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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 25, 2015 20:17:13 GMT
Is it my imagination or did Kerry once play a home qualifier against Monaghan? I can't find any record if it. I could be wrong about this but the last time I recall Monaghan playing Kerry at home was a very hot day in April on the final day of the Masters in Augusta. Kerry needed a win to guarantee progress to the latter stages of the league and Monaghan needed to lose by no more than a margin of 5 points or so to avoid relegation. And that's what happened. The Monaghan team landed into the Tatler after and the Masters on the box. Banty was one of the first in the door and sat down beside me. I had to do a double take. All talk about the game and that. An absolute gentleman I must say. There was some craic that night. The rest of the squad followed in after and what a down to earth bunch. It could have been 09 or 2010. I recall it being a lively enough old game too. No holds barred! I met Banty one day walking out of croker, think it was 09. He's a sound fella
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 25, 2015 21:29:25 GMT
Didn't we last meet in Croker, '09?, we had won Munster and had 5 weeks off while they were fresh coming through the back door, we were cold and they were flying, they hit us so hard they got us going and in that sense the game was often compared to the '80 semi vs Roscommon, of Jigger O'Connor Snr's famous goal, Jigger is young Donegal Jigger's father. Mick O'Dwyer said that Roscommon would have won if they didn't go into us so hard although the late Dermot Earley didn't quiet agree. Monaghan definitely woke us up that day and I'd be more sure we'd have lost that one if they didn't go in so hard.
'There was also a good one told of Banty's brother the night of Moynihan's retirement do, fellas weer trying go catch a dog that had strayed onto the pitch to take him away and Moynihan suggested that they catch McEneaney instead and give the dog the whistle. Eamonn 'Banty' and Seamus the ref are brothers aren't they, a fine eaterie they have, The Fiddlers Elbow in Monaghan if you're ever passing and I've never had anything less than the best carvery there, agus nil aon baint agam!
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 25, 2015 21:33:31 GMT
It was a "neutral " venue in 2008 as it was the last round of the qualifiers. We made 4 trips to Croke Park in quick succession around that time with that game, the quarter and 2 semi-finals. What time is throw in on Sunday? 2pm? Throw in 3pm in Tralee Don't forget to put your clock forward or you might arrive an hour late!
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 25, 2015 22:41:11 GMT
Surely Conor Keanes worth a start for this game seeing he's pulverized every opposition he's come up against for the last 15 months for both club and county. 1-7 out of 1-9 against Cork for the U 21's says enough in itself Conor Keane showed very well last year also with any chance he got. He must be in close contention for a starting place alright, although BJK has ownership of the no. 15 jersey at the moment. I do believe Conor playing for Kerry is a formality however I don't believe he should be rushed. Let's be realistic he did get 6 frees which of course have to be kicked aswell but I would hardly say he pulverised his marker against cork u21s. His goal was taken very well and showed class the gooch would be proud of but he was out of the game for large periods and given the fact that we dominated midfield for large periods this would be a minor concern for me that he didn't get on more ball. I think he could have demanded it more or roamed out and made something happen like gooch would do. At the moment I don't see him having more of an impact than many of the forwards currently in there but given time I believe he will star for the seniors.
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Post by fitz on Mar 26, 2015 2:55:07 GMT
Sure croke park is as good as home at this stage ? It was a "neutral " venue in 2008 as it was the last round of the qualifiers. We made 4 trips to Croke Park in quick succession around that time with that game, the quarter and 2 semi-finals. What time is throw in on Sunday? 2pm? That's a great photo of Moynihan Glen. Immediately reminds me of the interview the Newstalk boys did with Val Andrews, Barry O'Shea re: the "Tralee Galacticos" of the late 90s with Jimmy's McGuinness; in the week leading up to the final last September Val - in his deep Dublin accent (approx.) "...none of it would have happened without Moynihan. He was unbelievable. He doesn't get the recognition he deserves because of his position in the defence, but pound for pound he's the best footballer I've ever seen..." A great compliment.
