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Post by ballynamona on Aug 25, 2015 17:25:14 GMT
I had said before that I felt Colm O'Rourke had his day as an analyst. In fairness that was harsh, I think he is still good. Brolly's act is stale, and some of the comments about Padraig Hughes and Maurice Deegan are beyond the pale. Also of course the nasty remark about Marty Morrissey. RTE should cut him loose. I expect they feel he is 'box-office', but in fact, he's causing people to turn off.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 25, 2015 18:07:34 GMT
Was gong to say it depends on the team but then I realised what Pete McGrath did with the same material. Contrary to what folk down South are led to believe, Harte will be there for as long as he wants; assembling his 3rd team this year ensures that. Canavan on Sky might suggest he'd have an easier path as a pundit and about which Veteran is spot on Sunday proved; I switched over from Brolly to Sky. Tyrone would be wise to keep Mickey Hart for as long as he wants to stay. He is one of the great managers and history shows what happens to counties when these individuals depart - witness Meath after Sean Boylan and ourselves after Micko. (or if you want another code Man U after Ferguson ).
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 25, 2015 18:14:36 GMT
An interesting stat would be the amount of times Martin Carney says 'it must be said' in a game. My guess is, it's more times than David Moran touched the ball against Mayo last year and again..... Not as often as Weeshie says "To tell OOO Da Trooth" though surely?
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Post by norman on Aug 25, 2015 18:55:19 GMT
Colm o Rourke was the voice of reason between those two last sunday. He keeps his head and always has a reasoned viewpoint on matters. I admire his patience with years of Brolly & Spillane and now he has an airhead to put up with.
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Post by kerryman99 on Aug 25, 2015 19:18:29 GMT
Brolly is a total idiot, sometimes he talks a little sense, but his personal attacks on the refs this year and especially his insults about Marty were absolutely disgusting, it reminded me of Andy Gray a few years ago. And he laughing away to himself at the time, not even knowing what he had said. RTE should have fired him on the day but didn't have the guts. I'd be happy if Pat Spillane and Brolly were given P45's to be honest, I don't know what they offer.
Anyway he got what he wanted out of the comments which was to take away from Kerry's win.
Fair play to the Tyrone fans I met before, during and after the game. Great banter with them.
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Post by fitz on Aug 25, 2015 19:22:20 GMT
I had said before that I felt Colm O'Rourke had his day as an analyst. In fairness that was harsh, I think he is still good. Brolly's act is stale, and some of the comments about Padraig Hughes and Maurice Deegan are beyond the pale. Also of course the nasty remark about Marty Morrissey. RTE should cut him loose. I expect they feel he is 'box-office', but in fact, he's causing people to turn off. In fairness (another repeat coming) he has Kerry's back most of the time (rightly or wrongly). He put the water on Brolly's orange from concentrate on Sunday. He highlighted Kerry's last 8 mins and 4 points without response - while Joe was sh!ting on about consenting contracts between two adults.
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Post by augustafield on Aug 25, 2015 19:25:31 GMT
Once upon a time TSG was essential viewing but now it's boring and not likely to send one to bed in a relaxed frame of mind. Controversy it wants to generate and Brolly and Whelan are perfect wind up merchants. As far as Whelan is concerned Kerry should not have beaten Cork or Tyrone - ref to blame in each case - and as for Brolly , his attitude is overbearing and looking for the sensational angle all the time. Somebody should remind him the RTE studio is not a Courtroom. How he is still on the so called ' panel ' is a mystery. His attacks on Marty M. , P.Hughes , Rachael Wyse of Sky and Maurice Deegan are insulting astonishing and unbelievable coming from a man of his education and academic achievements. Whelan wore the same jersey as Tom Carr and Carr's sideline sportsmanship down in Thurles when trying unsuccessfully to distract Maurice Fitzgerald from scoring a vital last minute point against the Dubs tells you all you need to know of his idea of sportsmanship. And those three are the Voice of RTE where GAA football is concerned ! And they being retained by RTE to pontificate on GAA matters is the cause of so much negativity being peddled. In every game there are talking points - that's what makes them enjoyable - but nobody is perfect , be they players , referees or administrators. Somebody should tell Messers Whelan , Brolly and Carr that they ain't perfect either .
