All-Irl Final 2007 : Kerry v Cork : Post-match

[luxrebel]

Ok Stacks, I will watch it again.......but in about 3-4 weeks when I feel a bit better. I am still kind of hoping the DVD had some kind of error on it......

[austinstacksabu]

Do - feigning injury is the one thing that annoyed me about the Armagh team in particular when they were in the groove, and I'd be the first to stand up and be annoyed if we are at it, but I can't see how that assertion is being reached by Mr. Kavanagh Esq.

[animal]

Yeah to be fair we are guilty of plenty negative stuff but not the feigning injury. God, I'd hate that to creep in. I was very surprised by Kavanagh's comments.

[homerj]

kavanagh would be best suited to shutting his gob and lamenting on how Seamus Scanlon bate him out the gates of croker last sunday. what next will these lads come out with? first billy with his " the most cynical of all teams are our neighbours", now this. not once did a kerry player fake an injury, and it will never happen either.

[Mickmack]

Congrats to Pat o Shea and all the players and thank you for making us proud to be from Kerry.

In 1997 Kerry entered the final with Mayo and no Kerry player had a medal in the back pocket. Pat Fallon ahd dominated midfield for Mayo in all games and if Kerry could break even at midfield thay had a great chance. A young Dara o shea dominated Pat Fallon and swung the game in Kerrys favour.

Ten years on and Dara is immense again.

What a clan that O'Shea clan is.

Imagine how Reidy, Scanlan, Sheehan, Young feel this week. I am particularly happy for Reidy.

We can now let Moynihan, McCarthy and Fitzmaurice go and enjoy their well deserved retirement. Their job is done. The flame has been handed on.

[murhur]

So I read in some article that the O'Se family have now more All-Ireland's than the Spillanes. Anyone able to verify that, and is it just the 3 brothers in each case.
If Paidi in involved in the tally then the Lynes on the Spillane side would also have to be included.

[misteallaigh abú]

In fairness, I thought that some of the media were quite gracious to us in print and on the radio etc, Máirtin Mac Hugh has never been a fan of Kerry, Liam Hayes proved on Newstalk last night that he is a sad and somewhat envious man really trying to make a name forhimself by being "controversial", as a sports journalist he is'nt a patch on Kieran Shannon or Malachy Clerkin, who write for the same paper.Eugene Mc Gee put him back in his little box fairly lively I thought. Quite honestly that team put a lot of myths to rest on Sunday. Any talk of handy all irelands is in my opinion, extremely unfair. It is an insult to any player who breaks his stones for 10 months training, travelling to play matches most weekends, having a restricted social life,putting up with abuse from opposition and home fans, having your name blackened by tv pundits (Brolly's disgraceful comments on Paul Galvin last year) even though you are an amateur player. There are NO handy all irelands.
This group of guys are some men, none more so than Darragh Sé,what a leader & footballer who has stuck it out for so long.Likewise Mike Frank, many lads would have walked away if they got the knock backs he has taken in recent years.They deserve every plaudit and thanks. Talking to many neutrals in the last few days, many of them were disappointed with the game went, I certainly was'nt. I was so proud to be a Kerryman.Long may we reign....
P.S listened to terrace talk special on the internet last night, absolutely superb coverage.

[Jo90]

mickmack said:

In 1997 Kerry entered the final with Mayo and no Kerry player had a medal in the back pocket.

Stephen Stack had one from '86.

[fritz]

Congrats to the team and all associated for bringing us so much joy this year. We are very proud of them. They are a credit to the county and indeed the country. I saw them train in Killarney the Saturday before the final and they were flying. There was an A v B game with an official ref. The game was ended after about 45 minutes with the As around 4-11 to 0-5 up. Young Bohan must be relieved he won't have the Gooch to worry about in training for a few months.

I was out in City West on Sunday night and was delighted to thank most of the squad in person. Donaghy is a giant of a man! Myself and my girlfriend ended up sharing a taxi into town with a lovely couple afterwards. Yapping away to them and they said they were from Cromane. I said it was Sean O'Sullivan territory and was informed they were his parents! Lovely way to end a fantastic day.