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Post by 6 in a row on Mar 26, 2015 11:18:07 GMT
I could be wrong about this but the last time I recall Monaghan playing Kerry at home was a very hot day in April on the final day of the Masters in Augusta. Kerry needed a win to guarantee progress to the latter stages of the league and Monaghan needed to lose by no more than a margin of 5 points or so to avoid relegation. And that's what happened. The Monaghan team landed into the Tatler after and the Masters on the box. Banty was one of the first in the door and sat down beside me. I had to do a double take. All talk about the game and that. An absolute gentleman I must say. There was some craic that night. The rest of the squad followed in after and what a down to earth bunch. It could have been 09 or 2010. I recall it being a lively enough old game too. No holds barred! I met Banty one day walking out of croker, think it was 09. He's a sound fella www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/year/2010/Leaguewww.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/year/2011/Leaguewww.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/year/2008www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/year/2007
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Post by lár na páirce on Mar 26, 2015 11:33:36 GMT
Team i'd like see announced tonight
Kelly
Enright Griffin Kilkenny
Murphy Crowley Young
Moran Maher
Fitzgerald Sheehan Buckley
BJK Paul Geaney Stephen O B
SUBS Lyne Sherwood Fionn Mikey Geaney Conor Keane Tommy Walsh
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Post by yellowbelly on Mar 26, 2015 14:37:04 GMT
Just hope we don't have the same luck the last two times we played Monaghan in the League. In 2011 in Inniskeen David Moran did his ACL and in 2010 in Killarney Gooch got a finger in his eye and tore a tear duct and was out for a few months.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 21:21:35 GMT
Good to see Kelly back in goal - Kealy has been given a decent run in the league but hasnt done enough to dislodge Kelly as No 1 in my opinion. Darren and Marc on the bench - no sign of Colm yet
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 26, 2015 21:51:09 GMT
Good to see Kelly back in goal - Kealy has been given a decent run in the league but hasnt done enough to dislodge Kelly as No 1 in my opinion. Darren and Marc on the bench - no sign of Colm yet Why not? I still dont get this idea of Kelly being miles ahead of Kealy. He's been very solid in all the games and can feel hard done by not to keep his place for the weekend
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 22:00:23 GMT
From the main Kerry site
The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Monaghan in Round 6 of the Allianz Football League in Austin Stack Park on Sunday shows three changes in personnel from the side that started against Donegal last time out. Brian Kelly returns from injury between the posts for his first game since the All Ireland final, Shane Enright comes in for Paul Murphy who has a back strain and Alan Fitzgerald comes in for his full League debut at centre forward for Bryan Sheehan who is out with a rib injury.
The substitutes list is notable for the inclusion of 2014 Under 21 player Jack McGuire and the return of both Marc Ó Sé and Darran O’Sullivan following injury.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Mar 26, 2015 22:00:58 GMT
I think that Sheehan will be a huge loss on Sunday. Monaghan will be happy enough to foul away around the 50, knowing we don't really have a free taker to match Bryan. I assume Buckley and Moran will take the frees between them. It will be tough stuff but we should have enough to beat Monaghan.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 22:06:46 GMT
Why not? I still dont get this idea of Kelly being miles ahead of Kealy. He's been very solid in all the games and can feel hard done by not to keep his place for the weekend The bald fact is that Kerry concede less goals with Kelly in goals, which for me is a key factor. Last season was Kelly's first season between the sticks so you would expect there to be a decent possibility of him improving, with first-season nerves out of the way.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 22:07:50 GMT
I think that Sheehan will be a huge loss on Sunday. Monaghan will be happy enough to foul away around the 50, knowing we don't really have a free taker to match Bryan. I assume Buckley and Moran will take the frees between them. It will be tough stuff but we should have enough to beat Monaghan. Spot on. Any Kerry team without a fit Bryan Sheehan is a weaker Kerry team. Sunday could be tight enough in what could be a hugely physical game, unless Monaghan implode but we hadn't seen a lot of supporting evidence from Monaghan's form to suggest this. They have been solid through out this league. A big test for Kerry to rise to the same heights as last day out versus Donegal. It would be disappointing to let a league semi final slot slip on Sunday.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 22:09:29 GMT
Why not? I still dont get this idea of Kelly being miles ahead of Kealy. He's been very solid in all the games and can feel hard done by not to keep his place for the weekend The bald fact is that Kerry concede less goals with Kelly in goals, which for me is a key factor. Last season was Kelly's first season between the sticks so you would expect there to be a decent possibility of him improving, with first-season nerves out of the way. Are there stats to back that claim up?
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 22:12:18 GMT
I think that Sheehan will be a huge loss on Sunday. Monaghan will be happy enough to foul away around the 50, knowing we don't really have a free taker to match Bryan. I assume Buckley and Moran will take the frees between them. It will be tough stuff but we should have enough to beat Monaghan. Do people think that teams are disciplined enough to alter significantly the number of frees they commit around the 50 (so probably midfielders/forwards doing a lot of the tackling), depending on who is the opposition free-taker? Or is the number of frees much more likely to be related to the sort of mood the referee is in that day.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 22:12:53 GMT
The bald fact is that Kerry concede less goals with Kelly in goals, which for me is a key factor. Last season was Kelly's first season between the sticks so you would expect there to be a decent possibility of him improving, with first-season nerves out of the way. Are there stats to back that claim up? Yup - posted them recently
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 22:21:14 GMT
Are there stats to back that claim up? Yup - posted them recently Kealy has had far greater exposure to risk than Kelly. That stat is meaningless currently.
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Post by keane on Mar 26, 2015 22:23:17 GMT
A 1 point per game difference over a 12 game sample size is essentially no difference at all. I haven't seen anything in the 12 games to suggest Kelly is better at shot stopping, high balls or kick outs.
