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Post by fivenarow on Mar 19, 2015 10:27:44 GMT
Overall poor performance, no sign of a plan B, lots of training to lose a game like that, couldn't imagine the silence in the dressing room afterwards.. I thought Shane Ryan was good in terms of dominating the air over an imposing peter Kelleher as well as making a brilliant save. However I do feel his kickouts need work, they too often slice high into the air landing on the wing backs. I got from Cormac Coffey exactly what I expected. Great interceptions and pace yet reckless headlessness including kicking the ball anyway aimlessly on numerous occasions, also got caught ball watching for goal Gavin Crowely did alright on Peter Kelleher aerially but got skinned my Micheal Hurley came on. Brian Begley performed admirably against one of Cork's most renowned players, only conceding one point from play. Also blew his man out over the end line with a good shoulder in first half Ronan Murphy was probably the highest collecter of breaks all day but was part of a Kerry half back line that was overrun in first 10 mins Denis Daly struggled, carried the ball into the tackle too much, came up against a physically strong Brian O'Driscol although Cork did rotate their forwards Cathal Long was relatively anonymous throughout the game, not sure whether that is good or bad for a wing back. Barry Sullivan was the best player for Kerry for me. Caught numerous kick outs and controlled the game as much as he could. His use of his body is unreal Jack Barry did alright in midfield, wasn't dominated by his opponent but crucially failed to see Greg Horan early enough for goal chance. Michael Burns had an off night. Failed to really take the game by the scruff of the neck, made a couple of good runs in the first half but his stand out moment was dummy soloing a defender but then shanking the ball off his left I can't comment on Jack Savages red card as I did not see it. Greg Horan didn't attack the game as I felt he would. Involved in one lovely move in second half that led to Brian Crowely's point. That Crowely point was the highlight of a mixed day of Brian. Failed to really get involved and only blocked up full forward line in my view (Management's call) Matthew Flathery struggled. Although he is all heart and effort he struggled to get involved. Was blown out of the way for first goal and was intercepted in crucial counter attack in second half Darragh Roche was causing the Cork backs a good bit of problems. His strength drew frees but never got a real shot at goal. Conor Keane was Kerry's best forward. Those frees in the second half were out of the top drawer considering they were from the wrong side Subs Kevin mcCathy won the few balls he got so couldn't ask any more Eanna Connor got a black card within a minute of coming on Liam Carey lost the one ball he got unfortunately Cathal Murphy wasn't really involved Thats a fair enough assessment. There wasnt a lot in the difference between the two sides, a bit of luck either way would have swung it & Cork finished just that slight bit better & this was after having a dream start so Kerry were well in there if not on top for 45 minutes of the match. Cork were physically a bigger team - as predicted 6 of last years minors starting was just too many, getting pushed or shouldered by a 21 yr old is a lot different than a 17 or 18 yr old, no matter how big you are. Corks subs were more influential than ours, Hurley (Brians brother)& Horgan who scored 2 points caused havoc when they came on whereas none of our subs caused that amount of problems for cork.The number 6 for Cork, White from Clonakilty, was immense also scoring 2 points in the second half & that was probably the difference at the end of the day.We'll never know whether he would have been as influential if Jack Savage had stayed on - thought the black card was harsh by a ref that was fussy on both sides - Enna O Connor's was 100% correct though. Someone needs to tell the current producers of the Kerry jerseys that it impossible to read the numbers especially on a foggy night in Cork under lights - I dont know how they'll fix it but or I'll need to go to specsavers. I think if Kerry had played Limerick last week instead of Cork playing them we'd have won as the game must have improved them but I've always thought that Tipp would win Munster this year & that hasnt changed after last night.I wouldnt be too despondant though as that was a young Kerry team who probably need Jack O Connor & co to bring them to the next level.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 19, 2015 10:38:51 GMT
Hard to see Cork winning this and especially now with Macguire out. Kerry look far more balanced, more strength in depth and better prepared. Could be a long tough night for Cork and I will be surprised if margin is under 6 pts. You must be in massive shock today!
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fivenarow
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Post by fivenarow on Mar 19, 2015 11:03:14 GMT
What was it for, couldn't see it? It was a black card and not a red as you stated above! It was a high tackle although it was only chest height but the defender ducked into it. Not malicious or even cynical just awkward- I wouldn't even think it warranted a yellow Probably deserved a yellow but the Cork fellow made the most of it. Unfortunately for us Conor Keane missed a 21 yrs free in the second half from the right side with his right leg which would have been perfect for Jacks left foot.Nothing against Conor Keane as he kicked two from the same side just before it but it turned out to be a vital miss in a tight game.I though the ref was dodgy for both sides - he may have even favoured us a bit. At the end of the day out of our 1-09,one player scored 1-7 of which 6 points came from frees, one player who was only on for 15 minutes scored a point from a free & another player scored a point from play so in total we got 1-2 from play over 60 minutes. If you compare the scores only 3 pts out of Corks 1-12 came from frees & 6 diferent players scored so there in may be one of the reasons we lost??