Congrats to all on the forum too! First saw it before the Monaghan game and I have been hooked ever since. It is a fantastic outlet for a Killarney exile in Dublin. Keep up all the stimulating debate.

[Riocht]

Comhghairdeachas ó chroí d'fhoireann Chiarraí! I'm a little late as Broadband was acting up! They were brillant alltogether. A relaxing match for a spectator! Go fada buan iad.

By the way I got an awful taste in my mouth and an ache in my belly - not to mention the urge for nicoteen just before Offally 25years team were introduced, and I had to leave the field for a bit! Did anyone else get this feeling?!!!

Ciarraí Abú!!!

[martym]

Thanks to Pat and the boys for a great day out . Each All Ireland is important but this one will linger for a while indeed 2 days later i still havent recovered .I was pissed off in the build up hearing from Non Cork and non erry people that the last 100 years did not matter if Kerry lost on Sunday . I was especially glad for the 2 Rathmore lads who showed what men they were under pressure .

[Die Hard Kerry Fan]

Sorry if this is the wrong place for it lads, but just some quotes of the RTE website :

2007 All-Ireland SFC Final Quotes
'We represent a people, we are conscious of that every time we go out, whether we are going out to perform in a League match or a Championship match. That is what I felt in the job this year that I had to uphold what had gone before me. We follow in the footsteps of the people that went before us and pass the torch on to the people after.' Kerry manager Pat O'Shea outlines the significance of maintaining the Kerry 'tradition'.

'I could hear Alan coming and I knew Kieran O'Connor was pretty close so I felt that if I got any nick on it at all there was a chance that it might hit the net. The scores at the start of the second half were killer blows for them and it would have been hard for any team to come back.' Kerry goal hero and RTÉ Man of the Match Colm Cooper reveals he heard Cork goalkeeper Alan Quirke advancing off his line before he punched the ball to the net.

'It's very hard to put it into words really. There are circumstances of fate that have me there (as captain). The most important thing for me is that Kerry have put back to back All-Ireland titles together. That's the biggest thing, but obviously it's a proud moment for myself.' Proud Kerry captain Declan O'Sullivan reflects on lifting the Sam Maguire Cup for the second year running.

'They are stating to emulate the Kerry team of the 1970s and 1980s, and look like surpassing them. The message is out there loud and clear, that Kerry are not only the best team this year, but very much the team to beat going into the future.' Ex-Kerry footballer and selector John O'Keefe sends out an ominous warning to any counting looking to deny Kerry a famous three-in-a-row.

'I stole the ball. I had to check myself. I got a fright. Said to myself "am I gone mad? There's no goalie." It's just unfortunate for them. It broke for me. Fortunate enough.' Kerry's two-goal hero Kieran Donaghy on the first of his two strikes against Cork. And the second: 'I've been telling the lads I don't think Drogba could have swivelled any better to finish it!'

'There was a big gulf in class between the teams. Kerry have learned so much since 1995. They have improved immensely as a team and with Donaghy at full-forward and the way they're playing now with this blanket defensive system, once they get ahead of you, and the fact that they give the long ball into Donaghy, you can't control Gooch anymore. Tyrone controlled Gooch in the 1995 final because they (Kerry) had a small full-forward line and they were able to play a man in front of him. But you can't control him anymore because you kick the ball into Donaghy, Donaghy brings him into the game then. Donaghy and Gooch could have played on any Kerry team of the century and adorn it. They're sensational Gealic footballers.' The Sunday Game's Joe Brolly leaves us in no doubt about his admiration for Colm Cooper and Kieran Donaghy.

'As Billy (Morgan) said in the Kerry dressing room, they have set the standard and we have to aspire to it. They have done what Cork did in 1990, retain their title. They have 35 titles now. They are the yardstick by which you want to measure yourself. There was a lot of silly talk all along that this Kerry team wouldn't compare with the great Kerry teams. They have proved (themselves) today. This is their fourth final in a row and third title.' Cork selector John Corcoran believes this current crop of Kerry players can hold their heads high after firmly establishing themselves as one of the game's greatest ever sides.

