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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 17, 2007 18:48:30 GMT
Never mind the quality of the opposition and stuff the begrudgers who say this was another disappointing final. The Kerry team displayed pure class yesterday. There isn't another team that could have touched them on that form - just like Mayo last year.
From the lower reaches of the Nally stuck in the middle of a group of Corkmen and some Derry supporters who needed bereavement counselling I felt the butterflies fluttering and it stayed like that until I saw the Gooch's goal on the big screen at the opposite end. I also watched the two Star goals at close range and almost in slow-motion - that's going to stay with me for some time.
This time last year I made my first post which outlined the perils of a kerry supporter in Ulster which ended with my prediction for this year: "back to back in 2007" Thank God i was right.
On the other hand, in a more recent post, I thought we would win by no more than 3 points - at least i got the half-time score right. ;D
The most encouragine thing about this season is how all the new and "nearly new" players handled themselves - hope for the three in a row and could there be more?
For now though they can relax and enjoy the next few weeks secure in the knowledge that they are a credit to the Kingdom and the stuff of legends.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 17, 2007 19:05:23 GMT
The great John B Keane used to say that the greatest blessing that God could bestow on any man was for him to be born a Kerryman.. How true for him
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Post by Exiled2Dublin on Sept 17, 2007 19:41:04 GMT
Great to be a Kerryman in Dublin this morning. Shrugging off the congratulations of the admiring neutrals. Even the Cork crowd at work could only say "fair dues......ye langers!" The funny thing was there were no arguments left to have. No more "soft All-Irelands." No talk of Northern superiority. No allegations of cynicism. Kerry are now firmly established as the best team since the Golden Years era and the only question left is whether they will ultimately surpass even that standard. If they keep playing like yesterday then they surely will. And the entire full forward line plus Declan, Killian and Padraig surely have their peak years ahead of them, an awesome thought. And the Walsh brothers to break through to the senior team yet..... Great credit to Pat O'Shea too. Jack was a hard act to follow but he stepped up and did us proud. His selection decisions are totally vindicated, his substitutions throughout the year were timely and effective and the overall attitude in the camp is obviously first class. I think he'll be there for a while yet! Agus rud eile.................. Kerry have now equalled Cork's combined 36 hurling and football Senior All-Irelands. It's now 1 + 35 for us, and 30 + 6 for them. Here's to taking the lead in 2008 ;D ;D
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Post by jackiel on Sept 17, 2007 19:47:25 GMT
Just want to add my congratulations to all involved in yesterday's win. I'm delighted that the lads pulled off "the double" and are finally being recongnised as the truly great footballer's they are. Gooch was sublime yesterday, its amazing to think that he's still so young but has done so much for football( in Kerry & beyond). I was very impressed also with some of the "newer" players - the future looks very bright. Seamus Scanlon had a great game and really came into his own also. Last but not least there's Star - what more can I say. Roll on 2008.
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Post by JOAN on Sept 17, 2007 21:12:34 GMT
Just back from what was a great weekend. Recked but so worth it.. Congrats to all... Ciarrai abu
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Post by vman on Sept 18, 2007 2:36:56 GMT
ANIMALS! a bunch of ANIMALS. thats what ye are. the whiskey stains are barely dry on the inside of Sam and the sweat hasnt been washed out of the jerseys yet and ye are already looking for the 3 in a row. ANIMALS! and there isnt a pack of animals i'd rather be in the middle of. brilliant game on sunday. delighted for everyone involved and especially for everyone going back to work/school in cork next week. theres nobody going to be able to keep that smile off their face for the rest of the week.magic. bring on the 3 in a row. its looks like we are on the top for a while to come. ANIMALS!!
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 18, 2007 7:40:55 GMT
congrats to kerry. fully deserved the win and completely outclassed us on the day. whats most disappointing is that, while we are not as good a side as kerry, we are certainly not as bad a side as we showed on sunday. again, well done, this team have showed they can go on to be one of the great kerry teams
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2007 7:49:49 GMT
i think ye made a mistake gruaigcatach of changing yere team from the meath match,re reajusted 3 lines to solve one problem,masters couldnt have been match fit either, seeing as lynch came on why didnt they strap anthonys fingers together and administer a few injections,surely he could have started if he could have come on.
