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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 22, 2015 8:43:22 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 22, 2015 9:04:18 GMT
The ‘if only the referee hadn’t given that penalty’ mentality can fester — the ‘poor us’ mindset is not a winning one. If that lingers in the head, it can give you doubts and makes you question yourself. People of Mayo take note. Also, in an ideal world, I would love for us to stop complaining about referees too.
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Post by Chinatown on Jul 22, 2015 9:23:14 GMT
The ‘if only the referee hadn’t given that penalty’ mentality can fester — the ‘poor us’ mindset is not a winning one. If that lingers in the head, it can give you doubts and makes you question yourself. People of Mayo take note. Also, in an ideal world, I would love for us to stop complaining about referees too. Don't let it fester
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Post by kerryman99 on Jul 22, 2015 9:45:29 GMT
Listening to a few podcasts and radio discussions I picked up on 2 interesting things:
Oisin McConville reckons Eamonn was trying not to show the full hand in the first Cork game, by going man to man. I agree because I can't see any other reason for it. It's not something we are going to do in any game going forward.
Tomás Quinn reckons we might drop Star for Cooper in the quarter final and revert to a less direct game with Cooper popping it in to Geaney/BJ/Donaghue. I think this holds merit also, we have become a little predictable with the long ball in. Having both styles practiced will serve us well if we make a semi or final, when we could maybe spring a surprise with selection.
Critisism of Donnacha I don't understand, maybe the highlights don't do justice to what he gives the team, but I can't understand the logic whatsoever.
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Post by keane on Jul 22, 2015 10:33:01 GMT
Which podcast is Mossy Quinn on?
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Post by kerryman99 on Jul 22, 2015 10:48:18 GMT
Which podcast is Mossy Quinn on? Was on Newstalk on Monday night, about 20:30 I think.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jul 22, 2015 11:13:21 GMT
Listening to a few podcasts and radio discussions I picked up on 2 interesting things: Oisin McConville reckons Eamonn was trying not to show the full hand in the first Cork game, by going man to man. I agree because I can't see any other reason for it. It's not something we are going to do in any game going forward. Tomás Quinn reckons we might drop Star for Cooper in the quarter final and revert to a less direct game with Cooper popping it in to Geaney/BJ/Donaghue. I think this holds merit also, we have become a little predictable with the long ball in. Having both styles practiced will serve us well if we make a semi or final, when we could maybe spring a surprise with selection. Critisism of Donnacha I don't understand, maybe the highlights don't do justice to what he gives the team, but I can't understand the logic whatsoever. I didn't hear these but I would agree with both points. TW should see game time in the QF also. I remember leaving Croke Park after we had snatched a draw and apart from relief I felt that it was a pity that we had played Star to save the day. I had a feeling that the plan was to sspring a surprise in the final and give Dublin/Donegal something they were not expecting in the final, but needs must.
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 22, 2015 11:29:18 GMT
Kerry V Cork replay. I say fair dues to the Kerry full back line but they have a big worry with Kealy in goal. Most times when he goes to hick out the ball they can expect him to have some type of miss kick, be it over the side-line or screwing it along the ground. It is very hard for a full back line to always play so well again when there cannot be confidence in their keeper in doing the basics. I thought Kelly was better and there is always Ryan from Rathmore. Next to Killian Young. Simple message, DO NOT show your weak points. If you cannot solo, do not solo and stop bringing the ball into the tackle. He is a very good player but .... Johnny Buckley. Don't think he has the speed for the wing and of course he cannot tackle or disposes a player. Bryan Sheehan must play because of his free taking ability. Donnacha Walsh does not impress me. I thought his effort to score a goal from Colm Cooper's free kick was poor. Luckily it fell to the vigilant Paul Geaney. Some contributors want Barry John Keane on the starting team. I don't think that he is a team player in that he does not appear to follow team tactics. But he is a very good impact sub. Players not mentioned, some players played well and at least 6 played very well. Two ridiculous incidents were (1) Cian O'Neill appearing to tell Colm Cooper what to do when he was about to come on as a sub. I think at this stage Colm knows more than most what to do on the field. (2) The second item was Man Of The Match. The 2 bad foot passes alone should have ruled him out. Is there something incorrect in the coaching in Dr Crokes set-up. There must be very little defending coaching done in that it appears that Fitzgerald, Buckley and O'Leary are incapable to either tackle or disposes an opponent with the ball. I suppose we cannot complain as Crokes gave us Colm Cooper - the most skilful player playing Gaelic football. Donnchadh Walsh is a must starter and rarely fails to perform for us. Kieran O'Leary is actually a very good tackler and your statement in this regard highlights how little