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Post by kerrygold on Jun 15, 2015 9:22:54 GMT
So the scene is set for the Munster final in Killarney on the Ring of Kerry Charity Cycle Weekend. It has the makings of a cracking weekend in Killarney.
Defensively ropey Kerry going in against an unsure Cork team.
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Post by athletics on Jun 15, 2015 12:21:38 GMT
Great to be back in another Munster final. For those of you out there I have 2 questions. 1 . Did anyone hear the comment past on the Sunday game last night that the Munster provincial loser if stays standing in the qualifiers would play Dublin in the All Ireland Quarter Final? 2 . Looking at the Gaa wallchart Kerry and Cork now remain in The A side,what are the possible permutations at All Ireland quarter final stage for Kerry if they reach it? Can Kerry play Cork in All Ireland quarter final if both stay standing?
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 15, 2015 15:20:28 GMT
Great to be back in another Munster final. For those of you out there I have 2 questions. 1 . Did anyone hear the comment past on the Sunday game last night that the Munster provincial loser if stays standing in the qualifiers would play Dublin in the All Ireland Quarter Final? 2 . Looking at the Gaa wallchart Kerry and Cork now remain in The A side,what are the possible permutations at All Ireland quarter final stage for Kerry if they reach it? Can Kerry play Cork in All Ireland quarter final if both stay standing? Yes, TSG confirmed that Leinster winners play Munster runners up in 1/4 final; on the 2nd point, provincial finalists cannot play each other in a 1/4 final.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 15, 2015 15:40:18 GMT
Think they're wrong. Last year Munster was paired with Connaught thus you had Munster-Connaught pairings for 1/4s and semis. This year it's Munster-Ulster.
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Post by athletics on Jun 15, 2015 15:47:24 GMT
Think they're wrong. Last year Munster was paired with Connaught thus you had Munster-Connaught pairings for 1/4s and semis. This year it's Munster-Ulster. Yes think you are right. I don't think it's possible for the losers of Munster final to play Dublin in the Quarter finals.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 15, 2015 17:11:03 GMT
A novel pairing this year.
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Post by bilythewalsh on Jun 15, 2015 18:35:49 GMT
Think they're wrong. Last year Munster was paired with Connaught thus you had Munster-Connaught pairings for 1/4s and semis. This year it's Munster-Ulster. Yes think you are right. I don't think it's possible for the losers of Munster final to play Dublin in the Quarter finals. There may be a misprint in the The Master Fixture Schedule, but it seems to state that Munster final losers play a 4A qualifier, and that the winner of the 4A qualifier then plays the Munster or Leinster champions. 25.07.2015 (Sat) Round 4A Two Games Each of the two teams defeated in the Provincial Finals (Laighin, Mumha) shall play against one of the two Winners of Round 3A. Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings where feasible. Venues determined by the CCCC. 01/02/03.08.2015 (Sat/Sun/Mon) Round 4B Two Games Each of the two teams defeated in the Provincial Finals (Connacht, Uladh) shall play against one of the two Winners of Round 3B. Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings where feasible. Venues determined by the CCCC. Master Fixture Schedule 2015 (Football) 5 GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship (ar lean...) 01/02/03.08.2015 (Sat/Sun/Mon) - (08/09.08.2015 Replay) All Ireland Quarter-Finals (A) Two Games Each of the two Provincial Final Winners (Laighin, Mumha) shall play against one of the two Winners of Round 4A. Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this Round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible 08.08.2015 (Sat) - (15/16.08.2015 Replay) All Ireland Quarter-Finals (B) Two Games Each of the two Provincial Final Winners (Connacht, Uladh) shall play against one of the two Winners of Round 4B. Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this Round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible
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Post by bilythewalsh on Jun 15, 2015 18:40:42 GMT
I think that means that....
If Kerry win Munster:
They will play winner of qualifier involving Leinster final losers and another qualifier team (assuming Cork win their qualifier and would not be able to be paired with Kerry again so soon).
If Kerry lose Munster final:
Will have to beat a winner from Round 3 of the qualifiers, then potential quarter-final against Leinster champions, possibly the Dubs.