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Post by luxrebel on Sept 18, 2007 7:50:29 GMT
I will echo what Gruaig says there. Well done to Kerry, ye really peaked for the final and blew us away where we expected to be strongest around the middle. The pressure built up throughout the first half and we imploded in the second through sheer Kerry pressure.
I think we are a better team than we showed on Sunday but we need to learn from how Kerry play the game if we are to go one better against this fine Kerry team.
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Post by ticketless on Sept 18, 2007 8:20:14 GMT
As Churchill the dog would say... 'Oh Yes!' Sweated it out until 1:00pm Sunday...but by 1:20 was seated in the Hogan Stand. Absolute privilege... to be there. Football in its purest form. Spare a thought for the Cork team... great ambassadors for the game and can only imagine how they feel. Well done to the entire Kerry panel... Ye deserved it lads! Thanks for the joy, excitement and honour ye brought the Kerry. I hope the County Board look after ye. I am appealing to all Kerry Supporters to turn out in mass to the Goal charity game in Tralee... it's a fitting tribute to the team to be there and also a worthy cause.
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Post by ticketless on Sept 18, 2007 8:26:19 GMT
... and no Cork are not that bad. I think Cork have the bones of a very good team. Fact is... they met a Kerry team who were simply not going to be beaten... a Kerry team who oozed class... who supported each other on every inch of Croker... a kerry team with raw passion, guts and courage... Outstanding performances all over the field... Well done lads... and a special well done to my neighbour Paul Galvin... the pride of Ballinclogher.
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Post by leesider on Sept 18, 2007 8:45:48 GMT
.and no Cork are not that bad. I think Cork have the bones of a very good team. Thank you for those words of encouragement ticketless, but i don't agree with you. I don't think there is an AI in this team, some of them have been playing inter-county for a good few years now and are not going to get any better (Kavanagh, Masters,Kieran O' Connor to name a few). To the new man (if Billy quits) I would say "stick with Donncha O' Connor,Spillane and Goulding but persisting with the rest of them is useless". Harsh but true.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 18, 2007 9:14:40 GMT
Leesider.
I agree with some of your points.
Kieran O Connor and Derek Kavanagh are not getting any better. James Masters is like some players we had a number of years ago, give them a bit of space and they will destroy you, but they dont like close encounters. (some have toughened up since)
Face facts: ye had a collective Diem Horribilis and are not as bad as that. We had one of them in the semi V Meath a few years. So keep the faith and believe that its possible.
We had a soft underbelly some timeback, but you certainly cant call it that now. And despite what morgan might think, its not cynical its mental and physical toughness and intensity.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 18, 2007 10:39:03 GMT
Once again the media are very disingenuous of this great Kerry performance.
Articles in the main are focussing on Cork's weaknesses, diabolical game, worst ever final etc etc
They talk about Kerry cuteness, cynical play etc
They are a right bunch of idiots.
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Post by islandexile on Sept 18, 2007 10:54:14 GMT
Would somebody be able to paste the Tom Humphries article on Declan O' Sullivan from the Times (15th Sept) into the articles thread. You need to have subscribed to read it on-line. Cheers!
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Post by ticketless on Sept 18, 2007 11:01:45 GMT
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Post by peig on Sept 18, 2007 11:19:33 GMT
OK, it's like this. The audio on my laptop is fcuked so I can't make out what Declan O'Sullivan said in his speech. Is there a transcript anywhere or can someone give me the lowdown on what he said?
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Post by peig on Sept 18, 2007 11:22:33 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2007 11:33:46 GMT
The most of has been good apart from the usual begrudgers out there,i wouldnt worry about it too much,its fairly irelevant and is more of a reflection on themselves.
the history books dont lie,kerry have won 3 all-irelands from four finals in the last 4 seasons and have only been beaten once in championship football since 2003, apart from replayed munster final last year, and that by one kick of the ball from one of the great forwards in the game with a piece of footballing genius.
someone said in one of the papers today,something along the lines,a number ofall-ireland medals in your pocket in kerry doesnt make you stand out in kerry while in other counties players with one medal can dine out on it for life,people like hayes,mchugh,brolly etc spring to mind.Mchughs articles in yesterdays star was one of the saddest i've every read,went along the lines that darraghs five medals have come against mayo 3,galway 1 and cork and that they will be deminished till he beats a northern team in an all-ireland final.
personally i would like to view sundays result as two green and gold raised fingers to people like mchugh and hayes etc and next year if we won a three in a row one raised green and gold finger,preferably the middle one to these guys.
ps.i only bought the star to look at the pictures
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 11:42:27 GMT
Most coverage has been very generous except for McHugh and the clown Hayes.