Last Sunday's match was a thriller from start to finish and was edge of the seat stuff till BJKs late point. Great credit due to both teams in dreadful conditions . Because of the history between the counties ( note , not the teams ) it would have been understandable if it got out of hand but football was the winner and the attitude of both teams was beyond reproach. Tyrone were good and better will be getting and we continued our habit of finishing strong . Drawn match against Mayo and replay last year saw us put in a strong finish as our replay against Cork this year. Not like our sad ending against the Dubs in 2011 and 2013 ? Maybe we'll get a chance to show Dubs next month - Mayo permitting.
And only Colm O Rourke was to give us any credit last Sunday. Maybe we can develop a siege mentality like Tyrone with all the brickbats being thrown at us. Our subs - each Stars in their own right - more than pulled their weight , with Darren's speed finding space and Fionn Fitzgerald , in my opinion , playing wonderfully well when replacing the maestro Marc. How wonderful that team make us all feel and roll on the 20th when they will hopefully get their just reward.
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Post by glengael on Aug 25, 2015 19:40:24 GMT
Jim McGuinness: Kerry are tough, not nasty but they are tough Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 08:30
Tyrone players will be thinking about Sunday’s semi-final a lot in the months to come. They did so much right in Croke Park on Sunday and had a really good chance to extend their Indian sign over Kerry. But by the end, the balance of power had shifted south.
The quality of Tyrone’s preparation was very evident on Sunday. Not many people felt that Tyrone were going to progress. From very early in the match you could see that Mickey Harte had done a lot of work on Kerry. It was particularly apparent in their defence. In the lead up to the game, I was talking about Colm Cooper, James O’Donoghue and Kieran Donaghy.
That trio was the obvious concern for the Tyrone back line. You have an unbelievable amount of skill in Cooper, height and physicality in Donaghy and then speed and agility in O’Donoghue: they have a bit of everything. Second Captains
Key men: Aidan O’Shea offers Mayo a new attacking dimension while Cian O’Sullivan is Dublin’s designated sweeper. Photograph: InphoJim McGuinness: Five key battlegrounds that will decide Mayo’s fate against Dublin Donegal’s Neil McGee is unable to prevent Mayo’s Aidan O’Shea breaking free to score the opening goal in last Saturday’s All-Ireland Gaelic Football quarter-final in Croke Park. Photograph: James Crombie/InphoJim McGuinness: Hungry Mayo now have new strings to their bow A Fermanagh fan cheers on her team during Sunday’s quarter-final against Dublin in Croke Park. “They were 10 points down with 15 minutes go to and you would think they were the team winning.” Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho.Jim McGuinness: Croke Park drubbings made me fear for the game
But the way Tyrone set up, with a man-to-man system and a sweeper and double-sweeper forced Kerry to play the game on their terms. Everything that came in high they dealt with very well and the sweepers knew exactly what they were doing. It was obvious the team was very well coached. Tyrone did well on the scoreboard in the first half but I felt that their attacks were laboured.
The normal off-the-shoulder support wasn’t there and there were several occasions when the Tyrone players became isolated. Had that support been more aggressive and powerful in the first half, they could have caused more problems. They reminded me of Monaghan against Tyrone in the first half.
What I was struggling to work out was that for the first Kerry kick-out, Tyrone pushed up and won it and were straight through for a goal chance. But from then on, they stepped off and conceded the short kick-out. I could see why they would do it in terms of getting 15 back and making Kerry break them down. A platform
But whenever they did push up in the last 20 minutes of the match, the contest became a 50-50 lottery in terms of possession in the middle and that gave them a platform to attack. On a normal day Johnny Buckley, Anthony Maher and David Moran would present a big fetching threat but because it was so wet, any kind of touch or contact on the arm or shoulder would cause the ball to skate and slip.