County Championship fixtures you have attended. Kieran O Leary is regularly on top of the list in the tackling count for club and consistently forces turnovers. Johnny Buckley has for years been brilliant at dispossessing opponents, however in the last 18 months he has got far more physical and aggressive in his tackling and he will need to address it. It is seriously affecting his ability to put his stamp on the game earning early yellow cards. One other thing is that there is nothing wrong with the coaching system in Dr Crokes. Since these lads have broken into the Crokes senior side they have been coached by Pat O Shea, John Galvin, Donie Buckley, Pat Flanagan and Peadar Healy to name a few. Now Pat would be more renowned as a forward coach but also an extremely competent defensive coach. John Galvin did many of our defensive drills with the Kerry minors last year and is also extremely good defensively. Donie Buckley is recognised as one of the best defensive coaches in the game, nationally. So this comment IMO is outrageous
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 22, 2015 11:31:01 GMT
Kerry V Cork replay. I say fair dues to the Kerry full back line but they have a big worry with Kealy in goal. Most times when he goes to hick out the ball they can expect him to have some type of miss kick, be it over the side-line or screwing it along the ground. It is very hard for a full back line to always play so well again when there cannot be confidence in their keeper in doing the basics. I thought Kelly was better and there is always Ryan from Rathmore. Next to Killian Young. Simple message, DO NOT show your weak points. If you cannot solo, do not solo and stop bringing the ball into the tackle. He is a very good player but .... Johnny Buckley. Don't think he has the speed for the wing and of course he cannot tackle or disposes a player. Bryan Sheehan must play because of his free taking ability. Donnacha Walsh does not impress me. I thought his effort to score a goal from Colm Cooper's free kick was poor. Luckily it fell to the vigilant Paul Geaney. Some contributors want Barry John Keane on the starting team. I don't think that he is a team player in that he does not appear to follow team tactics. But he is a very good impact sub. Players not mentioned, some players played well and at least 6 played very well. Two ridiculous incidents were (1) Cian O'Neill appearing to tell Colm Cooper what to do when he was about to come on as a sub. I think at this stage Colm knows more than most what to do on the field. (2) The second item was Man Of The Match. The 2 bad foot passes alone should have ruled him out. Is there something incorrect in the coaching in Dr Crokes set-up. There must be very little defending coaching done in that it appears that Fitzgerald, Buckley and O'Leary are incapable to either tackle or disposes an opponent with the ball. I suppose we cannot complain as Crokes gave us Colm Cooper - the most skilful player playing Gaelic football. Donnchadh Walsh is a must starter and rarely fails to perform for us. Kieran O'Leary is actually a very good tackler and your statement in this regard highlights how little County Championship fixtures you have attended. Kieran O Leary is regularly on top of the list in the tackling count for club and consistently forces turnovers. Johnny Buckley has for years been brilliant at dispossessing opponents, however in the last 18 months he has got far more physical and aggressive in his tackling and he will need to address it. It is seriously affecting his ability to put his stamp on the game earning early yellow cards. One other thing is that there is nothing wrong with the coaching system in Dr Crokes. Since these lads have broken into the Crokes senior side they have been coached by Pat O Shea, John Galvin, Donie Buckley, Pat Flanagan and Peadar Healy to name a few. Now Pat would be more renowned as a forward coach but also an extremely competent defensive coach. John Galvin did many of our defensive drills with the Kerry minors last year and is also extremely good defensively. Donie Buckley is recognised as one of the best defensive coaches in the game, nationally. When you also factor in that these lads have been in with Kerry for quite a few years at this stage so this comment IMO is outrageous
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 22, 2015 13:13:40 GMT
If you don't see the quality of Donnchadh Walsh and the importance of him in the side, then you're missing a lot of what goes on in a game IMHO. Listening to a few podcasts and radio discussions I picked up on 2 interesting things: Oisin McConville reckons Eamonn was trying not to show the full hand in the first Cork game, by going man to man. I agree because I can't see any other reason for it. It's not something we are going to do in any game going forward. Thought McConville's comments on both Jimmy McGuinness and Fitzmaurice were a bit off. First he says with almost flippancy that there's 'bad blood' between Rory Gallagher and McGuinness. The only bit of evidence he used to back up that pretty big statement was that in McGuinness's articles he has yet to name check Gallagher. It's something I noticed as well, but assumed it was merely to stop a situation where he was publicly scrutinising his successor, something that would not be in Donegals, best interest. McConville went further and said 'there is clearly bad blood'. Cleary? Not sure about that. On Fitzmaurice, Id be very worried if he underestimated Cork to such an extent that he thought the team would cruise through without showing their hand. They beat us by 11 points in the league.
