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Post by glengael on Mar 29, 2015 10:20:10 GMT
It was a "neutral " venue in 2008 as it was the last round of the qualifiers. We made 4 trips to Croke Park in quick succession around that time with that game, the quarter and 2 semi-finals. What time is throw in on Sunday? 2pm? That's a great photo of Moynihan Glen. Immediately reminds me of the interview the Newstalk boys did with Val Andrews, Barry O'Shea re: the "Tralee Galacticos" of the late 90s with Jimmy's McGuinness; in the week leading up to the final last September Val - in his deep Dublin accent (approx.) "...none of it would have happened without Moynihan. He was unbelievable. He doesn't get the recognition he deserves because of his position in the defence, but pound for pound he's the best footballer I've ever seen..." A great compliment. Thanks Fitzwop. I didn't hear that programme but the comment is very valid. To me Moynihan had everything as a footballer, skill, anticipation,presence of mind,leadership, commitment and above all, courage, heart and an absolute belief in the jersey he was wearing, whatever that jersey was. And there was no hint of a self publicist about him either. He would be very much at home in the heart of the defence on a day like today. It's very stormy where I am, not sure what it's like in Tralee, but that will surely affect how the game is played. Bryan Sheehan is a huge loss, he was in a class of his own v Donegal. Hopefully, we will secure the win. Ciarrai Abu.
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Post by Corner Back on Mar 29, 2015 12:04:08 GMT
A win today not only guarantees div 1 Football next year but also should seal a semi final spot due to the other fixtures left especially Dublin v Monaghan and Mayo V cork A win today is vital. Could still be relegated if Donegal beat Tyrone today and we lose to Monaghan and Tyrone.
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 29, 2015 15:12:29 GMT
Poor so far 1-7 to 0-8 behind
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Post by martym on Mar 29, 2015 15:53:17 GMT
Very poor big game in Omagh next week
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2015 17:30:52 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 29, 2015 17:34:52 GMT
Surprised by that, word is that Kerry were doing heavy stamina training this week. After the past couple of years they will be confident of beating Tyrone anyway, who were well beaten by Donegal. Could be the end for Micky Harte for the moment if they lose and he chose to step down
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 29, 2015 17:38:15 GMT
A Kerry win will mean qualification for the league semi (barring a Dublin-Monaghan draw, which is unlikely as Monaghan are already qualified) while a loss means relegation.
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Post by southward on Mar 29, 2015 17:46:06 GMT
I think we could afford to lose by 1 point and be safe. But no more.
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Post by glengael on Mar 29, 2015 17:52:55 GMT
Was the game that bad or has everyone taken the long way home before posting any eye witness reports?
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Post by stevieq on Mar 29, 2015 17:58:40 GMT
Just back from the game. Better team won on the day. Hard to pick out any plusses. Killian and Johnathon very solid performances. . Killian growing as a player with each game. Didn't understand why Crowley was left as sweeper and not Griffin. Kelly's kick outs dire in the second half. Can think of only one reaching It's man when Moran plucked one out. Turning point was when BJK fluffed a goal chance. Tommy Walsh needs to start doing something soon!!!!!