And Tyrone come into their own on breaking ball. So I feel that was a significant aspect of the game.
Flip that around to Kerry. On Tyrone’s kick-out, Kerry pushed 12 players up and left only a goalkeeper, a full back and a sweeper back. Opposition kick-outs have been the big new dimension in Gaelic football. It is an area all teams now target. Tyrone opted to concede them. Kerry decided to press Tyrone. In the first half, their goalkeeper Niall Morgan was trying to get the ball out very quickly.
If the short kick-out wasn’t on, they did really well in pulling Maher and Moran to one side of the pitch and they isolated Seán Cavanagh as a go-to option on the other. But that seemed to go out the window once Kerry squeezed up in the second half. There was a 15-minute period when Morgan’s head seemed to go, in many respects. He just ended up kicking the ball out anywhere. Looking on, it didn’t seem as if the Tyrone boys knew where the kick-out was going.
It ended up that Conor Meyler and Tiernan McCann and Mattie Donnelly – Tyrone’s smaller players – contested for aerial ball against bigger Kerry men. And Kerry began to generate the scores that mattered during that stage. That had a knock-on effect for Tyrone at the other end of the field when they needed to convert three long-range frees when the game was up for grabs. It was very tough psychologically for Morgan to go up the field and nail those kicks after having such trouble finding his players with kick-outs.
But after that calamitous period Tyrone just threw the shackles off and ran directly at Kerry. Every time they did so, they seemed to create a scoring chance and they had four good goal chances, which is problematic for Kerry as they prepare for the All-Ireland final. The energy and work rate and structure was there for Tyrone and once they took their running game to Kerry, they came close to winning. Had they been a little more clinical in their shot conversion, they could have won. Flashy scores
But Kerry showed all their patience and composure to prevail. These are traits they have in abundance. Their response to Tyrone’s goal was to engineer four unanswered points that came from good play and good decision-making.
One of those included a string of 24 passes when they were almost toying with Tyrone and drawing them out and then the ball was finally flicked inside for Colm Cooper, resulting in a free and the black card for Ronan McNamee. I didn’t think that it should have been a black card but Kerry’s precise play there was faultless.
In contrast to the McNamee decision, everyone in the stadium knew Shane Enright’s subsequent foul on Peter Harte should have been a black card and how that wasn’t given only one person knows. I also felt Pádraig McNulty’s penalty shout was valid but instead, he was booked for diving. I feel that was a residue from the Tiernan McCann issue in the quarter-final. Whatever about getting the penalty, McNulty would have been booked if that had not been such a talked-about issue. Those were tough calls on Tyrone.
The decision to substitute Donaghy for Paul Geaney swung the game in Kerry’s favour. Kerry have a fantastic squad of players that gives them flexibility but Eamonn Fitzmaurice still has to make these decisions. Kieran Donaghy is the captain and had just kicked a point and the manager took him off.
It was a brave decision. That is when the thing became very fluid and in-the-moment in terms of the coaching. Up to that point, Tyrone absolutely had their homework done on Kerry. But when Geaney came on, it was a different dynamic which filtered through the Kerry attack and it created a situation where all the hours Tyrone had spent studying and practicing for the Donaghy factor no longer applied. Instinctive forwards
They had to play it as they saw it and that suits Kerry because of their surfeit of intelligent, instinctive forwards. And as new players were introduced, the less relevant Tyrone’s original game plan became. It was now a matter of trying to manage a way through the remainder of the match.
In a way, I felt Connor McAliskey’s goal chance was a defining moment. He did so much brilliantly; reading the pass from Paul Murphy and just moving away at speed from the Kerry defenders and taking a good line towards goal. I spoke a few weeks ago here about Mickey Linden’s pass to James McCartan in the 1994 All-Ireland final and this was a replica of that move. In fact, the Kerry minors finished a similar move in their semi-final.
Had the pass been made, it was a certain goal for Darren McCurry. But McAliskey decided to back himself instead of the team and it was a tough lesson for him. It was a tight, cagey first half and it was a game of margins so a goal would have been a massive score in the game. Had Tyrone got a goal and led at the break it would have been hugely significant.