'I felt that everything Kerry football stood for was on the line today. I felt everything we had achieved in the last four or five years, and in the last hundred years, was riding on 70 minutes of football and the fear of losing to Cork drove us. We had a meeting on Saturday night and when I looked around I knew there was no way anyone was going to let that happen. It's all about medals. I don't care who is in the final, I just want to win as many medals as I can, but the fact that it was Cork meant defeat was not an option.' Kerry's Paul Galvin admits he and his team-mates never contemplated defeat to Cork.

'Kerry were always going to win this game. They were totally on top, it was a no-contest. Gaelic football is a very fair game; the better team will always win bar some disastrous circumstances, or maybe when one team is not motivated properly. But when two teams come together and one team has superior raw talent, as Kerry have, we all know they have, there was no chance of them being under-motivated because of the opposition and because it was an All-Ireland final.' The Sunday Game's Colm O'Rourke pays tribute to Kerry's 'superior raw talent'.

'We're a much better team than that. That's their fourth final in a row. It's our first in maybe 10 years. There is a young team there. I think there is a huge future for Cork football. I believe there is an All-Ireland in them. The only difference in the first half was that goal. We got a terrible start to the second half, which was a bad mistake on our part.' Cork manager Billy Morgan is optimistic this Cork team will challenge for an All-Ireland again in the years ahead.

'We felt we had a chance of goals, especially when Colm got the goal in the first half. We were slow enough around the middle getting it in. We were sluggish, but we upped the ante a small bit in the second half then. And we tackled a lot. Our half-backs and our half-forwards were exceptional. It was our tackling and our working - that's really where games are won and lost.' Darragh Ó Sé believes that Kerry's tackling and hard work paved the way for victory.

'I would just put it down to the fact that they are a lot more experienced than us. They are a lot more cute and savvy. They really only put up their best show come this time of the Championship.' Cork captain Derek Kavanagh pays tribute to Kerry's immense experience.

[Die Hard Kerry Fan]

Just took this poll of the independent website as well, seems to be a few that thought we were faking injuries, but the majority of people know we weren't :

Kerry accused of faking injuries
Do you think Kerry were faking injuries during Sunday's All-Ireland final?

Your answer

Yes


No

Vote
See poll results
2 comments
Do you think Kerry were faking injuries during Sunday's All-Ireland final?

Yes 37%
No 63%

[Kingdomson]

mickmack said:

Congrats to Pat o Shea and all the players and thank you for making us proud to be from Kerry.

In 1997 Kerry entered the final with Mayo and no Kerry player had a medal in the back pocket. Pat Fallon ahd dominated midfield for Mayo in all games and if Kerry could break even at midfield thay had a great chance. A young Dara o shea dominated Pat Fallon and swung the game in Kerrys favour.

Ten years on and Dara is immense again.

What a clan that O'Shea clan is.

Imagine how Reidy, Scanlan, Sheehan, Young feel this week. I am particularly happy for Reidy.

We can now let Moynihan, McCarthy and Fitzmaurice go and enjoy their well deserved retirement. Their job is done. The flame has been handed on.

I would like to repeat the sentiments of Mickmack. An awesome display of footballing power from the Kingdom! Well done to all concerned! You have made all Kerry people so proud.

[bob567]

Congradulations to pat and his backroom and the players and the fans on a fantastic year

[buck02]

I said it on the other thread before the game that this wasnt your typical Kerry/Cork game where anything can and does happen. This was an all ireland final, this was a game in Croke Park. Cork felt that after beating Sligo and Meath that the "Croke Park" factor no longer applied, that they would be able to correct the wrongs of 02,05 & 06 against Kerry in Croke Park.