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 29, 2015 18:22:10 GMT
A Kerry win will mean qualification for the league semi (barring a Dublin-Monaghan draw, which is unlikely as Monaghan are already qualified) while a loss means relegation. Explain that as I can't see how well make semi unless Dublin lose to Monaghan which is unlikely
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Post by dabomber on Mar 29, 2015 18:26:17 GMT
Just back from the game. Better team won on the day. Hard to pick out any plusses. Killian and Johnathon very solid performances. . Killian growing as a player with each game. Didn't understand why Crowley was left as sweeper and not Griffin. Kelly's kick outs dire in the second half. Can think of only one reaching It's man when Moran plucked one out. Turning point was when BJK fluffed a goal chance. Tommy Walsh needs to start doing something soon!!!!! I realise that Tommy Walsh needs games but at the same time I don't feel we can carry him either... Definitely not deserving to be one of the first off the bench
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Post by trevor73 on Mar 29, 2015 18:26:56 GMT
Wretched result - extremely poor wides in first half. Tyrone would love to relegate us. Very worried about that game : they wanted it more - Sheehan huge loss. Tommy Walsh is miles away from what he was GAA wise pre Aussie Rules. Will need time but in club football now I think or late sub
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Post by baurtregaum on Mar 29, 2015 18:38:14 GMT
Kerry kicked about 10 wides in the first half into the Horans end. There was a strong wind blowing diagonally across the field but favouring Kerry in that half. Their first three attempts were well off the mark but they still kicked the first 4 points of the game.
They played well for about the first 20 mins but seemed to fade after that. Monaghan made a better fist of conditions in the second half and Kerry can have no complaints. Conor Mcmanus kicked some nice points in spite of the wind. We need Sheehan for the frees. We had about four different players take them and none did very well, even allowing for the weather.
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Post by stevieq on Mar 29, 2015 18:40:05 GMT
A Kerry win will mean qualification for the league semi (barring a Dublin-Monaghan draw, which is unlikely as Monaghan are already qualified) while a loss means relegation. Surely a semi final place is only a mathematical possibility at this stage. We would have to ratchet up a cricket score in Omagh and depend on other results going our way to qualify for semis.
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Post by veteran on Mar 29, 2015 18:41:08 GMT
There was nothing fortuitous about Monaghan's win today. Apart from the first fifteen minutes or so of the first half ,they were by far the better team. Fit, hard,beaver busy, tight when it was needed and enterprising at other times. They had a facility to open up our back line which we could never replicate at the other end. While it was a difficult day for free takers, they were more economical with theirs while our efforts, the luckless Paul Geaney aside, were of the juvenile category. Not the first time I say, convert your frees or die.
Kerry played with the gale in the first half and were dominant in every position for the first fifteen minutes. Ominously, the wides were mounting but still we secured about five points without reply, if my memory is correct, and therefore, in spite of the wastefulness, things looked promising. Sadly, we had reached our apex at that early stage. Monaghan gradually got to grips with the situation and from that to the end of the half they outscored us by four points to two, leaving it 0-7 to 0-4 at the break. One of those Monaghan points, to me, was a stake through Kerry's heart. Their goalie came out to take a free about forty five metres from our goal, towards the sideline. Against the gale he nailed it ,whereas with the gale that feat, indeed lesser feats, was way beyond our capacity. A statement of intent by Monaghan and a harbinger of an unhappy second half for the Kerry brethren.
The second half is essentially a tale of Monaghan dominance and of Kerry direness. We were lose at the back and not one of our forwards was a serious scoring threat, apart possibly from the lively. as usual. BJK. It was no surprise that Monaghan got the three early points in the second half as they were full of energy and inventiveness. We very nearly sneaked a goal from nothing when BJK kicked one from the ground that just went tantalisingly outside the post. A goal then might have lifted spirits but when Monaghan scored one of their own it was time to contemplate an unappetising trip to Omagh.
Just like the Cork and Mayo games, it is difficult pluck any tasty morsels from this very serious setback. To compound matters, management seemed to make some strange decisions during the game. First of all, they were very slow in taking off a clearly limping Paul Geaney. When Tommy Walsh came on he was initially positioned inside with with KD. A revisiting of the twin towers. It is a total waste having those two boys together. Which of them is going to bend his back to pick up the breaks? After a while, Tommy was brought out to midfield so that we had three tall boys there now. Which of those three boys is build to crash in for a break and it was the breaks that cost us in that area not a deficit in fielding ability. It would appear in any case that management is unsure where to play Tommy. Neither do I, it must be admitted. It is now the end of March and still Tommy seems to spend most of his time ambling about, lazily and aimlessly. He is not within a hundred miles of what he was in 2009. Can he approach that level during 2015? I worry.