You could sense in Croke Park that the weight of history was sitting very heavily on the Kerry crowd. They were nervous and subdued for a lot of the match and a goal at that stage would have heightened that mood. Particularly after Tyrone scored the penalty, you could feel that hoodoo about the place. The sense that Kerry just couldn’t shake them off was part of the match. Had Tyrone won this, they could have become an even bigger psychological problem for Kerry in future matches. Now that Kerry have beaten Tyrone, all of that vanishes.
It was like a hold that Mickey Harte had on Kerry and it no longer exists. Given the momentum-shift generated by Tyrone’s penalty, the Kerry response was even more impressive. It was then that their self-belief shone through. Huge part
They just have it through the team. In fact, it seems to pass through Kerry teams regardless of who leaves the scene and who comes in. There is a constant stream of players going and coming through.
Their style doesn’t change from minor, under-21 through to senior so they are all thinking the same way anyhow. They never lose a team and have to rebuild from scratch. The replacements are fairly seamless. You could even see that yesterday when the lost a big player in Marc Ó Sé to a black card and just got on with it.
They expect to win. They have a huge number of talented players. Look at their midfield strength and their forward options. Their defenders are ball players. They do not give the ball away easily and make good, simple decisions consistently. This is a huge part of their game. There is toughness in them; it is not nastiness but they are tough.
The only chink in this team is that when players attack them directly, they can look vulnerable. Tyrone did that in the second half and were rewarded with goal chances. Both Mayo and Dublin tend to attack like that naturally so it is an issue for Kerry. They have a month to try and rectify that.
Tyrone lost despite doing a lot of things very well . The decision to concede the kick out might be something they would change in retrospect, particularly given the weather. It was really a battle of mobility against physicality and height and I felt they could have exploited their mobility a bit more. But they were so well coached to win the game and I imagine that Mickey Harte will be happy that they have made significant progression from the opening game against Donegal. It does seem as if their younger players have developed this summer and they will be better players on the back of two tough, big games in Croke Park. They will genuinely feel they are Ulster championship contenders in 2016. They may feel they have edged in front of Monaghan and Donegal now. But Kerry are precisely where they planned to be.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 25, 2015 20:14:30 GMT
Not as often as Weeshie says "To tell OOO Da Trooth" though surely? Or Micko saying "I can assure you..."
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2015 20:15:53 GMT
I don't think Joe 'Small Man Syndrome' Brolly will reappear this year as all Ulster teams are now out.
Sky with McGuinness and Canavan is a better Northern option anyway.
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Post by MeathExile on Aug 25, 2015 20:20:21 GMT
We are indeed enjoying some great times in Kerry. Who would have thought back in winter 2012 that we would lose a semi in 2013 and get to the next 2 finals, as well as the minors getting to 2 also. Back then, everybody including ourselves were looking at several years to re-build, especially after some of the horror show league matches early 2013. All of this shows what a fantastic job has been done...I wonder how much influence Mikey is having here also? Any Stacks members on here who know what he's like on the training pitch & in the dressing room?
In March 2014 I was driving home one evening and happened to tune into one of the more popular sport shows. Our friend Tom C was on. All present in the studio wrote Kerry off at the start of the program completely due to the absence of Gooch and the overall lack of talent in the squad, and continued to talk about the top 4 which included Cork. I wish I had it taped and sent it back in last September. Last Septembers win was truly a remarkable achievement, but overall it is the depth of the squad which is now standing to us.
Back to last Sunday....it was a mirror image of the Donegal AI match - Kerry set up to probe and probe while Killian and Peter kept the house safe further back. Now that we have beaten both Donegal and Tyrone at their own game, I wonder what the 'innovative' teams will try now. I must say, the match was intriguing to watch, but it is not something that our children should be encouraged to play. 14 men behind the ball when you lose possession - may as well swop over to the oval ball instead. I fear for the game in the future if it continues in this vein, and if the so called 'sledging' is allowed to continue unabated. We could learn a lot from rugby in this regard also, where verbal abuse is not tolerated and where opponents are expected and do respect each other.