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Post by ballynamona on Jul 22, 2015 14:18:36 GMT
I would say it was more that Fitzmaurice gambled we could beat Cork by playing man-to-man, not that he assumed we could win no matter what.
Before the Mayo game last year I heard that Donaghy was going brilliantly in training, and the reason he had not got on v Galway was so as not to reveal a hand. The media narrative is that Fitzmaurice turned to him in pure desperation v Mayo, but that was not the case.
Even if Donaghy does start, it does not follow that we have to go route 1 all the time. At the moment we are easy to read based on the personnel.
The captaincy thing is a potentially thorny issue if Donaghy is dropped.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 22, 2015 14:42:34 GMT
www.killarneytoday.com/unsung-hero-with-the-strongest-voice-in-the-hall-of-fame/Despite being repeatedly snubbed by the All-Stars selection committee, Donnchadh Walsh has more than earned his place in the Kerry GAA hall of fame, suggests John O’Mahony IT could well be a table quiz question for future generations to ponder: Who, up to 2015, was the best Kerry player never to have won an All-Star award? There’s only one correct answer. So stand up and take a bow those who said Donnchadh Walsh. For all the craft and genius of Cooper and O’Donoghue, the ability of Moran and Maher to compete with the crows and the swashbuckling exploits of Young and Donaghy, the all-action Cromane man has been the real constant that has elevated his county to lofty heights. Amid the excitement of the drawn decider and Saturday’s rain-lashed replay in Killarney, the crucial role again played by the wholehearted Walsh might have slipped under the radar. He ran with the enthusiasm and abandon of a player half his age. He tackled with the ferocity and commitment of a man twice his size. He battled for every breaking ball, he set up Kerry attacks, broke up Cork offensives, popped over a timely score and provided the essential link between backs and forwards that every team so desperately needs. There is no getting away from the fact that Donnchadh Walsh is one of the greatest unsung heroes of his or any generation. Now 31 years of age and in the autumn of a truly remarkable playing career, he has been one of the first names pencilled into team sheets by every manager, club or county, at any age group, since he first mastered the art of lacing his boots. Ask any Kerry player over the past decade and more who has been their most influential team-mate and the initials DW are likely to figure very prominently – if not every time. With three Celtic crosses in his back pocket, four Munster Championship medals tucked away for safe keeping and one national league win to his name, not to mention underage and club accolades, Walsh has been well decorated for his exploits. But, quite bizarrely, despite years of consistently outstanding league and championship performances, he has always been overlooked by the All-Star selection committee. That says more about those charged with the responsibility of picking the best players in the best positions in any given season but the error of their ways will come as no surprise given some of the wild deliberations made over the years which were comical and ridiculous in equal measures. It’s hard to believe that 12 long years have passed since the day Cromane’s greatest ever player first slipped the green and gold senior jersey over his slight frame for a league game against Dublin in 2003. After a few seasons on the fringes and on the bench, the number 12 jersey has become his own since 2008, with over 40 championship appearances to his credit. Chances are, before this year’s All-Ireland series draws to its conclusion, Donnchadh Walsh will have dipped into his quiver full of footballing arrows to leave left stamp on proceedings once again. But you won’t see his name up in lights. And you are unlikely to see him donning the tux and bow tie on All-Stars night. In years to come, however, when the list of true Kerry greats is being compiled by the sporting historians, Donnchadh Walsh is likely to be one of the first names pencilled in. Just as it always has been.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 22, 2015 14:49:20 GMT
How could he have only four Munster medals?