Another strange move today was the replacing of Johnny Buckley. He did not come close to replicating his Donegal form but I got the impression he was one of our hardest workers, contesting any ball or person that was in his vicinity, particularly in the second half. Jonathan Lyne was probably our best player overall but management, in their wisdom, switched him up to the forwards when Johnny went off. I suppose that was a commentary on the impoverishment of our forward replacements, where for the second game, Kieran O'Leary did not take his place on the bench.
Apart from Jonathan, Killian and Peter Crowley were the best of our backs. I will mention Shane Enright. He was up against a top notch forward in Conor McManus. Conor did kick a good few points off him in the second half when Shane was left isolated on his opponent. Shane effected about four blocks down on his opponent but frustratingly each time the ball was picked up by a Monaghan player rather than a dozy colleague. Shane was gallant at the very least.
Both of our midfielders had good moments, especially Anthony. It was the breaks that upscuttled us in that area and also, cleverly, Monaghan played a lot of ball away from the midfield area. David has had better days kicking the ball.
It was a pity that Alan Fitzgerald's black card came so early in the game. It would have been interesting to see how he would have fared on his first start. We seem to be picking up an undue amount of black cards. Another worry.
Paul Geaney was a huge loss. He was shaping up very well from play and, while not flawless, he was threatening to be our most reliable free taker. Poor Paul seems to be injury prone. Another worry. BJK was the busiest of the other forwards. Even allowing for the skyscrapers that were sent his way, KD had his poorest game for a long time.
Both Marc and Darren came on, so they got a chance to stretch their legs at least.
There is no denying this has been a disappointing NFL, trounced away to Cork and convincingly beaten twice at home. The optimists will say it is only March. I wish them the best of luck with that approach.
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Post by stevieq on Mar 29, 2015 18:47:02 GMT
Wretched result - extremely poor wides in first half. Tyrone would love to relegate us. Very worried about that game : they wanted it more - Sheehan huge loss. Tommy Walsh is miles away from what he was GAA wise pre Aussie Rules. Will need time but in club football now I think or late sub The inconsistency of performances is a bit of a worry. Dublin good; Cork bad; Donegal good; Today bad. The team week in week out is essentially the same bar one or two changes/injuries. Different mindset today compared to a couple of weeks ago. Can't get my head around it.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 29, 2015 18:48:48 GMT
Poor fare, deservedly beaten. Poor on the line in first half, kept Killian & Crowley at the back , marking space and not putting Monaghan under any pressure in their own half of the field. Our kick out was an enigma- Monaghan probably won more of our kick outs than their own. Our half forward line offered little with Paul Geaney realistically our only threat; Star was a frustrated figure, surrounded by 2/3 opponents but we kept trying to find him with hopeful punts; turning point came @ 0-8 to 0-7 when Barry John fluffed our best goal chance. Management must decide what they want to do with Tommy- he needs game time but being in the panel cannot play with Strand Rd- trying him @ 12 ( Derry) or half forward line is not helping him- he needs to Be close to goal to use his aerial power - maybe he should be released to his club for 2/3 games to get up to speed with his game. Darran also well off the pace- how has Alan Fitzgerald leapfrogged some of these guys?