I agree with an earlier poster re Tyrone - I just wonder how good they could be if they were released and allowed to play more attacking football. Being a slave to a system that prioritises all out defending when you are 3 or 4 points down seems like madness. I wonder what approach P Canavan will take whenever he might eventually get the chance...
Most of the Tyrone supporters were fine on Sunday I found - like most counties there is the odd idiot around, including one from somewhere behind me who tried to pick a fight with me for no reason after the final whistle accusing us of being 'cheating b******s'. I politely declined and really enjoyed my pint afterwards...lol.
What price Tommy Walsh for full back if we play Mayo??
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Post by norman on Aug 25, 2015 20:52:39 GMT
Brolly was smarting after our minors beat his county and then when our seniors beat his beloved system masters at their own game he almost lost it in the studio. As I said earlier he is becoming more n more emotional because no ulster team are winning AI's, he see's Donegal as ulsterlite,to him ulster is 6 counties.
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Post by G_S_J on Aug 25, 2015 21:32:31 GMT
Contrary to what folk down South are led to believe, Harte will be there for as long as he wants; assembling his 3rd team this year ensures that. Canavan on Sky might suggest he'd have an easier path as a pundit and about which Veteran is spot on Sunday proved; I switched over from Brolly to Sky. Tyrone would be wise to keep Mickey Hart for as long as he wants to stay. He is one of the great managers and history shows what happens to counties when these individuals depart - witness Meath after Sean Boylan and ourselves after Micko. (or if you want another code Man U after Ferguson ). It was looking like that the last couple of years, but bar persisting with the short kick outs he got everything spot on and had his side in peak condition. He earned himself another year as least last Sunday. Boylan ran out of talent as did his county and Ferguson got too old to do the job.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 25, 2015 22:03:58 GMT
We are indeed enjoying some great times in Kerry. Who would have thought back in winter 2012 that we would lose a semi in 2013 and get to the next 2 finals, as well as the minors getting to 2 also. Back then, everybody including ourselves were looking at several years to re-build, especially after some of the horror show league matches early 2013. All of this shows what a fantastic job has been done...I wonder how much influence Mikey is having here also? Any Stacks members on here who know what he's like on the training pitch & in the dressing room? In March 2014 I was driving home one evening and happened to tune into one of the more popular sport shows. Our friend Tom C was on. All present in the studio wrote Kerry off at the start of the program completely due to the absence of Gooch and the overall lack of talent in the squad, and continued to talk about the top 4 which included Cork. I wish I had it taped and sent it back in last September. Last Septembers win was truly a remarkable achievement, but overall it is the depth of the squad which is now standing to us. Back to last Sunday....it was a mirror image of the Donegal AI match - Kerry set up to probe and probe while Killian and Peter kept the house safe further back. Now that we have beaten both Donegal and Tyrone at their own game, I wonder what the 'innovative' teams will try now. I must say, the match was intriguing to watch, but it is not something that our children should be encouraged to play. 14 men behind the ball when you lose possession - may as well swop over to the oval ball instead. I fear for the game in the future if it continues in this vein, and if the so called 'sledging' is allowed to continue unabated. We could learn a lot from rugby in this regard also, where verbal abuse is not tolerated and where opponents are expected and do respect each other. I agree with an earlier poster re Tyrone - I just wonder how good they could be if they were released and allowed to play more attacking football. Being a slave to a system that prioritises all out defending when you are 3 or 4 points down seems like madness. I wonder what approach P Canavan will take whenever he might eventually get the chance... Most of the Tyrone supporters were fine on Sunday I found - like most counties there is the odd idiot around, including one from somewhere behind me who tried to pick a fight with me for no reason after the final whistle accusing us of being 'cheating b******s'. I politely declined and really enjoyed my pint afterwards...lol. What price Tommy Walsh for full back if we play Mayo??