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Post by athletics on Jun 15, 2015 19:06:36 GMT
I think that means that.... If Kerry win Munster: They will play winner of qualifier involving Leinster final losers and another qualifier team (assuming Cork win their qualifier and would not be able to be paired with Kerry again so soon). If Kerry lose Munster final: Will have to beat a winner from Round 3 of the qualifiers, then potential quarter-final against Leinster champions, possibly the Dubs. Thanks very much for making it very clear as to who the winners of Munster and losers of Munster play.There is a mistake on the Gaa Football wall chart on the Gaa website.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 15, 2015 23:09:47 GMT
Documentary on the Gooch:
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Post by G_S_J on Jun 16, 2015 11:13:38 GMT
Id imagine, two all-stars last year, Paul Murphy and David Moran, will be like dogs in training for the next three weeks to regain their places, no guarantee they will. All good for us of course.
Will be interesting to see what Cork do with Gooch. The roasting they got from Dec O'Sullivan at 11 position last year, is still fresh in the memory.
Wonder who do Cork followers think is their best man-marker, Cadogan maybe? They'll have to come up with something anyway, it will be either double up on JOD or Gooch, decisions, decisions. I like our hand.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 16, 2015 12:52:56 GMT
With Murphy and Moran coming back, who will lose their place on the bench? It will possibly be the strongest Kerry match panel of 26 ever.
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Post by defullback10 on Jun 16, 2015 13:20:38 GMT
This is how I see the fixtures
Munster will play Ulster in the semi finals BUT the winners and losers (if they qualify) of the Munster Championship will play on the same weekend as the winners and losers of the Leinster Championship. The quarter finals are split over weekends this year. Im going to use Kerry and Dublin as winners
Cork play a Q rd called 3A, winners go to QF as 4A (Cork) Meath play a Q rd called 3A, winners go to QF as 4A (Meath)
On the weekend of the Aug BH, the U and C losers play their 3B round, winners are 4B Also on the Aug BH, the Munster winner and the Leinster winners will play but not against each other and not against the team they played in the final of their provincial championship (there can only be a draw if both provincial losers lose their Q3A game). Thus Kerry v Meath Dublin v Cork
Weekend of Aug 8th, Ulster winners and Con winners will play the 4B winners
Aug 23rd Kerry v Donegal
Sept 20th - All Ireland Final
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Post by G_S_J on Jun 16, 2015 13:31:32 GMT
With Murphy and Moran coming back, who will lose their place on the bench? It will possibly be the strongest Kerry match panel of 26 ever. What a difference a year makes. Post Clare game last year people were saying the complete opposite.
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Post by fitz on Jun 16, 2015 22:08:26 GMT
I don't see any noticeable change in Cork from last year. Some more O'Driscolls. A rejected hurler's second choice family (harsh description but accurate)It looked like they had steadied in the league but completely capitulated again in the final against Dublin. 1 POINT FROM PLAY in the entire match. I don't see any major new infusion of above the bar talent on their team. One still thinks they'll make a better cut than last year, but on paper, on championship and even most recent league form they can't win unless we help them. The psychological factor is even more solidified now, repeated Dublin league pasting dose as starter, heading to Killarney, their recent upgrade to graveyard status, and our squad stronger than last year.
I'm teasing a bit but the points are factual except maybe I'm light on knowledge of their entire squad. Also a final fact and to date when the money's down their manager doesn't have it.
If our attitude is right for the 70 mins and our preparations go as expected, we win.