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Post by stevieq on Mar 29, 2015 19:18:23 GMT
I still believe Kealy is a better goalie. His kickouts have been exemplary this league. He picks the giants out with a Scholes-typed pass which differs from Kelly's looping kick This opinion rubber stamped today. I know the wind was a huge factor but kick outs were disastrous.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 29, 2015 19:23:59 GMT
A Kerry win will mean qualification for the league semi (barring a Dublin-Monaghan draw, which is unlikely as Monaghan are already qualified) while a loss means relegation. Surely a semi final place is only a mathematical possibility at this stage. We would have to ratchet up a cricket score in Omagh and depend on other results going our way to qualify for semis. Sorry was wrong, for Kerry to qualify need a Kerry win and either (A) Monaghan win (B) Dublin win and the combined Kerry-Dublin margins of victory total 15 pts+ (C) Donegal-Mayo draw
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 19:44:53 GMT
Young lyne and enright were solid the rest were well beating .monaghan the better team by far they looked fitter and every player running to space looking for the ball and they used the wind to their advantage better than we did
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 29, 2015 19:50:31 GMT
Poor performance where the more industrious Monaghan effort justly prevailed. Difference in kick outs of the two keepers was startling. We failed to take our first half scoring oportunities with a string of wides, gave up the only goal of the game by leaving their No9 free on the wing several times (they should have profited more from this) - looking at the final score we were fortunate to only lose by 4. Too much slow ball and lateral passing from Kerry. Left ourselves a difficult Easter Sunday to close out the league 2015 before a lengthy break to the Chmpionship.
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Post by playitfair on Mar 29, 2015 20:30:05 GMT
Kerry just didn't have a forward on duty that was performing at the same level as McManus.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 29, 2015 20:31:30 GMT
Kerry look poor went they don't turn up for these games, in particular against the blanket defence. However, no complaints, Monaghan were simply the better team. They defended and attacked wisely in equal measures in the first half while Kerry had the advantage of the strong wind. Indeed Kerry lost this game in the first half when they failed to take advantage of the strong wind on the score board. Saying that, Monaghan had the better players and the greater desire on the day.
Monaghan are a very decent team and with Donegal are probably the pace setters in the North. Kerry will most likely have to beat both and Cork to contest the All-Ireland final in 2015. They will have it all to do and will have to be be spot on to come through these games.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 29, 2015 20:39:45 GMT
I think that Sheehan will be a huge loss on Sunday. Monaghan will be happy enough to foul away around the 50, knowing we don't really have a free taker to match Bryan. I assume Buckley and Moran will take the frees between them. It will be tough stuff but we should have enough to beat Monaghan. Spot on. Any Kerry team without a fit Bryan Sheehan is a weaker Kerry team. Sunday could be tight enough in what could be a hugely physical game, unless Monaghan implode but we hadn't seen a lot of supporting evidence from Monaghan's form to suggest this. They have been solid through out this league. A big test for Kerry to rise to the same heights as last day out versus Donegal. It would be disappointing to let a league semi final slot slip on Sunday. Disappointing to let a semi final spot slip on the day after putting themselves into a great position with the victory against Donegal. If you lose two homes you cant have any complaints. Monaghan's performance today was in keeping their league form.
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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2015 21:11:41 GMT
There was nothing fortuitous about Monaghan's win today. Apart from the first fifteen minutes or so of the first half ,they were by far the better team. Fit, hard,beaver busy, tight when it was needed and enterprising at other times. They had a facility to open up our back line which we could never replicate at the other end. While it was a difficult day for free takers, they were more economical with theirs while our efforts, the luckless Paul Geaney aside, were of the juvenile category. Not the first time I say, convert your frees or die. Kerry played with the gale in the first half and were dominant in every position for the first fifteen minutes. Ominously, the wides were mounting but still we secured about five points without reply, if my memory is correct, and therefore, in spite of the wastefulness, things looked promising. Sadly, we had reached our apex at that early stage. Monaghan gradually got to grips with the situation and from that to the end of the half they outscored us by four points to two, leaving it 0-7 to 0-4 at the break. One of those Monaghan points, to me, was a stake through Kerry's heart. Their goalie came out to take a free about forty five metres from our goal, towards the sideline. Against the gale he nailed it ,whereas with the gale that feat, indeed lesser feats, was way beyond our capacity. A statement of intent by Monaghan and a harbinger of an unhappy second half for the Kerry brethren. The second half is essentially a tale of Monaghan dominance and of Kerry direness. We were lose at the back and not one of our