1.... few in Kerry gave up much hope in March 2014 2..... do you not think that games such as last sunday that are tight and defensive are engrossing and riveting? 3..... the Dublin lads at work are asking me who i think will win between Dublin or Mayo... I am telling them that Tommy Walsh has been at full back in training for the past month preparing to mark Aiden OShea in the final!! They don't know how to take me
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Post by donegalman on Aug 25, 2015 22:25:20 GMT
The game will evolve again, and again. Squad size has never been more important than it is now.
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 25, 2015 23:00:22 GMT
We are indeed enjoying some great times in Kerry. Who would have thought back in winter 2012 that we would lose a semi in 2013 and get to the next 2 finals, as well as the minors getting to 2 also. Back then, everybody including ourselves were looking at several years to re-build, especially after some of the horror show league matches early 2013. All of this shows what a fantastic job has been done...I wonder how much influence Mikey is having here also? Any Stacks members on here who know what he's like on the training pitch & in the dressing room? In March 2014 I was driving home one evening and happened to tune into one of the more popular sport shows. Our friend Tom C was on. All present in the studio wrote Kerry off at the start of the program completely due to the absence of Gooch and the overall lack of talent in the squad, and continued to talk about the top 4 which included Cork. I wish I had it taped and sent it back in last September. Last Septembers win was truly a remarkable achievement, but overall it is the depth of the squad which is now standing to us. Back to last Sunday....it was a mirror image of the Donegal AI match - Kerry set up to probe and probe while Killian and Peter kept the house safe further back. Now that we have beaten both Donegal and Tyrone at their own game, I wonder what the 'innovative' teams will try now. I must say, the match was intriguing to watch, but it is not something that our children should be encouraged to play. 14 men behind the ball when you lose possession - may as well swop over to the oval ball instead. I fear for the game in the future if it continues in this vein, and if the so called 'sledging' is allowed to continue unabated. We could learn a lot from rugby in this regard also, where verbal abuse is not tolerated and where opponents are expected and do respect each other. I agree with an earlier poster re Tyrone - I just wonder how good they could be if they were released and allowed to play more attacking football. Being a slave to a system that prioritises all out defending when you are 3 or 4 points down seems like madness. I wonder what approach P Canavan will take whenever he might eventually get the chance... Most of the Tyrone supporters were fine on Sunday I found - like most counties there is the odd idiot around, including one from somewhere behind me who tried to pick a fight with me for no reason after the final whistle accusing us of being 'cheating b******s'. I politely declined and really enjoyed my pint afterwards...lol. What price Tommy Walsh for full back if we play Mayo?? I reckon there's a big chance Tommy Walsh could make the team at full back to mark Aidan o Shea. He's not a natural full back but nether is O'Shea a natural full forward
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 25, 2015 23:52:29 GMT
Just had a chance to watch the match back. I'll post about the match later but, I have to say the analysis was diabolical.
I'd say half time and full time coverage must have favoured Tyrone 10:1 . Kerry got no credit and according to joe if Tyrone stuck their goal chances they would have won. You can say that about any game.
Their take on the second penalty was a joke altogether. All totally in agreement it was a definite penalty when the commentators themselves said it was a dive. Firstly Mairice Deegan was 50 yards away. Then when footage showed he was next to the incident it change to " the refs had a meeting to say Tyrone wee divers"
Michael Lyster doesn't seem up to the task of chairing the debate the way Billo used in the soccer. Darragh Maloney is a much better presenter.
Ciara whelan sickens me with his so called analysis. For him to get I his high horse about cynicism is laughable. He was one of the most dirty f**kers to play the game in the last while. Usually facilitated by refs who for some reason seemed to cop out from sending him off.
If anyone has the sky coverage an analysis I would love to see it.