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Post by mandad on Jun 17, 2015 12:54:44 GMT
I don't think we can take for granted that Moran and Murphy will be available for selection for the Cork game. Whatever about Moran being ready Murphy's picked up his injury just two weeks ago and it will be 'touch and go' with him.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 17, 2015 16:40:46 GMT
I don't see any noticeable change in Cork from last year. Some more O'Driscolls. A rejected hurler's second choice family (harsh description but accurate)It looked like they had steadied in the league but completely capitulated again in the final against Dublin. 1 POINT FROM PLAY in the entire match. I don't see any major new infusion of above the bar talent on their team. One still thinks they'll make a better cut than last year, but on paper, on championship and even most recent league form they can't win unless we help them. The psychological factor is even more solidified now, repeated Dublin league pasting dose as starter, heading to Killarney, their recent upgrade to graveyard status, and our squad stronger than last year. I'm teasing a bit but the points are factual except maybe I'm light on knowledge of their entire squad. Also a final fact and to date when the money's down their manager doesn't have it. If our attitude is right for the 70 mins and our preparations go as expected, we win. It remains to be seen if Kerry's defence will be as strong as it was in 2014 and be fit for purpose in 2015.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 17, 2015 21:14:29 GMT
I would hate to think that we were getting a bit over confident. Confident - yes. Over confident - no
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Post by seaniebo on Jun 17, 2015 21:51:02 GMT
I would hate to think that we were getting a bit over confident. Confident - yes. Over confident - no I agree. We're accustomed to tight tense affairs when we meet in Munster. Last year's result was very much an abnormal one. The normal situation is a mere kick of a ball at the final whistle. We were out the gap in 2013 at half time and at full time Cork should have been ahead. Cork certainly won't lack for motivation, least of all revenge. The article by Tomás will add to that! This is far from a foregone conclusion. I suspect that this may be a bit of a dog fight. Cork will surely adopt a defensive strategy. A shoot out for me would suit Kerry so I expect Cork will try and limit us in attack. Easier said than done of course. I'm always nervous when Cork come to Killarney. I still haven't forgotten and never will forget 1995.
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Post by boots on Jun 18, 2015 6:40:09 GMT
I doubt if Eamon will thank Tomás too much for stoking the Cork fires a few weeks out. Tomás came out last week and said how much he feared and respected playing the likes of Tipp and Clare and then comes out and calls cork ruderless and leaderless and basically calls cuthbert a clown who hasn't a clue what he's doing. Very strange.
This would be a great few weeks to get over to the stadium in Killarney (if we were still left in), to watch what will surely be some highly contested internal football matches.
Alof of players with plenty to play for in the next 2 weeks. Buckley, o Brien, Moran, Sheehan, Keane, Geaney, O'Donoghue, Enright, fionn, Paul Murphy, Aidan, griffin. They're all going to be watching the other guy very closely and have to play very well to retain or regain their jersey. Massive competition.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2015 8:31:26 GMT
Kerry must fix major flaws to have any hope of retaining Sam Eoin Liston PUBLISHED 18/06/2015 Colm Cooper is without doubt the most popular Kerry footballer in decades Donegal hammered Division 3 side Armagh on Sunday; the result was never in doubt. Last month Dublin put 27 points on Longford, a team that won promotion to Division 3 for next season.
On Sunday, Kerry huffed and puffed against Division 3 side Tipperary, eventually winning by six points. I have to admit, I'm a little concerned by what I saw. There were positives: the team will be happy to have won, to be into another Munster final and to have had a good challenge before meeting Cork. It was vital to get game-time into players like Colm Cooper, James O'Donoghue and Donnchadh Walsh, but beyond that there were plenty of things that Kerry must work hard on if they are to have a hope of retaining the All-Ireland. I said here last week that this team had to work on their kick-outs - compared to what Dublin do from Stephen Cluxton's restarts, they were only about a two or three out-of-ten against Tipp. Stretch There was one stretch in the first half when they didn't win any clean ball in the middle of the field for 15 minutes, and there was a similar period in the second half. That's not all down to Brendan Kealy's kicking either; that's something that the whole team has to work on. Everyone has to make the right move to create the space, know where to be to pick up the breaks and so on. Dublin created enough