forwards was a serious scoring threat, apart possibly from the lively. as usual. BJK. It was no surprise that Monaghan got the three early points in the second half as they were full of energy and inventiveness. We very nearly sneaked a goal from nothing when BJK kicked one from the ground that just went tantalisingly outside the post. A goal then might have lifted spirits but when Monaghan scored one of their own it was time to contemplate an unappetising trip to Omagh. Just like the Cork and Mayo games, it is difficult pluck any tasty morsels from this very serious setback. To compound matters, management seemed to make some strange decisions during the game. First of all, they were very slow in taking off a clearly limping Paul Geaney. When Tommy Walsh came on he was initially positioned inside with with KD. A revisiting of the twin towers. It is a total waste having those two boys together. Which of them is going to bend his back to pick up the breaks? After a while, Tommy was brought out to midfield so that we had three tall boys there now. Which of those three boys is build to crash in for a break and it was the breaks that cost us in that area not a deficit in fielding ability. It would appear in any case that management is unsure where to play Tommy. Neither do I, it must be admitted. It is now the end of March and still Tommy seems to spend most of his time ambling about, lazily and aimlessly. He is not within a hundred miles of what he was in 2009. Can he approach that level during 2015? I worry. Another strange move today was the replacing of Johnny Buckley. He did not come close to replicating his Donegal form but I got the impression he was one of our hardest workers, contesting any ball or person that was in his vicinity, particularly in the second half. Jonathan Lyne was probably our best player overall but management, in their wisdom, switched him up to the forwards when Johnny went off. I suppose that was a commentary on the impoverishment of our forward replacements, where for the second game, Kieran O'Leary did not take his place on the bench. Apart from Jonathan, Killian and Peter Crowley were the best of our backs. I will mention Shane Enright. He was up against a top notch forward in Conor McManus. Conor did kick a good few points off him in the second half when Shane was left isolated on his opponent. Shane effected about four blocks down on his opponent but frustratingly each time the ball was picked up by a Monaghan player rather than a dozy colleague. Shane was gallant at the very least. Both of our midfielders had good moments, especially Anthony. It was the breaks that upscuttled us in that area and also, cleverly, Monaghan played a lot of ball away from the midfield area. David has had better days kicking the ball. It was a pity that Alan Fitzgerald's black card came so early in the game. It would have been interesting to see how he would have fared on his first start. We seem to be picking up an undue amount of black cards. Another worry. Paul Geaney was a huge loss. He was shaping up very well from play and, while not flawless, he was threatening to be our most reliable free taker. Poor Paul seems to be injury prone. Another worry. BJK was the busiest of the other forwards. Even allowing for the skyscrapers that were sent his way, KD had his poorest game for a long time. Both Marc and Darren came on, so they got a chance to stretch their legs at least. There is no denying this has been a disappointing NFL, trounced away to Cork and convincingly beaten twice at home. The optimists will say it is only March. I wish them the best of luck with that approach. I think the inconsistency of performance is one of the disconcerting aspects to Kerry's league displays to date. This is the worst of the three results. A good lead unravelled and 3 points in a second half at home against albeit a decent side is abysmal. Both against Cork and now Monaghan there has been complete system malfunction bar the honourable mentioned. The free taking point is unquestionable, and outside 35 yards we're in bother without Bryan. If anything the black card will likely increment fouls at distant range, so we need to get Jonny Wilkinson over in June full time with big Johnny and Moran Of the last three years I'd still take our current status ahead of the last two heading for Championship. This has been a very competitive league. Last year we had Kildare and Westmeath, only Derry truly poor this term. I don't think Tyrone are thinking of relegating Kerry, they're just tryin to win, to stay up. It would be nice obviously afterwards if it happened. Tyrone are a pale shadow of their great side. If we play well we'll win, but there's plenty at stake and we've played two stinkers now, yet I think we'll have the squad and character to do it. There's a chance the heads went walkabout at 05-00 and the wind at the back. 05 lead, at home, and this is Monaghan. The last would be very disrespectful, but it is a valid reason, considering what followed. You can't switch off and expect to find it when needs must. Monaghan took the tide after 20 mins and kept it. A very honest earned win by Monaghan to give due credit. On Tommy the concerns are all justifiable, and the problems are game time and clearly confidence. He didn't play that much ball in Australia whereas Tadhg played more consistently before coming home too. Hopefully he get minutes at Strand Road over the coming months. For now a sub's role looks the most likely in Championship, but nothing stays the same. A couple of performances even at club level might trigger the spark required. The football is in the man, we just need be patient even if it requires waiting til 2016. Hopefully not...