Kelly got away with very little analysis of his high ball capabilities last year because we won tight games. The goal we conceded in the second half of the SF replay was criminal.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 22:29:48 GMT
Yup - posted them recently Kealy has had far greater exposer to risk than Kelly. That stat is meaningless currently. There's also the fact that the defence Kelly has had in front of him has been substantially less experienced than the one Kealy has had.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 22:29:59 GMT
A 1 point per game difference over a 12 game sample size is essentially no difference at all. I haven't seen anything in the 12 games to suggest Kelly is better at shot stopping, high balls or kick outs. Kelly got away with very little analysis of his high ball capabilities last year because we won tight games. The goal we conceded in the second half of the SF replay was criminal. Not to mention the flap at the end of the final!
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 26, 2015 22:31:50 GMT
No word of Michael Geaney, even on the sub bench? Is he injured?
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 22:32:28 GMT
Kealy has had far greater exposer to risk than Kelly. That stat is meaningless currently. There's also the fact that the defence Kelly has had in front of him has been substantially less experienced than the one Kealy has had. You mean like the one Kealy had in Cork a few weeks back?
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 22:43:43 GMT
A 1 point per game difference over a 12 game sample size is essentially no difference at all. I haven't seen anything in the 12 games to suggest Kelly is better at shot stopping, high balls or kick outs. Kelly got away with very little analysis of his high ball capabilities last year because we won tight games. The goal we conceded in the second half of the SF replay was criminal. The notion that the stat is meaningless is very short-sighted one. The data definitely has limitations but the idea that this automatically means it has zero value is well short of the mark. Also it is a 64 game sample size not 12. Another way to look at it is that it is a sample size of 4480 minutes or almost 75 hours of senior intercounty football [only league and championship]. In Kelly's 15 hours of football for Kerry he has conceced a goal every 73 minutes while in Kealy's 60 hours he has conceded one every 83 minutes.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 22:49:54 GMT
There's also the fact that the defence Kelly has had in front of him has been substantially less experienced than the one Kealy has had. You mean like the one Kealy had in Cork a few weeks back? I was talking over the entire 50 games Kealy has played versus the 12 games Kelly has played. When you compare the games and the experience levels of the 2 defences in front of them it is impossible not to conclude the defence Kealy has played with in front of him for those 50 games was substantially more experienced than the one Kelly has had in front of him in his 12 games.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 22:52:57 GMT
You have to factor in exposure times to risk. The risk exposure factor is stacked against Kealy.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 26, 2015 22:54:48 GMT
A 1 point per game difference over a 12 game sample size is essentially no difference at all. I haven't seen anything in the 12 games to suggest Kelly is better at shot stopping, high balls or kick outs. Kelly got away with very little analysis of his high ball capabilities last year because we won tight games. The goal we conceded in the second half of the SF replay was criminal. Not to mention the flap at the end of the final! Truth be told, there is little real evidence that Kelly is a major improvement yet when the pressure is really on! However, i was glad the Kerry management went with a new Kerry goalkeeper last year because it was an area of concern. To his credit, Brendan Kealy has responded really well in this league campaign so far to his demotion last year from the number one spot, looking far more assured than hitherto and ready to really challenge for the position. The challenge is there now for Kelly to really up his game after a year of acclimatisation. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 26, 2015 23:03:23 GMT
You have to factor in exposer times to risk. The risk exposer factor is stacked against Kealy. I don't think it's really that much of a factor given Kelly has played pretty much close to a entire full season of intercounty games, especially given the fact that Kealy's minutes per goal conceded is 83 versus Kelly's is 73 minutes. Basically Kealy has pretty much 4 full seasons (league + championshoip) of time between the posts while Kelly has 1 full season.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2015 23:07:13 GMT
You have to factor in exposer times to risk. The risk exposer factor is stacked against Kealy. I don't think it's really that much of a factor given Kelly has played pretty much close to a entire full season of intercounty games, especially given the fact that Kealy's minutes per goal conceded is 83 versus Kelly's is 73 minutes. Basically Kealy has pretty much 4 full seasons (league + championshoip) of time between the posts while Kelly has 1 full season. That is three times the risk exposure, maybe Kelly got lucky during his 12 month career? If you cross the road less times than your neighbour you have less chance of getting run over.
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 27, 2015 0:27:33 GMT
I don't think it's really that much of a factor given Kelly has played pretty much close to a entire full season of intercounty games, especially given the fact that Kealy's minutes per goal conceded is 83 versus Kelly's is 73 minutes. Basically Kealy has pretty much 4 full seasons (league + championshoip) of time between the posts while Kelly has 1 full season. That is three times the risk exposure, maybe Kelly got lucky during his 12 month career? If you cross the road less times than your neighbour you have less chance of getting run over. You are definitely looking into this goals conceded per minute thing too much. I do believe that Kealy has had much more exposure and that he is likely in that regard to have conceded more on average. I feel that there is very little between them and would not be surprised if either one was selected come championship. However, to say Kealy has not done enough to budge Kelly is a ludicrous claim considering Kealy had a good 2013 campaign and Kelly was fortunate to start ahead of Kealy in the first place.
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