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Post by onlykerry on Apr 6, 2016 12:18:16 GMT
If 12 have AI minor medals it means only 3 of the starters are in last year of this grade!!
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Post by buck02 on Apr 6, 2016 12:59:42 GMT
If 12 have AI minor medals it means only 3 of the starters are in last year of this grade!! It would if they weren't changing it to Under 20.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 6, 2016 13:03:53 GMT
If 12 have AI minor medals it means only 3 of the starters are in last year of this grade!! It would if they weren't changing it to Under 20. Change of age from U21 to U20 applies from 2018 - therefore the 12 are eligible again next year.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 6, 2016 13:22:09 GMT
Maybe someone could explain to me how this burnout saving exercise works? Is it ok to burn them out as u20's but not as u21s?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 13:29:34 GMT
12 of the team are underage in 2017 and 5 subs. Then you add Shane Ryan, Liam Kearney, and Liam Carey. Brandon Barrett,James Duggan, Darren Brosnan, Brian Rayle, Brian Sugrue, Michael O’Donnell, and Jack Morgan all under in 2017.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 6, 2016 13:57:37 GMT
If 12 have AI minor medals it means only 3 of the starters are in last year of this grade!! Not necessarily, there could be lads who didn't make the minors in 2014 who have since developed into intercounty u21 players e.g. Tom O'Sullivan didn't make minors in '96 but won u21 All-Ireland in '98 when he was only 19.
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Post by Premier on Apr 6, 2016 14:20:42 GMT
If 12 have AI minor medals it means only 3 of the starters are in last year of this grade!! Not necessarily, there could be lads who didn't make the minors in 2014 who have since developed into intercounty u21 players e.g. Tom O'Sullivan didn't make minors in '96 but won u21 All-Ireland in '98 when he was only 19. That could be argued, but the fact is the 3 who don't have all-Ireland medals are in their last year
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Post by buck02 on Apr 6, 2016 14:54:28 GMT
It would if they weren't changing it to Under 20. Change of age from U21 to U20 applies from 2018 - therefore the 12 are eligible again next year. Thanks for clearing that up. So the minor changing to U17 in 2018 too is it?
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 6, 2016 14:58:35 GMT
Change of age from U21 to U20 applies from 2018 - therefore the 12 are eligible again next year. Thanks for clearing that up. So the minor changing to U17 in 2018 too is it? Yeah main benefit will be for 21 year old elite players. They'll no longer have u21 club, u21 divisional and u21 county, just sigerson, senior club and possibly senior intercounty.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 6, 2016 15:35:03 GMT
Not necessarily, there could be lads who didn't make the minors in 2014 who have since developed into intercounty u21 players e.g. Tom O'Sullivan didn't make minors in '96 but won u21 All-Ireland in '98 when he was only 19. That could be argued, but the fact is the 3 who don't have all-Ireland medals are in their last year Who are the others besides Savage?
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 6, 2016 15:55:52 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up. So the minor changing to U17 in 2018 too is it? Yeah main benefit will be for 21 year old elite players. They'll no longer have u21 club, u21 divisional and u21 county, just sigerson, senior club and possibly senior intercounty. Hasn't club u21 remained intact, as with club u18. The "elite, minority, county u21 players" will still be required to line out and carry the standard bog roll club player in local championship games. At the moment no elite county u21 player is playing colleges football, probably not county senior either and certainly not club/district u21 games.
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Post by Premier on Apr 6, 2016 19:42:28 GMT
That could be argued, but the fact is the 3 who don't have all-Ireland medals are in their last year Who are the others besides Savage? Eanna O'Connor and Dara Roche
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 6, 2016 20:12:12 GMT
Hasn't club u21 remained intact, as with club u18 No it is expected that all club minor games will move to U17 and the club u21 will become U20.The reason that could not be changed at congress is because its up to each county to set their own age groups. It will probably effect all age groups below as u16's will become u15's, U14's will change to u13's and so on. There is no point in having a u18 club championship when a huge proportion of the players in it will be ineligible for the county team at that grade
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Post by kickitlong on Apr 6, 2016 20:50:09 GMT
Kerry or Cork will play Monaghan in the semi final
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 6, 2016 22:00:43 GMT
Surprising call all right re Tony Brosnan. I have to disagree, he got the goal alright against Limerick but generally he was very wasteful in possession. Kicking short/wide and into keepers hands a lot. Jack Savage was winning 20/80 ball whereas Tony B was beaten in most 50/50 or even 60/40 in his favour. A tough stick to beat him with comparing him with the talisman but I would have feared he would have been gobbled up by Cork. I would agree with kot re Tony Brosnan. Tony is a magician when he is on the ball and reminds me of Gooch with his trickery, however winning 50/50 ball has never been a strong point of his. Darragh Roche is a good ball winner and maybe that is why Jack has chosen to pick him with it likely to be a tight game. Tony has not had his best days out in the last two games and perhaps it is time for a change of personnel. He is someone who could change the game in the blink of an eye when introduced. I'm sure Jack the lads starting who are returning from injury have been fully assessed and to be fair we cannot question Jack in his calls....he gets it right the vast majority of the time.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2016 22:16:21 GMT
Monaghan 0-13 Tyrone 0-11
Monaghan won their first Ulster U21 Football title since 1999 with a 0-13 to 0-11 win over All-Ireland champions Tyrone at the Athletic Grounds.