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Post by fitz on Aug 25, 2015 23:53:47 GMT
We are indeed enjoying some great times in Kerry. Who would have thought back in winter 2012 that we would lose a semi in 2013 and get to the next 2 finals, as well as the minors getting to 2 also. Back then, everybody including ourselves were looking at several years to re-build, especially after some of the horror show league matches early 2013. All of this shows what a fantastic job has been done...I wonder how much influence Mikey is having here also? Any Stacks members on here who know what he's like on the training pitch & in the dressing room? In March 2014 I was driving home one evening and happened to tune into one of the more popular sport shows. Our friend Tom C was on. All present in the studio wrote Kerry off at the start of the program completely due to the absence of Gooch and the overall lack of talent in the squad, and continued to talk about the top 4 which included Cork. I wish I had it taped and sent it back in last September. Last Septembers win was truly a remarkable achievement, but overall it is the depth of the squad which is now standing to us. Back to last Sunday....it was a mirror image of the Donegal AI match - Kerry set up to probe and probe while Killian and Peter kept the house safe further back. Now that we have beaten both Donegal and Tyrone at their own game, I wonder what the 'innovative' teams will try now. I must say, the match was intriguing to watch, but it is not something that our children should be encouraged to play. 14 men behind the ball when you lose possession - may as well swop over to the oval ball instead. I fear for the game in the future if it continues in this vein, and if the so called 'sledging' is allowed to continue unabated. We could learn a lot from rugby in this regard also, where verbal abuse is not tolerated and where opponents are expected and do respect each other. I agree with an earlier poster re Tyrone - I just wonder how good they could be if they were released and allowed to play more attacking football. Being a slave to a system that prioritises all out defending when you are 3 or 4 points down seems like madness. I wonder what approach P Canavan will take whenever he might eventually get the chance... Most of the Tyrone supporters were fine on Sunday I found - like most counties there is the odd idiot around, including one from somewhere behind me who tried to pick a fight with me for no reason after the final whistle accusing us of being 'cheating b******s'. I politely declined and really enjoyed my pint afterwards...lol. What price Tommy Walsh for full back if we play Mayo?? I reckon there's a big chance Tommy Walsh could make the team at full back to mark Aidan o Shea. He's not a natural full back but nether is O'Shea a natural full forward I'd be astounded, on the biggest day take that risk? Not a hope imo
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Post by seamo on Aug 25, 2015 23:56:56 GMT
Jesus lads I suggested last October to TRYOUT Tommy Walsh at fullback in McGrath cup and league games etc and I got no support, only grive!!! lol
It's definitely got to be a non-runner at this stage. Eamon hasn't shown much trust in Tommy to date so it's highly unlikely he'll start if even play at all in the final.
AOS is good, but fu£k it we had to face Michael Murphy last year and came out the right side of it....and lets not discount the Dubs just yet!!! haha
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Post by fitz on Aug 26, 2015 0:02:33 GMT
I watched first half in reasonable level of detail, ALL our trouble came from turnovers. For the great McAlliskey chance Lyno slid and picked a ball around CB position only to turn on his back and throw it up in air. There was an intended target but he completely blind sided Meyler I think who picked it up.
We defended quite well once set up correctly but those turnovers were costly and had our shape in disarray. At 0-7 v 0-6 Murph hit a brutal pass on the floor to Gooch, turned over Donnelly equalizes.
Dave coughed up two bad ones and James got bundled over the line twice. Conditions were brutal so allowances to be allowed for perspective.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 26, 2015 1:06:40 GMT
Watching the game again too, we missed as many chances as they did and much of which was due to conditions.
The first penalty wasn't one and neither was the 2nd. Marc's black was harsh as he was in slip slide momentum but ref wouldn't see that, then again it was the linesman who ruled and he should see that. Tyrone are not as good as I first thought and on a dry day we'd have 'em hosed down by HT. The gulf in class is massive and 18 v 12 scores tells the story.
Brolly has now lost the plot on Twitter, he is playing Ulster v The Rest card, he is employed as a objective national pundit, and it's not even his own county who lost. He must call by Specsavers on his way to the shrink to address his Small Man syndrome. I suppose the wee nip and tucker nipper does lack breadth of vision so that's what you're going to get.