Kerry had the experience of all ireland final days and this was a big factor in the way the game went on Sunday. Eamon Fitz says in todays Kerryman that Cork stayed in the Burlington the night before the game, a few players were seen having a kick about in the hotel car park the morning of the game and some players were mingling with supporters in and around the hotel. From a preparation point of view this is an absolute disaster. I would have thought for somebody with Billy Morgans experience, he wouldnt have let this happen.

Somebody else here mentioned Corks on field warm up. They seemed to me to be full of nerves and not tuned into the game at all. While Kerry were also nervous for the first 10/15 minutes, once we settled down it was only Coldricks awarding of some farily soft frees inside our 45 which kept Cork in it till half time.

Now of course from a tactics and from a performance perspective we were much better all around the field. Playing Sheehan as an extra half forward/midfielder was a masterstroke, he contributed more height and physicality in the area many observers were saying we'd struggle and along with Brosnan (who did a lot of great work off the ball) provided the platform for Kerry to get enough possession in the middle third and put ball into the vast space for Donaghy and Gooch to get the scores from.

Its been another great year, Kerry being the first team since 99 to win all their championship matches in a season. We know that this is a special bunch of players, they have not get the praise they deserve in the media or from their own people and this is probably something which drives them on.

Roll on the first weekend in February 2008!

[una]

murhur said:

So I read in some article that the O'Se family have now more All-Ireland's than the Spillanes. Anyone able to verify that, and is it just the 3 brothers in each case.
If Paidi in involved in the tally then the Lynes on the Spillane side would also have to be included.

I imagine it has to include Paidi as 3 o se's now have 12 and Pat Spillane had 8 on his own. Surely other 2 Spillanes had more than 4 between them???

[kb]

From Saturday's Independent:

www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/quiet-man-tomas-does-his-talking-on-the-pitch-1081072.html


In terms of medal collections the O Ses (uncle and nephews combined) are still behind the Spillane/Lyne axis that accumulated some 24 All-Irelands between 1946 and 1986.

But the gap is closing. By Sunday evening the Ventry brothers and uncle could bring their haul to an impressive 20 in a 32-year span.

Looks like the Sheas are still 4 behind - but for how long :-) ?

[murhur]

It makes sense that the Spillanes would still be ahead.

But this was from an article in Monday's Indo:

O'Se's of Ventry has now eclipsed Spillanes of Templenoe as the country bar with the most All-Ireland medals -- Heaven can wait.

Perhaps by saying "country bar", that excludes the Lynes who were from Killarney and wouldnt have their medals down in Templenoe?

[alonso]

thanks to the kerry team for all d entertainment again this year and making all kerry people so proud to be from kerry

[vman]

just out of curiosity....who exactly is being accused of feigning injury?
the only player i remember being on the deck was galvin after he got a thump in the throat from lynch. and he was up again fairly quick anyway.

[alonso]

vman said:

just out of curiosity....who exactly is being accused of feigning injury?
the only player i remember being on the deck was galvin after he got a thump in the throat from lynch. and he was up again fairly quick anyway.

they probably mean dara as when he got up after being down he was smiling more sour grapes id say. i wouldnt be too bothered

[ardfertnarrie]

Its complete and utter ballsology from a whinging Kavanagh. The only Kerry players I can remember going down was Galvin; he got a fairly harmless knock in the throat and got up fairly quickly and the play had already been stopped and the game was practically over. The other was Darragh and it was nothing, he went down for a few seconds holding his hip but got up and it didn't hold the game up.

Its sour grapes from Kavanagh, who as captain, had a nightmare of a game. It just makes the anihilation of them all the more sweeter.

Nice one Derek.

Oh and Kerry should have had a penalty so it should have been 4-13 to 1-9!!

[JOAN]

Like holding up the play was going to change the result... Painful to watch in the last 20mins... Ciarrai abu

[Dermot]

Well folks - First day I've been able to get online since your big win !

Well Done !

Cork were a bit of a letdown and I'm sure you guys would rather have had a closer game but you (again) can only beat what's in front of you !

I hope we can give you a rattle next year - depending on injuries ofcoarse !

I think that we may be the only outfit (with a full squad) who can challenge you at all !

Anyway - Well done again and roll on next year !

