to 3 it took Dublin 40 seconds to equalise through Jonny Cooper with the only tackle attempted being on Dean Rock. Cork led by 7 points at half time yet still lost the game which was mainly due to positional changes from Dublin at half time the principal being the moving of James McCarthy to midfield and Dublin also throwing off the shackles and possibly taking more risks than they are accustomed to. Monaghan probably performed best of all teams defensively vs Dublin, eventually losing only by a point; they pushed up on Dublin going man to man; their strategy was risky, if your opponent wins clean ball it could take 4/5 players out of the game- yet Monaghan were successful to a point with Dublin winning 67% possession from their own kick outs. Monaghan took 8 possessions from Dublins kick outs and scored 5 points and created 2 goal chances; defensively Dublin employed Cian O'Sullivan as an out and out sweeper presumably to counteract Ciaran McManus. If we have a full forward line of say JOD, Gooch & Geaney O'Sullivan will be play in a similar role. Mayo restricted Dublin to 9 points with Dublin having 11 of the team that started last Sunday- the caveats are that the night in Castlebar was appalling weather wise ( wind and rain) and Castlebar is not Croke park! I think that maybe we did not show our hand last Sunday strategy wise and the inclusion of added pace in our middle 8 ( Lyne, Killian) will improve us here- also, only David Moran of our midfield trio offered any protection/ assistance to our defence with Star and Sheehan being employed in a more forward role or an inability to get up and down the pitch. I also think that Maher offers you that bit extra in defence. Whilst we all acknowledge that Dublin are ahead of us at the moment, added pace with a defined plan for Cluxton could make for a very interesting spectacle should we meet in August- its up to management now! Very good post, Sunday was a masterclass in giving nothing away.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2016 12:34:34 GMT
fitzwop i agree with everything you said. I think most of us knew before this game that pace was our issue. The way Dublin move the ball and run at their opponents. Their are the best in the business at getting the ball in fast to Brogan and co. Kerry need youth and speed to beat Dublin. That's the bottom line. The old lads have been great servants but I think it's time for some of them to go to the bench. They don't have the legs anymore. The did very well in the League but they wilted when Dublin raised their game. I think it's time to look at younger back O'Beaglaoich obviously. Tom O'Sullivan Matt Flaherty Gavin Crowley maybe. Jack Savage Conor Keane or Killian Spillane. Barry O'Sullivan. It's time now to start looking at these lads and bring them in Fully agree re introducing a whole host of the young lads and letting them all off inside, young and old and see what emerges.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 27, 2016 12:59:09 GMT
I'm delighted we made the final despite the tearing we got. This Dublin side are the real deal and they came into this game wanting the victory as much as we did. One thing is is that we have been given an excellent opportunity to meet them at more or less championship pace just prior to the main event. Eamon Fitz is no fool and I think he will make the necessary changes in personnel, approach and tactics to take on the Dubs in August ( should we make it ). Last Sundays game was a good game of football and was quiet close until the latter stages but I never felt that we were going to take them as the intensity and pace were grinding us down. There are a few things that have to be looked at, If Kealy is to be retained he will have to be better prepared, to see him collecting the tee and ball from separate locations in a big game and walking to the kick out spot while never looking outfield for a potential early target is remarkable. Diarmuid Murphy is a keepers coach I'm told !!?? now this is a basic and very simple thing to change and of course will require the whole teams response. I don't know who is at fault but clearly the players are not expecting a quick kick out as their backs are turned to their keeper for far too long as they take up their expected positions, positions that Mr Gavin knows they will return to,,, predictable isn't the word. He doesn't seem to have the ability to "ping" the ball to a player that does make himself available and floats the ball out giving the opposition far too much time to get a tackle in, we lost far too many kick outs as a result of that style in my opinion. The goal was unfortunate but it was ultimately the full picture when all the jigsaw pieces of our failed kick out strategy were put in place. Other concerns are the highball and his worrying tendency to take too much out of the ball when it is sometimes played back to him. Fionn did not have a good game last Sunday and he should have got the curly finger much sooner. I'm sorry I know he's a good footballer but he simply does not have the required physique at this level and as a result has no stopping power, he is very often too far off his man to get in a decent tackle or win a fifty fifty ball and against the dublin forwards this wont do as he was left trailing time after time on sunday. How many times are our corner forwards Darren in particular winning ball while sprinting away from the posts without a viable runner to take the ball at pace, we seem to then stay messing around with it while the defence goes into total lockdown. The dubs are always running for each other and always seeking out open space to give good options to the player in possession. They were tearing holes in our defence last Sunday as a result of their commitment and support play ( who aren't running around in circles tipping the ball to each other minding possession on the forty ) by screaming past our forty heading straight for our backline which is resulting in fouls and all too often scores. Donaghy has been very effective this year at midfield when we are playing other teams but with Cluxton orchestrating the dubs they are for the most part able to keep the ball away from our big men in the middle. To be fair he did quit well providing protection last Sunday while he was out there but the dubs are quiet happy to have him as far as possible away from their square. While on that point it was no harm for Eamon to finally mention how he is being treated by refs. Kilkenny and Manion have great speed and this affords them the opportunity to win ball and use it well after using the natural gift of speed and if you pull them to slow them it's a straight free. Donaghy is six foot five inches tall and his natural skill is his ability to out jump opponents and distribute the ball with his fast hands, problem is that not only is he being bear hugged to prevent him from using his particular natural skill of jumping, at least one of his wrists is being constantly held so he usually