Five Lee Brennan points helped Tyrone to a 0-7 to 0-6 interval lead, with Barry McGinn hitting three Monaghan scores.
But the Farney men displayed hunger and courage, with Conor McCarthy and McGinn hitting the scores that carried them to victory.
In front of a crowd of 4,332, Monaghan goalkeeper Conor Forde came to his side's rescue early on with a brilliant double save from Sean Fox, whose second effort from the rebound was pushed away thanks to the razor-sharp reflexes of the Scotstown man.
Tyrone got men back quickly to establish a strong defensive cordon, forcing their opponents to shoot from distance, but Fearghal McMahon made one of those efforts count with a fine point to bring his side level in the ninth minute.
Cathal McShane and Lee Brennan slotted over points to ease the Red Hands into a 0-3 to 0-2 lead by the 13th minute, but the holders were struggling to secure possession from their own kick-outs and they were punished by Barry McGinn and Conor McCarthy, who shot two points in the space of 30 seconds.
But Brennan set the game alight with two wonderful scores, one of them sliced over from a sideline ball to nudge Tyrone back in front.
Breaking with pace from deep, Tyrone went two clear with another Brennan special, but the strong running of McMahon and McGinn began to put the All-Ireland champions under pressure with Aaron Lynch and Niall Loughman emerging at midfield.
McGinn landed another free to make it 0-6 each with five minutes of the half to play, but Monaghan suffered a blow when they lost one of their key defenders, captain Kevin Loughran received a black card.
Brennan’s fifth sent Tyrone in with a 0-7 to 0-6 lead, but their opponents hit a crucial spell of productivity in the opening stages of the second half, hitting three points in as many minutes to take a lead they never lost.
Monaghan's Ryan McAnespie with Tyrone's Sean Fox
Monaghan’s controlled intensity helped them frustrate the champions time and again, with Mikey Murnaghan, Dessie Ward and James Mealiff performing heroically at the back.
Turnovers, tackles and interceptions saw them emerge time and again with possession, which they turned into scores, for McCarthy and corner back Barry Kerr, who opened out a three-point lead.
Tyrone pressed desperately in the closing stages, pulling back scores through McShane and David Mulgrew, and just a point separated the sides deep into stoppage time when substitute Adam Treanor shot the insurance score.
Tyrone: S Fox, C McCann (0-01), M McKernan, S Hamill (0-01), C Byrne, F Burns, M O’Neill, C McShane (0-2, 1f), S Loughran, M Flanagan, M Kavanagh (0-01), D Mulgrew (0-01), L Brennan (0-05, 3f), R Coleman, S Fox.
Subs: D Gallagher for Coleman (h-t), S O’Donnell for McCann (39), R McGlone for O’Neill, B McDonnell for Flanagan, P McGirr for Byrne (60)
Monaghan: C Forde, B Kerr (0-01), M Murnaghan, K Loughran, D Ward, J Mealiff, N Rooney, N Loughman, A Lynch (0-01), R McAnespie, B McGinn (0-06, 5f), D Meegan, M O’Dowd, C McCarthy (0-03, 1f), F McMahon (0-01).
Subs: A Curran for Loughran (BC, 27), F Maguire for O’Dowd, B McBennett for McMahon, A Treanor (0-01) for Lynch (60)
Referee: N Cullen (Fermanagh).
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2016 22:19:42 GMT
Mayo beat Tyrone in the 2013 minor final
Tyrone are gone now. Mayo got a last minute goal to win Connacht
One of the stars of Mayo's minor triumph in 2013 was Darragh Doherty of Kilmaine. He was killed in a car accident in 2015. Terribly sad. He was a great prospect.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 6, 2016 22:47:33 GMT
Hasn't club u21 remained intact, as with club u18 No it is expected that all club minor games will move to U17 and the club u21 will become U20.The reason that could not be changed at congress is because its up to each county to set their own age groups. It will probably effect all age groups below as u16's will become u15's, U14's will change to u13's and so on. There is no point in having a u18 club championship when a huge proportion of the players in it will be ineligible for the county team at that grade Cheers.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 7, 2016 9:14:12 GMT
Mayo beat Tyrone in the 2013 minor final Tyrone are gone now. Mayo got a last minute goal to win Connacht One of the stars of Mayo's minor triumph in 2013 was Darragh Doherty of Kilmaine. He was killed in a car accident in 2015. Terribly sad. He was a great prospect. Was it 2013 that Tyrone beat Kerry in the minor 1/4 final, the game that went to extra time when Tyrone were down to 13 men?