Enjoy the bleeks months - Now we can also go and get depressed over Ireland Rugby ! (3 hail marys and a decade of the rosary please !)

[ardfertnarrie]

dermot said:

Well folks - First day I've been able to get online since your big win !

Well Done !

Cork were a bit of a letdown and I'm sure you guys would rather have had a closer game but you (again) can only beat what's in front of you !

I hope we can give you a rattle next year - depending on injuries ofcoarse !

I think that we may be the only outfit (with a full squad) who can challenge you at all !

Anyway - Well done again and roll on next year !

Enjoy the bleeks months - Now we can also go and get depressed over Ireland Rugby ! (3 hail marys and a decade of the rosary please !)

Viva la France. ;D

[lostinmayo]

well folks, first time on the www since game, what a team a, what a performance... blew Cork away...

an awful lot of talk about soft goals, but fact is Kerry were easily 10 points better than Cork, and if they didn't get those 2 goals, they would've won by 10 anyway, shure they took it handy in 2nd half. It's more than a coincidence that teams seem to completely collapse against Kerry in final in last few years, all except Tyrone, who had the winning experience. Cork and Mayo are no bad teams, Kerry just made them look that way by being totally prepared mentally and physically, credit for this has got to go to mgmt teams of O'Se and O' Connor, it's hard thing to get right, ask Eddie O' Sullivan.

Delighted for 3 'new' lads, 2 debutants had fantastic seasons, coach showed great faith in Reidy and it paid off, first time a celtic cross coming to Scart, fantastic. A lot of talk on this forum for Scanlon to be dropped after Monaghan, I said give him a chance, he needed games to get confidence, Croke Park is a place some players need to get used to, Scanlon certainly has the taste now and can go from stregth to strength if he keeps the head right. Joxer, you were one of the most vocal critics and I see your comments about him earlier and I know you're glad you were proved wrong. First celtic cross coming to Currow as a starting team member, great achievement for two neighbouring parishes. What about Renard, is that also a first by Young.

I'll finish with a few words for the Gooch, this guy is just something, he brings a tear to my eye nearly every time he plays, that point into the Hill in 2nd half, magical, I never thought I would see a more gifted player than Maurice, well I have and he can become the greatest ever Kerry player thus becoming the greatest. Go and see him every chance you get, when he goes there will be a void, him alone made up for the disappointment in the quality of the match for the neutral...

Roll on no. 36 and 3 in a row, and Dermot, I do hope Tyrone are back at full strength next year to challenge this great team.

[Mickmack]

Dermot........ for all long as "doing the county man" remains part of the culture of Tyrone club football ye will struggle. Its the enemy within that ye have to sort out.

[Original KYFan]

Well done, congratulations and a massive thank you to the panel, management and all involved with this fantastic team. Couldn't have been any prouder of the way the players performed and was delighted to watch each of the lads climb the steps of the Hogan & lift the cup.

Two abiding memories (aside from the brilliant display on the pitch) will be the beginning of Declan's speech and Paul jumping up onto the presentation platform with Sam - two examples that showed just how important it was for the lads to win...and to win so convincingly...after all they have endured over the past few years.

Enjoy the much deserved celebrations and have a rest lads...looking forward to seeing you back to defend the title again next year!

[Dermot]

mickmack said:

Dermot........ for all long as "doing the county man" remains part of the culture of Tyrone club football ye will struggle. Its the enemy within that ye have to sort out.

Aye, you have a point there - I just honestly can't see it changing !

I was actually talking to a few older boys from Arboe (where Brian's from) last week and it's pissing them off to no end !

One guy actually did have a good point which explains it all a bit (without condoning it ofcoarse) - He was of the opinion that because Tyrone have had no previous AI success prior to 2003, all we have had to look forward to was club football - hense, the fanatical club scene up here .... And the "get the county man" attitude !

I actually thought that he explained it very well !

There are however some total gobsh1tes who think that getting the county man will make them look like a big fella - Either way you're right, its got to stop now if we've any chance of keeping our best players !