can only use one hand to try to win the ball. Clearly there seems to be a mindset out there that his height is too much of an advantage and therefore I won't blow the attempts to equalise the defenders disadvantage. One thing that galls me is the clear lack of a plan to support him when he does go in, it's frustrating to see two or three players around him without a Kerry jersey in sight. In the training ground Eamon will have to have gooch close to him and the likes of Jameso or Darren screaming by when the high one comes in then he will break it to them and won't have to win it cleanly, Christ this is a basic tactic and has frightening potential. I know a few guys well involved in the Dublin GAA scene and they are very afraid of him, in fact they say they can manage every other forward but him and have referenced their relief at the lack of a plan to use him correctly by Kerry. Some posters see only doom and gloom but I for one think the 11 point loss might be just the kick in the nuts we needed to jolt us into reality and that reality is that the dubs are preparing for every team with military precision. They are using pre rehearsed collective tactics to creat space for Cluxton to make different plays and hit players who are running into predetermined areas to either collect the ball or to pull Kerry players to a particular location so that the next set play can be made by them. Jim McGuinness brought this extreme tactical element to the table and now Gavin has moved it on with a talented group of young confident players who would stand on their heads in the middle of the game if Gavin told them to. Eamon has much work to do and hard decisions to make but he will have the licence to make them now, he will know we need more speed in attack and defence. Lyne has great pace and has to be in the mix if we meet them later in the year, we will have Jameso there and his pace will create space for others as well being a real threat himself, good luck to him and to Kerry as the man says "were not bate yet" Great post. But, as you said the reason we don't have fells running to collect the ball from Darren etc is because of the lack of pace. As we too are playing a blanket, our midfielders and half forwards don't have the pace to get back up the pitch to receive the ball from the likes of Darren etc. We have to drop men back especially against Dublin as to go 6 v 6 in the backs would be crazy. If a ball is driven in to the full forward line from about our half back line (where all our half forwards etc have retreated to) by the time a player like Donaghy,Moran, Buckley, Sheehan, Walsh make up the ground to be a viable return ball for Darren the Dubs would either already have bottled Darren up or have formed their own blanket. And we just hand over possession constantly from our own kickouts. If i was a Kerry player after 40-50 seconds of high intensity defending I know i would be pretty pi**ed to see kickouts going out over the line or straight to a dublin player. I mean whats all the hard work for if you are just going to throw it away. It always takes more out of a team to defend for long periods than to attack.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2016 13:08:23 GMT
No other Keeper in the land has the kick out code cracked like Cluxton, albeit he's team mates are heavily implicated in it's success. Maybe we are not fully acknowledging a genius at work in our demands for others to replicate his greatness.
Dublin's kick outs have by now become just one component in a very well oiled machine.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2016 13:28:48 GMT
The Dublin reserve keeper is poor at the short kick out. Cluxton is a genius at that. I am a "lamp it as far as you can down the field" man myself. If Dublin do win it then they have to work it all the way back. The only consolation I take from Sunday is that Dublin are unlikely to gain possession from such a high number of kickouts by their own keeper or Kerry's keeper even again. Surely!
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Post by Dermot on Apr 27, 2016 14:14:09 GMT
Its been the case for the last 5 years .. Having Cluxton on your team is like having another one or two players roaming about .. He's that good at what he does .. Never has a keeper had such an influence and I just cant see how any keeper in the future could ever have more. ... He's the single most important player on that Dublin team .. in Ireland in fact. What age is he now anyway and is it not about time he fecked off and gave someone else a chance lol
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Post by yourholiness on Apr 27, 2016 14:18:30 GMT
yourholiness... are you a dub fan.... you said earlier than EF is taking Kerry down a road that wont beat dublin...what should he being doing in your view I am a dub Mickmack . I just feel that fitzmaurice has adopted short termism at a time when Kerry football needs a visionary . I feel that the constitution of the Kerry team is wrong at the moment in terms of age, physique and pace . I think 2014 victory perhaps drew a halt to a rebuild that is necessary . I don't understand the approach . I would if I thought the current crop could squeeze a final all Ireland out of them but i don't get that impression . I hasten to add Kerry have proven me wrong before and as dubs we are probably all too eager to see a demise where things may not be so dramatic. In essence I just feel a rebuild was required before now . I' won't name players because these are amateurs but I will say there are a number of players, when names on the Kerry team , that make me feel Confident that Dublin will prevail. These are not all necessarily the older lads . Kerry will get it right but I think it seems a bit directionless at present , but then things often do in April .
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Post by veteran on Apr 27, 2016 14:34:47 GMT
Gamechanger 10, I totally agree with you about the apparent lack of support for KD. My hair has fallen out from writing about it here. This lack of support is not restricted to the regime of Eamon. It often manifested itself in the Jack era as well. It is simply astounding that over such a long period we have not been able deploy our most lethal weapon to our advantage.
Somebody suggested that KD's support act do not have the energy/pace to get back down the field to help him. That may apply in Croke Park against Dublin but this has been going on for several years against lesser teams and in tighter pitches.
I remember well a NFL game at home when our corner forwards that day were Paul O'Connor and Kieran O'Leary. The following day I recall writing that KD would have the names of these guys up in lights if only they would hang about and gobble up some of the crumbs from his table. I don't think it was due to exhaustion that they failed to prosper. I wonder could there be an element of laziness or hiding?
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