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Post by Premier on Apr 7, 2016 9:20:15 GMT
Mayo beat Tyrone in the 2013 minor final Tyrone are gone now. Mayo got a last minute goal to win Connacht One of the stars of Mayo's minor triumph in 2013 was Darragh Doherty of Kilmaine. He was killed in a car accident in 2015. Terribly sad. He was a great prospect. Was it 2013 that Tyrone beat Kerry in the minor 1/4 final, the game that went to extra time when Tyrone were down to 13 men? Don't remember Tyrone being down to 13 men
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 7, 2016 10:03:31 GMT
Report from the Irish Times newspaper (2013) Tyrone’s stubborn refusal to accept defeat earned them a sensational extra-time win in yesterday’s All-Ireland MFC semi-final at Croke Park. They were trailing by a point and down to 13 men in stoppage time, but Stephen McGrath’s leveller earned them a reprieve, and they got the better of a wasteful Kerry side in the extended 20 minutes.
But as we see from last night - three years ago is history and says little about the current prospoects.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 7, 2016 10:04:52 GMT
Kerry team on that day was KERRY: S Ryan; F Clifford, C Ó Luing, P O Conchuir; M Flaherty, D Foran, S Dillon; G Horan, C Jordan; M Burns, J Savage (1-8, seven frees), E Ó Conchuir; C Keane (0-2), S O’Connor, K Spillane (0-1). Subs: K Murphy (0-1) for E Ó Conchuir, T Ó Se for O’Connor, K Shanahan for Jordan, T Brosnan for Spillane, T O’Sullivan for Burns.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 7, 2016 10:12:58 GMT
Best of luck to the U21s tonight. Hopefully the weather improves by the time throw-in comes around. This really is a hard one to call.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 7, 2016 10:32:25 GMT
That Tyrone minor team were one of the most atrociously dirty and cynical underage teams I have seen.
I can remember an article, by maybe Keith Duggan but not sure, criticising their display that day. I probably haven't left a Kerry game at any level as disenchanted with the game
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Post by Premier on Apr 7, 2016 10:33:29 GMT
Kerry team on that day was KERRY: S Ryan; F Clifford, C Ó Luing, P O Conchuir; M Flaherty, D Foran, S Dillon; G Horan, C Jordan; M Burns, J Savage (1-8, seven frees), E Ó Conchuir; C Keane (0-2), S O’Connor, K Spillane (0-1). Subs: K Murphy (0-1) for E Ó Conchuir, T Ó Se for O’Connor, K Shanahan for Jordan, T Brosnan for Spillane, T O’Sullivan for Burns. Of the team that started 9 are still involved in match day panel with 5 starting
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 7, 2016 10:48:39 GMT
Report from the Irish Times newspaper (2013) Tyrone’s stubborn refusal to accept defeat earned them a sensational extra-time win in yesterday’s All-Ireland MFC semi-final at Croke Park. They were trailing by a point and down to 13 men in stoppage time, but Stephen McGrath’s leveller earned them a reprieve, and they got the better of a wasteful Kerry side in the extended 20 minutes. But as we see from last night - three years ago is history and says little about the current prospoects. Although Mickey Ned came within a whisker of getting to a minor final, the question is relevant, would Jack O'Connor have got them over the line in 2013 as the first leg of a three in a row?
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Post by buck02 on Apr 7, 2016 11:19:07 GMT
Report from the Irish Times newspaper (2013) Tyrone’s stubborn refusal to accept defeat earned them a sensational extra-time win in yesterday’s All-Ireland MFC semi-final at Croke Park. They were trailing by a point and down to 13 men in stoppage time, but Stephen McGrath’s leveller earned them a reprieve, and they got the better of a wasteful Kerry side in the extended 20 minutes. But as we see from last night - three years ago is history and says little about the current prospoects. Although Mickey Ned came within a whisker of getting to a minor final, the question is relevant, would Jack O'Connor have got them over the line in 2013 as the first leg of a three in a row? I'm not going to name names but the incidents which led to Tyrones last two points in normal time that day would not have happened if Jack was in charge. The team would have been far more clinical than they were. Hindsight eh?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 7, 2016 11:23:34 GMT
Although Mickey Ned came within a whisker of getting to a minor final, the question is relevant, would Jack O'Connor have got them over the line in 2013 as the first leg of a three in a row? I'm not going to name names but the incidents which led to Tyrones last two points in normal time that day would not have happened if Jack was in charge. The team would have been far more clinical than they were. Hindsight eh? I agree- the naivity with which the team was set up under MNOS was startling
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Post by homerj on Apr 7, 2016 11:45:30 GMT
Big night for young Jason Foley marking a Cork senior. Still, Jason has been found wanting so far in his Kerry career. exactly, he is only 18 too! cant wait to see how he gets on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 12:11:48 GMT
Good Luck to the U21s tonight hopefully we can finally beat Cork.
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