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 22, 2015 14:53:33 GMT
How could he have only four Munster medals? He has 5 now since last Saturday; 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 22, 2015 15:10:06 GMT
If you don't see the quality of Donnchadh Walsh and the importance of him in the side, then you're missing a lot of what goes on in a game IMHO. Listening to a few podcasts and radio discussions I picked up on 2 interesting things: Oisin McConville reckons Eamonn was trying not to show the full hand in the first Cork game, by going man to man. I agree because I can't see any other reason for it. It's not something we are going to do in any game going forward. Thought McConville's comments on both Jimmy McGuinness and Fitzmaurice were a bit off. First he says with almost flippancy that there's 'bad blood' between Rory Gallagher and McGuinness. The only bit of evidence he used to back up that pretty big statement was that in McGuinness's articles he has yet to name check Gallagher. It's something I noticed as well, but assumed it was merely to stop a situation where he was publicly scrutinising his successor, something that would not be in Donegals, best interest. McConville went further and said 'there is clearly bad blood'. Cleary? Not sure about that. On Fitzmaurice, Id be very worried if he underestimated Cork to such an extent that he thought the team would cruise through without showing their hand. They beat us by 11 points in the league. There might be something in it, his decision to leave the set up last year was strange.
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Post by kot on Jul 22, 2015 15:14:17 GMT
Jesus the DW criticism is quite baffling for the last day. He did look a bit leggy on the first day out but should have been put in for a goal and picked off a nice point. He was tireless in truly dreadful conditions on Saturday and put in an amount of work. Totally bemusing!
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Post by agoalisworth3pts on Jul 22, 2015 15:54:39 GMT
Kerry V Cork replay. I say fair dues to the Kerry full back line but they have a big worry with Kealy in goal. Most times when he goes to hick out the ball they can expect him to have some type of miss kick, be it over the side-line or screwing it along the ground. It is very hard for a full back line to always play so well again when there cannot be confidence in their keeper in doing the basics. I thought Kelly was better and there is always Ryan from Rathmore. Next to Killian Young. Simple message, DO NOT show your weak points. If you cannot solo, do not solo and stop bringing the ball into the tackle. He is a very good player but .... Johnny Buckley. Don't think he has the speed for the wing and of course he cannot tackle or disposes a player. Bryan Sheehan must play because of his free taking ability. Donnacha Walsh does not impress me. I thought his effort to score a goal from Colm Cooper's free kick was poor. Luckily it fell to the vigilant Paul Geaney. Some contributors want Barry John Keane on the starting team. I don't think that he is a team player in that he does not appear to follow team tactics. But he is a very good impact sub. Players not mentioned, some players played well and at least 6 played very well. Two ridiculous incidents were (1) Cian O'Neill appearing to tell Colm Cooper what to do when he was about to come on as a sub. I think at this stage Colm knows more than most what to do on the field. (2) The second item was Man Of The Match. The 2 bad foot passes alone should have ruled him out. Is there something incorrect in the coaching in Dr Crokes set-up. There must be very little defending coaching done in that it appears that Fitzgerald, Buckley and O'Leary are incapable to either tackle or disposes an opponent with the ball. I suppose we cannot complain as Crokes gave us Colm Cooper - the most skilful player playing Gaelic football. were we watching the same game? Donnchadh Walsh was the impressive workhouse he always was and is a vital cog in kerrys success and kealy has a excellent game blameless for the goal and made a game changing save will a goal would have put cork 3 up just before half time and kick outs were also impressive and buckley while not been playing up to his own standards was unlucky to be taking off so early think hes previous games form came against him bar one bad choice sat night was not actually playing too bad and tackling well
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Post by agoalisworth3pts on Jul 22, 2015 15:57:03 GMT
Jesus the DW criticism is quite baffling for the last day. He did look a bit leggy on the first day out but should have been put in for a goal and picked off a nice point. He was tireless in truly dreadful conditions on Saturday and put in an amount of work. Totally bemusing! iv seen alot of outrageous stuff on this forum last few years but ppl criticizing Donnchadh Walsh on sat night or any night over last 4/5 years is mind blowing think the rain got to peoples rationale!
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Post by jackiel on Jul 22, 2015 16:16:06 GMT
I too am gobsmacked with the lack of respect for Donnchadh, to my mind he is one of our finest players and has been for some time. His is not the glamorous, glory filled role, he gets in there and gets the job done, he makes things happen for other marquee players. He has boundless energy and seems to cover massive amounts of ground every match. I'd love to see the stats from a GPS gadget he'd worn. He has the heart of a lion and is sorely missed when not playing. I don't get to see Kerry club matches due to where I live so cannot judge him on that. There really is no pleasing some people.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 22, 2015 16:23:02 GMT
In fairness only one poster posted an opinion. There hasn't been an avalanche of discontent directed towards Donacha.