scoring chances that they got 4-25 against Longford. Kerry managed 2-14, barely half of the Dubs' total. Simply put, they lost too much possession; it was turned over in the tackle, some of the decision-making was poor, the first touch wasn't good enough at times. That all added up. The game was decided in the five minutes after half-time when Kerry got five points in a row. Tipperary have a strong spine and they are a team going places, but they didn't take enough of the chances they created. Just seven of the team that started last year's All-Ireland final win over Donegal were in the line-up at Semple Stadium on Sunday, and the next two weeks are hugely important for everyone on the panel and for the management. Looking at the team, I'm asking myself 'where are my absolute certainties to start against Cork?'. The full-forward line of O'Donoghue, Kieran Donaghy and Paul Geaney will definitely start. So will Cooper at centre-forward, Anthony Maher in midfield and Killian Young in defence. But beyond that I'm not sure. Marc Ó Sé and Aidan O'Mahony are both getting on. Johnny Buckley would have been a certainty, but he didn't even make it to half-time against Tipp. The likes of Barry John Keane, Darran O'Sullivan, Stephen O'Brien, Tommy Walsh, Paul Galvin are all fighting for their place. In the half-forwards and the middle in particular, Kerry have a lot of options. Eamonn Fitzmaurice has always said that he picks the team on training - whoever is going well in the weeks before the game gets the nod. This can be a good thing, but it can also lead to a lot of chopping and changing, and this isn't a good thing when you're trying to get your team-work up to the maximum. When you're playing with the same team, the same lads around you, and results are going the right way, spirit grows, communication gets better and you can read the subtle signs - all a fella has to do is give you a nod and you know what he's thinking. Kerry have as skilful individuals as any side in the country, but we have to get them working better together as a team. The decision-making has to be better and players have to be more selfless. Passes Dublin can hit two or three passes and open a team up for a score; that's not something I saw from Kerry at the weekend. I, like all Kerry people and surely all football fans, was delighted to see Cooper (left) starting a Championship game for the first time in nearly two years after coming back from such a serious injury. He didn't touch the ball in the first 15 minutes and there were few fumbles, but when he finally did get in possession you could see the old Gooch: the urgency, the alertness, the quick thinking and the passing. The 70 minutes he got will bring him on an awful lot. Without doubt, he's the most popular footballer in Kerry for the past 30 years. We're all looking forward to seeing what will happen when he and O'Donoghue are fully in harness. Irish Independent
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Post by jamo on Jun 18, 2015 8:34:14 GMT
I don't see any noticeable change in Cork from last year. Some more O'Driscolls. A rejected hurler's second choice family (harsh description but accurate)It looked like they had steadied in the league but completely capitulated again in the final against Dublin. 1 POINT FROM PLAY in the entire match. I don't see any major new infusion of above the bar talent on their team. One still thinks they'll make a better cut than last year, but on paper, on championship and even most recent league form they can't win unless we help them. The psychological factor is even more solidified now, repeated Dublin league pasting dose as starter, heading to Killarney, their recent upgrade to graveyard status, and our squad stronger than last year. I'm teasing a bit but the points are factual except maybe I'm light on knowledge of their entire squad. Also a final fact and to date when the money's down their manager doesn't have it. If our attitude is right for the 70 mins and our preparations go as expected, we win. Any more of this sh**e talk and we will get a Cork Tsunami on July 5th in Killarney - will be tired enough after cycling the Ring of Kerry the day before !!
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2015 8:41:50 GMT
Good piece from the Bomber. Kerry had an element of surprise about them last year coming from a low position in the league standings into the business end of the championship although they did flash a glimpse of their potential in the Munster final. That element of surprise will be gone this year as Kerry have been standing in the shop window for a while.
Kerry were moderate to so so against Tipp and it remains to be seen if Eamonn and the players can set a different stall out in 2015. A defensive strategy that prevents the leaking of scores will a be a major prerequisite that is required before any All-Ireland winning form is attained. It will be interesting to see how they go about doing this with a panel that is top heavy with attacking options as the traditional game of Gaelic football continues to go out the window. An interesting space.