And while one must tolerate bias from others who like the champs dethroned, I think the RTE commentators got worse at the end when they felt it slipping away from Tyrone as we took grip at the death. Someone needs to have a word as it is a poor reflection on the game when our shop window is tainted. They made a sow of themselves with the penalty that was given for what they said was a 'stumble' and that they got right.
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Post by norman on Aug 26, 2015 1:37:56 GMT
Brolly is going to jab someone in the eye with his finger one of these days, his latest twitter activity shows up the usual persecution complex that is evident. He is supposed to be impartial and should take a leaf out of Frank McGuigans book who last sunday was graceful & impartial on the SG after what was a painful loss for his county. As I said just watch his body language and you will see the anger.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 26, 2015 1:49:33 GMT
And Whelan scared that Kerry is also now in the Dubs way, ah I can understand that but he was blatant about is so weak.
Ah Carney and Canning are pathetic, there should be a Kerry commentator to balance it.
O'Rourke misjudged the 2nd penalty too when it is now clear the Tyrone bucko had hold of our man's hand and Deegan close by spotted it, look at it on RTE player.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 26, 2015 8:24:03 GMT
Watching the game in real time, especially in the first half, it appeared to me that Deegan let Tyrone away with numerous technical fouls. Watching it back again last night I probably wouldn't be as hard as him, given the conditions he needed to let the game flow as best he could.
The furore over the black/yellow cards - there is too much being made of it. The analysts kept going on about the Shane Enright incident as if it changed the game. The way Shane was playing on Sunday, I don't think losing him with 15 minutes to go would have been fatal, despite Marc already being off the pitch. If Enright had to go off he would have been replaced. If McNabb had gotten the red card he should have, then Tyrone would have been down to 14 with 6 minutes to play. Also, was there a pull down for the first penalty? If he fell to the ground like that over by the sideline around the 45, he would have eventually been called for overcarrying.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 26, 2015 8:45:16 GMT
Watching the game in real time, especially in the first half, it appeared to me that Deegan let Tyrone away with numerous technical fouls. Watching it back again last night I probably wouldn't be as hard as him, given the conditions he needed to let the game flow as best he could. The furore over the black/yellow cards - there is too much being made of it. The analysts kept going on about the Shane Enright incident as if it changed the game. The way Shane was playing on Sunday, I don't think losing him with 15 minutes to go would have been fatal, despite Marc already being off the pitch. If Enright had to go off he would have been replaced. If McNabb had gotten the red card he should have, then Tyrone would have been down to 14 with 6 minutes to play. Also, was there a pull down for the first penalty? If he fell to the ground like that over by the sideline around the 45, he would have eventually been called for overcarrying. Nails on heads, also totally agree regarding the first penalty. The second incident looked like a complete dive in real time, while the first wasn't much better.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 26, 2015 8:49:55 GMT
It is funny how biased different people can be. Watching the match Sunday myself and the person beside me felt the ref didn't give us a thing in the first half! I agree with all the comments on the cards but referees are going to make mistakes.
The second penalty shout... all I can think of is the boy who cried wolf.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 26, 2015 10:03:20 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 26, 2015 10:09:20 GMT
the second one was more of a peno than the first one that was given imo. The first one wasn't a peno at all.
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Post by keane on Aug 26, 2015 10:10:14 GMT
Will you stop. There was very, very little in it and if the guy was being so badly fouled it's borderline miraculous that he was still able to turn around and grab O'Mahoney's jersey before flopping to the ground. The amount of contact allowed all over the pitch during swarm tackling by both teams and yet people somehow think the above constitutes a stone wall penalty. Come on now. The first one was even more innocuous, and the contact between Anthony Maher and the two Tyrone lads in the build up to it (still no free by the way) make the still above look as mild as it plainly is.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 26, 2015 10:14:09 GMT
the second one was more of a peno than the first one that was given imo. The first one wasn't a peno at all. It was more our missed goal chances which cost us the game .. The missed free's and Morgan meltdown didnt help but if we'd converted at least one of those goals then game on ... But at the end of the day ifs & buts dont count and Kerry closed out the game better than we did .. it was a bit like 08 in reverse..
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