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Post by kot on Jul 22, 2015 16:42:11 GMT
In fairness only one poster posted an opinion. There hasn't been an avalanche of discontent directed towards Donacha. No more than the westboro baptist church minister. . . it may only be one, but it was so bloody outlandish!
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 22, 2015 18:41:21 GMT
Its only an opinion folks. They didnt shoot anyone. Lets not get too excited. I personally would have DW as one of the first names on my teamsheet, but not everyone has to agree with that.
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Post by fitz on Jul 22, 2015 19:34:15 GMT
Its only an opinion folks. They didnt shoot anyone. Lets not get too excited. I personally would have DW as one of the first names on my teamsheet, but not everyone has to agree with that. Nah Sully - everyone except Brigid agrees with that
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Post by gbbuei on Jul 22, 2015 22:42:39 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 26, 2015 14:29:15 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 26, 2015 22:28:05 GMT
Brolly was banging on about the penalty in the Kerry -Cork game again tonight.
I have to say that my initial reaction (the only one that matters given that the ref had to go on his initial reaction) is that it was a penalty.
There was enough time left for Kerry to save the game even if the peno wasnt awarded.
Cork had a 45 to go two up at the death and they fluffed it. Alan OConnor had possession near the end on the Kerry 45 line and decided to elbow DW in the face thereby gave away possession. Cork didn't know how to beat Kerry. They didn't believe they could.
Brolly can be 100% right on some things but if he thinks that the peno cost Cork that game he is off the mark.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 26, 2015 22:34:18 GMT
Brolly was banging on about the penalty in the Kerry -Cork game again tonight. I have to say that my initial reaction (the only one that matters given that the ref had to go on his initial reaction) is that it was a penalty. There was enough time left for Kerry to save the game even if the peno wasnt awarded. Cork had a 45 to go two up at the death and they fluffed it. Alan OConnor had possession near the end on the Kerry 45 line and decided to elbow DW in the face thereby gave away possession. Cork didn't know how to beat Kerry. They didn't believe they could. Brolly can be 100% right on some things but if he thinks that the peno cost Cork that game he is off the mark. I was just thinking the same thing MM. There must have been about 20 minutes left when Kerry got the penalty. Cork got a goal themselves afterwards and they had two chances to go 2 clear in injury time including the 45. Anyone would think the peno was the last kick of the game.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jul 27, 2015 7:21:43 GMT
It's the accepted narrative now Cork had Kerry beaten only for the penalty. Kerry seem to be getting blamed for this along with Paudie Hughes, picardia and all that. Given the fact that Cork subsequently proved to be so brittle, I would question if they would have held out. The fact that they only kicked two points in the second half of the reply is telling.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 27, 2015 8:17:05 GMT
Cahill continues to indulge Curry McStay and loose cannon Brolly, a pitiful anchor man in the chair.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 27, 2015 9:51:05 GMT
It's the accepted narrative now Cork had Kerry beaten only for the penalty. Kerry seem to be getting blamed for this along with Paudie Hughes, picardia and all that. Given the fact that Cork subsequently proved to be so brittle, I would question if they would have held out. The fact that they only kicked two points in the second half of the reply is telling. Let Cork (and other) folk keep thinking that, meanwhile Kerry have added another Munster title to the history books and motor on to the serious business. It's just another in the long-line of excuses/reasons Cork will cling to as to why they aren't All-Ireland champions. Someone mentioned the list of teams Cork have beaten in the championship under Cuthbert - Clare, Sligo and Tipperary (and they were haunted to beat Tipperary, Sligo had an utter horror show of kicking in the first half and Clare were pretty much missing their entire attack) Sadly it looks like Cuthbert will be going. On the law of averages Cork are surely due a decent manager now - however Cuthbert has done severe damage to Cork football - Walsh, Cahalane and young Cadogan all playing hurling and has really been successful in killing stone dead any progress off the back of the 2010 All-Ireland win. Someone mentioned playing Cadogan as a midfielder, I still think playing Paddy Kelly as a centre-back was a worse decision in terms of playing a player out of position[talk about squandering a player's strengths], especially in light of the other options in the squad (Cork have other options in terms of centre-back but because Cuthbert dropped/messed about so many midfielders/didnt give any youngsters their chance, there was such a lack of other options for the midfield berth)
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