Maughan's articles today calling for the abolition of the backdoor system because it gives the strong teams a better chance is a joke.
Weren't they saying a few years ago that the back door would be a disadvantage to Kerry as they would have to face all the best teams in order to win and that the days of peaking for two games a year were over.
The AI championship is about finding the best team in the country not providing a good fairytale story for the media.
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Post by Piggy on Sept 18, 2007 12:14:46 GMT
have the present kerry team a harder passage to win all ireland than the golden years team??this year for example we'd to beat cork twice dublin and monaghan while the golden team had to only beat cork and Dublin as Connaught and Ulster were very poor standard back then. when people look back at this kerry team they will see them as one of the greatest of all time i think.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 18, 2007 12:53:27 GMT
McHugh said before the munster final that whoever lost that final would be in a better position come the end of the year. He also said after the Armagh game that it's better to lose in your province, yesterday he's saying that he wants it changed now anyway! Hypocrite. And I'm not even going to go into all the crap he gave Pat all year about selecting Scanlon.....
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 18, 2007 13:51:34 GMT
I've read about Kerry cynicism etc.. What a load of auld bull I say. They just don't want to admit it that Kerry are a great, great team. Since when did being courteous to your opponents win you an All Ireland title.. That's right - never. All of the great teams in all forms of sports have been cynical when needs be, they don't stand back and let the other teams play their own style, they do what needs to be done to stop them from playing how they want to play. Perhaps these begrudgers are peeved they haven't thought of it themselves.. Or is it just they don't have the talented, magnificent breed of footballer we possess?
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Post by animal on Sept 18, 2007 14:23:09 GMT
McHugh said before the munster final that whoever lost that final would be in a better position come the end of the year. He also said after the Armagh game that it's better to lose in your province, yesterday he's saying that he wants it changed now anyway! Hypocrite. And I'm not even going to go into all the crap he gave Pat all year about selecting Scanlon..... Did McHugh say this in the Star? Don't read it so wouldn't know. Where did his dislike for Kerry come from at all? There's no record at all between Donegal and Kerry. Anyone know the root?
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Post by Piggy on Sept 18, 2007 14:37:44 GMT
jealousy
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Post by badbilly on Sept 18, 2007 14:43:31 GMT
Fantastic performance from our boys, they blew Cork away. Seemed very nervy in the first half, should definetly have been further ahead at half time. I think Gooch would have got a carbon copy of his 2004 goal vs. Mayo if Sheamus Scanlon hadn't made a run into the box and got in his way. We played fantastic football at the start of the second half - great scores from Gooch, Dec and Scanlon. After that Cork threw in the towel. The tackling by the half backs and half forwards was a key factor, some great hits put in. Incredible to think we've won our last 3 All Irelands by a total of 31 points. This really is a great team. Gooch and the 3 O Sé's would get on a Kerry team from any era.
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Post by kb on Sept 18, 2007 14:54:43 GMT
Did anybody read today's article in the Irish Times where Derek Kavanagh was interviewed? Obviously I am totally biased, but I watched the game with several neutrals - and none suggested anything negative about Kerry's style of play. However, Cork really do have an issue with admitting defeat. Last year Billy spent the Summer complaining about cynical football. And now Kavanagh is complaining about time wasting - never mind the fact that Cork were history as soon as the second goal went in. Admittedly Kerry have brought some factors of northern football into their game. Looking at the stats of the Kerry team, the Gooch is the only player under 12 stone, and we did learn how to control the pace of the game. Kerry were far superior than Cork on Sunday. Here is what Kavanagh had to say:
Kavanagh made an interesting observation that can be construed as criticism of Kerry time-wasting after Kieran Donaghy put them six points clear. It can also be taken as a compliment.