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Post by fitz on Jun 18, 2015 9:39:45 GMT
I don't see any noticeable change in Cork from last year. Some more O'Driscolls. A rejected hurler's second choice family (harsh description but accurate)It looked like they had steadied in the league but completely capitulated again in the final against Dublin. 1 POINT FROM PLAY in the entire match. I don't see any major new infusion of above the bar talent on their team. One still thinks they'll make a better cut than last year, but on paper, on championship and even most recent league form they can't win unless we help them. The psychological factor is even more solidified now, repeated Dublin league pasting dose as starter, heading to Killarney, their recent upgrade to graveyard status, and our squad stronger than last year. I'm teasing a bit but the points are factual except maybe I'm light on knowledge of their entire squad. Also a final fact and to date when the money's down their manager doesn't have it. If our attitude is right for the 70 mins and our preparations go as expected, we win. Any more of this sh**e talk and we will get a Cork Tsunami on July 5th in Killarney - will be tired enough after cycling the Ring of Kerry the day before !! Granted the style of my presentation might not be to some folks liking, exactly what parts of my post are factually 'shi*e' Jamo? A Cork tsunami? Is that opinion based on 'Any Given Day' logic or do you know something about their team we're unaware of? Btw could you leave off the provocative trash replies, and maybe post something counteractive and constructive as a riposte as disagree with my take on things.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 18, 2015 19:13:18 GMT
Some strange talk on here so far, Not sure how some contributors think we have the best panel in years? I dont agree with that at all, we have a good team but not as strong as the 00s team
Regarding Cork - I would not be over confident about this game. Yes we have not lost in Killarney In 15 years. Yes we hammered them last year in Cork, But we are struggling in FB line, JOD & others no real game time since last year. Lots of injuries early in the summer.
Plenty to be concerned about.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 19, 2015 9:23:07 GMT
Some of the loose talk about Cork not being quite at it makes me very nervous. Surely, after what happened in Munster last year, and the humiliating defeat in this years league final, we are going to see a major reaction from Cork in Killarney? A team with wounded pride is a very dangerous animal and victory for Cork in Killarney would nearly be as good as an All Ireland win to them at this stage. While some of the fans and pundits might take this for granted, I think Eamon and his squad are well aware that Cork should in no way be underestimated.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 19, 2015 9:53:20 GMT
After being humiliated by Cork in the last two league games, I doubt any Kerry player will be taking them for granted. The competition for places should ensure there is nothing but 100% focus on this game. I think its been 10 years since there was a Kerry-Cork game in Killarney that wasn't in the melting pot with 5 minutes to go. If Kerry perform to the level they are capable of, its hard to see Cork matching them. But an off day for Kerry and Cork on top form could see a first win for Cork in Killarney for 20 years. I'm sure that's not something Fitzy wants on his CV.
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Post by kot on Jun 19, 2015 10:05:13 GMT
Some of the loose talk about Cork not being quite at it makes me very nervous. Surely, after what happened in Munster last year, and the humiliating defeat in this years league final, we are going to see a major reaction from Cork in Killarney? A team with wounded pride is a very dangerous animal and victory for Cork in Killarney would nearly be as good as an All Ireland win to them at this stage. While some of the fans and pundits might take this for granted, I think Eamon and his squad are well aware that Cork should in no way be underestimated. And to confound this, are Cork not being talked about in the exact same manner as we ourselves were last year? Going playing the ould enemy away from home with a big milestone (20 years without defeat Vs. last game in Pairc Ui Chaoimh) and being completely taken for granted. The lackluster pendatic way we have been performing in the league and first outing in Munster is nothing new but our defensive record is getting worrying and as has been mentioned, our stellar backs of the great decade past are all pushing on now. The guys coming in are really not cutting it and the guys around them getting too old to bail them out. No problems with us from 8 - 15 and, to a lesser extent, 5-7. But grave concerns lie between numbers 1-4 who will be up against Cork's strongest line who will carve us open and wont be as wastefuly as Tipp were given the chance.
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Post by KY50 on Jun 20, 2015 13:21:26 GMT
The Cork game is very interesting, we are probably in the opposite situation as in 2014, Cork will be coming to Killarney possibly as underdogs.We have a tendency to view things through green tinted glasses. The following are some of the arguments that can be made for Cork
Media motivation Pat Flanagans training and conditioning Colm O Neill in excellent form Very strong league apart from the final Alan O Connor gives them another option in midfield, remember in 2013 he took control in the second half Declan O Sullivan retired - A master class Colm and James not back to full match fitness yet Kerry defence, lack of pace in midfield,injuries and no plan B in attack Corks Physicality
At this stage I would settle for a draw
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Post by inchperfect on Jun 20, 2015 14:52:03 GMT
If the game does end in a draw, where would the replay take place? If it's in Killarney again I actually wouldn't mind another day out, purely because it's another fierce competitive game to have under our belt which could stand to us later on in the summer. If the replay would be anywhere else I'd want it settled the first game though, something we're more than capable of doing.
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