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 19, 2015 12:02:30 GMT
Felt sorry for the players tonight to be honest. They tried hard but seemed to have no discernible game plan. I think Darragh needs to step away in fairness. He spent 50 mins watching cork rip through the kerry defence at will and did nothing. We needed to funnell players back. Tactically he was inept. Our forwards apart from Keane were poor. Our only kickout strategy was a big 50/50 down the middle. Would like to see some one like Mike Quirke get go or maybe Tommy Griffin who has been involved with Pobail Scoil for a few years now. Has Mike Quirke ever managed at any significant level....if not then he shouldn't be considered. Quirke has been involved with the underage squads in Kerry for years, He would have worked with a lot of the players in the past. Get him in as a selector at least wit the minors or U21s next year and develop it from there. Darragh was a total punt by the county board and had no coaching experience at all. And lets be honest. It showed over the course of his tenure.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 19, 2015 12:02:51 GMT
Felt sorry for the players tonight to be honest. They tried hard but seemed to have no discernible game plan. I think Darragh needs to step away in fairness. He spent 50 mins watching cork rip through the kerry defence at will and did nothing. We needed to funnell players back. Tactically he was inept. Our forwards apart from Keane were poor. Our only kickout strategy was a big 50/50 down the middle. Would like to see some one like Mike Quirke get go or maybe Tommy Griffin who has been involved with Pobail Scoil for a few years now. Has Mike Quirke ever managed at any significant level....if not then he shouldn't be considered. Quirke has been involved with the underage squads in Kerry for years, He would have worked with a lot of the players in the past. Get him in as a selector at least wit the minors or U21s next year and develop it from there. Darragh was a total punt by the county board and had no coaching experience at all. And lets be honest. It showed over the course of his tenure.
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Post by dashboard10 on Mar 19, 2015 13:22:49 GMT
Like to see someone like John galvin being given some kind of role he would know most of them player's from up along the line and may be able to get the best out of them
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 19, 2015 13:40:35 GMT
Hugely disappointing performance, yet alone result last night. The far better side won and honestly Kerry were flattered by the score line. 1-2 from play in an hour of football is poor, and the goal itself was very lucky.
There can be no argument over either of the black cards.
I thought the movement of the inside line was poor and non-existent at times. With about 5 minutes to go Kerry were 1-10 to 1-09 behind and I think it was Greg Horan, may be mistaken in this, who broke a few tackles, looked up for a run, saw no movement, hesitated and got turned over.
Also I thought Kerry were very negative, not by using swarm tactics or blanket defence, but in their overall style. First thought when awarded a free was to go backwards everytime. The shooting at times was dire.
Overall it was pretty low quality stuff from both sides.
Flaherty was busy in the first half but faded. I thought Burns was doing ok and don't think he should've been removed. Aside from Keane, the forwards offered little. Surely Killian Spillane would've been worth a run in the last 10 minutes?
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Post by aranteorainn on Mar 19, 2015 14:21:24 GMT
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Post by townend on Mar 19, 2015 15:32:18 GMT
Heard Cork were very big. Very physical. as history has show over the last few years when they come to senior them big men are like mice, you would have to wonder what is going on with cork that they have beaten kerry this 5 years but yet come up short after i'd say it will be the same this year if they are to meet the dubs again mind you tipp could win munster
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 19, 2015 16:40:32 GMT
Heard Cork were very big. Very physical. as history has show over the last few years when they come to senior them big men are like mice, you would have to wonder what is going on with cork that they have beaten kerry this 5 years but yet come up short after i'd say it will be the same this year if they are to meet the dubs again mind you tipp could win munster Pretty simple as far as I am concerned - the Cork public and CB don't back the footballers...despite the fact they have been far more successful than the hurlers in the last decade.
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Post by homerj on Mar 19, 2015 19:25:00 GMT
How many of the staring 15 (and panel) are underage again next year?
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Post by dashboard10 on Mar 19, 2015 19:30:17 GMT
Would kerry be losing 6 players from the panel of 24
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Post by Premier on Mar 19, 2015 19:56:44 GMT
How many of the staring 15 (and panel) are underage again next year? 2 Crowely's, Denis Daly, Ronan Murphy, Jack Barry Cathal Murphy, Kevin Mac, Gary Sullivan and Donal Maher are all overage
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 19, 2015 20:12:50 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 19, 2015 20:41:34 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why Pat Driscoll of Ardfert shouldn't get the Kerry u21 job?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 19, 2015 21:05:39 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why Pat Driscoll of Ardfert shouldn't get the Kerry u21 job? Should be a contender- I'd give it to Jack personally but Pat should is a serious option
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Post by homerj on Mar 19, 2015 23:44:50 GMT
How many of the staring 15 (and panel) are underage again next year? 2 Crowely's, Denis Daly, Ronan Murphy, Jack Barry Cathal Murphy, Kevin Mac, Gary Sullivan and Donal Maher are all overage So In other words, 15 players off the panel are underage again next year??