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Post by Premier on Mar 29, 2015 21:23:06 GMT
Is it being shown on league Sunday?
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Post by southward on Mar 29, 2015 21:25:13 GMT
for the second game, Kieran O'Leary did not take his place on the bench. Is he like, refusing to tog out or something ?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2015 21:34:55 GMT
Kieran OLeary's grandmother dies today so his place on the bench went to Thomas Hickey.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 29, 2015 21:51:48 GMT
Owen Duffy goal gives Monaghan famous and vital win in Kerry Monaghan 1-11 Kerry 0-10
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An Owen Duffy second-half goal helped Monaghan pull off a rare win in Kerry with just one round of the Allianz Football league remaining, leaving the Farney men safe and Kerry's Division One status in the balance.
Kerry led by three points (0-7 to 0-4) at half-time despite having the big wind advantage but it was an awkward cross-wind and they did not help their own cause with some scatter-gun shooting, hitting 10 wides to Monaghan's one by the break.
With the Ulster men leaving just two men forward the Kingdom struggled to find a way through their blanket defence and things weren't helped when they lost Alan Fitzgerald (black card) and Paul Geaney (inj) just before half-time.
Geaney had given Drew Wylie a handful before he left and was Kerry's best forward and his loss also cost them their main freetaker as Bryan Sheehan was out injured and that proved fatal.
The game marked a cracking tussle between Conor McManus and Shane Enright and a brilliantly curled long free by goalkeeper Rory Beggan helped Monaghan to make the most of very few opportunities against the wind.
But once they got it they returned to a more orthodox formation and were level, on 0-7 each, within seven minutes of the re-start.
And their 48th minute goal - set up by Fintan Kelly and Darren Hughes and fisted home by Duffy - threw them all the momentum and they held Kerry scoreless for 24 minutes while pulling away for a surprisingly easy win.
Scorers: Monaghan: C McManus 0-6 (2f), O Duffy 1-1, D Hughes, P Finlay and D Malone 0-1 each, R Beggan 0-1 (f). Kerry: P Geaney 0-4 (3f), BJ Keane 0-2 (1f), J Buckley, J Lyne and S O'Brien 0-1 each, D Moran 0-1 (f).
KERRY - B Kelly; P Kilkenny, M Griffin, S Enright; J Lyne, P Crowley, K Young; A Maher, D Moran; S O'Brien, A Fitzgerald, J Buckley; P Geaney, K Donaghy (Capt), BJ Keane. Subs - D O'Sullivan for Fitzgerald (BC, 32), T Walsh for Geaney (inj, 33), P O'Donoghue for O'Brien (54), F Fitzgerald for Buckley (59), M OSe for Kilkenny (61), T Hickey for Moran (66).
MONAGHAN - R Beggan; K Duffy, D Wylie, R Wylie; F Kelly, V Corey, K O'Connell; N McAdam, D Hughes; D Mone, P Finlay, O Duffy; D Malone, K Hughes, C McManus (Capt). Subs - D McKenna for 12 (66), T Kerry for Malone (71).
Referee - Marty Duffy (Sligo).
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