"You have to hand it to them. They are the best team in Ireland. Simple as that, and they are the most experienced team in Ireland having played now in four all-Ireland finals in a row. When they get up a lead on you they know what to do.
"They had fellas going down taking injuries every time we got up to goal. That's just experience and that's just what they kept doing. It's impossible to play against."
We sought further clarification. "Ah, they just do it. They are masters of it and they were doing it left, right and centre but, look, that's sport and that's what they are good at."
The 26-year-old Nemo Rangers midfielder had no interest in ducking the reality of the situation. "It's actually worse today. When you get up after a sleepless night, you are just lying awake in the bed there for the last two hours having real live nightmares, so it was awful, like."
Kavanagh was asked to sift through he wreckage some more. Why were Cork unable to maintain the Kerry pace? How come the game was up by the 36th minute? He admitted the root cause of their problems came from his own patch. Darragh Ó Sé territory.
"Everything that could go wrong did go wrong really. There were awful mistakes made by everyone. We started off by not winning the breaks around midfield and carried on then. The defence was getting bombarded and it was only a matter of time before they collapsed and that's exactly what happened.
"I can't really make sense of it. I suppose we're going to have to step back and take a look at it. I was in the middle of it yesterday. It's just hard to know what happened."
What about the dressingroom at half-time? "We were actually lucky to be only three points down because we played so bad and we were quite confident that there was a load more in us but to give away that goal and when Kerry are six points up they are not going to throw away that lead."
Will Morgan stay on for another term? "I hope so because he is the driving force behind us. He is the man who inspires us and organises everything. An absolute treat to work under so I just hope he stays involved.
"As soon as the final whistle blew I was packing it up as well but, you know, you get sense. Hopefully I'll get the hunger to get back training and go at it again. We'll just have to suffer and hurt for a couple of days. That's part of losing and just part of getting better, I suppose. It's part of what will drive us on in January and February."
Cork trainer Ted Owens was lingering in the lobby. Because of his role as CEO of City of Cork VEC he was hesitant to give an interview but thankfully he relented. The same question was repeated.
"There are no contracts. Certainly not in Cork because we are not paid. We don't get a ha'penny. Officially our term is up so whether or not people want to go forward again I don't know.
"I haven't spoken to Billy about it but what I do know is Billy will do what is best for Cork football. He is very passionate about Cork football. Billy has had some marvellous victories but he has suffered more defeats than anybody else. He has always bounced back. I don't know what he is going to do."
Ted Owens then trying to suggest that lads get paid for it, where poor Cork do not. It is a level playing field, can they not just say 'well done, the better team won'?
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 18, 2007 15:40:20 GMT
McHugh said before the munster final that whoever lost that final would be in a better position come the end of the year. He also said after the Armagh game that it's better to lose in your province, yesterday he's saying that he wants it changed now anyway! Hypocrite. And I'm not even going to go into all the crap he gave Pat all year about selecting Scanlon..... Did McHugh say this in the Star? Don't read it so wouldn't know. Where did his dislike for Kerry come from at all? There's no record at all between Donegal and Kerry. Anyone know the root? There's no comparison either. ;D
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Post by luxrebel on Sept 18, 2007 15:41:26 GMT
Call it cynicism, call it cuteness, call it northern tactics, call it professionalism, call it win at all costs, call it physicality. Call it what you want.
Kerry have perfected winning. You use all the talents available be that creating space for the inside forwards or fouling opposition ball carriers outside the 45m. danger zone. Cleaning up the breaking ball or as Derek Kavanagh says feigning injury to not alone run down the clock but to slow everything down once you have built up a lead or to allow your defenders to retreat and close down the space.
Some of you on here have a persucution complex when these - you could call them 'black arts' of gaelic football are pointed out. Watch the games again that Kerry have played this year. You will see how Kerry go about winning. However, they also have the best players and are the best team.
I hope Cork can learn from Kerry and come back and play as Kerry do, but I don't think it is likely unfortunately.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 18, 2007 15:55:41 GMT
I'd agree with everything there lux, except the feigning injury bit. I've seen the game twice since I got home yesterday and nowhere can I see them feigning injury.
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