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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 19, 2015 23:48:18 GMT
We need real options not just romantic notions,,, there are many people in the.county that can manage the under 21s,,, let's not jump to emergency options. Experience is is a valuable ingredient so lets not snap at the first hungry beaks,, too much has been lost at this level as a result of dull ears and blind ambition.. Ciarrai Abu
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2015 7:55:51 GMT
Pat Spillane wants to become the next Kerry U-21 football manager after Darragh Ó Sé's departure from the position in the wake of their fifth successive defeat in the grade to Cork.
Spillane (above) says he wants to give something back to Kerry football and feels the now vacant U-21 position is an ideal way to do that.
He acknowledges that he will never manage at senior inter-county level but has expressed strong interest in replacing fellow Kingdom legend Ó Sé.
Ó Sé's Kerry U-21 teams have lost in three successive years to Cork.
"I'd be very interested. I was interested in it last year. I want to give something back," said Spillane, an eight-time All-Ireland winner.
Spillane managed Kenmare to their first Kerry U-21 title in 29 years last year.
Irish Independent
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2015 7:57:30 GMT
Timimg is everything in life. Now is a good time to get this job the minors of 2015 a year older and stronger.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 20, 2015 8:25:32 GMT
It is also very relevant to ask the question, did Darragh have the cutting edge talent in Kerry to win the Munster championship and go further in the competition?
It is important to retain perspective when the culling game kicks in.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 20, 2015 9:31:04 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why Pat Driscoll of Ardfert shouldn't get the Kerry u21 job? Because he wont be able to have 18 fellas on the sideline with him eyeballing the ref! Seriously though, he would be a good choice. He got very unlucky in that Munster Final against Cork in 2010 (Pa Kilkennys early injury and the late goal spring to mind) and maybe a bit of inexperience caught him in the Tipp game the following year. He probably deserves another shot at an inter county team, whether that is at minor or U21.
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Post by playitfair on Mar 20, 2015 17:29:59 GMT
It is also very relevant to ask the question, did Darragh have the cutting edge talent in Kerry to win the Munster championship and go further in the competition? It is important to retain perspective when the culling game kicks in. +1
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Post by whitefire on Mar 20, 2015 18:50:50 GMT
Pat Spillane deserves his chance. Give him 2 years and then get rid of him if the County Board want. How many more ex players have been given the chance ahead of him.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 20, 2015 19:22:36 GMT
Pat Spillane deserves his chance. Give him 2 years and then get rid of him if the County Board want. How many more ex players have been given the chance ahead of him. He cant do worse then the last few years, dont see why he shouldn't be given a chance.
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Post by morningstar on Mar 20, 2015 19:24:50 GMT
Pat Spillane deserves his chance. Give him 2 years and then get rid of him if the County Board want. How many more ex players have been given the chance ahead of him.
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Post by Premier on Mar 20, 2015 21:01:37 GMT
Jack is the only man for me, nearly guarantees success if there can be such a thing
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 20, 2015 22:02:39 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why Pat Driscoll of Ardfert shouldn't get the Kerry u21 job? His tenure in charge of the minors 2010 & 2011 was not exactly great; we were well beaten by Tyrone in 2010 in what I remember was a very poor display; our exit in 2011 in Thurles (admittedly Tipp went on to win the All Ireland) after holding an 11 point lead is best forgotten. This is a big appointment given the talent available and one that cannot be rushed. The nucleus of the team will come from last year's winning minor team and given his record at all levels think Jack O'Connor ticks all boxes.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2015 23:08:07 GMT
If I had my way I would seek out Dara OCinneide and coax him to take this job.
His articles in the examiner displays an innate understanding of the game. Wonderfully written and insightful. He has emotional intelligence and is a natural leader and like EF, someone that people will look up to and want to play for.
EF wrote exceptional articles in 2009 too when he was in Jacks management team and you could clearly see a sharp football brain. Indeed, Jacks articles during 2007 displayed a similar characteristic.
The next u21 manager could well end up replacing EF so its a vital appointment.
Of course, Dara OCinneide may have no interest but I would make the approach if I had it in my gift to do so.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 20, 2015 23:17:31 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why Pat Driscoll of Ardfert shouldn't get the Kerry u21 job? What has he done in the Kerry county championship with a few different teams?
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